Mini 1821 Badass Women U-Pick Mafia - game over

[Aristophanes]

Preemptively
VOTE: Ari

Because man and stuff...

[Aristophanes]

Yep, I kinda expect it

[Aristophanes]

As you read the words of the invitation you wonder, if this a joke/ a trap?

It's a Trap!

[Aristophanes]

or espers

They are so cute!

Why Kraska?

[Aristophanes]

^ I'm missing something, but I'm sure I'll get it in time...

[Aristophanes]

What the fuck is an esper?

[Aristophanes]

Oh, so what peigyn an LL were doing is okay, but the moment I try to do the same, it's not?

I mean, you were a tad more direct, but I don't see the problem with any of this really.

I'm more intrigued by their interactions tbh. But I feel like nothing good can come of this discussion, so I guess we won't go down that road.

[Aristophanes]

@MOD can you replace me out I am over gamed right now. sorry

[Aristophanes]

BEEGIRL! <3

[Aristophanes]

I'm reading up, but this caught my eye.

Ari's (4) Ari's, kraska, beegirl

Uhh...

@Farside

Is this correct?

[Aristophanes]

Yes I am a double voter ^_^

I just got to that part! Lol

[Aristophanes]

Someone (Pie?) asked me for reads.

I have very few atm, but I like Beeboy for town and Kraska may be scum, though that's a far more nullscum read than I like to admit.

I should have more, but Imma have to reread to get it. So far nothing has jumped out at me either way, sadly.

[Aristophanes]

K, TTH can be town too probably.

But I'm off to sleep now.

Night all!

[Aristophanes]

My apologies on dropping off in activity. I'm at Pg 13 catching up. The site kept crashing in my bit of spare time earlier today and I didn't get a chance to read any further.

Should have something by the end of the weekend.

[Aristophanes]

Prod received.

I'm going to make a very strong effort to read this game in full over the next day or two. That's the best I can promise!

Really sorry about being an inactive slot. This will be rectified!

[Aristophanes]

Wait wtf. Am I hammered!?!?

[Aristophanes]

I haven't even fucking done anything!

My god.

[Aristophanes]

No you're not hammered so I'll stop you right there.

Okay, thanks TTH.
I just saw the page refresh when I posted and saw intent, followed by a vote.

I'm town and though I have been inactive I am not an ideal lynch for today. As a matter of fact, I barely have any interactions, so we gain nothing from my death. I am far more helpful alive.

Just gimme a day or two to get back in track!

[Aristophanes]

Ari when are you going to role claim?
You are at l-2 and I am a double voter.

Oh yeah!
This is intent I guess then?

I'm a funky kinda Vig. Lemme refresh my memory lol

[Aristophanes]

I'm in training as a Vig.

If I target someone, and anyone else does as well, the target dies. I don't do anything if I am the only one targeting a slot.

Also, I'm pretty sure a Saving role would override this and save the target.

[Aristophanes]

I forgot Beebs was 2xVoter and my claim is legit.

Ninja'd

What's your flavor?

Sure!
I am Rey, the Badass Protagonist of The Force Awakens (and likely more movies to come)!

[Aristophanes]

am I actually going to have to start strong-arming this? please don't make me, I *really* don't feel like it.

Pie, wtf.

I will gladly have you guys direct where I target, leaving it up to you whether the target lives or not. I'm a vig that can't do anything unless someone else targets the player, so if my target does, we know someone wanted them dead and find out why, or decide beforehand on who should make the action into a kill. I'm actually an interesting mechanical asset in this game!

[Aristophanes]

Screw the claim

Where are the reads

You mean the ones I haven't formed yet? Uh...

[Aristophanes]

Lol I know.

I'm off work Friday. If I don't have a full read through done then, I can't argue. This isn't me having lurked the thread though, this is me having not read it, leaving lots of work ahead of me.

So, yeah. I'm on it.

[Aristophanes]

I am Rey, the Badass Protagonist of The Force Awakens (and likely more movies to come)!

:\

Whaaaaa?

Do you disagree she was a Badass?? Because I could easily write you a good case for her being one!

[Aristophanes]

No.
It's just that the only mod I see giving Rey that role is one that hasn't seen the movie.

(Rey was one of my choices, so I'm not arguing her badassness.)

Ah. Well, I don't know Farside's familiarity with the series, but my guess is that she is somewhat like a Jedi in training, which translated to the Vig in training. It's the best I got as a guess.

And I'm glad we can agree on her badassness!

[Aristophanes]

In order to truly confirm or disprove your role, we would need to out more roles.
This is problematic.

I know. I'm not a fan of that aspect.

However, my killing potential can be directed, if you like. That's gotta be nice at least.

[Aristophanes]

I still can't believe you never even checked in on this thread and were

completely

unaware you were getting run up.

Well, it's true, so...

[Aristophanes]

The more you talk about how we should keep you alive for your role, the more I want to lynch you.

Fine.
Keep me alive long enough to present reads and give insight. This way my lynch is not a waste. I think my role could be used very well, but it is not the sole reason I wish to be here, merely something I believed was an asset. Sorry if it appeared I was using it as a crutch.

[Aristophanes]

That's L-1 btw. Please don't lolhammer me.

[Aristophanes]

Do you have your reads Ari? Will we see them soon?

I do agree with TTH's 984. Your post 982 screamed scum to me.

Screw the claim

Where are the reads

You mean the ones I haven't formed yet? Uh...

Lol I know.

I'm off work Friday. If I don't have a full read through done then, I can't argue. This isn't me having lurked the thread though, this is me having not read it, leaving lots of work ahead of me.

So, yeah. I'm on it.

[Aristophanes]

24 hours from this post to present reads or I put my fist throuhg your skull.

Deal

[Aristophanes]

I understand.

I've been called into work all day tomorrow now, so tonight is my personal deadline here. If I don't deliver, I deserve all of this.

[Aristophanes]

I will be very disappointed if someone hammers Ari while his vote is still on himself.

Lmao is it really?

UNVOTE:

I'm reading now.

[Aristophanes]

Holy shit, my last comment that had content was 30 pages ago. Starting there.

From his replacement in and early comments, I've started with a strong Beegirl townread (counting Beeboy as Beegirl here).
Edit - I forgot about his role, which I agree mostly conftowns him.

Pie, I apologize in advance, but I am going to be skimming a lot of your posts. You are an amazing player, but I have far too much to read to get stuck in your walls.

Aris' response to me is troubling, as "has trouble fabricating viable reads" is one of his primary scum traits.

This is true, I'm not a good scum player. But I am never as forward about it when scum. I know my acknowledgement of my own meta nullifies it, but what I'm saying is that though I see your point, it is incorrect.

Pie im sorry but that's too many words I can't be bothered to read
I feel like I explained everything so dunno where u getting all these words from

I know this is a "kettle, meet pot" comment, but I really dislike this. If someone takes the time to make a case on you, you had better damn well read it! In doing this, Kraska is effectively telling you to take your case and shove it. This is very possibly scum trying to subvert pressure by avoiding it altogether.
Ohey, I see she scumreads me too, because I had only a couple reads.

