Queen of Hearts [Game Over]

[Seraphim]

VOTE: Ank

Okay, so I've never been this role before so if I am doing it too soon, meh. But I think you are supposed to claim day 1.
I'm a Miller.

VOTE: Vedith

[Seraphim]

I mean, should I have just kept it quiet?

No that was the right play, I just don't believe you.

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Holy shit I'm high why is the text so small?

[Seraphim]

harkonnen and vedith are both obvtown

I disagree. Substantially, actually. Especially about Vedith.

[Seraphim]

harkonnen and vedith are both obvtown

I disagree. Substantially, actually. Especially about Vedith.

Why don't you believe Vedith?

Because Vedith is scum. The post felt in my gut to be a fakeclaim. Also, if it was something that was easy to point e.g. a fabled scumslip, I would have done so. It was part reaction test, part gut, 100% a post to distinguish myself and point out the possibility of Vedith-scum which so far has been a good play given that everyone seems to now want to ignore Vedith.

VOTE: Frootloop

Nice flip flops there, Grapes!

Like my god how does a post like this come from town ever.

[Seraphim]

Also, forgot this:

thenewearth, given Hark's precedent on like one of the first posts of the game, why did you not claim doublevoter?

[Seraphim]

from this point on in the game in Day 1...lets all stop putting town labels on people.

Town post. (Sarcasm for the slower players).

in regards to my previous vote on grapes. Scum tend to try to make friends early day 1. it is human nature to "feel good" about someone who says you are town, even if you dont know you are doing it. I disagree with grapes (and cakez later) that X and X are town. there was very little reason to think that other than "this is how town players are supposed to play in a particular situation". to start (seriously) saying people are obv town this early in the game FOR NO REASON is bullshit. all it does it puts a mark on someone's back. if you are scum, it earns you friends.

I think it's a case that scum fear decent town blocks.
They want everyone to be suspected at all times. I agree that buddying happens, not as much as town calling someone town, but it does. The fact you don't want anyone to be town read/called on day 1 at all is scummy as fuck.

162 is so damn awful, and you are actually using a start date to say how someone should or shouldn't react to a post.
I'm not sure what your interact was overly with Froot, or what the actual point was. Looked to me trying to appear making an effort, when in reality, it was a waste of time.

UNVOTE: Ank
VOTE: curiouskarmadog

"what I was trying to figure out here, is if you really care." - I mean, yeah, okay!

How have we not lynched this yet? Is no one else seeing this? Is it really just me?

[Seraphim]

Hey everyone, sorry for my absense.
I am dealing with some shit at work. Post tonight, for real.

[Seraphim]

Also, forgot this:

thenewearth, given Hark's precedent on like one of the first posts of the game, why did you not claim doublevoter?

A few things in no particular order:

(R) I really am having a difficult time getting into this game. I can't read anyone for shit. Vedith was kind of a lark to wait D1 out because I hate D1 with a burning passion and hell maybe I could get something going and see what happens. I think policy lynching a miller is probably better than most of what happens on D1 and I do honestly think that post from Vedith I quoted was pretty bad; that interaction with CKD was pretty fake even if I agree with him that CKD was ultimately "wrong" in that particular interaction given that meta doesn't exist as a real predictive output of play. I also did not like Vedith's claim but I definitely could not explain to you in words what.

Unvote

(2) I also really hate making cases. Looking thru ISOs and picking out posts is super draining and I had forgotten how much I hated formatting on this site until I started messing with URL and quote tags. Trying to say anything compelling is so difficult since I feel evidence is needed for me to back up my claims rather than making unsubstantiated assertions which is frankly what I feel 80% of this game is. Not this game in particular just the game of Mafia itself. Anyway this is a digression.

($) This is the second time I am asking this: thenewearth, given Hark's precedent on like one of the first posts of the game, why did you not claim doublevoter?

(1234) In terms of lynching and deadline we are currently less than two days away from deadline, and nothing super substantive wagon-wise is showing up.

I am going to back up Spiffeh; I think this is scum DGB.

Vote: DGB

I am fully aware that this is "meta" of a kind but it's one borne of many games played together. I cannot discern a pattern to her postings; I can only assume she's trying to keep a low profile which is only something scum-DGB does. Once again, I am fully aware that this does not come even close to explaining my feelings on the subject. She plays like someone with something to hide, trying to swim on the rotation of the game's flow of wagons and, finding none, moves around to give the impression of activity. the vote on Peregrine is exactly the sort of post I would expect someone like DGB with the scum alignment to do.

[Seraphim]

Also, forgot this:

thenewearth, given Hark's precedent on like one of the first posts of the game, why did you not claim doublevoter?

