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I Am Innocent · Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:56 pm

vote blitzkrieg

I Am Innocent · Post Post #32 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:44 am

In post 25, Transcend wrote:We cannot ascertain whether the vote that Blitz made was her being scum strengthening the BW to achieve a ML or town applying pressure to get the game going.

So if applying pressure to get the game going is townie, why is a wagon on blitz a bad thing?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #33 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:47 am

In post 31, Transcend wrote:your naked vote and iai's naked vote mean nothing to me.

mich's reasoning for voting sounds like bullshat scumtalk.

Ah so ur just so sure Michael is scum so blitz must be town?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #35 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:57 am

Why you yelling already it's only page 2. Nearly Half the game hasn't posted yet and blitz hasn't had a response to her L-3 wagon. Relax...

I Am Innocent · Post Post #37 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:57 am

L-4 I mean

I Am Innocent · Post Post #41 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:26 am

Elyse, u scum?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #136 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:25 am

In post 80, Blitzkrieg wrote:
In post 78, MariaR wrote:Where the F did I say "I want to stay in RVS stage!" I'm saying we're still in it

Michael's first posts have been a load of bs and feels like
he's trying to get something rolling on town (ironic cause I'm doing the same thing)

Jarjar made one post and it wasn't a joking post it was a chainsaw lynch post that was god awful
VOTE: MariaR

Explain the bolded.

This is a great post.

unvote blitzkrieg

Maria, why are you so sure the person* Michael is rolling is on town, as is the person** you are doing the same thing to?

* Blitzkrieg
** Shadow

Consider my vote on Maria at this time

I Am Innocent · Post Post #137 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:25 am

In post 126, Nero Cain wrote:my early gut says Tranced, Karnos and maybe Kranksa are scum

What are your thoughts on elyse?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #154 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:35 am

In post 136, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 80, Blitzkrieg wrote:
In post 78, MariaR wrote:Where the F did I say "I want to stay in RVS stage!" I'm saying we're still in it

Michael's first posts have been a load of bs and feels like
he's trying to get something rolling on town (ironic cause I'm doing the same thing)

Jarjar made one post and it wasn't a joking post it was a chainsaw lynch post that was god awful
VOTE: MariaR

Explain the bolded.
This is a great post.

unvote blitzkrieg

Maria, why are you so sure the person* Michael is rolling is on town, as is the person** you are doing the same thing to?

* Blitzkrieg
** Shadow

Consider my vote on Maria at this time

Maria care to address my question here?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #361 (isolation #9) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:34 am

In post 326, Thor665 wrote:
In post 320, kraska77 wrote:
In post 316, Thor665 wrote:
In post 312, kraska77 wrote:
In post 300, Thor665 wrote:
In post 296, kraska77 wrote:im mostly talking about her unprovoked early claim
I think Elyse was the only one who called that out as an issue, am I recalling that wrong?
Or is "Elyse" the sum total answer for how the AtE is backfiring on Maria?
elyse called it out
but i also thought it was really bad and almost reconsidered my read on her. just bc noone else came and said stuff doesnt mean i cant think her ate here wasnt helping her acquit herself
So you agree with me that her AtE actions look bad, even though you think the wagon is terrible?
If you think the wagon is terrible, but you kinda buy into the wagon...how does that work?
i already explained this before...we're just going around in circles at this point
the unprovoked nature of her claim and the way some of her reactions were kinda ott when the situation didnt warrant that makes me think this isnt scum
Okay, so her AtE *worked* on you? Right?
Like, if she's scum it worked.
If she's town and had an honest emotional reaction it also "worked" insomuch as you got an accurate read.

That is the opposite of a scum theory AtE backfire though - if she's scum (and this comment is based on that as a concept to rebut your stance), on you and JarJar her ploy "worked" correct?

So where is the "backfire" you're complaining about?
She seems to be two town reactions to one scum reaction. That's a win, maybe not a great one, but it's assuredly not a backfire.

Not going to lie, it is working on me too

I Am Innocent · Post Post #368 (isolation #10) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:39 am

In post 344, Transcend wrote:it's not a fake claim now unvote.

pedit: we don't have recruiting powers.