@Kraska

, Why should I have had more reads? (Circa page 11) I didn't, so should I have fabricated some? I don't see what this would have accomplished.

My role is pretty weird tbh ^_^;; but is confirmable anyway.

tell us more

Rolefishing?


Interestingly, I'm getting Kraska/Skybird bussing feels on page 12 where they interact. I can quote and stuff, but this is already a long enough post and I have to get moving on this.

[Aristophanes]

Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal
Send me a kiss by the wire, baby my heart's on fire
If you refuse me, you're gonna lose me
Then you'll be left alone
Ring a telephone
And tell me I'm your all

(don't mind me, I just feel bored)

Well this is a proddodge if I ever saw one. And disguised as if posted by someone who had been active but ran out of things to say, even though not remotely the case. Dislike.

@TTH

And a little words of advice from the mod.

One I use the following to determine actions during the night NAR No that doesn't mean those abilities are in the game, just how I resolve actions.
Two when I create a game I first create abilities, random org most abilities and then use what you lovely people sent me to match said abilities.
Trying to out guess the mod is a bad, bad idea.

Thank you for your time.

This may explain your dislike of my role/ability pairing.

Kraska (5) lady, pie, yume, mollie, skybird
Skybird (5) fox, nahdia, BeeGirl, kraska

See here...
The wagon on Kraska raised when trying to lynch Skybird.

This is quite interesting actually. Keeping an eye on them both.

Nahdia is really town, so this helps. I know she replaced at some point, so I hope her replacement is as towny!

Holy shit. I just realized Mollie's Avi isn't a punkrock girl in a pink tshirt with pink hair over her eyes as she strums her electric guitar!
Also, she could be scum with Kraska & Skybird. This is a very possible scumteam to me.

Sidenote, listening to Ariana Grande as I do this, and this awesome acapella version of Dangerous Woman came on. Figured I'd share.

[Aristophanes]

Sigh...
Call me back in a few days...

Congratulations, you've begun the next phase of your mafia lifecycle all naturally charismatic players get; the "fear" phase where people are hesitant to townread you ever because you seem to always towntell regardless.

I hate this post.
Spreading said fear isnt gonna help, it only enables scum to mislynch, if i always towntell, maybe it's because i havent rolled scum? dont you think?
I'm never, never, NEVER, gonna allow scum to ever achieve a mislynch on me.

Unvote
Vote: Nahdia

Luna...what is this vote!?
No.

It didnt look like a joke to me.
It looked like you were posturing yourself to discredit any sort of townreads i ever get because "I always towntell regardless", when you have no knowledge of how i play as scum, because if you did, you wouldnt be saying that.

I thought her post was quite humorous. Your sudden defensiveness and taking this as a personal attack is dodgy. I hate scumreading you, but this is making me lean in that direction.

Oh. This is where Nahdia leaves us
Sorry I'm bringing all this back up.

lets see what this does

VOTE: foxbird

This is dumb and has no reasoning. I hope to see something come of it, else I'm calling it scum capitalizing on the thread being shaken in order to push something new, assuming their scumpartners are on the block.

And there you have it folks, you have seen for the first time the angry side of Luna, it rarely happens but... im a human being i cant really stay happy forever >.<

If that's you being mad, that's really not that bad. Sorry to see the game drove you there <3
And sorry, but I'm still scumleaning on you after all this.

catchup post felt genuine unlike ari's

I made a catchup post before all this? Hunh??
Ah shit, you can't even answer. NVM.

I'm sorry this is all cluttering up the thread. I don't do catchups well.
Yay! UTL is here!!!

Oh yay, here's my wagon...for pressure.
Guess what, it didn't work. lol

yeah why were you even townreading Art before bee?

o/
~raises hand~

I was mildly townreading Ari for taking the first crack at reading me of everyone. It felt organic given the context of him coming off a fresh scum game with me (UTL can tell you about that).

It since hasn't solidified because of his absence and he did mention in the PT that lurking as scum is an issue for him. :\

This is true, however I should have specified. Active lurking is what I do as scum, rather than neglecting a thread entirely.
Also, our recently completed game aided in my taking a crack at reading you. Having had it as a fresh comparison, I felt (and still feel) confident in my read on you.

Skipping TTH/Pie on 23.

I can't believe this is taking me so long. I don't think I'll finish before bed

If not, whatever. Just lynch me I guess, LLD, since I'm sure this will not suffice.
I've tried. I'll just be mislynch bait later, as I doubt scum will NK me ever.

[Aristophanes]

I won't hammer you if you plan on finishing, I don't mind waiting 24 hours to give you more time.

I do and I will. I'm just almost falling asleep here and I'm trying not to make excuses since I should have done all this a long time ago.

Thanks Beegirl <3

[Aristophanes]

Hi. Just give me time to claim before you lynch me.

I don't understand this post at all. You aren't even being voted right now.

Yeah, yume last posted over 2 days ago. I don't like that slot right now.

It really feels like she just got her town read and plans on coasting on it.

^ It's because of this....I got mad that he thinks I should sacrifice my real life issues in order to play.

WTF Yume.
Nobody is saying that. In fact, UTL later added that had you mentioned you had something IRL taking your time, or that you'd be v/la or busy, or anything, this wouldn't have been said. However, it did look like you were coasting. I hope to see content after this, because your slot is extremely null and coasting as hard as me at the point in the game I'm reading. AtE detected in bringing this up here. I'm not saying so because I don't respect your IRL issues, but this post is really bad.

Okay, so Layla is Kraska. I have high hopes for this slot!

Ok, sheeping.

VOTE: Ari

Uggh, you must be scum!
At least that makes it easy.

I see your unvote. It does strike me as a little towny in the way it happened. I don't see scum retracting the vote there, especially without voting somewhere else. Of course, it could just be scum posturing, but I don't think so. I was so happy with that scumread too

We have time to make sure we get the lynch right. Unvoting until I get a read on Layla.

UNVOTE: Layla

Hi Layla, have we played together before?

This post is weird. I don't know what about it I find weird, but I dislike it. Will mull it over and get back to you (probably).

Well, declaring V/LA every single day is stupid.

OMG LOOK YOU'RE STILL NOT DOING ANYTHING

So much this.

Ari is avoiding this game.

VOTE: Ari

L-1

Nah, Ari was intimidated by how behind he'd gotten and...well okay, I avoided it.
I'm sorry.

Yume, do you actually have reads? This is the second time I'm asking.

633

This doesn't even make sense. Are you saying UTL is your sole read, and a scumread because she is calling you out for not contributing, just because that happened in another game? Does this mean those calling me out for this are scum too? Because this makes half the game scum. And they're not wrong in calling either of us out, nor is it scummy to call us out, so this whole thing is dumb.

And now you're not even willing to let me prove my role. Very well, if you want to be stubborn, like, 100 percent, then I will be too.

Intent to hammer

Lol okay, so Yume is scum, yes? I'm convinced.

I think she meant between Yume and myself.

The reason I ask is I saw LLD make a similar comment a while back. Personally, I think the "toxicity" in this game is pretty mild.
I guess I've become desensitized. ;_:

I think the same, none of this has seemed

that

bad to me.
*Shrugs*

I think we all need wine.

