Mini 1821 Badass Women U-Pick Mafia - game over

[kraska77]

Hey everyone
VOTE: ari ♡

[kraska77]

I don't get the exchange between pie and lambda :/ :/

[kraska77]

Wait

Vote: Kraska77

WHO IS THIS INSECT AND WHY DOES IT HAVE THE AUDACITY TO VOTE ME

[kraska77]

Also this is my first upick so i only have about 30% idea what's going on :3

[kraska77]

Ugh this game so much.

Eh... o.o
This feels disingenuous^
Like
Game just began

Yume could potentially be town due to the claim, but leaving it on the back burner for now until I can get an actual read first.

That's a given

[kraska77]

Umm actually I dislike the cryptic stuff on page one because it seems flavour-based
And like
That stuff can be misleading
Dunno about others but my character/flavour doesn't say much about my role

[kraska77]

And hiiii beeboy
Sup

[kraska77]

FTR, what me and LLD did had nothing to do with our roles (or at least I didn't and I'm mostly sure LLD didn't either). I don't really know why everyone is getting that impression.

Okay then >.>

[kraska77]

Beeboy: *breathes*
Nahdia: FOUND THE SCUM GG

explain

[kraska77]

Okay then >.>

here's a question: if you thought me/LLD's exchange on page 1 was based around our flavor (it was), why do you even think it's alignment relevant?

Me no think it's alignment relevant!!!!
Me was semi replying to yumi who was saying "why u berate me and gives leeway to LLD and pie!!"
Me come to point out that they're not even similar situations bc ur talk was (me thought) flavour based. That's why me say me dislike bc, like ure saying, it's not alignment indicative

[kraska77]

Why u no read my post
Me was clear abt what me was saying

[kraska77]

^That was @pie
But also @yumi bc she insists the level of her claim is the same as the LLD and pie talk when it's clearly not

[kraska77]

Oh okay o.o
Thanks for clearing that up
I misunderstood that for a semi hard claim, i think ma la did too

[kraska77]

Yeah that's not what I misunderstood
In that case, @pie why do you think Yume doing what she did was "incredibly dumb"

[kraska77]

Eh you're kinda exaggerating with the "raising hell" part
She got a little defensive
I don't see why you were quick to label her as town for a little defensiveness
her reaction can be easily faked

[kraska77]

Oh my last post was directed at pie
Just pointing out that there are better reasons to townread you if she wants to but claiming your reaction to mala is towny is a meeeeh reason

[kraska77]

I thought u were talking to me -_-

[kraska77]

This game so far: more misunderstandings than between a couple in a shout manga

[kraska77]

Shoujo*

[kraska77]

What even is a light novel

[kraska77]

Also i wasn't being snarky if that's how u understood it :s like i was referring to myself too

[kraska77]

Eh you're kinda exaggerating with the "raising hell" part
She got a little defensive
I don't see why you were quick to label her as town for a little defensiveness
her reaction can be easily faked

1. I have seen a game where Yume has done basically this exact thing as town, though I can't link it for alt-related reasons.
2. the reaction read to me as coming from a POV of "claiming ascetic first post is the correct theory play and if you have an issue with it take it up with everyone else who did it ever", not "I think I should be allowed to get away with this because someone else did it". that isn't "a little defensive", that's her making what she thought was a correct play and flipping out because she didn't understand why she was called out for doing it; it would not have been necessary for her to focus on it as much as she did as scum.

I don't have the slightest clue why you're attempting to nitpick over this, and I would like to know what your "better reasons" for town reading Yume are (if it's just due to her claim, then lol).

I'm not nitpicking o.o

As for what I think are better reasons, you already answered that yourself: (the stuff about claiming ascetic quickly being the correct play). Note that i didn't townread her for it, just saying that this is atleast a more decent reason than town reading her from a reaction that can be easily faked. Like for shit if you think town reading her for the claim is lol worthy then the subsequent stuff you wrote about her reaction to being called out on it being towny doesn't even follow -__-

Im getting bored of this, let's talk about sth else

[kraska77]

Eh you're kinda exaggerating with the "raising hell" part
She got a little defensive
I don't see why you were quick to label her as town for a little defensiveness
her reaction can be easily faked

1. I have seen a game where Yume has done basically this exact thing as town, though I can't link it for alt-related reasons.
2. the reaction read to me as coming from a POV of "claiming ascetic first post is the correct theory play and if you have an issue with it take it up with everyone else who did it ever", not "I think I should be allowed to get away with this because someone else did it". that isn't "a little defensive", that's her making what she thought was a correct play and flipping out because she didn't understand why she was called out for doing it; it would not have been necessary for her to focus on it as much as she did as scum.

