Micro 640: Perfect Cherry Blossom (Game Over)

[Vedith]

VOTE: Wisdom

Serious vote.

[Vedith]

Wisdom killed the conversation.
More votes here please...

[Vedith]

with "here" you mean you want to be voted?

Scum votes don't work on me.

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am i town?

Yeah.

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Or because Pie is his buddy...

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(Pst, I'm feeling a bit out of the loop: you're not actually claiming mason are you?)

Catch anything good there, buddy?

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Vedith can i hammer you

I already told you, scum have no effect with voting me!

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Also, anyone thinking Edo as town is boosted.

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Then i can hammer you since im not scum

The fact that you're scum, I call your bluff of trying it.

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Scum are Edo and Wisdom, easy game.

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So far he's just been throwing shit and seeing what sticks

Anyway, moving on.
DLA - Go through this. I assume the only post you mean is me claiming you are fishing, correct?

[Vedith]

No, you are wrong.

I'm not going to go through it because:
1. I stated my position clearly, and people seem to agree.
2. I have no reason to go through it with you. You aren't likely to join your own wagon. If others are interested in specifics I can elaborate, but I don't think they will be.
3. I have better things to do with my time.

If you want to refute it, instead tell me why I'm wrong.

I can't say why you're wrong until you actually go through it with me.
1 - I didn't actually see anyone agree with you
2 - Of course you do, if you have a scum read on someone, you should always be able to explain in one way or another.
3 - Okay, what better things are you doing? Because you sure aren't scum hunting.

The only reason I can see you refuse to discuss this is because you have nothing on it. You actually waited for someone else to say they think I'm scum before even bringing it up, that's what I like to call, waiting for an opportunity.
The only reason that my vote isn't going on you instead of Wisdom now is because Wisdom's fake reaction to my lynch. Town Wisdom I feel would have ignored it, instead of looking at how many votes I really had and then "lynching" me.

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What do you mean? Are you saying you think wisdom would have voted you as town at all? Or not gone through the fake lynch and put you L-1 without any drama?

I'm saying he's lazy as town.

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That's not what you're saying.

That's exactly what I'm saying.
If he was town, he wouldn't have voted me as he wouldn't have checked if I was L1 or not. Regardless if he thinks I'm scum or not, he wouldn't be ending the day early as town.

Now, tell me again that this is not what I'm saying.

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So despite voting Wisdom for the entire game, the rationale only came on page 4?

Do you not like my Wisdom vote?

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I'll catch up tomorrow

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DLA I am not a mason with Luna btw just so you can scum hunt normally.

wow, what a shocking turn of events. did not see that coming

VOTE: luna

Oppornist in the making, eh?
Anyone reading Wisdom at town let me know why, thanks.

[Vedith]

Why are you it reacting to my vote, Vedith?

Because you're a shit player and it's NAI when it's from you.

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Aw man, Pirguyn just called me useless in a nice way...
@Edo - My original vote was obviously RVS. However, my opinion that Wisdom is scum is currently the case.

Why do you not comment on 57 though, considering you have concern on me calling Wisdom scum so early?
I give no backing to Pieguyn there and basically, it looks like an easy place to push as scum with others, wouldn't you agree? Doesn't that post in particular ping you like my others are?

And once again, you are basically telling me to scum read DLA instead of Wisdom for their votes, tell me, why is Wisdom so dear to you this game? I mean, if you're not scum, he's done something very town like which you can explain, correct? I can't see any other reason for someone to be so insecure about me pushing there.

While you're at it, explain why DLA is town 76, because your 221 suggests strongly that he's done a scummy thing by following to the Luna vote.

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Like i said in the post after that quote got there by mistake. I had already said luna was feeling scummy

Okay, spoil me, why is that?

[Vedith]

I think Vedith is scum.

Then get your vote back on me, kiddo.

[Vedith]

1. There are no guarantees about any alignments pre-flip
2. There is more than one scum

Both reasons not to tunnel D1

Okay, so tell me, is it only me and Luna that are scum for you?
Think we are scum together?

I don't think Luna is scum btw. Try and sell me if you like.

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Oh yeah, you're now on TNE.
Bravo, your detective skills continue good sir!

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I am Sherlock-to-be.

So talk to me on Wisdom.

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The problem is you haven't given me much to convince me. As far as the fakelynch I think it's an incredibly weak case if any. I think that you could just as easily argue that scum wouldn't want to get involved in something like that. You say he's lazy as town, and that's why the fakelynch doesn't make sense, but this blatantly contradicts all of the rest of the game—Wisdom has been very lazy for the entirety of the day; why isn't that a town tell?