The wagon you're on also has two people on it? Why are you so sure it won't gain traction and that yours will?

I am unsure how to parse your post except to question my intelligence in whichever case I can only shrug and wait to see what other players think.

[Seraphim]

Yeah UT, there was not supposed to be a quote there, it was supposed to directly follow your post.

But I still don't follow your reasoning; isn't security through obscurity (which I also disagree I am seeking btw) something that scum seek out? Or has site meta changed while I was away?

[Seraphim]

Why don't you think the DGB wagon will gain any traction?

[Seraphim]

So you don't really think Vedith is scum-aligned and you never did?

I think your excuses are fake and scum-aligned.

nope. Read through my post again and stop trying to misconstrue my posting. I'll lay it out one more time; I exaggerated the degree of confidence I had in Vedith-scum, not my read. A read I have since reconsidered, or at least a read that is now dwarfed by other scumreads I have, such as DGB.

Okay, Seraphim please claim in that case...

double no. absolutely not.

"Its gonna show anyways so I don't really care" kind of thing

Did Hark factor into/change that thought process when he claimed right at the beginning of the game?

[Seraphim]

Guys this is the laziest fucking wagon ever. Every single vote sucks. I guess I have to claim now, I get home from work in like 3 hours.

[Seraphim]

Except I was on a five minute break at work on my phone so no I did not have time or the ability to write out a claim as you will see once I've written everything out.

My name is XVIth, my title is Alice Forgotten, and I am a Neighborizer/Neighborhood Vigilante; as my role suggests, I have two abilities.
I have a neighborhood that I can recruit people to. Once folks are in that neighborhood, I can shoot them.
Obviously, I wanted to play a little non-optimally during the day to try and avoid scum NKs/roleblocks, get a player or two in my neighborhood and kill anyone I found scummy. I figured if I took some heat on D1, I could up my game later in the game and do some damage. The Vedith push was part of that plan.
Of course, my ability is now completely useless now that I've claimed; if I did recruit a scum player, I would be blocked/killed the next night, if I'm not killed outright tonight.

This town is really fucking stupid though so I'll probably just get lynched today.

[Seraphim]

I don't see how you can call anyone stupid when your grand plan included things like apparently intentionally acting scummy and pushing someone you didn't really think was scum

I was not "intentionally acting scummy" and I did think Zedith was scum. I was merely exaggerating the amount of confidence I had in the read while not substantiating the read with more reasoning.

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and if you don't think that most of the people voting for me are lazy sheep, then we must be reading completely different games which is entirely possible at this point.

[Seraphim]

Hey muffin you should call me stupid some more. You still haven't laid down a really good quote for my sig.

[Seraphim]

Ah nah, you can be more biting than that. At least I was outed as an idiot on D1 so my "atrocious play" won't jeopardize the town.

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I guess I find the wagon dumb because the people on that wagon have successfully outed the vig and I'm sure the scumteam is having a giggle if they have daytalk and/or will be laughing uproariously tonight at how they found the vig without having to try basically at all. I tried to do some strategic playing and it backfired horribly because as per usual I'm an idiot and really no good at this game.

[Seraphim]

Okay.

Unvote
Vote: The Bulge

[Seraphim]

so yeah

overnight i started actually reading the rules of this game

and when i did, i started thinking about something that struck me as odd

and when i started thinking about that, i started developing a paranoid theory

and now i would like to see what other people think of said paranoid theory

to begin with, let us play a game of "spot the difference"

would someone be so kind as to identify the difference in the following four quotes for me:

There are three

Alice

s in this game. At least one of them is aligned with

Town

.

There are three

Alice

s in this game. At least one of them is aligned with

Town

.

There are three

Alice

s in this game. At least one of them is aligned with

Town

.

There are three

Alice

s in this game.

I'm sorry you're going to have to spell it out for me. I thought everyone knew that Alice-ness was not confirmed town-ness, or at the very least scum have definite fakeclaims because it's a theme game dammit, that's SOP, if that's your point.

If I'm bookie, scumteam is fucked lol.

Vote: DGB

[Seraphim]

So I neighborized Marquis and was successful. Hopefully they will be around to corroborate my claim...I was hoping that would happen before I needed to claim my ability but that's what I get for neighborizing a lurker...

Also

Mod: V/LA for the next week while I'm moving

I will still be around to answer questions and maybe even scum hunt a little.

[Seraphim]

Because I can kill Marquis?

[Seraphim]

I am torn on Iraon. I can't tell if his circular reasoning is driving me nuts or if he's actually scum. Right now, I'm leaning on "nuts" so I'm not super excited to lynch him over someone else. Muffiin is also town, fairly sure.

[Seraphim]

Hey Wingback.

I think there's something very important that you are forgetting.