And there's this...

vote Elyse

I Am Innocent · Post Post #370 (isolation #11) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:43 am

In post 359, Blitzkrieg wrote:
In post 356, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 171, MariaR wrote:I was planning on voting Transcend and taking my meta tr back because I think people towntell best under a ton of pressure so if he could towntell it would make it easier for everyone to understand my townread on him like I already have.
Pressure from a mason partner usually works awesomely.
So are you doubting the mason claims or???

That's a pretty gutsy move D1 to tie yourself to your partner. Better off bussing imo.

If both are alive by Day x tho, then we start lynching them.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #373 (isolation #12) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:45 am

Her first post pinged me hard.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #374 (isolation #13) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:47 am

Her hop on Maria didn't help either.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #386 (isolation #14) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:00 am

In post 377, Transcend wrote:Why does Blitzkrieg get to vote MariaR but Elyse doesn't get to?

Because the post Blitz quoted and bolded part of looked like a scumslip by MariaR in knowing who TWO TOWN PLAYERS WERE.

That is what drew my attention (and soft vote) to MariaR and made me feel good about Blitz's slot.

In post 377, Transcend wrote:Why do you get to soft vote MariaR and call Elyse's jump on MariaR bad?

In post 155, Elyse wrote:VOTE: MariaR

L-1

Soft vote by me to keep her away from hammer range, Elyse actually puts her at L-1. See the difference? Oh and up to this point, Elyse had mentioned two scum reads, you and Michel....but now swoops in to put a 3rd player quickly at L-1.

In post 156, Elyse wrote:The premature claim seals the deal

Maria is a good enough player to not get flustered like this as town.

Calls out Maria's play as town, yet...

In post 158, MariaR wrote:
In post 156, Elyse wrote:The premature claim seals the deal

Maria is a good enough player to not get flustered like this as town.
Are you scum? You haven't seen me as town Elyse so how can you make such a statement that's quite untrue

...never has seen it as town.

In post 160, Elyse wrote:I don't need to see you as town

And her response. Take it for what it's worth.

*************

I've played twice with scum Elyse, first game I successfully called her out as scum Day 1 (was killed N1) and the second game we were teammates.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #390 (isolation #15) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:04 am

In post 383, Nero Cain wrote:everytime I play with masons they are the worst players in the game. Remember NY172 IAI?

Hmmm, you thinking of 179? I don't think I was in 172. There was the other one where I was scum with pisskop and there were 3 masons, think they were outted D1 in that one lol

I Am Innocent · Post Post #419 (isolation #16) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:03 am

In post 40, Elyse wrote:VOTE: MichelSableheart

Deciding between "of course my reasoning is forced" and Transcend's page 2 faux-rage was a toughie let me tell you

In post 49, Elyse wrote:
In post 43, Thor665 wrote:How is admitting that the reasoning is forced a scumtell?
I'm openly admitting to voting the biggest wagon because it's the biggest - that's an admission of lack of scum read and bandwagoning for the sake of a wagon. That's just as scummy.
What are you smoking here?
Michel seemed to be talking a big game and the sharp turn where he criticized his own wagon seemed off to me. It's not that he did it - it's that he did it after acting all confident.

Elyse why Kraska over michel?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #495 (isolation #17) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:17 am

In post 486, Nero Cain wrote:Also Elyse, town panic all the time even masons so your shade there is p dumb.

Why is it probably dumb and not probably scummy?

In post 486, Nero Cain wrote:Could MAAAAYYYBBBEEE see IAI as scum b/c his "oh if a mason doesn't die we should flip one!" is kinda scummy, like if he's scum he could just not shoot at the masons and thus throw shade thier way for not dying.

It's all good, I've had concerns about your slot as well so far.

Oh and read my post again, that is not exactly what I said...

In post 486, Nero Cain wrote:My stance is basicly a wait and see approach...

This is basically what I said too (note the underlined):

In post 370, I Am Innocent wrote:That's a pretty gutsy move D1 to tie yourself to your partner. Better off bussing imo.

If both are alive by
Day x
tho, then we start lynching them.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #497 (isolation #18) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:20 am

In post 489, Nero Cain wrote:Right now? My gut says this

scum in:

Shadow_step
karnos
I Am Innocent - Def Wrong
kraska77 - Prob Wrong

prob town:

MichelSableheart - Could be Wrong
MariaR
Blitzkrieg
JarJarDrinks
Thor665
Elyse - Prob Wrong
gerryoat
Transcend

The only thing is is that Michel's logic is kinda questionable and all over the place but he had pretty questionable and bad logic in the other game so I think thats more likely to be a Michel tell and/or a 2007 join date playing like 2007 meta.

