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[zakk]

if dwlee flips scum

that's this scenario:

antihero - ALMOST conftown
nosferatu - ALMOST conftown
zakk - CONFTOWN
suzune - CONFTOWN
ranger - hurrr durrr
dunnstral - unlikely hero

then one of the masons will die most likely since we're more conftown than antihero, and there's no way to stop me from lynching scum, but they have to chance antihero getting results, so it'd be this, with an antihero result:

antihero - ALMOST conftown
nosferatu - ALMOST conftown
suzune - CONFTOWN
ranger - hurrr durrr
dunnstral - unlikely hero

but then even if antihero dies, it's:

nosferatu - ALMOST conftown
zakk - CONFTOWN
suzune - CONFTOWN
ranger - hurrr durrr
dunnstral - unlikely hero

and then we just lynch ranger

and from there, we pray it's right

[zakk]

but for safety's sake let's get this filled out

just to be sure what's goin' on with everyone

and so everyone has taken a stance.

also still waiting on peeps:

@everyone:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

antihero
nosferatu
dwlee
dunnstral
ranger

and why?

scum possibilities / pairs

Spoiler: zakk (Dwlee/Ranger/Nos)

dwlee-nos (explained in recent posts)
ranger-nos (explained this all game)

(also, dunnstral might be convincing me of dwlee/ranger)

Spoiler: nosferatu (Dwlee/Dunnstral/Ranger)

scum is definitely in {dwlee, dunnstral, ranger}

Spoiler: Dunnstral (Ranger/Dwlee team)

iso dunnstral from
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8211794
to
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8211902

cross off the list:

• zakk doesn't think it's Dunn/Dwlee

[zakk]

yea nos i'm kinda getting on that dwlee/ranger hype

pls hold until tomorrow. lol

[zakk]

dwlee's ranger interactions are worse than dwlee's you interactions anyway

[zakk]

the yes I do is to earlier in the post where zakk asks if I think he is scum

5334

10021999

are you going to answer my question or aren't you?

this is your chance to put up a fight if you're town

this is your chance to go down like a lead zeppelin just like in mass effect, if you're scum

your choice

It is you and suzune. I've already answered it

"you and suzune" isn't an answer to:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

antihero
nosferatu
dwlee
dunnstral
ranger

and why?

feel free to answer whenever you're ready

[zakk]

@everyone:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

antihero
nosferatu
dwlee
dunnstral
ranger

and why?

zakk it's like you're expecting me to have concrete opinions that never change or something

cool whatever answer 5334

is zakk and suzune an option

we're not scum, so no

yeah i don't give a fuck.




aaaand, so you're individually town reading nosferatu.

cool whatever answer 5334

do you think 495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554 imply that you and dunnstral could be on the same scum team?

or do you think it implies that you're not?

yes, I do.
And I think it implies we're not both scum cause, yknow, I'm town.

cool whatever

i don't give a fuck

so then

again

answer 5334 or i swear i will push this lynch through on you right now

the yes I do is to earlier in the post where zakk asks if I think he is scum

5334

the yes I do is to earlier in the post where zakk asks if I think he is scum

5334

10021999

the yes I do is to earlier in the post where zakk asks if I think he is scum

5334

10021999

are you going to answer my question or aren't you?

this is your chance to put up a fight if you're town

this is your chance to go down like a lead zeppelin just like in mass effect, if you're scum

your choice

but for safety's sake let's get this filled out

just to be sure what's goin' on with everyone

and so everyone has taken a stance.

also still waiting on peeps:

@everyone:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

antihero
nosferatu
dwlee
dunnstral
ranger

and why?

scum possibilities / pairs

Spoiler: zakk (Dwlee/Ranger/Nos)

dwlee-nos (explained in recent posts)
ranger-nos (explained this all game)

(also, dunnstral might be convincing me of dwlee/ranger)

Spoiler: nosferatu (Dwlee/Dunnstral/Ranger)

scum is definitely in {dwlee, dunnstral, ranger}

Spoiler: Dunnstral (Ranger/Dwlee team)

iso dunnstral from
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8211794
to
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8211902

cross off the list:

• zakk doesn't think it's Dunn/Dwlee

the yes I do is to earlier in the post where zakk asks if I think he is scum

5334

10021999

are you going to answer my question or aren't you?

this is your chance to put up a fight if you're town

this is your chance to go down like a lead zeppelin just like in mass effect, if you're scum

your choice

It is you and suzune. I've already answered it

the yes I do is to earlier in the post where zakk asks if I think he is scum

5334

10021999

are you going to answer my question or aren't you?

this is your chance to put up a fight if you're town

this is your chance to go down like a lead zeppelin just like in mass effect, if you're scum

your choice

It is you and suzune. I've already answered it

"you and suzune" isn't an answer to:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

antihero
nosferatu
dwlee
dunnstral
ranger

and why?

feel free to answer whenever you're ready

any pair not involving nosferatu

only took fucking nine times asking

for you to provide even a SEMBLANCE of a response


so which pair works best for you?

dunn/anti
dwlee/dunn
dunn/ranger
ranger/dwlee
anti/ranger
dwlee/anti

out of those 6, it's beginning more and more to look like one of those is correct.

