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VOTE: MariaR

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i lied about my role pm

Too late for that.
VOTE: MariaR

If Maria flips town, we flashlynch Transcend.

You scum or selectively replying? How can you be following me yet oblivious yo the wagon on me?

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Actually giving a reason why someone could be scum during AVS is a great way to get the game started, but it draws attention like crazy, particularly from weaker players who automatically seem to assume off-meta behaviour = scum. Not entirely sure what to think of Transcend here. I feel his reactions to me are more thoughtless then flat out scummy.

Blitzkrieg, if you feel selective replying is worth pointing out, then why are you conveniently ignoring the wagon on you and the discussion it sparked?

I haven't ignored my own wagon. No player can comment on everything. If someone misses something they ought to observe, it is worth following up on.

My wagon was RVS, so I was letting things play out. What do people do after me? Does it match their personality? Who over justifies the vote? Right now, I am seeing pure RVS there and ignoring the wagon stood out more.

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Where the F did I say "I want to stay in RVS stage!" I'm saying we're still in it

Michael's first posts have been a load of bs and feels like

he's trying to get something rolling on town (ironic cause I'm doing the same thing)

Jarjar made one post and it wasn't a joking post it was a chainsaw lynch post that was god awful

VOTE: MariaR

Explain the bolded.

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Baiting rope = too scummy to be scum = not a thing. Will catch up in detail after doctor's appointment

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lets flip one of these

Shadow_step
karnos
kraska77

vote:Kraka

Why those three?

I still think Maria is scum and that Transcend is covering her her but the awkward defense does make sense if they are masons. Still don't like the deliberate pushing on town. Mason claims are a self resolving problem though.

UNVOTE: MariaM

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I was planning on voting Transcend and taking my meta tr back because I think people towntell best under a ton of pressure so if he could towntell it would make it easier for everyone to understand my townread on him like I already have.

Pressure from a mason partner usually works awesomely.

So are you doubting the mason claims or???

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VOTE: karnos

I will follow you for a bit Nero. Still want Maria's head but I think Transcend is town, so let's see what shakes loose.

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VOTE: karnos

I will follow you for a bit Nero. Still want Maria's head but I think Transcend is town, so let's see what shakes loose.

VOTE: kraska

That's the one you were voting.

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i'm not in a neighborhood with Maria lol

Dude stop dodging. Are you masons? Yes or no.

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Oh fuck that noise.

VOTE: MariaR

@Nero, I don't have solid reads on any of them, so I figured sheeping would help me get there.

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you're currently voting a mason lol

Yeah, then why so weasely when put to the task to confirm or deny it? You reply that you are not neighbors. You're never going to revoke? That's what it will take to get me to unvote Maria.

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we're masons

Never revoking..say it.

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Transcend, I don't have the time for bullshit tyvm.

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You know im town idiot

I think u'r scum w/ either kraska or Elyse (probably elyse since she seemed pretty sure the mason claim was false) and saw ur plan backfire and now ur purposefully moving the wagon back to maria.

This seems really overly complicated.

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Seriously Transcend, If you're lying about the mason thing, ur gonna get blacklisted by everyone in this game.

Nah, he isn't going to get blacklisted by me. By his response, I know he's fake.

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Why do you think kraska is town?

I'll second this - I would rather lynch Elyse, but the Kraska push feels valid to me.

Do you think they are on the same team? Both are voting each other. While Elyse threw the L-1 vote at Maria, Kraska came crashing down on Elyse by attacking/voting her. I don't see the two aligned, and Elyse's play has been far scummier in my opinion.

PS - Someone attacked Kraska for having too many town reads/not being aggressive Day 1. I think having too many town reads is not how scum like to play, they like to keep their options open and allow for easy flip flopping later, so I respectfully disagree with that point.

Your tunnel on me sucks.

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no one's going to support a lynch on a mason d1

Agreed. No one is voting a mason as there are not masons to vote.