I think you mis understand me, I want

your

opinion on him, not mine. So far you have that he is lazy. Anything else?
But as you mentioned it, yeah I can see him going to be lazy after my comment. Before hand he was putting more effort in. So to me just shows that he's trying to adapt his play.

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*In the above I'm using "active" as the opposite of lazy.

Active isn't the opposite of lazy.
You are going by post count rather than what he's actually saying or saying or doing.

As I said, I garantee that he would not have checked that I was L2, not L1 before voting, and as town he wouldn't be ending the day early.
That is what I consider, not lazy.

The posting after wards is very lazy. No effort at all.

So explain your counter on him again.

I'll also ask again, what's your read on him? Stop dodging the question.

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Yes, that's why I posted the additional post. I'm defining active as the opposite of lazy though I realize I used the wrong word. Maybe productive is better. So replace all the instances of active with productive and that's what I mean. If you are truly arguing that he was more productive before post 90ish than after the you are truly delusional.

My read of wisdom is null to weak town

How the fuck is he productive?
Okay, so why weak town?

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I'm not saying he's productive. You're the one saying that. I think he's been consistently lazy.
Weak because of lack of information, town because he seems reasonable and nothing yells scum. Why are you pushing this so hard?

Okay, so in your eyes, he's done nothing and he's a weak town read because he hasn't done anything scummy?
I mean, you can understand why I think you're shit, right?

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She feels more quiet and engaged than usual
And i can see her rolling with the fake mason thing as scum
Its not a strong read but its there

Wouldn't that suggest Beeboy as scum too?

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I'm kinda down to lynch Wisdom too, but I feel like he's gonna actually start participating once we weed out the real lurkers

You mean when there's been enough mis lynches?

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Also im not sure what you think happened with my "hammer" so lets make it clear;

I never checked what L- you were at, i took zmuffin's word that you were at L-1. And given you dared me to hammer you and called me bluffing and shit i had no qualms hammering you; i didnt care what alignment you were

Bullshit.

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@Edo - My original vote was obviously RVS. However, my opinion that Wisdom is scum is currently the case.

I understand that. Was your "not lazy" scumread RVS? -

My original vote was yes, my opinion on him being less lazy than town Wisdom, no.

Why do you not comment on 57 though, considering you have concern on me calling Wisdom scum so early?

I have no problem with that post. I also don't have a concern with you calling Wisdom scum early in the game. It was your reasoning. -

And yet you have no issue with me having 0 reason for Pieguyn?

I give no backing to Pieguyn there and basically, it looks like an easy place to push as scum with others, wouldn't you agree?

Doesn't that post in particular ping you like my others are?

I'm having trouble understanding this sentence. Can you restate it please? -

I had no reason to imply Pieguyn was scum, and at that stage, Pieguyn would have been an easier push, why does this not concern you but my push on Wisdom does, that makes no sense.

And once again, you are basically telling me to scum read DLA instead of Wisdom for their votes, tell me, why is Wisdom so dear to you this game? I mean, if you're not scum, he's done something very town like which you can explain, correct? I can't see any other reason for someone to be so insecure about me pushing there.

I'm not saying I think he's town. I think he's null. I'm saying your read on him is poorly formed. -

My read on him is he's shit. That's what I get from him in general. How is that poorly formed?

While you're at it, explain why DLA is town 76, because your 221 suggests strongly that he's done a scummy thing by following to the Luna vote.

Just because I have no opinion on Luna doesn't mean there can be town intentions for voting her. DLA's vote appeared to be because of 193. While I personally doing care about the lolmasons, others can push that lead.
As for post 76, it was a combination of DLA being confident enough to agree with me and I also liked his reasoning for voting Pie. -

I'm not sure if you are now saying you liked his play enough to put him as town, or if he's still null? This response gives me mixed feelings.

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Just to be clear that's L-1

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VOTE: edos

Now this is interesting!

[Vedith]

Hi Vedith, got anything to say about 308?

@Wiz
c'mon man, what gives?

I didn't see a question.
Is there anything in particular you wanted me to comment on?

[Vedith]

Not really I guess. We had a dialogue going, so I was expecting a response.

I mean, you think I'm scum, that's cute. I'll leave you with it.
I'd prefer convince you why Wisdom is scum rather than convince you why I'm town, as it stands I have nothing else to add with what I've already said.