[zakk]

still waiting on

Antihero

,

Suzune

, and

Ranger

:

@everyone:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

antihero
nosferatu
dwlee
dunnstral
ranger

and why?

scum possibilities / pairs:

Spoiler: zakk (Dwlee/Ranger/Nos)

could see any of:
Dwlee/Nosferatu
Ranger/Nosferatu
Dwlee/Ranger

Spoiler: nosferatu (Dwlee/Dunnstral/Ranger)

scum is definitely in {dwlee, dunnstral, ranger}

Spoiler: Dunnstral (Ranger/Dwlee team)

iso dunnstral from
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8211794
to
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8211902

Spoiler: Dwlee (Antihero/Ranger/Dunnstral)

anti/ranger or dunn/ranger

cross off the list:

• zakk doesn't think it's Dunn/Dwlee

Nosferatu

, can you please address this post?:

and today he is willing to vote dunnstral.

like you take this vote completely out of context
and there's no way you forgot that context

you made very veeery sure that you couldn't in any possible way be blamed if dunn flipped town

which makes me VERY sure you and dunn aren't scum together.

also, these posts.
495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554

it ain't dunn/dwlee, we can cross that off our lists, people.

[zakk]

specifically, can you please address the fact that i don't think it's dunn/dwlee?

[zakk]

and even more specifically (@nosferatu), due to that list of posts i made where i said dunn/dwlee were not scum together?

(it has nothing to do with dwlee voting dunnstral today)

[zakk]

holy fuck dunnstral has 53 posts a day

cool i dont care

out of: Antihero/Ranger/Dunnstral

which scum team of two do you think is most likely, and why?

[zakk]

and what about if it's not anti?

[zakk]

then your vote should be on ranger.

[zakk]

You want to lynch town?

[zakk]

You want to lynch town?

where do u get that idea

right here

I want to lynch you

or suzune.

[zakk]

you really are a special kind of scum

now you're playing dumb



can't wait to see your scum flip

[zakk]

Ok dwlee lol

Anti/Suzune/Ranger where are you

[zakk]

Dwlee if you're not scum who should I lynch and in what order

1 person

[zakk]

Meh I don't wanna vote Dwlee now

Unvote

[zakk]

still waiting on

Antihero

,

Suzune

, and

Ranger

:

@everyone:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

antihero
nosferatu
dwlee
dunnstral
ranger

and why?

scum possibilities / pairs:

Spoiler: zakk (Dwlee/Ranger/Nos)

could see any of:
Dwlee/Nosferatu
Ranger/Nosferatu
Dwlee/Ranger

Spoiler: nosferatu (Dwlee/Dunnstral/Ranger)

scum is definitely in {dwlee, dunnstral, ranger}

Spoiler: Dunnstral (Ranger/Dwlee team)

iso dunnstral from
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8211794
to
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8211902

Spoiler: Dwlee (Antihero/Ranger/Dunnstral)

anti/ranger or dunn/ranger

cross off the list:

• zakk doesn't think it's Dunn/Dwlee

Nosferatu

, can you please address this post?:

and today he is willing to vote dunnstral.

like you take this vote completely out of context
and there's no way you forgot that context

you made very veeery sure that you couldn't in any possible way be blamed if dunn flipped town

which makes me VERY sure you and dunn aren't scum together.

also, these posts.
495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554

it ain't dunn/dwlee, we can cross that off our lists, people.

Everybody so far has ranger

I just wanna do ranger

It's safer

Plus I like Dwlee

And his AtE is getting to me

Vote:Ranger

[zakk]

antiheroooooo

where are youuuuuu

[zakk]

reading more

i'm less likely to want to vote nosferatu

current preferred order of lynch is:

Ranger > Dwlee > Dunnstral > Nosferatu > Antihero | Me/Suzune

[zakk]

He's even more irrelevant. At least people have talked to Ranger. PV has literally not been spoken to, and he doesn't initiate conversation either. As far as relevancy is concerned, he isn't even playing the game. The only reason we know PV is here, is because people are scum reading him, and his name is in the player list and vote counts. If you argue that I'm asking for a policy lynch, I'm not; he reacted terribly to the Brian wagon, and clearly didn't want his name on any future VCA. Scum.

Oh i thought you meant that you believed in him being town, i agree with you about PereV
Nos can be town.

Nos is town.

The dodg of VCA is a stretch. PV lurks in every single fucking game. I would vote him, but it would be a policy vote.

this post in particular stood out for Nos

he did push PeregrineV, a lot

and Titus saying "Nos is town" after Luna saying "Nos can be town" feels like Titus trying to buddy up to Luna, by being mutually confirmational.

Reading Titus/Ranger stuff now

[zakk]

just iso'd ranger to see what all the fuss was about

i have seen ranger play, and play well, and be super town

this is NOT that. this is the opposite of that

this is ranger relying on her vague-as-fuck read lists as an excuse to herpderp it up and skate by

also, additionally, i think ranger's reads suck

all this is disappointing

i'm totally down to vote ranger at this point

i'd love to hear ranger's take on this opinion before i vote

get well soon. tomorrow i expect something.

Hey, Zakk we're agreeing again.

also this post should go a long way towards clearing me

this isn't something scum posts to their buddies. this is something scum (titus) posts to a townie (me) just like she posted to a townie (luna) about Nosferatu a bit ago.

i haven't decided what this means about ranger, but it stuck out to me that this is a clear sign that i'm town, even if you don't believe anything *I* say about it... just take it from titus.