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I mean I can understand the "Elyse could be bandwagoning!" but her vote wasn't even the worst. That belongs to Karnos or are we all just writing him off b/c he's new?

I'm not writing off anyone yet for the most part. Maria is scum but Transcend had to be all dumb and fake claim masons as scum, so today is just going to be twiddling our asses.

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*fakeclaim masons with scum. (Meaning Maria scum Transcend town).

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VC please

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Well, if you want to talk, I am here ish...

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uh........

i tr'd her because of her tone and because she had two initial scumreads i had.

i still have the mich one, but you're fucking obvious town again.

Why didn't you say this instead of faking masons? It's not like it's ongoing games.

Why didn't you consider that MariaR could be scum hoodwinking you?

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Gonna get on my comp in a sec cause y'all are pissing me off for now

VOTE: karnos

Is Karnos doing something more scummy, or is Elyse doing something less scummy?
I mean, I know I'm suggesting that you're just opportunistically vote hopping, but I'd love to hear your version.

Where is my sheep this button?

Oh wait, I'm already voting there.

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Will get to this in the morning.

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i really hate insufferable cunts like you that deathtunnel me JJD.

You use this word again, I will vote you in any game. Mason buddy or not. (Not a mason claim).

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God, 7 pages while I am asleep?

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Can you stop for two fucking seconds and acknowledge that there is a

chance

that my "gambit" was intended to benefit the town and not to benefit my scum game?

There's a chance either way. You lied trying to take the decision away from us to impose your will. People are naturally going to be pissed about that and want to vote you.

Now, you want to talk? Justify your Maria read in light of their recent posting of asskissing. You read like someone who desperately WANTS their read on Maria to be right and tailors everything to that. I think it's making you look like scum. Show me the scumreaders on you are wring.

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K hi welcome to this. The way the mason claim came about was ass backwards compared to what happened here. But Titus was getting wagoned and claimed masons with a town that was white knighting her. The WKing town reluctantly obliged to be fakeclaimed masons with her.

I can hear them howling

Yes, I see round about what you're getting at. We should discuss that more mason buddy but do be carefully.

Wasn't going to let you get lynched

I am familiar with that game. She did it because there was no justification she could give that wasn't an ongoing game. You did it because you were losing an argument. She let it go when the mason buddy failed to keep the charade. You tried to push it with obvious mechanical defects.

Your claim looks like you just forcing your way more than being willing to evaluate your reads.

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Losing an argument?

Was I the one even being lynched?

It was

HER

getting lynched and not ME.

Right but you threw a fit at that. That's why you claimed mason.

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i have justified my reasons for lynching michel, you're just a fucking ignorant twat.

You are rapidly not making me care if you live or die.

Why is the asskissing that passes for Maria town?

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And if I'm scum, how does Town!Maria getting lynched hurt my game?

Easy pocketing?

Even then, the question assumes you are not buddies.

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Is pocketing the best strategy for scum!me or is ousting a town number the better strategy........ and not just that but ousting a town number on like page 5 or some shit when they were already at L-1 or some shit.

VOTE: Transcend

There's not a chance in hell the best scum strategy can be determined without knowing who the scum are and their roles and their tendencies.

However, scum would know a page 5 wagon is unlikely to go through and could defend for credit. Your repeated refusal to show how Maria's conduct today is townie opens this or buddies as possibilities.

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Oh and a third personal insult against JarJar, unmentionable, twat and dumb. Eat rope.

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well what a scummy vote that was lol

Flail more.

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Wow, Transcend is up to personal insult number 4 rather than reevaluating his "reads". Maybe cuz they are fake.

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Thor, join me on Transcend. If we are both alive tomorrow, we can lynch Maria. He's flailing hard core after JarJar caught him. We can only lynch one scum today.

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Hey SS, you should vote Transcend. Bring him to L minus 1.

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Thor, we can just lynch him. It's clear that's all he has.

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Thor, join me on Transcend. If we are both alive tomorrow, we can lynch Maria. He's flailing hard core after JarJar caught him. We can only lynch one scum today.