Yes. Wine is a good idea.

Where the hell is Aristophanes? He should bring us wine when he comes to wow us with his sick reads on the game.

Spoiler: Wine

I hope there's enough to go around!!!

vote: Aristo

Actually fuck this. Layla put Aristo at L-1 so Yume can hammer.

Beegirl, Why!?

If it makes you feel better, Yume is following every step of the "how to meet a bloody, gruesome end at the hands of a vig" recipe.

This can be arranged easily!

Dear Vigifwehaveone:

I will bake you a cookie cake if you vig yume.

and brownies.

and anything else you want.

Signed with love,

UTL

Consider it done!
I love baked goods! =D
How well do they go with Wine?

I've read up to pg 30. Lots of filler there, and Bee being weird in trying to prove a point.
And I had forgotten Layla was GIF, but I've definitely read that somewhere before.

I might be able to push through all this, but it means I probably won't be back until Saturday. I'll try to stay active while I'm at work once caught up though. It is just impossible to do catchups like this from there.

[Aristophanes]

Damn, that's a wall. I'm really sorry everyone!

[Aristophanes]

Consider it done!

Not with the mechanic you're describing. With the ascetic, no one else is going to be able to land an action.

Ah fuck, you're right.

I didn't even think of how an Aescetic would interact there.

This also means it is possible a scum aescetic exists in order to limit my vigging power though.

[Aristophanes]

Does this mean I don't get any baked goods? :'(

[Aristophanes]

It does say I vig if another player targets them though, not if it lands. I'll ask Farside to clarify.

[Aristophanes]

Actually I think the opposite because your description of your vig is already hard as f to land it and giving scums the ability to stop the vigshot would be an overkill.

Hmm...
I guess this all goes back to not outguessing the Mod. Valid point though.

Also I must say I'm disappointed in Ari catch up (don't worry Ari, if I can read it, it's not a wall.) but then I expected it to be terrible anyway because regardless of his alignment the catch up was rushed.

Well that's reassuring in a sense. Sorry I couldn't make it a masterpiece! I'm really trying here.

[Aristophanes]

This also means it is possible a scum aescetic exists in order to limit my vigging power though.

spurious

I just learned a new word!

[Aristophanes]

I think you're giving my scum game too much credit ^_^;;

In our defense, nobody's really seen it

Do you not townread her?
Also she's the most hilarious choice.

Damn Art, you're too pro, you havent even posted and ppl are changing opinions of you!

That's because my posting often gets me more scumread than not posting. Well, at least, this used to be my meta. I think it has changed since joining MS. lol

This Ari catchup better be accompanied by a musical number with the amount of time we've been waiting for it.

Lol, I could include a song and dance section! I'd have worked it in if you'd mentioned it sooner!

Does it matter? UTL wants me gone and will somehow pull off getting me lynched, and when I flip town, he'll pretend it never happened. That's how egoistical people like him operate. It's not 'she doesn't do anything', but when I give a list, he'll deem it fake because he's scum on it. Just watch

Town: Layla
Null: people
Scum: UTL

Now watch.

Okay, 2 things here.
1. UTL is Female!
She has clarified, and it should be the default in this game anyway!
2. This whole defeatist thing got old really fast. You're not being lynched from what I can see, and I apparently can't Vig you (pending clarification, which I still have to ask for), so stop it already and play the fucking game! (Or go v/la for personal stuff. whatever. But pushing UTL as a villain is both incorrect and uncalled for.)

Oh yay, more misrepping of UTL. Can we lynch this? She's doing herself in.
Oh, and ad homs, beautiful.
Also, this is funny because I wasn't replaced and want you lynched.

hope the replacement can talk UTL out of tunneling me

Heyyy! The posts where I came back start here!

I'll read them later. I have to work in 6 hours...

Ah ninjas.

[Aristophanes]

The Yume read bores me.
Your pirate mollie one might be more interesting. Talk more about that one.

Art kinda jumped at the weirdest thing to pick up from to scumread me, feels more to me like he's picking on a weak point rather than scumhunting.
Also im not buying the Skybird vs Kraska being cross bus theory, i could buy both town, but not both scum.

I'll elaborate on both tomorrow. Promise.

Layla just said what I was thinking. The mechanism you're claiming and a direct scum counter makes the role borderline negative utility.

Yeah, i get it. I'm not the best at game balance theory yet. Working on it though.

[Aristophanes]

Well then, time to work, Ari!

Ehhhhhhh I take it back, you can be town.

I'll probably vote Ari, this claim is the bads.

You need to fo more in this game. I keep forgetting you're here until you pop in, make a one liner, and leave.

[Aristophanes]

Can we lynch this?

I thought you said:

Actually I think the opposite because your description of your vig is already hard as f to land it and giving scums the ability to stop the vigshot would be an overkill.

Hmm...
I guess this all goes back to not outguessing the Mod. Valid point though.

So wouldn't that make Yume town? And you want to lynch her? Or do you disagree.

I'm saying it's a valid point, but that I want to read her off of play, not claim.
Her play tells me she is scummy, so that's what I'm more inclined to believe.

Just because I accept someone's point as valid doesn't mean I have to follow it.

[Aristophanes]

It's even more disappointing when Ari is scumreading kraska but only one of my post was mentioned and it was to use a lol emoji.

I scumread Kraska but I like what you have brought to the game. I therefore must review my read on your slot.

I also quoted your vote on me, and mentioned the unvote and how it affected my read.

[Aristophanes]

I'm here! Sorry.

Not much has been happening, so I don't have much to comment. Is it normal for people to be so willing to hammer early, in regards to time left on the deadline?

You have nothing to say after this catchup of mine and all the interactions going on? Nothing at all??

And it's not totally odd. 4 days isn't bad. When it's a week or more is when I'd be concerned.

[Aristophanes]

Where did the rest of the people go?
Art: Weren't you gonna finish the catchup, or did you finish it already.

I read the last bit and there was nothing to note.

I have to elaborate on my reads and feels, but that;s a project for tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

ari

I am not liking your stalling

I mean, you can call it whatever you want. I am merely trying to present, like, actual things that an maybe help us all should I end up the default lynch (which it appears I am going to be at this point). I'd prefer that I make actual reads rather than surface ones, as Isos often change my opinion of people and I have yet to do any here. I've begun rambling, but basically, I need to make posts and I know it, but I need content to post first.

I'm popping in to say Aris' catchup so far has done absolutely nothing to change my opinion of him. I'm just waiting for when/if he finishes it more than anything.

Yeah, I know it sucks, but its all I got atm. Sorry it's not good enough, Pie.

[Aristophanes]

what kind of content do you need ari?

cos I feel like there is a lot to go on

I want more interactions with you for one.
I want to engage Mala and LLD, for two, as LLD is extremely null and that's very odd, and Mala just doesn't seem to be interested at times.
I also just wnat to have a chance to reread some stuff now that I have a proper footing. I know time is limited and I'm not asking for any extra. I just hope I can contribute to a town win even if I am a write-off currently.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Ari

Can you do something useful for once?
Maybe explain your read on me and why you voted me.
Have you read up on the game?

