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Post Post #2 (isolation #0) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:18 am

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Spoiler: Pregame
1: Force Special Grasp
2: Reaping Dodge
Finisher: Death Walks
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Post Post #3 (isolation #1) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:58 am

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Questions
1: Does Vengeful nullify Judgement's effects?
2: If Glorious/Vengeance fail due to priority, do Glorious/Drive/Scythe still trigger their Before Activating effects?
3: If I hit with Reaping when you're out of Tokens, do you gain one less token, or do I get my Rush back?
4: Does Retribution change the answer to 3?

My guess would be no/yes/the latter/no, but I don't want to make any faulty assumptions. Everything else seems like it shouldn't cause any problems.

Spoiler: Beat 1
Glorious Drive
Incredibly obvious, but I'll still risk the Counter Drive for the otherwise inescapable 7 damage. I might just run past if you would end up hitting back for a lot though.
Spoiler: Ante
Divine Rush

Also, do I get a Vengeance token when I use Vengeance?
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Post Post #7 (isolation #2) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:31 pm

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Post Post #8 (isolation #3) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:35 pm

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Post Post #11 (isolation #4) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:13 pm

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So, I think my options are to deal 5 and take 10, or to deal 0 and take 6. Advance 1, advance 0.

This will be a quick game.


One PEdit and an hour of being pulled away later...
Me being afraid of you having tokens is going to get me nowhere fast. Maybe I could manipulate it somehow, but I'm assuming that I'll rarely get a chance to stun you anyway, so I'm not going to pass up damage because of that. I was going to Strike, but I didn't because... I thought you would Burst? Either way, I definitely would have spent the extra power had I gone for the strike there. I didn't realize Aegis alone was 8 stun protection until after you had already anted the stun guard from force, if I had then I might have used Strike anyway.

(Note: By quick I mean beat wise, not time wise. I'm still probably going to only want to take one turn at a time mostly.)
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Post Post #12 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:00 am

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Spoiler: Beat 2
Vengeance Burst
Obvious move part 2
Spoiler: Ante
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Post Post #15 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:11 pm

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Post Post #18 (isolation #7) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:14 pm

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Retreat 2
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Post Post #19 (isolation #8) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:15 pm

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Two beats in. Life counts are 10-6.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #9) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:19 pm

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oVoEooo

You advance before you shoot. Aside from that, yeah.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #10) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:38 pm

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Spoiler: Beat 3
Judgement Dodge
Obvious move part 3! Also, Judgement's effect seems completely useless, because if you would prevent someone from switching sides with you, then instead they're at range 1. Where it misses. Maybe preventing a retreat would help, like if you Burst here I can still switch sides with you, but it does not act as Lance/Valiant. On that note, after Hikaru every character I've played has had some way of preventing side switches. I don't think that was on purpose?
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Post Post #25 (isolation #11) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:08 pm

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Post Post #28 (isolation #12) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:15 pm

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Advance 2
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Post Post #30 (isolation #13) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:21 pm

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No you don't. Judgement is working against me here.

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Post Post #33 (isolation #14) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:42 pm

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Spoiler: Beat 4
Reaping Scythe
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Post Post #34 (isolation #15) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:44 pm

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Post Post #36 (isolation #16) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:48 pm

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Post Post #38 (isolation #17) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:50 pm

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Post Post #41 (isolation #18) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:52 pm

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Post Post #42 (isolation #19) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:56 pm

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Ugh, I could have just finishered. I know that's why you were anteing slowly, so you would only be down one Vengeance Token, because I definitively would have Rushed the Finisher, but that still would have been better. I just assumed your only options were Dodge and Burst.
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Post Post #44 (isolation #20) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:59 pm

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Advance then Pull. I do 0, you do 3.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #21) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:59 pm

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No, 4. But you still don't get any buffs from Martial.
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Post Post #48 (isolation #22) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:05 pm

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Post Post #51 (isolation #23) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:21 pm

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Spoiler: Beat 5
Dodging is the only way out of my Finisher. I also happen to have literally nothing that puts me in a favorable position if you dodge. If I had Judgement Grasp, that would be another story entirely, but I don't. Trying to clash with the Dodge would be the only real option, with a rushed either Paladin Shot or Strike, depending on what style you go with, which then gets subbed for Burst. Then you probably clash with that, then I clash with your Strike, then I finally Grasp and stun if you used Chained, or clash with Grasp and follow with Drive if you used Vengeful.

But that's too complicated. There are too many variables, and it's more likely that you expect me to try something and therefore you don't immediately Dodge. I'll guess you will use Vengeful, so if I were going with this I would Strike. And also ante an extra power to get past Shot when I Grasp.

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Post Post #53 (isolation #24) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:39 pm

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Oh, yeah. Rush.
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Post Post #55 (isolation #25) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:41 pm

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Post Post #56 (isolation #26) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:42 pm

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I'm completely wrong.
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Post Post #59 (isolation #27) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:49 pm

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I didn't actually ante that extra power, so I should be at 9 Force.

Also, I have no clue why I rushed there. In hindsight that was stupid, because regardless of what you did, the rush would have been more useful later.
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Post Post #61 (isolation #28) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:56 pm

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:facepalm:

Spoiler: Beat 6
Glorious Drive
Spoiler: Ante
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Post Post #63 (isolation #29) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:00 pm

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Post Post #65 (isolation #30) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:01 pm

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Power, then pass.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #31) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:03 pm

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Advance 2.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #32) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:07 pm

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But if you're not thinking things through, then I actually have a chance to win...

That's fine. See you later.
Spoiler: Beat 7
Vengeance Dodge
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Post Post #70 (isolation #33) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:35 am

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oooEoVo

Vanaah: 2/3
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Eligor: 10/4
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Vengeance Tokens: 0
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Post Post #72 (isolation #34) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:01 pm

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I have no clue why I thought you had ante.

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Post Post #73 (isolation #35) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:06 pm

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Advance 2

oEVoooo

Though I don't actually have enough time to think right now.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #36) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:25 pm

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Spoiler: Beat 8
Paladin Grasp
Spoiler: Ante
Rush
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Post Post #77 (isolation #37) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:10 pm

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Yeah, you dodged. Pass
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Post Post #78 (isolation #38) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:11 pm

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Or not, but you still won. GG for real this time.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #39) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:13 pm

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Was that the first time you used that style the entire match? I didn't even consider that as an option.
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Post Post #81 (isolation #40) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:04 pm

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Maybe I'd think differently if you were playing a ranged attacker, but in practice I don't like Vanaah's tools anywhere near as much as Lixis's, Tanis's or even Hikaru's. This last beat here I only used Paladin because I didn't like any other option, and that was even with me intentionally wasting Vengeance the beat before, since I assumed stunning you was my only chance. Also, I think this is the first time I had a style that was actively working against me all game in Judgement.

...though on twentieth read I realize I probably would have gotten my token back with Reaping even though the token wasn't in a discard pile yet. I was considering Reaping Strike anyway, but I ended up not doing that due to the possibility of Dodge.

I might come back to Vanaah later, because I do like the idea of the Divine Rush token, but for now I kind of want to go back to Lixis.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #41) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:39 pm

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If you really want to make me pick, I'm going to use a dice tag.
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