He is not flailing in a scummy manner, and you are being blinded by annoyance or are attempting to sell me on annoyance as a scummy way to secure sheep. Neither option thrills me.

He is.

When I ask him to support how Maria's posting has been town in the past 48 hours, he attacks me.
When JarJar highlights that Transcend has been tunnelling for 30 pages with hot air, Transcend unlocks a bevy of personal attacks.
When Transcend sees Maria pushed, he fakeclaims.
When caught, he weasels.

He will never ever justify an opinion because he doesn't have any.

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Personal insult tracker 5

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i have no completed games to my knowledge with blitz. i know they're an alt of someone but i can't figure out for the life of me whom.

Oh come on. We know this is shit. You cannot claim that I fake claimed masons and then not know who I am.

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The personal insult tracker is to 6. (Braindead)

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i have no completed games to my knowledge with blitz. i know they're an alt of someone but i can't figure out for the life of me whom.

Oh come on. We know this is shit. You cannot claim that I fake claimed masons and then not know who I am.

Well I thought you were one person then another post you made changed my mind.

Nah, don't think so. You are retconning.

Oh and Thor isn't showing signs of offense?

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The personal insult tracker is to 6. (Braindead)

you're not helping...

Really, he's either clueless or deliberately insulting players as a strategy. If he's clueless, I am helping him. If it's a strategy, the mod should be aware of this to take action.

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dunno what that is

Retroactive continuity is where people try to change the obvious to fit a particular narrative.

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The personal insult tracker is to 6. (Braindead)

you're not helping...

Really, he's either clueless or deliberately insulting players as a strategy. If he's clueless, I am helping him. If it's a strategy, the mod should be aware of this to take action.

ya but thor's a hairs length away from replacing out and that post isnt helping stop that

It is if Transcend is clueless to his actions.

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if he's spineless enough to replace out due to a little bit of dirty talk then so be it. it's an aggressive game, people will get heated up.

@Mod: Do something about this or I am gone too.

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if he's spineless enough to replace out due to a little bit of dirty talk then so be it. it's an aggressive game, people will get heated up.

@Mod: Do something about this or I am gone too.

tactical replace out

And now you attack my integrity.

Also, there's a difference between being heated and attacking players personally. I have seen my fair share of heated games. Yet, this recent turn towards not being civil human beings is not cool.

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Maria I hope you know that if you actually are town then I'm really disappointed

Only voting you cause I don't see any other wagon starting between and I tr giga over you sorry!

Translation: She's voting you because she's scum with giga.

Giga who refuses to finish reading the thread but has a townread on Maria.

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Thor, what are you talking about the vote on no one?

Do you think we can swing Maria? I don't want to Unvote one scum to chase another.

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elyse isn't going to go anywhere though, the wagon composition is awful. even if she is scum she isn't going to get lynched.

i'm not really sure who i want to vote though, which is why vote is parked for now.

Read: My counter wagon is town.

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God so much spam.

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Haven't got much time now, full post hopefully to follow later today.

I really don't want to lynch outside the fake mason claim. Nothing anyone else has done comes close in scummyness.

So with the momentum for a giga wagon completely gone:

Unvote

Vote: MariaR

Baaahhh!

VOTE: MariaR

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Haven't got much time now, full post hopefully to follow later today.

I really don't want to lynch outside the fake mason claim. Nothing anyone else has done comes close in scummyness.

So with the momentum for a giga wagon completely gone:

Unvote

Vote: MariaR

Baaahhh!

VOTE: MariaR

If you're town don't play with me again please you're truly unpleasant to play with

I know you're upset at being caught scum. Sorry.

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Notice how Gerry suddenly becomes active when he's getting lynched I voted you because you weren't a bad lynch and it was a lynch that wasn't giga so I voted you your reaction wasn't towny what so ever this isn't !town Gerry
The only reason you voted me was because I was the only counter wagon

Huh? Who are you talking to here?