[Aristophanes]

Actual reads would be nice, because this tells me nothing, as I previously noted.

Yume, do you actually have reads? This is the second time I'm asking.

633

Why? Because this

Three of the scum called me out of lurking/not contributing. Sound familiar?

[Aristophanes]

LLD is extremely null and that's very odd

Oh...?
What's the background on this?

First game I played with her (Midsummer Night's Dream) she was so vocal and extremely obvtown (until i got her dead because I'm a dummy). She is, I know, trying to curb this somewhat, as she did rather successfully as scum in PYP6. She ended up carrying her dead teammates to victory (as you know) because she was getting read and making her voice heard.
Here I just hadn't seen anything notable!

I say hadn't because I really like her followup to my catchup. SK I finally can have a town lean there, but I still would love for you to be a huge player in the game, LLD.

[Aristophanes]

What are we supposed to trust you with exactly?

[Aristophanes]

There is no way I'm not being lynched, is there.

[Aristophanes]

I'll finish making my cases tonight. Feel free to hammer after that if you're unsatisfied. I hate being the lynch, but if it's me or NL, I suppose I'm the better choice.

I'm really sorry for my bad performance this game.

[Aristophanes]

Art is like conf scum =/

Not even close!

[Aristophanes]

Lynch Ari and get all the benefits of Mr. Rogers. You know you want the benefits of Mr. Rogers. It's a happy day in the outhouse. You know what I mean.

I vote we tell Ari to target this shit tonight.

Ari, target this shit tonight, please. I want it dead and gone and out of this game.

Gladly, except isn't this an ascetic slot? This means my action will land, but nobody else's can, leaving the slot alive.

Also, obvious softing is obvious.

[Aristophanes]

Yume you haven't done anything other than argue with people. I even backed off to give you space, and you did shit with it. You calling LLD anti town is fucking hilarious.

AGAIN, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE OF DAY 1 BECAUSE OF LACK OF INFO. SURE, I CAN MAKE SOME SHIZZ ON THE SPOT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY WORTH UNLESS I CAN FORM ASSOCIATIVES, WHICH I CAN'T DO ON DAY 1. BUT IF YOU WANT ME TO MAKE UP SOME SHIZZ, FINE.

Ari is scum, UTL is scum, LLD is scum, everyone else is town.

There, there's your shizz. >.>

Coungratulations, you win. I am a vig.

shoot: self

I want out of this game too just so I don't have to deal with your tunneling. Goodbye cruel world. I was Ascetic Neighborizer Dayvig, hence the Mr.Rogers reference. I could have neighborized you LLD and cleared this up, but nooo, you wanted me dead no matter what. Well, you got your wish, hope you are happy.

This is the funniest shit I've read in a long time! Ahaha!!

Even if it's distracting, this reread is fun!

[Aristophanes]

Or in other words, you either ride 'pl-ing me' wave or you're scum trying to back off.

Uhh, if you're dead already then no?
This makes no sense.

[Aristophanes]

Cancelling my vig shot

I, uh, don't think this is how it works... lol

[Aristophanes]

Funfact. Aristophanes shot would, in fact, kill yume.

Oh?

I'm taking this at face value because why not.

I will Def shoot Yume tn then!

[Aristophanes]

Well, I lied, sort of. I am not Dayvig, I am a Night Vig only. That shot was to get her to shut up. Pretending I shot myself to force her to look elsewhere.

How many vigges are there!?

Are you a conditional vig like I am?

[Aristophanes]

I literally said I am gonna add beegirl to a neighborhood and get information from her and you demand a vig shot right after?

Fishing for info, eh?

[Aristophanes]

Is anyone town-reading mala?

Nope

[Aristophanes]

If I agree with you dying, will I magically turn into scum?

Yep!
Your role PM will become red.

Pretty neat eh!
If we all do it, we can be scum together and auto-win!

[Aristophanes]

FAKE FAKE FAKE

THEY'RE BOTH FAKE.

NOTICE HOW QUICKLY ARI AGREED TO SHOOT ME AS SOON AS UTL SUGGESTED IT. IT'S EITHER BUDDYING, OR THEY'RE BOTH SCUM. EITHER WAY, ARI NEEDS TO DIE. TODAY.

And you said you can't make associatives D1.

I call shenanigans!

[Aristophanes]

Also, tell me, Ari, will my role PM magically turn red because I am scumreading you?

Hahaha no.
But the flail and AtE and lack of content from your slot is so bad I don't really care.

I think we have a good chance of hitting scum with your death.

Plus, Ascetic Neighborizer Vig is just too weird. Maybe Ascetic Neighborizer with a Scum Kill though...

[Aristophanes]

And if you are all scum, then I, Yume, will team up with Jar Jar and Yuki and take you all down.

The funniest part about this statement is the fact that you would still be of a different alignment from us, making it towards our wincon to kill you, and would make you the minority, which regardless of title as town or scum, is essentially scum.

[Aristophanes]

Like, can we just lynch Yume and direct my shot elsewhere?

[Aristophanes]

If you want to kill me that badly then you'd better be prepared for the wrath of Jar Jar, Yuki and Jacuzzi.

Oh look, Yume has a team of people aligned with her who will try to kill us if we kill her.
Sounds an awful lot like a scumteam, doesn't it.

[Aristophanes]

Art is like conf scum =/

And Ari is scum. Like, he is 100 % scum, guaranteed.

So, we have two 100% guarantees I am scum now. Anyone else want to add their names to the list?

[Aristophanes]

and I have no choice but to go along with it

Except you're not going along with it, so...

[Aristophanes]

Have you heard of Schrodinger's cat? It exists but yet it doesn't. The notion that I'm scum, only exists in the minds of UTL, LLD and yourself, because you already know I am cos you're aligned with me. Oh, the irony. Too bad, we were caught, so let's take it with dignity.

You're funny. I like you!

[Aristophanes]

Her claim actually reminds me of my role in Aeronaut's College Mafia.

I was gonna say, likely scum pool to pull from is {Luna, Yume, Beegirl, Mala} Layla maybe, but only because scum executioner is possible and scary.

I'm fairly certain one of the Vig claims has to be SK, and Luna does make the most sense.

I will be aiming at Yume tonight.

Intent

Multi ninja...

[Aristophanes]

Pie I kind of want Yume to shoot Mollie >.>

Fuck off with this antitown bullshit!

[Aristophanes]

Does []=== mean people want a hammer?

[Aristophanes]

Maybe Art might actually be town idk =/ I was sure he was scum for claiming my role, but Yume's also claiming being a vig...

I'm sorry we couldn't coexist this game

[Aristophanes]

Can we lynch either a Vig claim or a Redirector claim today please?
I Really Don't care who at this point.

[Aristophanes]

{Luna, Yume, Beegirl, Mala}

That's pretty bad.

Who would you rather be in this?

I have reasons for all of them.

[Aristophanes]

THAT'S FINE BUT WHY DO YOU BELIEVE YUME?

I AM GOING TO ASSUME ITS THE TRUTH TO BE SAFE

Lame.

[Aristophanes]

{Luna, Yume, Beegirl, Mala}

That's pretty bad.