[zakk]

dammit pagetop. "a bit ago" meant my previous post, 5474:

He's even more irrelevant. At least people have talked to Ranger. PV has literally not been spoken to, and he doesn't initiate conversation either. As far as relevancy is concerned, he isn't even playing the game. The only reason we know PV is here, is because people are scum reading him, and his name is in the player list and vote counts. If you argue that I'm asking for a policy lynch, I'm not; he reacted terribly to the Brian wagon, and clearly didn't want his name on any future VCA. Scum.

Oh i thought you meant that you believed in him being town, i agree with you about PereV
Nos can be town.

Nos is town.

The dodg of VCA is a stretch. PV lurks in every single fucking game. I would vote him, but it would be a policy vote.

this post in particular stood out for Nos

he did push PeregrineV, a lot

and Titus saying "Nos is town" after Luna saying "Nos can be town" feels like Titus trying to buddy up to Luna, by being mutually confirmational.

Reading Titus/Ranger stuff now

[zakk]

just iso'd ranger to see what all the fuss was about

i have seen ranger play, and play well, and be super town

this is NOT that. this is the opposite of that

this is ranger relying on her vague-as-fuck read lists as an excuse to herpderp it up and skate by

also, additionally, i think ranger's reads suck

all this is disappointing

i'm totally down to vote ranger at this point

i'd love to hear ranger's take on this opinion before i vote

get well soon. tomorrow i expect something.

Hey, Zakk we're agreeing again.

pretty sure this means you're scum

every time we are the same alignment so far we disagree

EVEN IN REAL LIFE

EVEN WHEN WE'RE SCUM

lololol

here's another post which should convince you that i'm not scum with titus.

[zakk]

I am thinking scum in

Ranger Nero FA Varsoon Dwlee Dunn

Ooh and long shot Zakk but I doubt it

more "this isn't something scum says about their buddy" from titus

i'm basically conftown just from titus' posts

[zakk]

okay so titus calls ranger scum a LOT

[zakk]

44 mentions of titus in ranger's iso

19 times in reads lists (always kind of middling, never too high or low)
17 times in quotes (either other people talking about titus, or responding to titus)
8 times written outside of a quote (things written about titus)

i.e. not very conclusive




but look how she responds to varsoon.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[zakk]

{TiphaineDeath, SirCakez, Antihero, Nero Cain}
{Almost50, Dwlee}
{beeboy, Titus, TheWayItEnds}
{DrippingGoofBall, PeregrineV, Nosferatu, Heat}
{Prophylaxis,

Varsoon

, Suzune}
{Dunnstral, Brian Hollywood, Kappy}
{Fire Assassin}
There we go.

this is pretty representative of what ranger's first 15-20 posts in the game looked like

there are least 4 people below varsoon

so there's that

and then there's this (a while later, but there's not any "reads updates" in between)

As someone who just saw scum-ranger lurk through the entirety of Bloodborne Mafia,
VOTE: Ranger

Varsoon might be scum for this.

i mean idk, that's a weird response.

The difference between my Blooodborne posting and my posting here is night and day.
In both games, I lurked.
But what I did when I was around was, 100%, completely and entirely a different animal.

i'm gonna guess that's untrue.

but that's moot.

Doesn't town Ranger have good reads?

Some: {Almost50, Antihero, Heat, Nero Cain, SirCakes, TiphaineDeath} are all hard-townreads.
{beeboy, Suzune, Fire Assassin} are all solid scumreads.
All other reads are negotiable basically. Good reason I haven't made a readslist.

i mean it would make sense that ranger hard-townreads all town (except antihero they have all flipped)

and it would also make sense that ranger solid-scumreads all town too (they have all flipped except suzune, who i know is town)


soo bleeehhhh idk

can't shake the feeling she's scum

can't shake the feeling i'm not gonna find anything super conclusive either.




i don't scumhunt with logic tho
i scumhunt with intuition

so here goes nothin...

[zakk]

I mean I'm already set on voting ranger right now but that's what you should be considering

if ranger flips town

and thats a big if

but if

who do you think is scum?

[zakk]

btw random

i like this SFV logo way more than the SFIV logo



so sexy aaahhhhh

[zakk]

It's not us so who's the ???

[zakk]

I mean I'm already set on voting ranger right now but that's what you should be considering

if ranger flips town

and thats a big if

but if

who do you think is scum?

You and suzune

Or dwlee + ?

Lol Dunn how the fuck is ranger gonna be scum if she's town

P.S. RIP in peace, me (after this scum flip)

RIP me anyway after this town flip

[zakk]

Ranger come tell us what you were pls

[zakk]

I'm here

Talk about the game bitch X'D

[zakk]

PEDIT POLICE

[zakk]

KILL

[zakk]

KILL

[zakk]

KILL

[zakk]

dwlee are u looking forward to this flip??



i am

[zakk]

ok if ranger flips scum i'm ready to flip dunnstral now


i'm satisfied with you dwlee

i had to hardcore bust your balls to see if you were town lol

and eventually i think i got you to admit you were.