Once I do get something though, I'll be sure to tell you.

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Vedith's just chillin on his Wisdom vote like a cheeky little bastard

Would you prefer my vote on you?
As it stands I'm happy where I'm voting.

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It just seems like you're waiting around for others to do stuff. Weren't you gonna try convincing me Wisdom was scum or something? (Besides that "lazy/not lazy" argument)

When there's more to give on him sure I'll put it forward.
As it stands you know my view on it. If you think this is his town play, then

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is the "lazy" thing really the only reason you're calling him scum?

It's more of his reaction to it, but yeah, lets go with that.

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Scum fruit vendor? Really?

It's pretty plausible. Although I doubt Edosurist would have made such a deal out of it as scum.

VOTE: Luna

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Although I doubt Edosurist would have made such a deal out of it as scum

the only reason edo is still alive today is BECAUSE he made a big deal out of it

he basically scum-claimed in response to the desperado thing and to cover it up he claimed some role that was both confirmable and town to live through the day

Plausible.
I mean, Wisdom was suspecting him. But then Wisdom was suspecting a few people.
Claiming fruit vendor as scum seems a bit too risky imo though.

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Now who for the love of Christ shoots DarkLightA? Bus Driver? Redirector? Because I can't fucking think of a sane reason that's who the scum shoots.

Why?
Who looked impressive town to you yesterday?

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Well clearly I wasn't being impressive town. I was pushing to lynch Edosurist and Muffin, and here I am alive.. Of course I replaced in with about 24 hours left and even with the extension I asked the mod for it wasn't exactly a bundle of time. Plus, distractions.

Wasn't my question.
You think the DarkLight kill was bad. So who do you think would have been a better kill? Yourself isn't an acceptable answer.

I can't say that you've particularly done anything productive at all.

Lucky I'm not here to please you, I guess?

So Vedith, wanna chat with me now that I don't feel a crunch?

Sure, would what you like to chat about?
Or were the other points all you had?

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Now I normally take asshole as a town tell, but that only goes so far. There's an implied question there Vedith. Answer it.

As an ashole I can't see your implied question.
Spell it out and I'll give you a friendly response

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You claimed Luna was town day 1. Straight up town. Not even hesitation.
You have a naked vote on her. This attracts interest.

Fill in the blanks for me? How do you get from point A to point B? And don't use the logic "that's what Wisdom thinks", you thought Wisdom's play was so bad yesterday that he was your sole scum suspect to the exclusion of all other activity. If he was spending that time posting good posts and making good logical points that you like then lucy, you got some 'splainin to do

Gut :giggles:

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Now it could also be Pie. But holy fuck man that Luna vote is straight outta nowhere

If Edo is scum, Pie is 100% cleared.

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Vote: Vedith

You really have no idea how happy I'd be to lynch you for being a troll. If you are town then make a fucking effort. You hard pushed Wisdom all of yesterday. You got what you wanted. So we have a good barometer of your "gut" already.

Lucky I'm not here to please you, I guess?

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Hey guys, show of hands, who has Vedith as strong town?

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{Pieguyn, Luna Fox, Muffin} are the ones I am worried about.

Then vote Luna
I don't think Pieguyn is scum.

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Yes, muffin is dead on. Announce your target. Muffin is okay with you shooting him and so am I. I am so supremely okay with muffin being shot you have no idea.

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Probably Luna and 1 of Grey or Muffin.
I'm not taking their back and forth as sexual tension.

Edo vote with me!

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beeboy shouldn't be shooting anyone on a town flip

Agreed.

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Prod received.
Dont have anything else to add.

Scum giving up.

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Then call it a gutnado.

I see you and muffin more than Vedith and anyone else.

Pie isn't scum.
Muffin could be I guess, but you're more than likely scum here.

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I'll post tonight

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I'll post tonight

JUST RUKKING CLAIM

Didn't everyone else claim?
I'm not claiming if not but I'm not voting Pie today with what I know.

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Ah fuck it.
I've got a lot on as on holiday but I jailed Pie both nights.
I'm going with not scum from my read as well.

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MathBlade and GreyICE are where I'm at as scum.

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Depends who's lynched. Lynch MathBlade and I'll do it to GreyICE.

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Lynch Vedith she is conf scum.

Funny that you call me confirmed scum after I say we should lynch you.
Can't remember if I voted you but just encase.

VOTE: math