Who would you rather be in this?

I have reasons for all of them.

I even grabbed the pagetop for this

I wrote it before the new page appeared. Sorry!

[Aristophanes]

Whatever.

VOTE: Mala

The vigges should all shoot each other.

[Aristophanes]

Aris do you think there can be more than one vig?

Apparently there is. I don't see how or why or whatever, but I guess so.

I'm only a partial Vig. Yume is apparently ascetic vig, which I still think is dubious (investigation proof, possibly SK?). Luna is part messenger, which like I say, is similar to my SK role in College. I was SK and double neighbourizer. The people were only my neighbour's for one night & day, 2 at once. Not exactly the same, but similar.

So I see the SK possibility in both the other claims, and Yume might be just shitting us. I wouldn't doubt we all have kills of some sort.

This is also leading to the Scum Redirect deduction, as they need a way to counteract us all, and harness some of our power. It only makes sense.

[Aristophanes]

Guys.

Guys.

What if I told you




That I can be a vig too.

I figured.

Thus checking if I could potentially kill Yume.

[Aristophanes]

Hey Ari fun fact if Yume neighborizes me you can vig me tonight

Yeah, but is that good or ideal play? I do have scumfeels for how willy-nilly you're throwing this DV around, and the "certainty" your claim gives to you being town. However,I don't know that is is worth NKing you for.

[Aristophanes]

... /headdesk

Aris scum, UTL vig, Yume is probably just a dumbshit who's faking vig for some god-awful reason.

And Luna?

[Aristophanes]

Ok there is a small part of me that believes Yume but no part of me thinks UTL is a vig.

Then how is she supposed to help me git an ascetic tonight? She has to have a killing role to do so!

UTL, is yours somewhat conditional as well?
I've been a Vig that can only hit if we target the same person before (Baccano Mafia, but not Cheetory's, Jeanne's.)

So many ninja posts. How do you people keep up!?

[Aristophanes]

Idk Ari I just wanted to test your claim and I am volunteering to be killed out of this wonderful game.

I mean, if you want I can. But I don't know if it is optimal..

[Aristophanes]

Or pie is scum that's scared of the power of Town!Luna's vigging gut.

Possible

[Aristophanes]

Guys in addition to my RNG role I am a mason with Foxbird don't shoot her pls

*sigh*

You are ruining Masons for me...

[Aristophanes]

Lol Mason is a good role Ari.

I know, I know.

I just...I just don't know.

[Aristophanes]

So, is there anyone that hasn't claimed today...
Like, we seriously need to stop this scramble and figure out our shit.

[Aristophanes]

Why cant i ever roll masons
Mason vig would've been more fun than this convoluted role that is only making people want to lynch me.

Beeboy is a Mason Vig RNG-Madness role?

Crazy.

[Aristophanes]

beeboy obviously isn't a mason.
For those of you who believe literally anything...

That's why he's ruining then for me.

Ninja'd
I know. I'm just to the point of trolling now.
Sorry!

Ninja'd again
Seriously Bee?
Then why would you ask to be vigged by me?

[Aristophanes]

Uggggggh

[Aristophanes]

Don't self hammer Luna. It's not the way to go.

What are the votes at?
I'll restate my intent.

Ninja'd
Never mind.
Beegirl can't stay in a vote for more than 10 minutes it seems.

[Aristophanes]

Can you metaphorically or figuratively self hammer? o.O

Brilliant

[Aristophanes]

Why are you doing this?

[Aristophanes]

I guess it's Luna or bust?

[Aristophanes]

At the very least i guess it's better that i do get my first town ML in my life so that stops stinging in my mind every game I play, but I feel like I'm not gonna be happy.

Yeah, it'll suck if it's true.

[Aristophanes]

It's 3am :S

I'll finish whatever lynch I have to in the morning.

[Aristophanes]

Just 10 hours left.

Sorry Luna.
VOTE: Luna

L-2

Ninja'd

L-1

[Aristophanes]

I forgot about the DV again.

Oh well, that solves that I guess.

[Aristophanes]

I will be aiming at Yume tonight.

[Aristophanes]

No, you don't. Not until everyone else but you and me agrees with it.

Yume, if your claim is true, the only way I can kill you is if someone else decides to kill you too.
Why are you so worried about this?

Ninja'd
Fine, ask your question. I'll stay out of it.

[Aristophanes]

Also, Mala, you'd better claim your redirects, because that role is prime for funny business and we don't need that!

[Aristophanes]

Why? Because UTL hinted you can kill be regardless. Have you been paying attention?

Okay, so you have been paying attention too. Good.

That's still only if she uses whatever it is that could activate my kill

and

isn't redirected.

[Aristophanes]

Well that hurts

I shot at Yume, as promised.

[Aristophanes]

Welp I am hated right now

Don't worry, I won't vote you BeeBeeGirl <3

[Aristophanes]

Why can't we lynch Ari out of curiosity?

You want to lynch me out of curiosity?

[Aristophanes]

Bee, did you get your neighborhood last night and what did we find out from it?

[Aristophanes]

Bee, did you get your neighborhood last night and what did we find out from it?

Nope I think Yume listened to me and neighborized Pie.

Interesting.
I'd like to hear from them then.

UTL, I agree with you, but I want to find out what Yume did/said at night before voting. I'm sure I'll join you soon.

Ninja'd
Most interesting!

[Aristophanes]

Ah that makes sense considering the day started early you may not have been roleblocked.

I don't believe Ascetic roles can be role-blocked...

[Aristophanes]

Ah that makes sense considering the day started early you may not have been roleblocked.

I don't believe Ascetic roles can be role-blocked...

I forgot that detail lol

'Sally good Bee

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, I'm with UTL after all this.

VOTE: Yume

If it feels like scum, and it looks like scum, and it sounds like scum...

[Aristophanes]

(I think that's how the expression goes)

[Aristophanes]

That again, doesn't explain why you didn't target me, ensuring that he would kill me. My guess is if that were to happen, you'd lose your mislynch target for day 2.

Uhh, she basically said her role would not apply in this case, but there are other possible roles which may enable my kill on an ascetic.

Keep flailing though, this is fun!

[Aristophanes]

In fact, I insist that you both target me night 2. I am certain that UTL would chicken out, proving his guilt.

See above.

[Aristophanes]

In fact, I insist that you both target me night 2. I am certain that UTL would chicken out, proving his guilt.

See above.

Also, you are an ascetic begging to be targeted. The point of claiming ascetic us to have people not target you.

What are you playing at?

[Aristophanes]

And all your accusations look like Ircher's in RC's Upick.

p-edit: I want to be confirmed town by flip so you can focus on finding real scum instead of wasting time on me.

Well, a lynch is the easiest way to achieve this.

All Aboard!
Choo Choo!

[Aristophanes]

I made it clear that it was you. Quit playing dumb.

Is UTL seriously your only scumread?

No others?
Any Townreads or people of interest?

Anything!?

Ninja'd
Exactly what UTL said.

[Aristophanes]

Oh, come on. The four of us are scummz. And I am setting up you, Ari and LLD to take the fall so I can win solo. Ahahahaha. The town shall never see that coming.