[zakk]

also

dude

i'm eating peanut butter and oreos like they talk about in the lindsay lohan parent trap and IT IS AMAZING

omg i love it. i'm gonna get so fat lmfao

[zakk]

okay portion control is hard when it's so fucking delicious

[zakk]

oh my gooooood it's been forty minutes

FUCKKKKKKK LOLOLOLOL

[zakk]

if i was scum and didn't want to be caught i wouldn't have stuck my neck out for dead-weight Suzune

any halfway competent townie can see that a MILE off

[zakk]

you're going to be lynched ranger and that's pretty much that. no other lynch will be going through today.

IF you're town, and since i KNOW i'm town, what were your guesses for scum? dwlee and dunnstral, right?

[zakk]

ughhhhh

unvote

[zakk]

ranger.

i swear. to all. that is holy.

i am town.

this is my last game on site for a long long time.

i want to win REALLY REALLY BAD.


if you're town, then please know that suzune and i ARE VERY MUCH INDEED town.



yes, i realize you have seen my scum play.
YES, i realize that my scum play is really, REALLY fucking good.

i think my scum play is among

the very best on this entire site

, not to put too fine a point on it.



but not this game.

this game i'm town.

i've been town this entire time.

i will continue to be town long after i'm dead and flipped -- which i firmly believe will happen tonight

which is why i have pushed around SO many directions this game

trying SO hard to make EVERYONE in this endgame look scummy -- namely, to throw shit around and see what sticks.

and i KNOW that sounds scummy. it IS. one of the ways i BEST scumhunt is to not town shit up and get people to town read me (because i know that that can be genuine, and i have a REALLY hard time telling apart town and scum town-reading me, ESPECIALLY if

the BEST way i have found for ME, to scumhunt, is to act scummy, push ALL the directions, and try my best to figure out the game through brute force / data analysis.

PLEASE see this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66377

it is one of the ones i'm most proud of, since i a) figured everything out, and b) had all the scum trying to get me dead because i was right, but wanting to leave me alive because i was acting so scummy while i was figuring everything out

that is EXACTLY what i'm doing this game. and i am doing it even MORE so, because this game i have the straight up ANCHOR of suzune, who in all honesty is really the only reason i'm still posting in this game right now.

while i was busy with other games at the earlier parts of this game, i felt okay to coast

i didn't realize i was replacing someone who was kinda scummy. oh well. i didn't read the game

but i had suzune. she, too, gave me an excuse to coast, simply by existing. "oh well, if things get dicey, we can always claim"

i got REALLY mad at fireassassin. do you think that shit comes from scum? honestly. i would not lie about that.
fireassassin was a total asshole, and deserved what he got. if we lose this game because we lynched his ass, i'll consider it a win anyway, simply because he was being such an asshole. that's how strongly i felt about it. still feel, tbh.

he PM'd me on his main (didn't know it was him co-modding mass effect at the time), asking me a favor, to replace in somewhere
i was like "no, if you're fire assassin, fuck off", and he was like "dude fam chill" and i was like "no you fucking chill. and fuck off"

i was literally INCENSED. in a RAGE.



ranger. please listen to me.

i think dwlee is town.

if you're also town, i think it's dunnstral/nos.

there's a creeping suspicion in my mind that it's anti

because dwlee and suzune have said it so many times

and it'd be a GREAT play to bus varsoon. GREAT play.

but when it comes down to it, i'd vote nosferatu


if antihero is scum, GG. like seriously. cause i won't vote there today, and if he lives the night and i die... i'd probably recommend people trusting him tomorrow too.

here the choices again, tbh.

1. kill antihero
2. kill a mason

if antihero is scum, a mason WILL die.
and a result will be claimed on one of the non-lynched of you(ranger)/dunnstral/dwlee

and then town will have to choose to either trust antihero or not.




however, i'm thinking (again) that maybe it's the best play to lynch a mason.
i don't want it to be me, obv. suzune i love you to death, but i would choose it to be you.

either way i wanna survive to tomorrow.


ok so. here's how it'd go down

suzune is lynched, i am conftown.

THEN, it's me vs antihero.

if antihero is scum, i'll die for pretty much certain, because i'm the only MOD CONFIRMED TOWNIE IN THE GAME.

if antihero is TOWN, then HE'LL die for pretty much certain, because he'd narrow things down to an almost impossible scenario for scum to win.



ehhhh.



but if we lynch outside the masons/anti-nos, we get

4 alive (2 deftown 2 probtown)
2 unconfirmeds
1 flip

and 1 of the unconfirmeds will have an antihero result on them tomorrow unless anti dies

if anti is scum and decides to shoot a NON MASON just to make it look like we're scum, then we're screwed, antihero wins, along with whoever he's scum with (maybe nos, maybe NOT, tbh)


but i doubt that, so


all things considered it's still better to lynch outside of masons/anti-nos.


thoughts ranger? and this entire post is directed at you specifically.

regardless of whether you think i'm scum still

(if you still do, i can't help it, but please address this post based on the merits of my thoughts, not based on what you think i'm trying to connive other people into doing. please respond to this post as if you believe i'm town, and then AFTER you can be like "buuuut all that's moot cause you're scum" if you want to)

please.

please.

please.


I REALLY REALLY REALLY bad want to win this game, and if you're town, i (probably) (maybe?) can't do it without your help.