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Notice how Gerry suddenly becomes active when he's getting lynched I voted you because you weren't a bad lynch and it was a lynch that wasn't giga so I voted you your reaction wasn't towny what so ever this isn't !town Gerry
The only reason you voted me was because I was the only counter wagon

Huh? Who are you talking to here?

Gerry

You refer to Gerry in the third person though?

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VOTE: Elyse

hammered.

Prob the most random vote ever doesn't even say why he wants to vote Elyse just jumps on the BW adding a joke with his bw "slip" Gerry isn't a noob he wouldn't do a fake gambit slip like that as town if he can fake traitor claims as scum he for sure knows how to not slip as town (he has over 4 trophies of playing mafia btw)

Faking a hammer can draw reactions.

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@JarJar, It does because I never believed the mason claim. "Peacemaker" is a common scum tactic.

@Nero, Alts happen for a reason.

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VLA today feeling ill

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Can we lynch Giga now?

VOTE: Giga

VLA today flu

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Giga's still scum guys. He's hopping on whatever the cool wagon is. There were like 5 different wagons in response to the giga slot. They are scum.

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Oh look, another half-hearted Giga wagon counter push to attempt to rolefish.

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I think giga is scum. I think transcend did a gambit and tried to buddy maria the town. giga has also seemingly been ok with voting pretty much anyone so far.

VOTE: giga

This.

Giga will vote anyone and practically every slot has been counterwagoned against Giga. Might as well be a neon sign scum aren't bussing and Giga is scum.

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Skimming. I see that I'm in hammer range by scum.

I'm the doctor. GG town we lost.

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Nice try
This is giga's way of poking people
And scum try to opportunistically push wagons on her every game she's in for this reason
Your read on karnos and gerry pls?

Karnos and Gerry are both town.

If they'd actually sheep me, we'd be in a great position to lynch scum.

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^^^ Giga is scum. That's a scum post right there. He wants to just lynch people who FoS him rather than scumhunt. His response is no scumteam I was in kills IaI, no scumplay I have makes sense with Maria town. That's wifom we've treated over. Let's put Giga scum to bed and get me the information to find his buddies.

I am leaning towards Elyse or Nero being his buddy but not both.

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And lets just ignore the scum motivation in wanting a player dead that they can't kill at night.

Agreed that's why you're coming after me because I see the desperation to wagon everyone but Giga.

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More votes on Giga would be gr8

This.

I mean, scum aren't even trying anymore. They're just voting the annoying PR at this point doing everything to save Giga.

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The fact that Blitz hasn't said who she protected yet makes me confident that she's scum.

And gerry's 1689 is terrible. "I'm not hammering Blitz cause she's townish" Are you kidding me?

Blitz/gerry/{karnos, Thor, Shadow} is the team.

Why should I? Outing who I protected just gives scum information about who I protect.

Your attack on Gerry is also bad. You're professing a scumread solely based on him not doing what you want.

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I'm not hammering Blitz lol. He seems townish to me. I also will not vote who giga is voting, as I think he's scum. Mostly looking back on what Transcend did. I think he tried to buddy town by protecting Maria with the mason claim.

Didn't you think Maria is scum? and were one of many who advocated that lynch or didn't fight it? Why couldn't transcends actions reflect a town motivation of wanting to protect his townread? Did you miss the part were he retracted his claim after being threatened with blacklisting? Why would scumtranscend who's using this gambit to his win condition be afraid of that

Yes, I thought one of them was scum. I thought Maria was scum cause she had an awful reason for fosing me. Not my fault she had a bad reason

Why couldn't transcends actions reflect a town motivation of wanting to protect his townread? Did you miss the part were he retracted his claim after being threatened with blacklisting? Why would scumtranscend who's using this gambit to his win condition be afraid of that

Scum or town can both fear blacklisting. When those threats come out, it indicates a lack of enjoyment.

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Thor is trying to get me to vote Shadow over Blitz when I, as town, have no reason to vote one scum read over the other.