Hahahaha 4:1:8 ratio? You really are crazy!

Also, how did LLD get brought up?
Interesting.

[Aristophanes]

I know that you're trying to bus me as well because there's no way to avoid that due to my appalling behaviour, but this is getting old. Scum have to win as a unit, not work against each other.

#YumeForScum2016 #ScumFlail #MakeScumGreatAgain

[Aristophanes]

K. You're just trolling now.

p. edit Ari, it's what she was saying yesterday.

Oh right. I'd forgotten that.

UTL, where should I target tonight after we lynch Scyume

[Aristophanes]

If they don't now, they will when I flip town, and that's all that matters here.

So....nothing?

Good to know.

[Aristophanes]

If your on trap kills you, it's not very good.

Where did you buy the kit? ACME?

[Aristophanes]

I am curious who Mala redirected.

I misread my Role PM just sayin'

I guess we'll delve into this later.

[Aristophanes]

but I don't really trust Ari.

</3

[Aristophanes]

That's because UTL is playing well.

[Aristophanes]

You're the ones flailing with your bs excuses, not me.

This is literally you flailing about flailing! XD

This is hilarious!

[Aristophanes]

VERSATILITY BY A WISE DINOSAUR. READ IT AND THEN SLEEP ON IT. TYVM

I'd rather read the game at hand. Why don't you make a post relevant to it instead of this??

[Aristophanes]

I did.

but obvsly I am not seeing what you are seeing which is why I am asking you to spell out what you are seeing.

for one, he fucking claimed vig and then no vig kill happened.

there's a bunch of play reasons for him being scum as well (tl;dr of it is that everything he did D1 - both his reads and that catchup he made at the end - was really shallow, and I didn't like his play right at the end either. I might pull up what, specifically, I take issue with if I _really_ need to), but this is really fucking straightforward.

I was told it may be possible for my vig to work on an Ascetic. I claimed I would target Yume. I then targeted her. It's not my fault if nobody else did!

I won't be targeting an ascetic claim tonight, so if anyone wants it to go through, they can make it do so.

As for my play, I've explained that I was overwhelmed, yes? I don't see how my end of day play is damning tbh. But believe what you like.

[Aristophanes]

I am also done talking to you pie cos I think you are scum.

VOTE: pieguyn

I'm not convinced, but I'm not Uber townreading her.

[Aristophanes]

Vote: Mollie

This is dumb.

Oh so very dumb.

[Aristophanes]

And don't even think about mafia treestump because there is literally no point in making a mafia treestump because a treestumped mafia will be just forced to troll or prod dodge.

I saw a mafia treestump before ._.

That was probably not fun, was it.

I think that's the point.

Ninja'd

VOTE: Mollie

This is why I ponder your alignment, Bee.

[Aristophanes]

Ari can shoot Skybird to prove himself since my action will be totally un-messable. (Can not be roleblocked, can not be redirected, can not be stopped by shooting me, etc.)

I can gladly, Layla!

Yes, that means I'll visit him again tonight.
And then we'll get our stuff together and lynch mala for great justice.

This plan sounds super legit!

I'd rather him shoot yume.

Also, if I die he should be treated like conftown. Thanks.

<3 UTL, you are wonderful!
Of course, I will be shooting Sky I guess, since Yume is today's lynch. Right? I hope so.
Layla, does your unblock able role also work on an ascetic? Because if we don't lynch Yume today I'd prefer my shot go there. If you'd rather, assuming we derp and let Yume live, I'll go Sky though (begrudgingly).

[Aristophanes]

if we're making Yume dead, I would much prefer her being vig'd over her being lynched.

If she wasn't ascetic, I'd agree. But then she'd probably already be dead and we wouldn't be having this conversation!

I'll vote where my townreads are voting

VOTE: Mollie

I have no words for this game.

[Aristophanes]

It really bugs me that Yume wants to be vigged so badly. She seems too eager to be vigged. I think lynching her is the best strategy.

I don't really agree with this kind of logic; my take on it is that Yume isn't flipping scum, and if we lynch her it'll essentially be an entirely wasted day phase if she's town or a mostly wasted one if she's scum (it hopefully should be obvious why). I don't hold a particularly high opinion of Yume's play, but I do believe that she from a town POV would in fact be able to see that it would not be good if we lynched her assuming she was scum only to find out we've wasted an entire day phase around her and would thus be inclined to fight against it in her ... own way.

even if the shot doesn't go through, there isn't any reason we wouldn't be able to just lynch her tomorrow; we have enough numbers. I don't see a reason not to at least attempt it in this scenario.

So you would rather let Yume, the most unhelpful player in the game, who has fakeclaimed vig, and who has a good chance of just wasting me shot due to asceticism, live through the night and likely into tomorrow when we will have to waste another lynch on her? And your big solution to not wasting the day today is to lynch the god damned claimed Treestump!?!?

No.

[Aristophanes]

Ari I just don't think anybody targeted her with you. I think you should try again tonight if they don't lynch her today. Though, I still think it's odd that shes insisting on getting vigged. I disagree with pie and that whole situation feels off.

Why is anybody reading mollie as scum at this point?

I may, but it will probably just waste my action.

I was very clear that I was targeting Yume, and I figured anyone who could enable me would. Unless that would have to be a scum role, in which case Yume has a good chance of being scum and is unable to have my ability activate on her.

She should be today's lynch.

[Aristophanes]

If we don't lynch her, I will. But I don't see why we shouldn't take care of this today!
Deal?

[Aristophanes]

Okay. I'll ask her here though.

@Mod If I am targeted by multiple people, one of whom is a vig, does the vig action still go through even if the other actions fail?

Good enough?

This question does not take into effect the conditional nature of my vig shot.

[Aristophanes]

All right, argue me that a treestump can be a scum claim.

if she's scum then she has a completely different role and the treestump claim is made up.

this isn't that hard.

Possible, but I don't see it.

[Aristophanes]

Plus, we can deal with her later! At least she's trying and not obfuscatin the thread!

[Aristophanes]

(Also, I would totally vig a claimed treestump in a situation like this.)

(I wld support this)

Pie, if she's so worried about death, why would she post this?

[Aristophanes]

(Also, I would totally vig a claimed treestump in a situation like this.)

(I wld support this)

Pie, if she's so worried about death, why would she post this?

Are you actually going to \/ig her?

If it'll get us a reasonable lynch today, why not!

[Aristophanes]

frankly, anyone who isn't voting mollie after that series of posts is bad at the game.

she's being blatantly disingenuous and there are people fucking town reading her for it.

I disagree. I really liked that series of posts and thought they were both genuine and towny.

[Aristophanes]

frankly, anyone who isn't voting mollie after that series of posts is bad at the game.

she's being blatantly disingenuous and there are people fucking town reading her for it.

I disagree. I really liked that series of posts and thought they were both genuine and towny.

because "lelel it's ~genuine~" is such a good reason to town read someone... JUST LIKE LLD IN PYP6, AMIRITE?

I am so sick of having to deal with this bullshit in every fucking game I play.

It's not just genuineness, Pie.
I was merely responding to that because you brought it up.