[zakk]

ughhhhh

unvote

So who is scum to you?

idk, obviously, otherwise i would have fucking torched the SHIT out of somebody right now

it's pretty obvious i'm the most invincible person in the game right now

if i wanted someone dead they'd be dead.




so pretty obviously, i have no fucking idea who's scum. lol

[zakk]

ranger, please keep in mind

1. as scum, i would have NOT claimed to save suzune, if i was scum with her. that was a high-risk, low-reward move as scum (and you KNOW i'm good as scum)

2. as scum, i could easily have lynched dunnstral with a fake guilty earlier today. or camped my votes on ANYONE today. i have set the tone today. very strongly. and yet, i have not lynched anyone. if you haven't noticed, i've chickened out each time someone got to L-1. why? don't fucking ask me, because i don't know. but i have. and i'm town as fuck.

3. as scum, do you REALLY think me and suzune are academy award winning actor and actress? like, what the fuck would we have to DO to make you people not think we're scum?

4. i have proven many times that both suzune AND myself are town, BASED ON POSTS THAT FLIPPED SCUM HAVE MADE.

5. the sheer unlikelihood that we're scum, decided it was a good idea to fakeclaim masons, and i just faked our entire chat history for town cred, and also every single thing we've done the entire time this game, is completely consistent with us being masons first and foremost, and has been from the very first post of the game. we have never voted each other. we have never thrown shade on each other. any disagreement we've had, has happened completely naturally, and there has been BOTH a public topic AND a private topic side of it, which would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to fake as scum, unless, again, you think we're an academy award winning actor and actress.

6. and if you do think we're academy award winning actor and actress, then why the hell were we run up in the first place and forced to claim?


if you still think we're scum after reading this post, then you HAVE to be scum yourself.
either that, or you will try to lynch us for the rest of your life, and scum will NEVER kill you.

and for better or for worse
that means i'm fine lynching you and never looking back, no matter WHAT the flip.

kind of like fireassassin.




so weigh that carefully into your calculations.

1. if you're scum and refuse to believe we're town, you lose
2. if you're TOWN, and refuse to believe we're town, you lose (and incidentally, so do we)

but it's 50/50 for me, and it's 100/0 for you

so think about that real long and hard please


because like i said

i really REALLY wanna win this game, and 50% is better than nothing.

[zakk]

ok i'm out for the night. goodnight people.

ranger, i look forward to waking up to you either seeing reason, or conversely, you just outright claiming scum.

[zakk]

Here's 1 reason us masons aren't scum

Jk here's 6

ranger, please keep in mind

1. as scum, i would have NOT claimed to save suzune, if i was scum with her. that was a high-risk, low-reward move as scum (and you KNOW i'm good as scum)

2. as scum, i could easily have lynched dunnstral with a fake guilty earlier today. or camped my votes on ANYONE today. i have set the tone today. very strongly. and yet, i have not lynched anyone. if you haven't noticed, i've chickened out each time someone got to L-1. why? don't fucking ask me, because i don't know. but i have. and i'm town as fuck.

3. as scum, do you REALLY think me and suzune are academy award winning actor and actress? like, what the fuck would we have to DO to make you people not think we're scum?

4. i have proven many times that both suzune AND myself are town, BASED ON POSTS THAT FLIPPED SCUM HAVE MADE.

5. the sheer unlikelihood that we're scum, decided it was a good idea to fakeclaim masons, and i just faked our entire chat history for town cred, and also every single thing we've done the entire time this game, is completely consistent with us being masons first and foremost, and has been from the very first post of the game. we have never voted each other. we have never thrown shade on each other. any disagreement we've had, has happened completely naturally, and there has been BOTH a public topic AND a private topic side of it, which would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to fake as scum, unless, again, you think we're an academy award winning actor and actress.

6. and if you do think we're academy award winning actor and actress, then why the hell were we run up in the first place and forced to claim?


if you still think we're scum after reading this post, then you HAVE to be scum yourself.
either that, or you will try to lynch us for the rest of your life, and scum will NEVER kill you.

and for better or for worse
that means i'm fine lynching you and never looking back, no matter WHAT the flip.

kind of like fireassassin.




so weigh that carefully into your calculations.

1. if you're scum and refuse to believe we're town, you lose
2. if you're TOWN, and refuse to believe we're town, you lose (and incidentally, so do we)

but it's 50/50 for me, and it's 100/0 for you

so think about that real long and hard please


because like i said

i really REALLY wanna win this game, and 50% is better than nothing.

[zakk]

waiting for suzune to come in and talk about what we talked about last night in our mason topic

(and its juicy)

[zakk]

VOTE: suzune

suzune --> ranger

suzune's town, zakk is conf and we can stop this madness. This isn't hard guys. If zakk dies, anti gets a clear or scum.

not yet. unvote pls.

we have something we need to discuss.

[zakk]

UNVOTE:

Maybe it's anti

it's along these lines

[zakk]

Suzune.......