I don't have the slightest clue why you're attempting to nitpick over this, and I would like to know what your "better reasons" for town reading Yume are (if it's just due to her claim, then lol).

I'm not nitpicking o.o

As for what I think are better reasons, you already answered that yourself: (the stuff about claiming ascetic quickly being the correct play). Note that i didn't townread her for it, just saying that this is atleast a more decent reason than town reading her from a reaction that can be easily faked. Like for shit if you think town reading her for the claim is lol worthy then the subsequent stuff you wrote about her reaction to being called out on it being towny doesn't even follow -__-

Im getting bored of this, let's talk about sth else

Oh god what is this
Uhh just a fair warning: i can't english(not a native tongue) and have no idea where commas are supposed to go most of the time...reading my posts is painful even to me

[kraska77]

As your SoS Brigade leader, I am hereby ordering a lynch on Kraska!

I will cast abominable filth upon you, and make you vile, and will set you as a gazingstock

[kraska77]

No but like you two should do a thing first and then talk >.>

[kraska77]

So you're scum?

Yeah?

[kraska77]

^Lol if you're town just prod dodge from now on pls

[kraska77]

Don't want you to listen to me. Keep the vote and everything but just like prod dodge from now on bc you suck at mafia scum

[kraska77]

You're scumreading me because I unintentionally interrupted your talk with pie
Lol
Pls

[kraska77]

Because I think she's town

[kraska77]

I get a feel of players through interactions, so far she seems town to me

[kraska77]

Also same for mala. Her entrance was bad but in an unfiltered way.
Nahdia posting has been icky so far
Pirate mollies posting seems kinda awkward

[kraska77]

Mollies prob scum, post more content please
Why did you want to vote me

[kraska77]

Eh it has nothing to do with me being the person she wants to lynch

[kraska77]

Lambda's is being really vocal about it eventhough she hasn't provided a reason for voting me, not to mention not providing any content herself. Obviously dumb thing to do if shes scum as shes attractinh negative attention to herself. She's town.

Mollie's approach is different and her entrance rubbed me the wrong way, seems fake
Heh might as well
VOTE: mollie

[kraska77]

Oh not just that one but also the post where you talk to nahdia
Idk both posts felt really offbeat from the surrounding context, like you wanted to engage with others but didnt know how to do it. and it's like you're just waiting for something to happen so you can chime in and do something(which you did. as soon a few people expressed some suspicion of me, you immediately chimed in)

[kraska77]

So yeah can you provide some content?
Why did you want to vote me?

[kraska77]

@nahdia That's why your posting feels a bit icky, but atleast you're not being opportunistic like mollie is.

Her post is supposed to insinuate im scummy, but im pretty sure she can't back up her intent to vote even though I've posted a decent amount so far

Pedit: see?

[kraska77]

@skybird ofcourse not

[kraska77]

@skybird ofcourse not

So then you will agree just because someone has posted a lot it doesn't necessarily mean they have a lot of content?

Yep!

[kraska77]

Did you get the idea i think so because I said mollie won't be able to back up her intent to vote me even though I posted a decent amount?