[Aristophanes]

like I have a very, very, very low opinion of how you played in that game. whatever, people have bad games.

what I find completely incomprehensible is that, instead of taking it as a learning experience, you choose to go and do the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING in this game. if you're seriously willing to vig her tonight, then whatever I'm OK with it, but you better not back out of it.

p-edit: @Aris

I do learn, I am willing to Vig her tn as it is optimal that her claim is verified, and I won't back out.

I did play poorly there, but I believe your play in regards to Mollie here is poor. I will sheep your reads at times, but this is not one of them.

I would rather vig Mollie and lynch Yume in case my vig fails again due to the asceticism. I don't think that is an unreasonable concern.

[Aristophanes]

@Foxbird
If I am being called town via night actions why would I have lied about my role?
Also, Pie/Mollie does indeed have a good chance of being TvT.
Also also, Yume should be lynched. Vote with us!

[Aristophanes]

^^^ Was @Skybird.
I got my birds mixed up.

Whoops!

[Aristophanes]

Pie, I read your post. When I said I was skipping them it was because I needed to catch up quickly, and I know you tend to have lengthy posts. I wasn't meaning to be rude

Ninja'd many times.

[Aristophanes]

@Foxbird
If I am being called town via night actions why would I have lied about my role?
Also, Pie/Mollie does indeed have a good chance of being TvT.
Also also, Yume should be lynched. Vote with us!

Someone else called you town via a night action. I don't know what action she took so yes you could still be lying about your role. Town people do lie about stuff. (FTR I don't want to hear what night action was taken right now because that info isn't needed yet.)

I'm already voting Yume with you.

Lol I know now. I thought it was Fox when I wrote that

And this 8s true, being septic all is fine. I just don't want to see it turn to doubt casting, because that is scummy.

[Aristophanes]

I can only visit Skybird tonight.

and then lightning rod-rize her.

Brava!

[Aristophanes]

it isn't something I should say, but try reading my posts from earlier this game day again.

yeah I found nothing in your iso to explain why you have such a strong townread on foxbird.

Really?
It wasn't very hard to deduce...

[Aristophanes]

I am tired. plz explain it to me

Obviously whatever role Foxbird mentioned when talking about her night action (directed at Pie) was enough to get a solid townread.

What I like about this is that Foxbird mentioned it in a helpful way, and Pie didn't jump at it, but accepted it despite it not being relevant to what she was doing at the time. It is obvious Pie dwelled upon it and cane out with a townread on Foxbird.

The whole interaction is something I see coming from town mindsets all around, and thus I am not too worried about the slots at the moment.

[Aristophanes]

Gladly!

[Aristophanes]

@pie: About the thing you're not sure you should claim: That was most likely me. It's me unless something interfered, anyway.

that's good to know. ~

the thing I'm not sure whether I should claim or not is something extra on top of that, though. I'll get back to you once I've thought about it more.

@pie: About the thing you're not sure you should claim: That was most likely me. It's me unless something interfered, anyway.

This is more or less a prod dodge because it's 2 AM here. Will post more stuff tomorrow.

also, after thinking about it, I think it's safe to say this: don't target me again tonight, please.

Foxbird is town, and at this point that's actually the one read I'm not willing to compromise on no matter what barring significant change. the reason isn't something I want to say right now but it should become evident sometime down the road. I'm well aware of TTH's read, but what I have should override it. apart from that, *if* I'm wrong on you, I would be willing to step back and listen, yes.

2. the Foxbird read has nothing to do with her reads/stances today, it's for a completely separate reason.

[Aristophanes]

Readslist:
Likely Town: Pie, Mollie, UTL
Townish: Foxbird, LLD, Layla
Nullish: Skybird
Scummy: BeeGirl, Mala
Likely Scum: Yume

* Please note that there are varying degrees within each section, and that the "Townish" and "Scummy" sections have some Nullish people. I'd rather list them this way though.

[Aristophanes]

Put Mollie as likely scum and put your name where mine is and we ha\/e the same reads :')

No shit!
At least we can agree on most things here!

Ninja'd
That's fine I guess.
I was excited that you were seeing her as scum finally, but that'll do.

[Aristophanes]

Ari, why is LLd likely town?

That is one of the more middling of the Townish reads.

I need to give her a good reread, but I still have liked her posting and approach to things at a few points in the game.

Without doing said required read back, I won't likely have the examples fully hashed out, but her reaction to my claim is one of them, and a couple reactions afterwards as well.

[Aristophanes]

*Waits for stalled day phase to end so the game can progress*
*reminds the thread that I will target Millen, so someone else will have to target her as well*

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Ari

wtf and why?

I'll read the two pages after thus, but I am not impressed.

[Aristophanes]

welp, my rolecop is worthless >.>

VOTE: lld

?

I used my one shot on you last night. >.>

I was explicit in my target. Wtf LLD.

[Aristophanes]

Ugh considering we said we wanted Ari to vig her to confirm

Sigh LLD

Right but Ari needs someone to target her to make it work.

So I figured like, if he's lying or gets RB'd or something, it would work as well

This makes sense actually. I can deal

[Aristophanes]

I'm feeling oddly motivated. Gonna reread some stuff and get back to you guys!

[Aristophanes]

I know I should have more of a read on Layla than I do, but they are rather middling still, which is concerning.
If I am to trust you and assume the same lynch pool, I'd have to say Skybird, Mala, and Bee are the three scum.

I also am musing whether we should massclaim today. Thoughts Pie?

[Aristophanes]

Also, Happy Scum day!

[Aristophanes]

I also am musing whether we should massclaim today. Thoughts Pie?

massclaim is actually really horrible here; in a normal game it would be correct, but in a situation like this there's a chance that even if we mislynch today the game can be saved tonight, and a massclaim makes it significantly less likely this will happen (if not impossible).

You're probably right.
What if there was an extra death tn though? How would a possible 3 deaths, plus a lynch, affect things?

[Aristophanes]

Okie dokes

[Aristophanes]

At least the pool is limited!

[Aristophanes]

I mean, Pie is right on why Beeboy is wrong, but I also want my shots to go in the right direction.
I'm listening Pie, it's just that if we do this wrong, it's GG Game over.

[Aristophanes]

you don't massclaim in a role-madness game in a MYLO (specifically a MYLO, not a LYLO) situation unless you're sure there's no beneficial roles left.

K, I'll trust you here.

[Aristophanes]

I forgot LLD was in this game again...

[Aristophanes]

I mean, Pie is right on why Beeboy is wrong, but I also want my shots to go in the right direction.
I'm listening Pie, it's just that if we do this wrong, it's GG Game over.

do you feel like it was in the "right direction" n2?

No, I knew you were Treestump based on your play and claims and stuff and I hated having to target you. What was I supposed to do though?

[Aristophanes]

I mean, Pie is right on why Beeboy is wrong, but I also want my shots to go in the right direction.
I'm listening Pie, it's just that if we do this wrong, it's GG Game over.

do you feel like it was in the "right direction" n2?

