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I thought it over. Scum wouldn't claim hated. All that would happen is that they would be policy lynched the day before LyLo as a safety measure. Scum can't make that claim. He's confirmed Town.
In post 35, RhazhBash wrote:I thought it over. Scum wouldn't claim hated. All that would happen is that they would be policy lynched the day before LyLo as a safety measure. Scum can't make that claim. He's confirmed Town.
If scum is hated they pretty much have to claim it or they will get accidentally hammered if they are ever wagoned so I don't really agree with this logic at all. That said, I still think he's town.
Yes but no matter how much they're being Townread, they're just gonna be policy lynched going into LyLo. Not the best plan for scum to guarentee their lynch at that point in the game for not much gain.
In post 39, MURDERCAT wrote:The gain is that they won't be accidentally hammered before lylo... I also don't see why we would be forced to pl if it shuts off after day 3.
Forgot to take this into account. Let me think a bit more.
Mostly just considering every possibility, plus the fact that there isn't really anything else to go off of. If the hated modifier was permanent he'd be confirmed Town in my eyes, and I still think he's Town after that day 3 claim but not 100%.
GG now you tell me. Not sure if Town has enough power to warrant a scum DV. Either way I mainly wanted to see who would jump on that. DV was not on my mind.
I think he could be bluffing considering how he asked someone to hammer when he didn't have to claim DV. I have to get back to work. I'll find out later I guess. If he is a DV the claim is unnecessary since I was hammered no matter what.
In post 85, McMenno wrote:do you think scum!gameplay is above lousy gambits
Scum can make gambits, but they won't do it unless there's some benefit to it. Exactly what could scum gain from making me think I was hammered other than unnecessary attention? Unless you can think of a reason for scum to do that other than pure WIFOM I think you're just needlessly doubtcasting.
He's so obviously claiming Mason it's not even funny. Don't try to act like he would bring up his PT like that unless he knew it would get him out of being wagoned. Murder is off my lynch list for today, since scum wouldn't try to doubtcast someone claiming Mason.
I can say this. If Aristo is Town, then he has someone who can vouch for him. That much I know. I know who that person is, and they shouldn't speak up yet.
Making someone think they're dead can get people to say things that they wouldn't say normally, we know this. It was obvious that the reaction test was poorly executed, but gameplay could just be Town who wanted to make a big play and "confirm" me as scum. Scum though I see no benefit for doing that test since they already would know my alignment. You also have to account for the fact that doing that test may give nothing to Town, but scum are even less likely to pull it because of all the attention it would draw to them, so your point is invalid. Unless you want to bring up some crazy conspiracy theory where me and game are scum or where game is pulling some dumb WIFOM game expecting me to see him as Town for that play there's no possible scenario where he's scum.
In post 216, Dwlee99 wrote:Something not having scum motivation doesnt mean scum wouldnt do it. Like bruh
True, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense for Town to do it than scum. If he's Town it's a play that had good intentions but was executed poorly. If he's scum then it's just a terrible play and he should feel bad.
@Creature if I actually believed I was hammered claiming wouldn't unhammer me. Nobody would claim there because claiming would give no benefit to them and would be a disadvantage if the hammer was actually fake.
I still don't think gameplay is scum, but we would get a lot from him if he were to flip Town. Not opposed to lynching him anymore, I'd just rather lynch TNE.
I feel like he would try to not be this obvious if he were scum. He wouldn't be putting himself in the spotlight like this unless he had something to gain from it if he were scum.
Oh and in response to Dwlee, I said that play would be a bad move for scum, and the game you just linked proves that point. Just because you've done it before doesn't mean game will to.
I'll vote him, but I don't have high hopes for him flipping scum. I mostly just want to see his flip. TNE seems to be coasting on to his wagon without trying to attach himself too hard to it, so I'd expect him to be scum if game were to flip Town.
Considering what was going on when he brought that up it's a Mason claim for sure. He wouldn't say that to get out of a lynch if he were implying he had a neighbor instead. If he actually is lying for some insane reason then it's better to hold off on lynching him until later.
This is good to know. I'm more inclined to believe you over Aristo. Scum wouldn't put themselves in a 1 for 1 trade scenario D1. All that does is help Town. I'm assuming you're mainly scumreading him based off your PT right?
I didn't think he would fake claim Mason like that as scum, because if it was a lie it would be obvious pretty fast and just make his situation worse. Obviously that just happened, and if he flips scum the guy I initially thought was his partner is likely to be scum with him.
Not balanced most likely means PR hell, not a super scumsided game. Having more than 2 scum in a 9p setup is insanely scumsided and nobody who understands what balance is would ever do it.
Looking harder into my inital partner guess it only makes sense for them to be a Mason with Aristo and not scum with Aristo. I don't buy Aristo's wall, and support his lynch.
Haven't looked much into you honestly. You're mostly just on the list because I'm not Townreading you as hard as Dwlee or gameplay. I still think it's either TNE or Ircher as the partner.
Fyi, of the two games Creature's played with me I was Town in one and scum in the other. The one where I was Town I'd discount when looking into my meta because I had just got into Mafia and was aggressive for the sake of being aggressive (Plus I wasn't exactly the best Vigilante either).