[zakk]

That's it?? lol

[zakk]

And I thought so too

[zakk]

I couldn't stop thinking about the game last night after I went to bed

And I know its been said before but now I'm finally willing to accept it, after having pushed really hard on all three of dunnstral/Dwlee/ranger

There is a neighborizer/neighborhood AND a masonry thread

Of COURSE it could make sense for there to be a mafia private thread detector

It would work directly with the neighborhood spy (which maybe couldn't read OUR topic because it was a mason thread and not a neighborhood, but still could detect it)

---

It also makes sense that the reason I couldn't feel good about settling on a scum lynch is because I haven't even really seriously considered anti as scum today at all.

But after looking back at today:

as town, anti should have been MUCH, MUCH more active! Instead, he's made excuses, made posts like 5492, and has been basically USELESS while he waits for me to push a lynch through, in essence, waiting for town to lynch one of its own

While he and his buddy, likely Nos, just coast. And coast. And coast.

There's no sense of urgency or good faith to help town solve the game with Antihero or Nos, because, simply, they're NOT town.

I want to lynch antihero.

And I want to know Dwlee and Dunn's thoughts on this please.

[zakk]

Dwlee?

[zakk]

i STILL think a50's probably town

i still think ranger's probably town

i still think dunn's probably town

i still think luna's probably town

zakk swayed me on dwlee

who am i fucking up on?

you tell me

who are you fucking up on?

still in the list...

i think dunn's town because of what happened w/ peregrine and brian hollywood on the first day

VOTE: PeregrineV

ok Brian's town Peregrine mafia

right around here. brian was headed for mile high flames at the time and this kind of distracting antics seem like a high-risk, low-reward move for scum

if zakk is really scum i'm just ready to hand him his scummie now

the mason claim is fucking insane if he's scum. just by itself.
so has this weekend posting

need to refresh myself on why dwlee's town

i remember reading zakk's stuff and thinking "that's awesome and sheepable" but the specifics kinda faded for me

Spoiler: finally found it, plz spoiler vcas

She can be scum because she has a track record of being shit at reading me yet declared I was town. She might be playing into a huge weakness she knows I have as town.

VOTE: titus
yea this makes sense

i don't think this is a scumbuddy type of post either, from dwlee

townish read on dwlee strengthens

also:

So your problem with me is that I make too little sense but I confuse people often? That makes sense. [/sarcasm]

What are your thoughts on Ranger?

This post itself confused me :I
If you were asking me, though, I think ranger is scum cause their play relates to scum!ranger but they did say they would be lurking. Cause of that I might consider pv over ranger.

VOTE: Titus
If town she is fucking us over, if she is scum we get a scum flip.

I CAUGHT SOMEONE BUDDYING ME I AM SO PROUD
I figured it out cause titus said something to town read me that when I thought about it it didnt make sense

these posts too




they do not seem like "here let me throw shade on my scumbuddy"


it feels like town

...

i STILL think that's sheepable and awesome

i refuse to believe the mason claims are scum
i refuse to believe skull took a shit in my wheaties and nos is a traitor

my scum pool is [dunn/dwlee/ranger]

His scum pool should not include Dwlee after what he just said about what I said about Dwlee being sheepable and awesome

It should be Dunn/ranger

He should be pushing Dunn and/or ranger

OR, he should be pushing us masons as scum

As town, that's literally THE only thing he should be doing

But

He's not doing either

Ergo

he's scum

[zakk]

I want to be the hammer vote btw

I earned this

Blood sweat and tears went into clearing Dunn/Dwlee/ranger

I want this

I want to taste it

[zakk]

Well gee Ranger.

If you cherry pick like that then I'm pretty sure nothing will ever satisfy you

[zakk]

I mean

Feel completely free to ignore 5554 and 5558

Np bro it's all good

[zakk]

Oh by all means... Ignore 5518 and 5522 as well lol

Hahaha. Oh ranger

I am not going to miss rubbing this in your face if you're town and anti is scum

I will relish it with particular glee

[zakk]

Btw

Um

Regardless of the fact that you are so adamantly suspicious of me, I'm not the one who happened to know that inactivity is a scum tell from antihero. That's you. Me? I spent 200+ posts on day 7 convincing MYSELF of who is scum in this game.

Sooo, yeahhhh, no. I'm feeling pretty down with completely blowing off the biggest detractor of the game when she foists the burden of proof onto me, to prove something she hypothesizes about someone who is already, and long has been, doing something she knows she should logically suspect him for.


Come on Ranger Rick. You sexy, woods-wise, campaign-hat-wearin' raccoon, you.

It's time to scum hunt actual scum. I totally believe in you. You got this

[zakk]

Sorry, make that 340+ posts from me alone on Day 7.

Since you're clearly *very* interested in accuracy, and the truth, and I wouldn't want to accidentally distract you into straw-manning my *obvious lying* about how many posts I'd made during this day phase.

This has been a public service post.

I'll be here all week.

[zakk]

Well I'm on a 5 game win streak (counting the mass effect win-tie) and I'd like to extend that to six (with 4 town wins)

So please ... stop stepping on your own toes (srsly), and hunt the shit out of anti, instead of being all conf biasy on me

[zakk]

VOTE: Antihero

[zakk]

Whatever Dwlee just hammer

[zakk]

That's L-1

I decided I didn't care about hammering

Any last words anti

[zakk]

Unvote

[zakk]

Actually since you're here RIGHT NOW

1. Talk about anything and everything in general
2. Choose alternative Mafia team to you/nos
3. Explain why you've been so useless today

[zakk]

I'm willing to listen. Show me what you got

[zakk]

Cool so explain more shit because nothing you're saying makes any sense

In my experience if you're town reading everybody in your scum pool, that's

a) a good sign you're wrong, or
b) a good sign you're scum

[zakk]

Gun to your head who do you lynch

[zakk]

What, nos?

