Mini Normal 1827 - No Flavor Mafia (Game Over)

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Hiya everyone

VOTE: xyzzy, first on the player list, first poster? Something's up there

Ninja'd: hey creature

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Yeah if the scum team are any good daytalk is more powerful than a PR so we probably have a few

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Eh normally it devides town into 3 camps based on how people feel about it, so may not be the best plan for you. Those 3 camps being

Town - They appreciate my honesty and openness about it and think me townie for it.
NAI / WIFOM - they see the post for what it is and keep me as null though tend to also bare it in mind for later
Scum - They think I'm bullshitting and making up excuses for scummy behaviour and generally always think I'm kinda scummy.

Least thats my experience. Don't help that i also get defensive under pressure.

Eh it's good that you're honest, but in other games I've seen town scumread people for confessing poor play pretty much every time it happens

Its hardly a tell I would trust, anyway

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Heh, I get read doubt too, mostly because my reads are often terrible

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Pretty sure that, considering we were discussing how scum had daytalk, no one's going to think it's a scum slip. ...

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Hmm jordarrian and naomi are null-scum leaning but it's too early to pin them down, naomi more for the subtle white knighting and buddying than for 48. Would say the same of vedith but I know from experience he's a scummy scumbag even as town but IGMEOY

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Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

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VOTE: Creature

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Did this thread breed while I was asleep or something

ATM readslist:

Town - KTS, Naomi, Transcend, Xyzzy,

maybe

Io, Pistachi0n
Scum - Creature, vedith
Dunno - jordarrian, blackstar

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Gonna try and post in more detail soon but I'm super tired rn

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@ Transcend why is xyzzy scum (other than 'posts don't seem genuine') because I just don't see it

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VOTE: Light
That post I mentioned earlier just doesn't quite sit right with me.

Which post do you mean here? Because if it's 140 that was literally me saying I townread the three of KTS Naomi and Transcend based on the previous conversation?

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Like that suggests you think I should be scumreading one of them, which in turn suggests you have information we as town don't have

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I think the area your talking about is not really a good area it was barely out of RVS and seems totally irrelevant to the current environment. I think thats where we differ as I see that as just an innocent comment and not scummy and the creature train didn't exist when they voted them.

Io's reaction to 140 doesn't look at all innocent to me?

How does one construe "Yh you guys are all town" with "I can't get any scum reads", especially as I said who I thought might be scum in that exact post?

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Some creature analysis:

The first point is when he accuses Naomi of white knighting (which sufficiently confused me into think she had done so ). Reading back whilst there was little point in Naomi bringing up the point (50) for which she was accused of it I don't understand why creature felt the need to call her out on it other than that at the time she looked a little suspicious (at least to me) and he could've been laying groundwork for a scum read of Naomi (considering as scum he would have already known her to be innocent)

141 was basically an early pressure vote, see how creature reacts.

143 - Creature reacts with... wifom? At least that's what that argument looks like to me

150, 153 - This reads like 'I can't be scum I was awkward' which feels weird because at least to me the start of games are a bit awkward as both alignments. Scum want to look less awkward but so do town. Not sure if this counts as IIoA

181 why include yourself in your own readslist? Not scummy but definitely odd

210 why quicklynch people who are MIA before they get the chance to post? Denies town of information that they would get from, you know, not quicklynching? Feels like scum 'I know they're town and will be easy lynchees'

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Blackstar us just obvious scum.

How so, vedith? I mean he's not exactly towny but there's scummier looking people including yourself imo

Also why are you so interested in transcend not scum reading him?

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@Vedith - I gave reasons for my read on creature in 448, perhaps you'd like to look there? Funnily enough you haven't actually told us why you scum read blackstar so hard, please do explain that

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Nah Vedith, I've seen you as town, and this doesn't strike me as town vedith. The fact you've been ill doesn't cut it, last time I played with you there was clear town motivation in the madness. Can't see any now. VOTE: Vedith, rn I think you + creature as scum makes some sense.

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What you're doing is more than tunnelling, you've given us no case on Blackstar whatsover. I can see a minor case for Blackstar being scum based on his ISO but not based on your posts about him

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Can't quote directly from still active games but open 650

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Can't quote directly from still active games but open 650

EBWOP: Open 651

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Hi I'm not dead

Reads:

{Naomi, Transcend}
{Xyzzy}
{KTS}
{Skelda, massive, Io}
{blackstar}
{Vedith, creature}

Still gotta ISO the new people

@Mod - I though I'd changed my vote to vedith in 495

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I think it's wrong because I got a town role PM

In all seriousness though, I only just skimmed through the thread now and need to go over everything more closely. Seraphim has a decent though misguided case on me

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Awesome job transcend

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Though really I'm surprised at how fragmented that Mafia was. It felt like your goal was to act as 3 separate Serial Killers. You had Light bussing Verdith, Verdith bussing Trans, and Trans bussing Light. All of which were on day 1. I just felt like that should not have happened since you guys had day chat. The closest you guys had ever come to co-operating was Light and Trans teaming up to push early Creature which was still in RVS really.

It worked didn't it