Yes, you do. Mislynch me has fatal consequences. Like we lose levels.

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Wait lol did u just call urself annoying pr haha :p

People get annoyed by me a lot because I do not sugarcoat to save egos when town.

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ppl get annoyed with you in games b/c as town you tunnel for silly reasons. Here ppl are less annoyed and more scumreading you b/c your whole scumhunting and game solveness boils down to reactions and scum reading those that scumread you.

Read: Silly reasons = I cannot take being wrong on Transcend.

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What do you think of Thor?

Town, pretty obviously so. Do I need to hold your hand?

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The fact that Blitz hasn't said who she protected yet makes me confident that she's scum.

And gerry's 1689 is terrible. "I'm not hammering Blitz cause she's townish" Are you kidding me?

Blitz/gerry/{karnos, Thor, Shadow} is the team.

Why should I? Outing who I protected just gives scum information about who I protect.

Your attack on Gerry is also bad. You're professing a scumread solely based on him not doing what you want.

The customary thing to do when claiming a PR after night 1 is to claim your actions as well. You not doing that makes it seem like more of a fakeclaim.

And no, I'm not scumreading gerry for not doing what I want. When there is a wagon at L-1 on a doctor stalled out, you need to give more insight than "She's townish".

Nice defense of him though. I'll make sure he goes after you.

It's customary if that info helps town. Here, it doesn't. I don't care what it seems like. If town doesn't learn to play smart, we don't deserve to win.

Yeah, you are.

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People have this innuendo that I am ZOMG awesome scum, so I have to be perfect town or queasy feelings. I Have been ill and did not rush to lead because doctor. To reasses a townread based off information is townie.

Plus, alting is a thing. I do it periodically because you learn a lot. It is no coincidence that I picked up scumreads after Transcend outed my main.

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When your scumreads consist of everyone off a wagon, when that's mathmatically impossible, yet you refuse to reasses, it suggests desperate scum here. You and Elyse are both doing that and flailing hard. The threats to Thor for instance don't go unnoticed.

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Scumhunting check
Wagon analysis sub check
Trying while sick check
Playing to role check

Why aren't you townreading me? I swear, you always get into these fucking tit for tat with me and I cannot tell if it's legit or you have to be an ass.

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That I take as a fair question.

I have been not feeling well on and off for months. You should see a pattern when I feel better I post more, generally speaking.

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I was actually sick and you were being an asshole.

The effort you see here should look very different from Street Fighter. I happened to be sick in both because I was actually sick.

Lol.

I have Prescott, and I don't mind talking trades but don't hinge it on a mafia game.

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I'm also going to agree with Elyse that not outting your doc target is kinda awful. Like, if you were a town doc

(and you obviously didn't block a kill)

scum already know the alignments of everyone her (barring Traitor or SK) so I don't really see a reason you shouldn't.

I actually think I did. Of course, I cannot prove that without having a vig step forward.

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I think IaI was a big shot.

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but blackmail!

You know, it has to be redmail. It is my favorite color.

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What makes you think we have a vig and why do you think you think that you blocked the scum kill and not the vigs kill?

It resolves interactions without anyone being dumb as IAI does not make sense as a scum kill.

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@All - Shadow is a counter wagon to Gigs scum. Therefore, Shadow's town.

@Thor/JarJar - It isn't wrong. Scum know who they shot but not even they know if they were not hit by a roleblocker or something. This is likely role madness but for a VT. That's not Giga though.

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Blitz, u said that info wont help town. Well if u really are a doc that truly believes he blocked scums attack and are about to get lynched, u don't think that information would be hugely beneficial?

Like ud be giving us practically confirmed town.

If I KNEW I did, yes. I don't know that I did.

What if scum did a troll kill and I healed a vig kill? Were role blocked because role madness? My name wouldn't be conftown.

By outing that information and being wrong, I tell scum there's a roleblocker or no vig.
By being right, I encourage a hammer by scum who will just say lol don't believe you.