[zakk]

dwlee

Why dwlee

[zakk]

Does anyone think maybe Dunn/nostraitor?

[zakk]

Titus was very indignant about keeping Dunn in her scumreads

And he basicslly just camped on her wagon even when he was the only one there for a long time

That seems safe, you could just basically just point back and be like "nuh uh I lynched scum"

[zakk]

Or maybe ranger/nos?

[zakk]

Geez I like seriously just wanna phone a friend rn

Skullduggery can I buy a vowel? Lol

[zakk]

I scumread you individually based on this game.

But to humor you, I went back to puppy mafia where you uselessly died night 1 as town and looked over your iso

It's like, night and day compared to here, There's no gamesolvyness

if you're looking for a lack of gamesolvyness

>>jackrito

[zakk]

despite your claim that traitor tries to avoid making any associations with scum mates.

i'm not sure of how a traitor tries to reveal himself to his teammates tbh

do you call them out as scum or group them all together in reads lists?
agree with them a lot, in ways that are inconspicuous to most, but really conspicuous to them?

like seriously, idk

how do you avoid being killed?

what IS a traitor interaction, for that matter?


all i know is that a traitor doesn't share in the scum PT and then would be a false negative for a PT detector role.

[zakk]

Do you think anti/Dwlee is possible?

[zakk]

stop stepping on your own toes (srsly), and hunt the shit out of anti, instead of being all conf biasy on me

I don't have that kind of time.

You apparently do.

We've got 5 days.

I appreciate you taking the time to help us all win

[zakk]

Ok. Well I've got time. If anyone has anything to say go right ahead. I'd loooove to see a discussion that isn't about, or dominated by, me.

Like, I have my opinions and shit but I wanna see how other people react to each other knowing I'm 100% town and that I'm not even close to being on the table for lynching.

Dwlee/Anti/Nos/Dunn/Ranger

Show me who's the three towniest and I'll def lynch the other two.

[zakk]

Everybody gets a clean slate, go!

[zakk]

Like, I have my opinions and shit but I wanna see how other people react to each other

The problem is.
So do I.
Meaning I'm doing the same thing.

And if everyone's doing the same thing...
...Nobody gets anything out of it.

Well I just spent a week plus engaging the hell out of people, and arguably shitting all over the thread to help develop MY OWN reads, so now I'm letting other people get in their fair bit. If they aren't doing it, that's their fault.

[zakk]

VOTE: dwlee

thinking this is best

What happened to my argument that Dwlee was town

[zakk]

need to refresh myself on why dwlee's town

i remember reading zakk's stuff and thinking "that's awesome and sheepable" but the specifics kinda faded for me

She can be scum because she has a track record of being shit at reading me yet declared I was town. She might be playing into a huge weakness she knows I have as town.

VOTE: titus
yea this makes sense

i don't think this is a scumbuddy type of post either, from dwlee

townish read on dwlee strengthens

also:

So your problem with me is that I make too little sense but I confuse people often? That makes sense. [/sarcasm]

What are your thoughts on Ranger?

This post itself confused me :I
If you were asking me, though, I think ranger is scum cause their play relates to scum!ranger but they did say they would be lurking. Cause of that I might consider pv over ranger.

VOTE: Titus
If town she is fucking us over, if she is scum we get a scum flip.

I CAUGHT SOMEONE BUDDYING ME I AM SO PROUD
I figured it out cause titus said something to town read me that when I thought about it it didnt make sense

these posts too




they do not seem like "here let me throw shade on my scumbuddy"


it feels like town

...

i STILL think that's sheepable and awesome

[zakk]

i refuse to believe the mason claims are scum
i refuse to believe skull took a shit in my wheaties and nos is a traitor

my scum pool is [dunn/dwlee/ranger]

This is just

No

He should suspect the masons

I don't even

VOTE: Antihero

If I'm wrong I'm sorry but there's also his total inactivity even after getting back

His nonchalance about being wagoned (which would and SHOULD be a big deal to a townie, but anti is playing it off like "nbd man but I think it's Dwlee") is also a factor

There's too much

i might die tonight but I can't have the weight of letting bussing scum with fake results hang around my neck, if that's what's the case here

And I've spent too much time busting everyone else's balls and I have gained some hard won maybetown reads in a situation

So I'm making this choice

It's final

I will not Unvote this one no matter what happens and no matter what changes of heart go on

The show must go on

Hammer when ready

Let's talk about tomorrow guys

Anti you can be a part of this discussion too just in case you're town
But I probably wouldn't trust what you had to say unless it was REAL convincing, and of course, if you flip town

[zakk]

If anti is town I have my opinions which I will give to Suzune at night in case I die

Whoever lives tomorrow will share both our opinions in their own words

Because make no mistake one of us WILL die (and it's probably me)

So if it is, you damn well better listen to my opinions mmmkay?