[kraska77]

@pie
it's just a matter of differing styles then.
i dont really get fazed by pushes from others, so no it's not appeasement when i ignore people pushing me. yume's vote annoyed me a little tho because her reason for scumreading me was so dumb.
the way i approach games is try to get a feel of players and then as soon as someone pinges me scum, i start focusing on them. lld has done things i deem dumb for scum to do, especially at the beginning of the game when scum try to establish a more solid impression. she is town for me now so i dont care why she's pushing me. rather than engage in pointless exchange with those pushing me, im more interested in pushing those i find scummy. youre right tho about yume, i guess that looks a bit hypocritical on my part. but i can explain that too. the initial defensiveness yume showed, on it's own, i thought could be fakeable. but then the longer the yume episode went on, the more posts and reactions i found towny from her so i ended up reading her as town. it was gradual

[kraska77]

tl;dr im town so anyone pushing me is wrong about their push. and by sorting people i find scummy and proving theyre scum, i'll also ultimately clear myself and herpderp i need to sleep

[kraska77]

i agree on skybird

[kraska77]

and tth needs to show up

[kraska77]

im not confident on skybird either but her posts o last page are really weird filler contribution

[kraska77]

Pie im sorry but that's too many words I can't be bothered to read
I feel like I explained everything so dunno where u getting all these words from

[kraska77]

i really hate explaining gut reads and posting walls of text and like I've already done a good share of that
U guys are overworking me this game >:(
And I'm a really lazy person so I'm going to step back because im slowly losing interest if this turns into a choke on this wall of text war

[kraska77]

Where did I even flail >:( ?

[kraska77]

I'm usually a low volume poster but was extremely bored yesterday
/Stepping back until something noteworthy happens

[kraska77]

One last post bc pie keeps bringing this up

(her 24 and 112)

Those two posts were clearly shitposting. Motivation behind them is shitposting
When i get extra disengaged, i do spoopy red letters in archaic third person too :3
You're not factoring complexity of other people's personalities into your analyses, you're just using yourself as a benchmark to compare me against and that's a fucking linear way of thinking. And you're getting more and more ridiculously detailed about outlining thought processes i never even had. The problem with this is i can't even argue with it or defend myself against because your premises are false

[kraska77]

Guys i can't sleep ure stuck with me
Ari is scum i think

[kraska77]

Someone (Pie?) asked me for reads.

I have very few atm, but I like Beeboy for town and Kraska may be scum, though that's a far more nullscum read than I like to admit.

I should have more, but Imma have to reread to get it. So far nothing has jumped out at me either way, sadly.

^playing safe
I think ari should have have more to say at this stage? Lots of things happened

[kraska77]

Who's the other ascetic?

[kraska77]

Didn't beeboy say he's a double voter? I need some hand holding here >.>

[kraska77]

Hey don't be mean to me this is my 5th mafia game ever i thought that post by him was a joke

[kraska77]

Bc of the loved/hated part.. And I never saw someone change roles everyday before

[kraska77]

"I've posted a lot so I'm obviously town"

That's a weird way to interpret it. Clearly I just meant that she should find it easier to point out scummy posts by me because I did provide content. But knew she won't be able to come up with something because I've done nothing scummy and addressed all questions people had for me(Pie's later questions to me don't count because she's in tunnel mode at this point and reading something into nothing).
As opposed to how difficult i found it to explain why I found her scummy.
Anyway I'm not buying this

because I already listed LLD and mala as town

VOTE: skybird

[kraska77]

Skybird explain how you it would follow i think quantity=towniness when 2 people in my town pool have posted even less than mollie

[kraska77]

I have Pieguyn and Beeboy as strong town.

Not liking Kraska right now. The game is not that long and she's asking about things that should be easy to find out like who else claimed ascetic. Also some AtE in post 290.

I'm new to forum mafia. Loved/hated don't even remotely sound like roles
Also @AtE

[kraska77]

how the fuck do people read this as town?

Are we reading the same game?
Literally everyone said "eh i dont like kraska for town"

[kraska77]

You do realise AtE is not a term exclusive to forum mafia right?

[kraska77]

the angle on Skybird is similarly horrible.