Where I'm at...with you in the could be scum pile too.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #501 (isolation #19) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:22 am

In post 496, Nero Cain wrote:What are your concerns on my slot and why have you not voiced them?

I have not been aligned with you on many reads. Yes that causes me concern. Enough to push for a day 1 lynch on a good player, heck no. My focus is on Elyse, tho the read list I just added will show who I might be willing to compromise on.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #505 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:26 am

In post 502, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 495, I Am Innocent wrote:Why is it probably dumb and not probably scummy?
Why is it scummy and not dumb?

I asked you first.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #506 (isolation #21) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:31 am

In post 500, Thor665 wrote:
In post 498, Nero Cain wrote:Why do you think kraska is town?
I'll second this - I would rather lynch Elyse, but the Kraska push feels valid to me.

Do you think they are on the same team? Both are voting each other. While Elyse threw the L-1 vote at Maria, Kraska came crashing down on Elyse by attacking/voting her. I don't see the two aligned, and Elyse's play has been far scummier in my opinion.

PS - Someone attacked Kraska for having too many town reads/not being aggressive Day 1. I think having too many town reads is not how scum like to play, they like to keep their options open and allow for easy flip flopping later, so I respectfully disagree with that point.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #512 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:40 am

In post 503, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 501, I Am Innocent wrote:I have not been aligned with you on many reads

In post 497, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 489, Nero Cain wrote:Right now? My gut says this

scum in:

Shadow_step
karnos
I Am Innocent - Def Wrong
kraska77 - Prob Wrong

prob town:

MichelSableheart - Could be Wrong
MariaR
Blitzkrieg
JarJarDrinks
Thor665
Elyse - Prob Wrong
gerryoat
Transcend

The only thing is is that Michel's logic is kinda questionable and all over the place but he had pretty questionable and bad logic in the other game so I think thats more likely to be a Michel tell and/or a 2007 join date playing like 2007 meta.
Where I'm at...with you in the could be scum pile too.
other than yourself we disagree on 2 reads...I don't get it.

Well looking now yeah, but when I felt that way was well before your full reads list in Post 489, and before the Mason claims. Back when you were exclusively pushing Karnos, Shadow, and Kraska and ignoring Elyse. Felt like and odd list to me that didn't line up with mine at the time. The claims have changed things, as has Gerry showing up and making me feel better about that slot. POE does align us better, but I still don't like you ignoring Elyse at all.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #516 (isolation #23) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:46 am

In post 511, Elyse wrote:
In post 506, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 500, Thor665 wrote:
In post 498, Nero Cain wrote:Why do you think kraska is town?
I'll second this - I would rather lynch Elyse, but the Kraska push feels valid to me.
Do you think they are on the same team? Both are voting each other. While Elyse threw the L-1 vote at Maria, Kraska came crashing down on Elyse by attacking/voting her. I don't see the two aligned, and Elyse's play has been far scummier in my opinion.

PS - Someone attacked Kraska for having too many town reads/not being aggressive Day 1. I think having too many town reads is not how scum like to play, they like to keep their options open and allow for easy flip flopping later, so I respectfully disagree with that point.
Your tunnel on me sucks.

Self admitted tunneler here.

In Pick Your Power, LLD dropped the biggest D1 scum tell***, I called it out late Day 1 but nobody wanted to listen, and she ended up winning in MyLo. I promised myself after that game I'm not going to let that happen again.

***For those who haven't played with me, I don't say what these early game town and scum tells are cause once you do, people learn to avoid making these tells in future games.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #520 (isolation #24) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:52 am

In post 118, kraska77 wrote:
In post 109, Thor665 wrote:Dude, game is going and there are actually two potentially sexy wagons to be on - why you sidelining instead of sheeping me?
which wagons? maria and michel?
both wagons suck

In post 143, kraska77 wrote:@Jarjar and nero
What makes transcend scum? Bc I'm not seeing it

In post 182, kraska77 wrote:VOTE: elyse
if uve really seen scummaria before, u would know that scumher is consistent as f
this doesnt resemble her scumplay at all

Thor I see what you mean, but saying wagons suck and not seeing players as scum is transferable to a somewhat town read. If kraska later jumped on Maria, Michel, or Transcend later without good reason, she'd be strung up quicker than a kite.

