[Street Fighter Mafia] The Locker Room

[Suzune]

This should be fun Kappy. We can do it!

[Suzune]

Did Kappy not respond?

[Suzune]

I hope I did not just ooze towniness all over a game again...

[Suzune]

It's cool Kappy i will just talk to myself. No worries. I can self monologue nicely...

[Suzune]

It going, that's for sure. We should strategize.

[Suzune]

Listen I either monologue in these topics or I say nothing so we need to keep a conversation going.

[Suzune]

I cannot wait for you to come back. I enjoy having someone to talk to~

[Suzune]

Okay, just want you to know. I highly doubt that neighborizor claim. I mean, how odd would that be to have neighborizors and masons?

[Suzune]

Makes me laugh that we are on everyone s scum list. Oh well, I am just going got keep going. I think heat is mafia though, and that self directed ability totally bizarre.

[Suzune]

I'm so happy we are in the same faction. I need you. We should talk about reads and stuff. I like to pass ideas and to analyze people together. So it would be wonderful if we could be online at the same time to chat

[Suzune]

So far for your slot. You posted like once and everyone is scum reading you. I am being scum read for pushing the lynch on soul, for defending soul, or for being opertunistic with soul. All depends on how to her for some reason. Makes little sense to me, but that is the way it is going.

There is a three person town pt being claimed, which is find suspicious because are masons and it seems like a lot pt are going around. Anti can apparently tell if there are pt.

[Suzune]

The game is just odd now. No one is really talking except the same five people.

[Suzune]

That is very true. Just have to watch the game then.

[Suzune]

Usually I tend to be the opposite right but not reasonable. It works the same as any other method though. I understand the theory and it is easy to do. I am not a very active person though because then I would have to talk just to talk.

I am kind of pretty sure Titus is scum...

I understand the strategy.

[Suzune]

It goes against my code, but meta wise, he attempted to set me up day one. Claimed I posted reads that sheeped the town. But I did not say any reads. Wouldn't pull up what he was reading, told me if I did not like it then I should prove him wrong. Did all that and he never even commented on it after making a huge show of it. Titus does not work to discredit someone and then drop it unless she is scum.

Other then that, I gave a read that did not say that in the game topic too~

[Suzune]

I know is Titus is female....I just have to remember that...

I have been scum with Titus twice. When Titus was scum tried to play me twice too.
Perhaps I am just sensitive.

[Suzune]

Links to what, Titus as scum?

[Suzune]

Sure, hold let me grab them

Okay Titus as mafia:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63656

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64043

[Suzune]

Claim was fine and inevitable given the situation that kappy put you in.

I am still kind of against death, less against heat, fox is starting to ping many warning signs, Cakez is weird l, and ranger is driving me crazy.

[Suzune]

I think if we get to lylo or close then varsoon needs to go. But until then it is a waste of time. I do not personally care that it is an unpopular opinion. Town need not lynxh a survivor therefore, we wait that one out.

As for nos, they are just boring. Nothing much. Eh, probably not scum just lurking town. If I had to compromise on it I would by I think there are bigger fish to fry.

[Suzune]

My gut says ranger is scum. I mean the guy is not doing anything. Locked in his opinions and does not back them in any way. It is driving me crazy....
Cakez was bad going into the night phase

Tell me why everyone is sure he is confirmed town?

[Suzune]

I'm going to draft up a big long post. I dreamed I was writing it so I feel like I owe it to the game to actually write it down. Hopefully I will get to use it.

[Suzune]

Okay, I will drop it here then as soon as I finish it~

Remember not to copy it word for word or you will be breaking a rule.

[Suzune]

What do you mean post a link to it?

Also, since I am going to soapbox this. Who would you like me to rally against. Reads wise.

Personally I would like Ranger and recently despite my opinions on him early game I think Nero is a problem.

[Suzune]

Well I am looking at upwards of 1000 words right now. i am not going to tailor it down, but I might post it in several smaller posts rather then one large one. Thoughts?

[Suzune]

I feel like if we do not make a stand today, we will get lynched.

[Suzune]

For reference if I need it later:

Spoiler:

Okay, so I was having a dream that I was writing this post for this game. I was actually going to hang back and follow our mason strategy of never being too townie so that we were unlikely to get nightkilled, giving us more days as confirmed townies. But honestly, that seems like it will shoot the town in the foot instead of helping at all. Zakk and I need to take command of this game otherwise, I believe, the mafia will run it off track. Now, Nero is going to complain something about how I am fear mongering the town. Perhaps he has a reason to fear that I might do that. But the people that were low yesterday are Zakk, myself and Varsoon. Which means a lynch of any of these three, barring perhaps Varsoon will result in more townie deaths.