No, I knew you were Treestump based on your play and claims and stuff and I hated having to target you. What was I supposed to do though?

you cld have defended me and not vigged me

Then they would have lynched you today though, or had me vig you tn. It wouldn't have helped us, and I couldn't let it go so long that it hurt us.

I know it's shitty play, but it was the best alternative I could see.

[Aristophanes]

Sky did you really just ask what a RB does

I read that as being a tongue in cheek question which points to a possible answer to Night Action possibilities BeeGirl forgot.

I really, really hope this is the case.

[Aristophanes]

@ ari

this is a hardcore reach out buddy, like I am arm is literally going to fall off, I am reaching out to you so hard. you know I am town and utl's guaranteed you but we really need to be working together. what do your reads look like rn?

I'm reaching back to meet you in the middle! I am going to do some hardcore reading in this game and come back guns a blazing! Please don't fall off on me! We need you now more than ever!

[Aristophanes]

@ ari

this is a hardcore reach out buddy, like I am arm is literally going to fall off, I am reaching out to you so hard. you know I am town and utl's guaranteed you but we really need to be working together. what do your reads look like rn?

I'm reaching back to meet you in the middle! I am going to do some hardcore reading in this game and come back guns a blazing! Please don't fall off on me! We need you now more than ever!

okay skybird cld be the scum off the wagon of the sk, who is scum on the sk lynch?

LLD or Beegirl, but I'd lean more for the former.

I'll reread her, but other than a few moments where I really wanted to call her town, LLD hasn't shown herself to be trying even. She's obviously a Joat, but why would we have a Role Cop (I believe is what she claimed) if we had a Role Stealer as well??
It doesn't make sense, and she threw it away in order to trigger your death, which is just too weird a choice.

[Aristophanes]

Taking today to read back, but I swear, LLD, Beegirl, {Mala/Skybird} is our scumteam.

[Aristophanes]

I'm 6 or 7 pages behind (That'll learn me for, like, being places other than here) but like, whT if we lynched Mala/BeeGirl, and I targted Pie and LLD tn with my Viggy shit, then we reconvened tomorrow. Like, there is about a zero percent chance we wiill misss scumz rthis way!

Amirite, or amirite?

[Aristophanes]

Ofuk, Mala is at L-1.

Was she the motivator?

[Aristophanes]

wow

I just realized I don't have a vote.

Srsly???

[Aristophanes]

and for any1 to not get it I am being sarcastic

Oh.

Fuck me theh. :S

[Aristophanes]

I'm 6 or 7 pages behind (That'll learn me for, like, being places other than here) but like, whT if we lynched Mala/BeeGirl, and I targted Pie and LLD tn with my Viggy shit, then we reconvened tomorrow. Like, there is about a zero percent chance we wiill misss scumz rthis way!

Amirite, or amirite?

Mala and LLD are scum, Mala is at L-1, Foxbird is the motivator, I'm literally just waiting for you to catch up and announce (or decide not to announce) your targets before hammering.

Cool.

Imma do that then.

[Aristophanes]

I also am very sure Mala and LLD are scum.

LLD will be a target, you or Bee are the other (Sorry, I respect your play, honestly. It just seems very 3P focused on afterthought).


Bur I'll see if this changes.
Also, Pie, as I respect your GameSetupSpecWhateverYouWannaCallIt more than most, is Motivator a town role here or a scum role?

[Aristophanes]

Shit, this means drunk-me has to do this tn.

Oh well, there have been worse tragedies..

[Aristophanes]

Also, Pie, as I respect your GameSetupSpecWhateverYouWannaCallIt more than most, is Motivator a town role here or a scum role?

it's a town role, especially given how she played it.

am I good to hammer, or is that not final?

I mean, I've reat to page 99 and this one.

Up to you. LLD IS a target. The other I will read and assess. So not a big deal if you hammer or if you wait.
Itchy trigger finger says you hammer now though. Just a hunch.

[Aristophanes]

Also, something tells me I die TN, so it has been fun!

[Aristophanes]

K.

vote: Mala

U Da Coolest

[Aristophanes]

I ended up aiming at Pie and LLD last night btw. I came around on PieScum too late

i am glad I lost a game in mylo with you and ari <3.

<3
Sorry I never came back and figured stuff out with you Mollie! And sorry again that I shot you

@UTL @Ari Consider yourselves blacklisted.

I got blacklisted? That's a first.
Sorry if I made the game unbearable for you :S
I would defend against this, but I'm sure it's too late and I don't want to bug you any further. So, yeah. Sorry.

[Aristophanes]

I mindgamed Aris really hard

Yeah, well done on that Pie!

[Aristophanes]

I honestly did enjoy this game, Farside! So thanks:)

[Aristophanes]

For the record, when I was asked to replace in I read and I was positive Skybird was scum and pretty sure that Pieguyn was scum as well.

*show off*

oh, about this, the me/Skybird interactions are actually something I want to talk about a bit.

Spoiler: my insane, half-lucid rant

a lot of the reason I played this game in the way that I did, especially on D1, was to show off why it's so problematic to define "working with other people" as "comparing our reads and finding reads we agree on without regard to the reasoning behind the read", rather than "comparing the reasoning behind our reads, thinking about it together, and identifying the objectively better argument".

Skybird D1 was derailed because I sat there saying she was town over and over, and no one cared that I didn't really have much of a reason for it.
Foxbird D1 was derailed for much the same reason.
Yume was lynched D2 despite being obviously town, but no one cared that I didn't derail it because they wanted Yume gone and so they saw it as cooperative (dunno if this is the right way to phrase this but that was a 100% intentional choice on my part).
mollie was vig'd N2 because I made Aris feel bad for not following me.

as town I would have been all over people claiming beegirl's role auto-towned her, but people somehow think that it's uncooperative or not town play to consider things like that despite it being objectively true. this enabled the mass Foxbird reads D3.

after that mollie basically forced me into following her, but it didn't matter since her reads were wrong anyway, and she started town reading me (or at least stopped pushing me) because... I'm not even sure why? because me deciding to work with her and not bothering to question her (entirely incorrect) reads after getting her in effect mislynched was such a genuine thing to do?

literally all I did was sit there and hard push ridiculous reads all game and it's honestly stupid that something like that was not only sufficient to carry the entire scum team, regardless of anything (or the lack of anything) they did, but probably could have caused one or two more mislynches if I needed them for whatever reason. even GIF, who is aware that I'm not that awful at the game, didn't realize this is what I was doing until the last day.

TTH said that she didn't really know what she could have done differently to get her Foxbird lynch D1, and it wasn't really her fault, it's the fault of people playing the game like this en masse which enables the loudest people to win most of the arguments without regard to how good their reasoning actually is.

/shrug

Hey, I pushed Bee and it really, really bugged me every time he said he was Conftown.

I will take the rest in stride though and note it, for I hadn't noticed the game had gone so far towards the loud rather than the analysts.

[Aristophanes]

Pie/TTH/UTL?

Would make a lot of sense...

You called two dead townies scum, LLD. -.-

I mean, I laughed pretty hard and realistically should have realized this was a major townslip.

And to clarify, I wasn't laughing at you, but just that the situation had happened and dead townies were proclaimed as scumreads. The situation is objectively humorous!