Still I give town points to defending two claimed masons before it was cool to do so.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #523 (isolation #25) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:54 am

In post 517, Transcend wrote:K I'm not keen on getting blacklisted so I'm not mason, but i heavily believe you should not lynch MariaR.

This is going to be a fun one I can see...

Nero does this change your reads at all?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #530 (isolation #26) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:01 am

In post 524, Nero Cain wrote:or you know, kraska could just be scum that knows all the players are town.

And gives herself no easy targets to mislynch?

PS - the transcend confession does change things...I still think Elyse or Maria today, and preferably want Elyse. Like I said earlier, I'm a sucker for ATE...

I Am Innocent · Post Post #542 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:07 am

In post 538, Nero Cain wrote:in my eyes, i still wouldn't be sad if you guys died.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #549 (isolation #28) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:57 am

In post 544, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 505, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 502, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 495, I Am Innocent wrote:Why is it probably dumb and not probably scummy?
Why is it scummy and not dumb?
I asked you first.
You did! But I see no reason that it is more likely to come from scum Elyse than dumb town Elyse. I'd be willing to compromise and call it scumbyy.

Depends on if you think élysé is a dumb player or not. I personally think she is pretty solid.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #574 (isolation #29) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:14 pm

In post 570, JarJarDrinks wrote:Great post

Did you feel the passion in those questions too?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #575 (isolation #30) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:16 pm

In post 572, MariaR wrote:Now that you know the mason claim is fake why are people not voting me nothing has seemingly changed so I want to know what happened?

ATE got me plus elyse has a greater chance of flipping in my opinion.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #576 (isolation #31) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:19 pm

In post 573, MariaR wrote:I also tr the mason play from him because it just seems something that Transcend would do for instance if someone like Gerry did that I'd be semi fishy with it with Transcend I wasn't at all fishy with it

I'm going to play a game with you which is called "pretend ur town"

Are you so confident that town transcend would be able to read you as town and thus pull a gambit like this to save you? Forget the risk of outing a possible other mason group had there been a CC...

I mean all I've heard is how great your scum game is...

Ur town read on him for doing such a thing is what scares me the most.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #578 (isolation #32) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:23 pm

I mean Nero here knows my play better than anyone yet I'm not shocked that he has a questionable read on me D1. If he pulled a gambit like that to save me I'm death tunneling him until the end of the game, no way town Nero would ever be that confident in his read on me to do such a thing

I Am Innocent · Post Post #581 (isolation #33) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:29 pm

In post 577, Nero Cain wrote:unless kraska comes back and wow us I see no reason that shouldn't hang today.

I wish you and I could get on the same page for once we'd tear this crap up lol

Usually by D3 u realize ur mistakes and come around to my thinking... ;p

I Am Innocent · Post Post #589 (isolation #34) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:41 pm

I was all over flubber D1, post 470 even mention how he dropped a few earl game scum tells lol. I forget how right these usually are

I Am Innocent · Post Post #590 (isolation #35) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:43 pm

In post 588, MariaR wrote:Is every game on this site townsided to hell?

Town sided cause me and Nero rocked it late game. TTH was also good as was maybe 1 or 2 other players

I Am Innocent · Post Post #591 (isolation #36) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:44 pm

In post 589, I Am Innocent wrote:I was all over flubber D1, post 470 even mention how he dropped a few earl game scum tells lol. I forget how right these usually are

Vote élysé peeps.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #601 (isolation #37) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:01 pm

In post 596, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 591, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 589, I Am Innocent wrote:I was all over flubber D1, post 470 even mention how he dropped a few earl game scum tells lol. I forget how right these usually are
Vote élysé peeps.
I'll drop some stuff after Kranska getsback/stops lurking.

What do you think about Shadow?

Just looked at his ISO and I felt zero emotion there. Really bad :-/

I Am Innocent · Post Post #605 (isolation #38) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:03 pm

In post 598, Elyse wrote:
In post 530, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 524, Nero Cain wrote:or you know, kraska could just be scum that knows all the players are town.
And gives herself no easy targets to mislynch?

PS - the transcend confession does change things...I still think Elyse or Maria today, and preferably want Elyse. Like I said earlier, I'm a sucker for ATE...
You act like saying someone isn't scummy on page 4 means you can never scumread them again

No but explanations would be needed. Most scum don't like the extra work...