But Suzune, you are clearly scum for day one with Soul? I can hear you saying it. Other then the fact that it makes little sense to me this complaint. It looks like my first posts recieved very slip results. You either think I am scum for informing beeboy that Soul was not on to buddy? (This apparently people think this is some kind of soft defense?) I am scum for pushing her slot and voting for her after poking a wear argument? Or I am scum for picking on her because she is a new player. I mean, goodness pick your battle but they are all silly. Otherwise, I am being scum read for having a radiacal opinion about who is and is not scum in this game. However, if everyone fell in line with what the loud voices were saying then we would lose four townies in four days. So two to one half a dozen of the other. Pick your battle. Now clearly, Zakk came in with a disadvantage because my former Mason partner never talked to me and just posted about himself and went on vacation. So yay. However, the scum read was never revaluated after a new player took over the slot meaning people are pushing for easy lynches.

We really need to take the time today to go over where we stand about people and why that is. A quick lynch today is not the answer and another rush lynch like yesterday was terrible. Post in the game, go to work, come home game is over. We should be concerned about that very concerned. We tried to get Titus lynched for three days and were at a standstill. So much so, I thought we would never push the lynch forward on him. It happened. Yay! But, notice the difference of today. All the loud voices fed into the lynch hype. It should have been obvious by the quick speed of the train that it was a poor lynch. We need to not jump hoops like that again.

Since I have the floor and my mason partner gladly admitted he would summarize it on my death, that I might as well talk about reads and why some people should be considered since we are spending too much time trying to lynch the masons.

So let's start with the elephant in the room. Varsoon. Okay, so we have a totally wonky role claim that looks like survivor. So the question became do we lynch him. Honestly, and I will stand by this opinion. No. Waste of time. If it gets late game then clearly that is the obvious choice but wasting town power on this is foolish. It distracts the town from obviously scum hunting. It would be easier to treat him as a miller then a survivor and deal with it later. I am telling you that if we lynch him today we are doing ourselves no favours and we are simply just proving that some people can whine their way into the lynch they want regardless of it even making sense. This game has been full of double negatives. I state that I think the mafia is leading the town and I am accused of fear mongering. Someone else claimed that when it gets to day 6 and Varsoon wins then it will be all our faults. So how come that would not be fear mongering it has the same intention. If town does not do "x" they will lose. Yet not a single person called that out. (Sorry this is one of those little things that burns me like nothing else.)

Okay, moving on, other reads.

We have some kind of amazing theory going on right now that Ranger much be town because we was the opposite dueling wagon. You do realize that it is possible for town to have correctly discovered two scum right. If we go to the he must be townie because of that, we will never stand a chance in this game. All game ranger has done little for this game. He posted many of his littles reads lists. Locks his votes without being open to discussion and does not really back his opinions. It is tough to judge someone who does not allow themselves to be judged. I think this spot is scum and it has been skirting by without posting anything because we are covering for it. This is something that needs to be addressed. Worth a lot of pressure votes if you ask me.
Ok, so let’s talk for a minutes about this do you have a private topic ability. It has been the thorn in my side for a while now. Now, in any ordinary game I assume it would be to avoid having a cop in hopes of finding the scum based on ability. But you have to admit, with three private topics in this game, it seems kind of off does it not? Assuming five scum, threeish people in the neighborhood (Heat would have to confirm this is just a guess), and the Masons. We are looking at an upwards of nine people in private topics or 1/3 the game. With the potential of having more townies in private topics then scum, so let me pose this question. Who does this ability really help? The town, or the scum?

I was going to write more reads, but I got tired of preparing stuff…need some time away from typing this. You will have to wait for them because it is hard to read and quote stuff when the topic is locked…

[Suzune]

Thank you. I was unable to catch up after my trip as much as I wanted so I had things to ponder~

[Suzune]

Okay, so for obvious reasons, I posted my thoughts under the spoiler tag in case you need them.

As far as other scum reads, I think we need to go back and reevaluate those who are loudest in the topic and drive the lynch because I think there in lies our problems.

[Suzune]

Yep, nothing to worry about~

[Suzune]

Honestly, only the scum will read it. Situationally they are the only ones who would care, so I am curious to see what happens.

[Suzune]

Nero might work my last nerve this game. Critical of everything I say by shooting everything down. So annoying.