ESPECIALLY if anti flips scum. But even if not

[zakk]

If anti is town I have my opinions which I will give to Suzune at night in case I die

Whoever lives tomorrow will share both our opinions in their own words

Because make no mistake one of us WILL die (and it's probably me)

So if it is, you damn well better listen to my opinions mmmkay?

ESPECIALLY if anti flips scum. But even if not

I mean if he flips scum I also have opinions lol, that came out wrong

But yea w/e

[zakk]

I want everyone's top suspect if anti flips town

And everyone's top suspect if he flips scum

Ready set go

[zakk]

Dammit Suzune

[zakk]

I want everyone's top suspect if anti flips town

And everyone's top suspect if he flips scum

Ready set go

If anti is town I'll believe nos is town.

Meaning it's either you and suzune or ranger and dwlee

If anti is scum we should rope nos

I'm pretty sure I agree with this

[zakk]

I want everyone's top suspect if anti flips town

And everyone's top suspect if he flips scum

Ready set go

Nos, Suz, Dwlee, ranger, pls

[zakk]

We are town tho

So who else if he's town

[zakk]

So you will be voting ranger tomorrow no matter what?

[zakk]

You don't suspect dunn or nos at all?

[zakk]

We are town tho

So who else if he's town

I fail to see how you think its alright to think anti is scum but not you two.

I fail to see how you fail to see that one of us will most likely die overnight.

And if not, no worries, I'll win the game for town tomorrow anyway.

I SINCERELY hope scum is ballsy enough to leave me alive tomorrow.

[zakk]

So with that said nos, if anti flips town, who out of ranger/Dunn/Dwlee?

[zakk]

I want everyone's top suspect if anti flips town

I can do one better and give you two! {zakk, Suzune} are a packaged bunch.

And everyone's top suspect if he flips scum

That one's a bit harder. I haven't actually looked at interactions in regards to Antihero. Not interactions from him to others, not interactions with others to him. So, tabling this one until later. The obvious answer would be Nosferatu, but I doubt Antihero would be the type to gamble the entire game on claiming an innocent on his scumbuddy. It'd be too easy to go wrong, and I have Antihero as a low-risk, low-reward type player.

No cop out answer for the top quote please

If anti is town you KNOW a mason is dying tonight

Because scum will be too afraid to leave me alive tbh



And if anti flips scum that automatically means he's a high risk high reward player because he claimed a guilty on his scumbuddy



You certainly are shaping up to be the obvious lynch choice tomorrow tbh

[zakk]

Yeah I thought of that too

It was kind of a "what gift can I do to help my scum team on the way out" parting gift by Varsoon

They could have planned it beforehand "if one of us is not looking so hot, claim a guilty"

Also, antiheros role should have died by now, way over a bulletproof/Doctor

And they used a strongman shot on tiphainedeath too



Antihero as scum makes sense for lot of reasons

[zakk]

Dwlees hammer

[zakk]

Day 7, Vote Count #18

Current Vote Count:

(1)

Ranger -- Dwlee99

(0)

Nosferatu

(2)

Suzune -- Ranger, Nosferatu

(1)

Dwlee99 -- Antihero

(0)

zakk

(3)

Antihero -- Suzune, Dunnstral, zakk

(0)

Dunnstral

Not Voting:

N/A

With 7 votes available, it takes 4 votes to hammer.

Ranger is V/LA until August 16th.

Day 7 Will End on Wednesday, August 17th, at 8 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2016-08-17 20:00:00)

[zakk]

Goddammit Suzune

Lmfao

Seriously???

[zakk]

^pedit: Basically.

This is a perfect example of scum playing a horrible game but getting the win anyway because a select few townies played even worse (or in FireAssassin's case, acted out like a five year old who was up past his bedtime). And if it wasn't for FireAssassin shenanigans on D5 I would have lived long enough to force Suzune to vote right. *cringe*

Skull, thanks for running the game. Hope to see you stick around the site a while longer despite all the shit you've had to put up with.

Different versions of M.Bison were a real WTF and made it impossible to distinguish troll-FA from boy-who-cried-wolf-FA after he decided to claim. I would have probably tried to avoid that. I have looked at the balance of the game overall but it seemed fine.

Not much more to say here...

except...

God dammit Suzune. REALLY???

[zakk]

or in FireAssassin's case, acted out like a five year old who was up past his bedtime).

Hmmmm....

If you were a man, I'd punch you. I'd punch you right in the mouth.

This was mature of you.

Have you even seen Anchorman

[zakk]

Skull, thanks for running the game. Hope to see you stick around the site a while longer despite all the shit you've had to put up with.

Thanks for replacing in. You did a great job of turning that slot around.

My next modded game will be my last on this site. I'm hard at work on it, so I'm hoping to have it ready to go by late September/early October.

/pre-in

Might also be my last game.

[zakk]

Might also be my last game.

Why?

Idk just losing interest(again) recently ... I do switch alts every now and again... this ones past due. You might see me again but probably won't know it's me. I take breaks usually, to recharge, between alts. Worked so far.

Why do you ask? ^^

[zakk]

Suzune. You poured sodium chloride in my wounds, by not listening to me tell you to kill Ranger, and never to kill Dwlee.

At least come discuss the game. That's the very least you could do. Don't leave me hangin' here all alone, mason buddy.