I Am Innocent · Post Post #606 (isolation #39) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:04 pm

In post 602, Nero Cain wrote:quick Elyse ATE it up so IAI votes kraska!

I Am Innocent · Post Post #608 (isolation #40) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:05 pm

Transcend 604 need more caps me thinks

I Am Innocent · Post Post #612 (isolation #41) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:08 pm

Really 569 felt like one of my scum posts where I just ask a bunch of questions and make a few points to look like I'm trying to scum hunt.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #615 (isolation #42) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:09 pm

In post 610, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 604, Transcend wrote:u know, so that you guys would actually have a chance at lynching mafia.
says that player bot voting scum.

I <3 my mason buddy. Glad we never needed to CC lol

I Am Innocent · Post Post #616 (isolation #43) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:10 pm

In post 613, Elyse wrote:
In post 602, Nero Cain wrote:quick Elyse ATE it up so IAI votes kraska!
Lol

I actually AtE far more often as scum

I'm a sucker for lady tears...

I Am Innocent · Post Post #619 (isolation #44) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:11 pm

My wife just came in the bedroom and asked why I'm smiling at my phone. I had to admit that me and Nero are having a little too much fun lol

I Am Innocent · Post Post #621 (isolation #45) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:12 pm

In post 618, Nero Cain wrote:Why is IAI towny?

Cause of my role pm?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #627 (isolation #46) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:17 pm

In post 624, Transcend wrote:Idiots.

Or scum

I Am Innocent · Post Post #650 (isolation #47) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:24 am

Michel who else do u think may be scum other than transcend?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #660 (isolation #48) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:18 am

In post 652, MichelSableheart wrote:Both shadowstep and Karnos have contributed virtually nothing useful, and could easily be lurking scum.

I've overall been happy with how this day has gone, with the exception of these two. Time to get them sorted... Warning to both, start playing in the next 24 hours or receive my vote. Reads list would be a great start.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #720 (isolation #49) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:21 am

In post 718, JarJarDrinks wrote:@trans, u got a reason why u think Michel is scum?

I'm actually more interested why he thinks karnos is town.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #980 (isolation #50) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:44 am

In post 929, Thor665 wrote:
In post 901, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 893, Thor665 wrote:Because literally the best case I could make is "he's derp tunneling" and I don't think tunneling is scummy, I just think it causes some anti-town issues occasionally.
There's no way he can have such a strong scumread on Michel. Michel looks fine. Just like there's no way he can have such a strong townread on maria.

It looks like he decided what his reads were gonna be and then looked for reasons after the fact. Go reread his ISO. Look @ how many times he calls Michel scum w/o posting any real reason. He never tries to convince anyone that Michel is scum. He knows damn well that screaming "OMG HE'S OBVSCUM" isn't gonna get anyone to follow him.
I will agree his play is terrible.
Both Maria and I have played with him before and don't seem utterly shocked at this play.
Go read some of his games and then get back to me with a claim that this is a valid scumtell.
And please don't ask me to defend his play.

In post 914, Transcend wrote:well what a scummy vote that was lol
That vote was not scummy at all - you're being intentionally offensive and Blitz is reacting to it.
You're not even mouthing off at me and I'm already rather tired of your posting method here.

@Mod - I would like to request a force replace of Transcend for repeated attacks of a personal nature. If You find his behavior acceptable, or desire to only give him a warning could you kindly replace me. I have no desire to play in a game with behavior like this as it removes my fun and makes it not a game. Thank you.

In post 1, chilledtea wrote:(Some parts borrowed from BulletNLynchProof)

General Rules :

6) No personal attacks.

See this thread has blown up, and Kraska's quote of Thor has got me looking thru his ISO and seeing the request above which does not make me happy. Thor and Nero were the reason I jumped into this game, and if he replaces out I do too.

I understand the quote above from the mod is the least enforced rule on MS, but I laughed early game as Maria/Transcend continually broke this rule with subtle insults like calling people numbskulls and such. I've got thick skin and can understand how this game can get heated, so I usually brush this stuff off. Not sure what happened since the thread blew up, but I'm assuming it must have escalated if Thor is this upset.

Sorry mod, I thought this was a great game with generally good participation, but at this point it looks like someone needs to go. I suggest the culprit to Rule #6 above...

I Am Innocent · Post Post #992 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:11 am

In post 988, Transcend wrote:i didn't figure you did. especially since it's pretty clear cut i didn't mean anything i said to you anyways.