[Suzune]

What do you think of Dwlee?

[Suzune]

Fair, okay moving there. Tell me to stop if I derail fighting with nero please.

[Suzune]

I think Nero wants to lose the game

[Suzune]

But..I want to read it.
And will lynch him when I get there

[Suzune]

Well goodness, that was a let down...

[Suzune]

Ranger and perhaps thewayitends.

[Suzune]

Dunn I think is scum...I will tell you the truth. Over eager to share so they are not a town power role. Too many vanilla townies claimed...

[Suzune]

The funny thing is that never happens to me, so I think it is interesting. Whatever did I do to get so strongly scum read.

[Suzune]

Thoughts on Dwlee as scum?
I'm thinking it is not Ranger.

[Suzune]

Subject: Street Fighter Mafia [Night 6]

How many lynches do we have until we lose

Personally, I think it would be better if we did not talk like this.

we are flippin a mason before lylo tho

see the post i just made

it makes zero sense to flip one of us before lylo

Well techincally speaking if they have to flip one of us it makes no sense to flip us in lylo because then the town would lose. So it is better to flip us before.

do we wanna mass claim and see what roles make sense in the setup?

You, TWIE, Dunn and Suzune are literally the only ones not claimed. Tho Suzune should be obvious.

Sorry, thought we were popcorning. I am R. Mika the Town Mason. I actually thought my character match up with Zakk was kind of perfect. Although I'm just going by the wikipedia page that I skimmed.

What the fuck is this "flip us before lylo" shit

WE HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT WE ARE TOWN

WE SHOULD NEVER BE IN AGREEANCE WITH ONE OF US NEEDING TO BE LYNCHED

EVER

I swear I wanna freakin strangle you for that post

You sound like fucking scum, trying to pacify town

Ugh

If they have to flip up, better before lylo. In lylo it would suck because the town would lose. Think logically. If it is 3-2 It would be stupid if they flipped us. So if they have to flip one better to do it before lylo so that the town is not jepordized.

[Suzune]

Was this post ever explained?

Subject: Street Fighter Mafia [Night 6]

Oh, and ftr: It IS MB (but I don't know if it's 2 "teams" or one team + 3P).

It suggests that almost has knowledge of a third party role because otherwise there is no reason to suggest that. He did state that

his

win condition mentioned the possibility of a 3rd party.

[Suzune]

I'm not feeling anti for scum. But I will consider all of the pairs
Anti-Ranger (Probably not)
If not really talking about eachother is their scum strategy it is working okay, but it seems kind of contrived.
Anti-Luna (Unlikely)
I feel like this pair is unlikely because of the intereaction between then. Luna was ready to roll Anti a phase ago, I feel like she would not have taken her partner up to the suggestion box because there would be no need to endanger them so.

Anti-Dwlee (Will look for interactions between them. Answer coming in a bit)

Anti-Dunn (Higher odds)
Dunn really goes to bat for Anti sometimes. She defends her to almost everyone in the game. Making this pair slightly more likely because Dunn has strong stood by the opinion of how both Anti should play the game and how people should stop scum reading Anti- As well as the fact that Anti's claim being fake matters less if other people are more suspicious.

Anti-Nos (higher odds)
Nos has never once mentioned Anti all game with the exception of some random time but it will filler stuff. I mean never posted anything about them. I find it hard to imagine we went all game without talking about him. Also Anti has gone all game without talking about Nos. Amazing...seriously amazing.
Anti-Almost

[Suzune]

Personally, I cannot think ranger is town. He is just not focused.
Ranger-Luna (unlikely)
Ranger is aware that Luna fox is leading many of the charges and uses that to make sense of our mason claim as poor. He is also trying to appease her by directly talkint to her. He would not have to spend so much topic time justifying himself to her if they had a private topic. Therefore, they are an unlikely match.

Ranger-Dwlee (Unlikely)
Spends too much time trying to appease Dwlee too. Although I can see that he is spening a lot of time trying to justrify himself to his town reads. Ranger's posting reads as frustrated. Because of this he is attempting to suck up a bit by refuting their arguments.

Ranger-Dunn (Unlikely)
This is too geninue ot a read change and association as the game has gone on between the two of them. It is how two people who are unsure of each other play. Dunn is too curious about how Ranger is reading him to be normal. Dunn usually does not care about such nonsense.

Ranger-Nos (Unlikely)
Rallied for Nos to be lynched most game. Only cleared him when Nos had gotten a clear on not having a private topic.