Biggest proof you are currently in tunnel vision is you think the question I posed for her is horrible when it's a perfectly sensible thing to ask
I placed LLD and mala as town in the same posts I said mollie is scummy, she could not have missed it and her questions at me are dumb and filler

[kraska77]

Pie
Can u like
Listen to me for 2 minutes
I cannot possibly think quantity of my posts make me townier, when 2 people I have as town have barely posted
Like
Can you see what I'm saying

[kraska77]

Pie is gone to the other side there's no saving her
I would say reread the whole me+mollie+Skybird interaction to see why youre like just making this up as it goes...but you're probably having a picnic with lambda and Yume right nwo

[kraska77]

I don't even have to play forum mafia to know what appeal to emotion is
I actually feel embarrassed for lambda rn lmao

[kraska77]

Also beegirl is lean scum for town reading ari for no reason >.>

[kraska77]

I think something about the way he's playing the game so far feels off
He's giving freebie townreads easily and retracting them easily
From the two other games I played with him, his townreads felt more solid there

[kraska77]

Uhh, and how's that different from what i do with my townhunting? ^_^;;

It's not in this game
But in other games your town hunting styles were different

[kraska77]

It's not different*

[kraska77]

Eh...i didn't think about it this way
I mean I wasn't even comparing him to you
But maybe he is? Don't know
Anyway based on your play in summer waltz and in other games, you both do townhunting but your style is more unfiltered stream of consciousness and your reads are a bit volatile. You're usually spot on but it gets you in trouble with people who demand less intuitive more concrete reads
Beeboy on the other hand always declares someone a townread after they post clearly town motivated posts...so his reads are a bit more concrete and less volatile than yours
Here he reevaluated a townread on me after reading pies post, which is fine. But then quickly declares ari who should be null at best and tth who's posting so far has been null as solid townreads when there's no reason to think them so

[kraska77]

^@luna

[kraska77]

I was following it until 3 pairs filled i think

[kraska77]

wow so much happened
nahdia why </3

[kraska77]

pie this is getting annoying
you know what my post meant and what skybird's post on my post meant
so stop inventing shit reasons for why i meant something else and how skybird's push on me is warranted

[kraska77]

also does anyone voting me actually have a legit reason to do so?

[kraska77]

also why do u guys skip my posts :/
i didnt read summer waltz for luna
i was following it when it ongoing for a while...i already said so :/

lynch skybird pls

[kraska77]

town:
lambda
pie
yume
mala
nahdia
foxbird
luna

null:
tth
beegirl

scum:
mollie
skybird
ari

[kraska77]

I did a quick reread but there's lots of people in this game I have difficulty getting reads on.
Agreed on bee's role being town. Don't see a reason to not believe Luna town (unless she fails to confirm her role, but claiming something like that without being able to do it seems really stupid). Pie and TTH seem fine.

this ^ and the next post where she says her role is confirmable
catchup post felt genuine unlike ari's


and mala has a bad entrance, but it was unfiltered bad not posture-y/tryhard bad

they're weaker townreads fwiw

[kraska77]

ack this is difficult to explain
she claimed confirmable role right after, it felt like the motivation behind doing that was to obfuscate nk pool

[kraska77]

role that can be confirmed during the day?

[kraska77]

i see where you are going with this
i just feel the motivation behind her post was genuine >.>

[kraska77]

heh i might sig that :p

[kraska77]

i know it's not meant to be flattering lmao what do you take me for
it does summarize my playstyle and the kind of conflict i often run into here...which is similar to the kind of conflict luna runs into

like i said i see where youre coming from, but i also trust my ability to read people, and in this situation i think fox is town

[kraska77]

sorry guys
i assure you it's not anything any of you did
im just hypersensitive to some things
and i feel people find me a source of annoyance this game
i cant have fun playing once i start having these shenanigans...

@mod please replace me...really sorry for the inconvenience

[kraska77]

i was so bad this game
gg all

[kraska77]

pie's read on me was so shit, i strong townread her for it >.>
@foxbird you played pretty well, everything you said came across as genuine for some reason

[kraska77]

dont know why this game is depressing but it is
we were all talking past eachother
its kinda funny

[kraska77]

thx for modding farfar ^_^

[kraska77]

@pie u nailed the confbiased town play on day 1 (i stopped following the game after that)
I generally have trouble discerning confviased town from ballsy scum I guess

[kraska77]

And yeah the yume lynch shouldnt have happened. I don't get when people policy lynch like that. If anything, yume's reaction to pie and her willingness to cooperate with her bc of pies approach to her is enough proof that smoothing conflict is always possible and you can get emotional players to work with you if you keep emphasizing areas of common interest than keep highlighting conflict