Then why say it? Is it your way of trying to be funny? Cause I have laughed at oh, say, zero of your insults thus far. If you want to troll, there are lots of places to go so do it there. If you want to play mafiascum, then be considerate of those you play with.

As for being a wimp, maybe you should consider the reason I'm willing to sub out. If Thor subbed out because of real life issues, like time commitments or health issues, I'd say adios and hope to see u soon, and I'd keep playing. But when one of the most respected posters here is willing to bail out due to someone continually insulting a 3rd person, I stand by that poster.

If that makes me a wimp, well I guess I just don't understand the meaning of the word...

I Am Innocent · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:25 am

In post 1105, karnos wrote:Yeah, after forther review I see no reason to move my vote. Shadow_step increases in scum level by 50dkp, but transcend's slot is still scummy after the replace.

Sorry, the fake masonry is a big deal. It wasn't an obvious joke and it had a lot of potentially to seriously hurt town via real mason CC or by reading Maria wrong.

Big deal yes? Scummy debatable.

The question I've asked myself is what reason does scum transcend do that for:

1) Town Maria
2) Scum Maria

I see more of a reason for #2 and less for #1.

Then when you factor him backing off for potentially being blacklisted, why does scum transcend back off for #1 and #2 above?

The wagon on Maria was dying by the time he backed off, but once again a scum gambit would never get him black listed so what benefit unless both are scum.

I find scum transcend town Maria as the least likely combination of the 4.

The fact brought up by JJD earlier that élysé was so sure the mason was fake and losing some lynch options makes me wonder if élysé and Maria could be scum mates. Could the élysé l-1 vote on Maria been a stab at town cred? The Maria vote to karnos from élysé despite having élysé in the scum bucket is off too.

Right now the 3 people I think should be the lynch candidates today are élysé shadow and Maria. The Gigi wagon is dumb, and I want everyone on it to tell me what im missing above and why Gigi before Maria?

Ps - sorry just remember the ascetic claim, if that's the reason just state that...

I Am Innocent · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:34 am

In post 477, Elyse wrote:
In post 473, MariaR wrote:I thought she meant it as in my game is wavering in this game and it was pretty perfect in the scum game so she thinks I'm town that logic seems fine to me or did you take it a dif way
You think it's ok to base a meta read on one game of experience?

Especially now that you say you change every game?

ughghdfhsgdsfad stupid mason claim I want to lynch you with fire

Yeah quick ISO read shows they're not scum mates. This is just one of many posts that shows this :-/

I Am Innocent · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:43 am

Élysé u willing to vote shadow?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1160 (isolation #55) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:33 pm

That was a townie reaction. :-/

unvote elyse

Leaning towards a Maria or shadow flash lynch instead. Whose game?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1163 (isolation #56) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:36 pm

Kraska I'm unsure of now too.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1164 (isolation #57) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:37 pm

Maria would u vote Kraska or shadow?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1172 (isolation #58) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:57 pm

In post 1165, MariaR wrote:
In post 1163, I Am Innocent wrote:Kraska I'm unsure of now too.
sr me all you want but I promise Kraska and Giga are both town here
I wouldn't vote Kraska I'd have to do a re read on shadow to see if I wanted to vote in Elyse/Shadow

Can you tell me how you feel about Sable/Bliz/Karnos though?

To be honest this game state has felt very stagnant for too long. I take partial blame for it cause elyse was always one of the leading wagons and I left my vote there as I felt confident she was scum. Now not so confident.

I really suspect shadow. When I threw out his name to élysé to get her thoughts he responded I was defending my scum mate karnos. Really was a ridiculous over reaction on his part. So if shadow is scum karnos is town. No way those two are scum together and I lean heavily that shadow is the scum of the two.

Blitz I have found as town posting most of the game. Sable has felt robotic, but I checked out a recent scum game wondering if he is always this mechanical as scum but his play seemed more aggressive. So the difference is enough to give me pause on his slot.

So long story short id kinda like a flash wagon to maybe catch scum unawares. Shadow is my best guess at the moment.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1175 (isolation #59) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:00 pm

In post 1119, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1116, I Am Innocent wrote:Élysé u willing to vote shadow?
Not like the wagon on your buddy Karnos?