Ranger-Almost (Unlikely)
Personally I disagree that Almost is town..but that is just me. Ranger is okay with the bizarreness of his claim and how he is playing. Which I find bizarre but I do not sense motive here.

[Suzune]

if we lynch one of us, town will be more likely to go to lylo, and more likely to lose it.

if we never flip one of us, town will be more likely to win.

get your head out of your ass. please.

I think the masons claim is too dangerous to take all the way to lylo. Do not be ridiculus. the town is too in a fray. If it has to happen it will. The Mafia will not nightkill us for that reason. It is a play that might have to be made so not counting is as something that needs to be done. The town needs clarity if it is going to win that Rangers useless rants about us being scum.

[Suzune]

anti-nos is something we should look into

in the meantime i'll look into other possible combinations.

I will keep going as well. I am about halfway through the combinations

[Suzune]

Luna-Dwlee
Luna noticed too that Dwlee was always on the late wagons and was the one in most common considering positions on the wagon. Luna is wishy washy on her read of Dwlee. She goes back and forth makes complaints about then but does not follow up on them or waves off what he says. I think she is trying to stick him with a scum read but cannot find the footing for it.

Luna-Dunn (Possible)
Okay so this one is rather odd pairing. Dunn clearly thinks that Luna is town made obvious by their posting to to them. However, Luna swings a little bit she feel sure that Dunn must be scum twice but both times ends the day with a town read. This is kind of an odd mix. It is the ultimate wave formation of running the entire gambit three days straight.

Luna-Nos (Very unlikey)
Luna thinks Nos is townie, Nos thinks luna is townie. There is nothing damning between them to hammer out that they are anything more then that. Neither makes suggestive or leading comments to the other. Just blah....

Luna-Almost
Luna has been on top of almost about his claim. She keeps saying stop talking to us about and ask the mod. This strikes me as kind of a strange duo. They provide a couple of interesting skits. Something to watch I think because they would be an okay match.

[Suzune]

Unrelated,

-This game literally has to have a third party though. Something else is going on. I refuse to believe this is a one mafia faction game. Something else has to be going on.

[Suzune]

Dwlee-Dunn (Not likely)
Well Dunn has been trying to get Dwlee lynched since day one. She lacks any kind of credibility to push it through so I think it is almost irrelevant that she wants that lynch. As mafia I would not kill Dwlee even if is was town because Dunn is just doing their thing and driving this lynch all over the place. On the other hand Dwlee has just been rolling her off and not giving her any attention which is sort of a smart move all things consider. It is what I would do.

Dwlee-Nos
Not talking to Nos has been kind of a thing all game. Dwlee rarely talks about Nos and instead just spends his relationship time with them complaining about their behaviour. No real pushing just not doing anything.
Dwlee-Almost
Well not talking to people seems to be Dwlee's thing. There is very little discussion back and forth between Almost and Dwlee. Dwlee does little talking to almost ever and instead just kind of skirts around him and make sort of pointed comments about how he is being scum read by Almost. Almost has swung back and forth on Dwlee but does little conversation with him but to tell him that he cannot read him or that he is sheeping him.

[Suzune]

Dunn-Nos (Unlikely)
Nos spends a lot of time worrying about why no one is lynching Dunn. Claiming that they are being suspcious and that no one is scum reading people who were actually scum but are wasting time with people who are scummy. So far Nos has been on point this game despite never talking to anyone.

Dunn-Almost (If they had more in common I would ship it)
Almost feeds Dunns need to theory craft how the game works. No whether Almost believes the stuff he says or not makes me kind of concerned. They would not be a terrible mafia team considering they are both off the wall sometimes and they waste time speculating roles much of early game and mafia factions.

Nos-Almost (Unlikely)
Well Nos catches a rather odd Almost trying to get the jump clear Dunn of being suspicious. But in typical nos fashion does not for any reason follow up on it and just stops talking to almost. Likewise Almost rarely talks to nos. [/quote]

[Suzune]

Strongest Possibilities: in order of likely hood
Anti-Dunn (Team defend the other)
Anti-Dwlee (Team, I do not understand you, let's not talk)
Dwlee-Almost (Team shall we sheep and call each other friendds)
Luna-Almost (Scum theater at it's finest)
Anti-Nos (The ultimate evasion team)

In reality here I think it is going to come down to Dwlee, Anti, and Dunn

[Suzune]

Okay, your turn. Share thoughts so that we can crack this...