Not a fan from someone who I can't remember having any interaction with :-/

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1177 (isolation #60) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:06 pm

In post 1174, MariaR wrote:People change there game a lot so idk if you should base a read on sable due to meta

flash lynching on a lurker scares the shit out of me because 1) Could be a pr 2) If it's really scum they'll prob claim pr anyway 3) We get no info

1 is true of lurker and non lurker alike. If u feel that strongly we lynch among u, Gigi or élysé.

2 will self resolve over the course of the game

3 there is always info. If I'm pushing town shadow and it protects scum u or scum élysé that would come out later in the game...

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1205 (isolation #61) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:02 pm

vote shadow

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1332 (isolation #62) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:51 am

kraska is moving up my scum list pretty quickly

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1333 (isolation #63) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:52 am

kraska what's ur read on shadow?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1366 (isolation #64) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:57 am

In post 1334, Shadow_step wrote:IAI, why are you ignoring my questions?

What question, this:

In post 1206, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1205, I Am Innocent wrote:
vote shadow
??

I thought I explained my latest and main problem with you here:

In post 1175, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 1119, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 1116, I Am Innocent wrote:Élysé u willing to vote shadow?
Not like the wagon on your buddy Karnos?
Not a fan from someone who I can't remember having any interaction with :-/

If there's another question I missed, please point me to it.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1367 (isolation #65) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:00 am

In post 1363, kraska77 wrote:
This Maria wagon is bad
maria, Nero, iai, giga, shadow, gerry
Get on blitz or karnos with me pls

I just said ur working up my scum list and you want me to vote with you?

How about u bus shadow and try to gain some town cred?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1369 (isolation #66) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:04 am

Edited with latest two votes.

karnos and kraska, pick one of the main 3 wagons. time to start consolidating peeps

In post 1344, chilledtea wrote:
OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.15

MariaR (L-1) : Thor665, MichelSableheart, gerryoat, Blitzkrieg, gigabyteTroubadour, JarJarDrinks

gerryoat (L-4) : MariaR, Shadow_step, Elyse.

Shadow_step (L-5) : I Am Innocent, Nero Cain.

gigabyteTroubadour (L-6) : karnos.

Blitzkrieg (L-6) : kraska77.

Not Voting (0) :

Day will end in (expired on 2016-09-13 10:30:00)

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1371 (isolation #67) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:07 am

ok work by voting shadow

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1374 (isolation #68) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:10 am

blitz who has one vote and karnos who has two votes. u want a viable counter wagon to maria, help by putting shadow at L-4.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1375 (isolation #69) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:10 am

*karnos who has no votes

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1378 (isolation #70) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:17 am

In post 1377, kraska77 wrote:So no I won't vote him

ok, noted.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1380 (isolation #71) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:20 am

In post 1379, karnos wrote: Maria, make your case, claim.

really, a claim?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1384 (isolation #72) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:24 am

In post 1382, karnos wrote:
In post 1380, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 1379, karnos wrote: Maria, make your case, claim.
really, a claim?
Good point, it's almost pointless to wait. I think I'll just hammer now.

yeah, since nero claimed cop and thor doctor, maria can't be anything really worthwhile...

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1385 (isolation #73) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:25 am

kraska u really think karnos is scum???

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1391 (isolation #74) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:29 am

In post 1387, karnos wrote:More like I was thinking, after lying about being a Mason is any claim going to be believable?

Not really.

What about shadow...his wagon is growing?

You can always move to Maria later...

Let's make this exciting peeps!

I Am Innocent · Post Post #1393 (isolation #75) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:30 am

In post 106, karnos wrote:VOTE: Shadow_step I don't like this new avatar.

Come on karnos, remember that avatar u hate!!!

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2622 (isolation #76) » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:26 am

I really enjoyed playing this game, and following it after I died.

Well played mich. As you'll see in the dead thread I was between u and kraska in MyLo. Surprised town didn't consider more:

1) why would blitz use the doc claim to try to save herself later in the game, but if elyse was scum, she'd have had to be the doc yet she claimed VT D1 at L-1???
2) and if elyse went before shadow, shadow would have been autolynched after elyse had fake claimed VT as scum doc, and shadow confirmed that fake claim day 2.

Overall I was okay with the balance. I thought both sides played fairly well (town reading other town correctly, scum with some good calls on NKs), and to have it come down to a MyLo scum win confirms it for me.

Thanks for modding CT!