[Suzune]

Moving forward schedule:
I know you hate when I saw this just deal for a minute. We need to think about what will best create clarity for the town. We cannot spend another day with the masons on the foreground. If one of us is lynched the other will fall in the night phase that is the reality of it. We either need a good lynch tomorrow. Or we need the town to take out one of us. I know it sounds self-destructive but listen first okay. The town would reap more for information we leave behind instead of listening to the need to rally against us. That becomes a problem and will not help us in catching the mafia because it provides a distraction that hurts the town.

Ideally we are able to drive a successful lynch tomorrow because I have less work to do tomorrow. I have time to hard run something. Therefore, we need to be clear who it is before the phase. You can have me for four more hours and then I have to do something now but I will be back. I would be awesome if we could orchestrate a time to both be online together to discuss this.

[Suzune]

Poke thsi topic when you are ready to go. I am watching.

[Suzune]

I'm cooking fish, so I am watching it with one eye.

[Suzune]

I believe I explained this already. I have heard your opinion on the matter, and I have given mine.

Regardless, I have stated there are two plans that will possibly work. I know you did not want the first one, therefore, we will go with the second.

Thank you.

Fine, deal.

[Suzune]

yes, again, I know what you want. I just wanted to phase what we had to look at here. Neither way is particularly wrong, but one fits your style more.

Sure, you are welcome to join me. I have zucchini too.

[Suzune]

There is no advantage for the mafia to night kill us. That is what works in our favour is that because we are sometimes at odds in the game, it makes the town confused. This keeps the mafia from killing us because we are interesting.

No Zakk I do not live in America

[Suzune]

this sounds very well thought out

and i very much appreciate it

if one of us dies, the other needs to make it known that we came up with this overnight.

this is really important

i'll do my own homework but this is great work Suzune <3

I understand that it needs to be done. I think we will not die, but it is worth mentioning. I felt guilty for not helping you more. So I will really try to pull my weight here. Sorry for the trouble I caused you.

[Suzune]

We you have a moment if you want to discuss those possible mafia combinations we can work on whether they are likely or not. Having the second input is what I enjoy greatly about masons and hydra.

[Suzune]

Here please for a minute.

If I narrow my scum team list
Listen I am looking at three possible scum team pairs.
Anti-Dunn (Team defend the other)
Anti-Dwlee (Team, I do not understand you, let's not talk)
Anti-Nos (The ultimate evasion team)

This honestly puts anti in all three scum teams.

[Suzune]

ZAKKK,

Talk with me. You told me one hour yesterday and did not come back.

[Suzune]

I thought they did not have a strong enough working together.

[Suzune]

On a scale from one to 100 how sure are you of ranger. Personally, as mafia I would leave him if I knew he was going to do the work for us.

[Suzune]

She is so critical of the fact that I always think she is scum...

[Suzune]

my gut is still saying anti but because of the ability

[Suzune]

Well as long as you can live with my weirdness I am sure we will be okay.

[Suzune]

If Dunn flip flops one more time. I might go crazy...

[Suzune]

I am at work and connotnpost right now. But I am telling you I do not think it is ranger

[Suzune]

Give Anti some thought, she is in all three of my scum pairs. All three.

[Suzune]

So what are you thinking?

I'm still thinking Anti-Dunn

[Suzune]

Okay, Dunn I can do.

[Suzune]

I understand. I want to win too!

[Suzune]

You need to settle down a little. Go play another game or something. Posting more and being agressive is not going to help this situation. Listen I am frustrated with you too. I'm voting on the right train but I still want to hear people out sorry that annoys you so much.

[Suzune]

I stopped having fun when I started crying over this game. I can understand.

I will stick it out though because it is so close to the end.

[Suzune]

Zakk I am sorry if I hurt you at all. It was never my intention.

[Suzune]

i'm sorry I was worthless to you and was unable to help you. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry.

[Suzune]

All I want to do is curl up on my bed and cry. But I will try.

[Suzune]

Do you find it odd that Anti-Dunn stop talking at the same time sometimes? Or am I just paranoid.

[Suzune]

Anti is a strong person to talk to. I enjoy it.

[Suzune]

What!

[Suzune]

I want to lynch antihero.

Wow you want to lynch the person I have been wanting to lynch all phase. Amazing. So glad it came it round circle.

[Suzune]

Honestly, all you need is a good game. Once you find one, it relights your spirit. I have been kind of down in games for a while now. But I finally found one that I enjoy.

[Suzune]

If it is that then my inital plan going into today was right.

[Suzune]

Yay it was Anti-hero!!!

[Suzune]

I hope ranger was surprised.