STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

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VOTE: Reasonably Rational

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VOTE: Reasonably Rational

you can't vote right now. this phase is just for discussion and setting up alliances.

Oh right, wanna ally?

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why's rr scum creature?

idk I just scrolled to the last post.

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Inb4 pregame vigilantes

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^ Forever alone

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Don't worry, the conversation was also boring.

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So did we catch scum?

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Yes, lot of times, sometimes I guessed the scumteam the night I died.

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Damn, that game where I was pretty sure I caught a scum member but town was like "There's no case on him!" and lynched obvtown because of deadline.

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No, I can't get much without votes.

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I am more excited for the day to start.

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Hi, I believe I know why kraska is townreading me.

[Creature]

New policy: Not have Day 0s

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I'll ally with anyone that likes chatting in PTs and won't just outright call me scum for everything I say.

[Creature]

I'll ally with anyone that likes chatting in PTs and won't just outright call me scum for everything I say.

I'm up for it

k then

[Creature]

Did Lycanfire post already or all the posts are just kraska77?

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Don't worry, she's easy to read.

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This isn't how you get reactions -_-

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Sure, spotlight someone and I'll give my opinion on them.

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Obi: why do you think voting will pressure creature to do something?
Why is he the one your pushing the most?

Well he's promised content, but that's secondary. It's not his reaction I am looking for. I obviously will not answer more directly than this. I will explain why once I get the reaction I was seeking.

Who posted this?

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Obi: why do you think voting will pressure creature to do something?
Why is he the one your pushing the most?

Well he's promised content, but that's secondary. It's not his reaction I am looking for. I obviously will not answer more directly than this. I will explain why once I get the reaction I was seeking.

Who posted this?

Titus

~VeggieWoman

Oh well, I thought you were this guy.

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but thanks for forcing me rather than letting me do this naturally.

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Btw, Reasonably and Not Chara are probtown, but am afraid of Firebringer and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

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Reasonably's and Not Chara's posts don't look like scum's for me.

I am feeling like this could be Firebringer's scum game.

Meanwhile, you're forcing my opinions.

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RR for his posts like the "This is an epitome of RVS behavior", it doesn't look like scum.

I liked Not Chara's posts like the alliance one.

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Your opinions are your opinions. I'm not dictating who you read as town or scum.

I mean't that you're acting like "scumhunt now or you're scum", not letting it go naturally.

Also, the way you keep saying you want to see my reaction sounds like a "Look at me, I'm being town by pushing reactions!"

[Creature]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

you can't vote right now. this phase is just for discussion and setting up alliances.

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

you can't vote right now. this phase is just for discussion and setting up alliances.

Oh right, wanna ally?

no, thank you.

who i'm allying has already been decided.

edit: Cerb, i hope you've watched the episodes out for season 4! again, still good.

Also like this:

i'd say it's only about 2/3 shitposting, Foxbird. also, congratulations.

OWK: good to know.

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Your opinions are your opinions. I'm not dictating who you read as town or scum.

I mean't that you're acting like "scumhunt now or you're scum", not letting it go naturally.

Also, the way you keep saying you want to see my reaction sounds like a "Look at me, I'm being town by pushing reactions!"

It wasn't yours I wasn't looking for. I'm still thinking it helps figure things out though. Getting you involved if town never hurt anything. I can't see why you're upset about giving reads?

I am not upset, I just don't like when someone comes with something like "Who are your biggest townreads/scumreads? Why?"

[Creature]

What actual scumhunting?

[Creature]

What actual scumhunting?

You mean where the 180 on their gut on you while you never posted?

Let me see that

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kraska77 is prob townreading me for Open 649

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I don't see any 180 on me.

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So I got a bunch of town reads and I can post more there.

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Good, Obi is making things up.

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Wow

When someone whiteknights you but leaves you as null

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Titus making crappy associations is probably town!Titus

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VOTE: SirCakez

It doesn't make sense for you to whiteknight me and then put me as "perfect null"

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Varsoon

Can you confirm Almost50 is town?

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Snarky is like so town

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I am not a lie detector lol

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I want to lynch Cakez

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Anyone supports a scum!grapes?

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She always scumreads me as scum and the players she's scumreading looks like a list of who scum should push for a mislynch.

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grapes

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Seriously, look at her scumreads:

ScumReads

Not Chara
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lycanfire)
Seraphim
SnarkySnowman
Creature

Not Chara is new.
Kraskaesque are a hydra of newer players.
Seraphim and SnarkySnowman are know as lynchbaits.
grapes sees me as extremely lynchable.

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It isn't a town readlist, it's a list of who's an easy mislynch for her.

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Oh woops misread

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so Obi has a very opportunistic list.

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DGB

Are you sure Titus usually makes opportunistic-looking readlists as town?

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It feels like Cakez is playing like he did as scum in TTH.

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randomidget hasn't posted anything in our alliance PT yet.

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Maybe you need to take a look deeper into your heart and realise that being weird isn't equivalent to being scum.

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Maybe you need to take a look deeper into your heart and realise that being weird isn't equivalent to being scum.

...am i weird?

Yes, towny weird.

[Creature]

DGB posting elsewhere lol

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Okay, you're town.

VOTE: Obi-Wannabe

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^ for Cakez

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Oh right, where's McMenno?

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Scum usually wins Large Theme because there are often a bunch of lynchbaits and scum likes to kill players who put a lot of effort into the game leaving who doesn't want to do anything to LyLo.

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Good, we can start with McMenno, he has a history of lurking a lot in scum games.

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VOTE: McMenno

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I am not as lynchbait-y as you think I am.

I am one of the easiest players to read and I put some effort.

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So scum will have a free pass by going into the lurkers.

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Oh right, Cerberus is doing absolutely nothing, I am down to RR.

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Not feeling Cakez there.

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VOTE: Rationably Reassional

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Since when I do read MD? Most of my reads are based on unexplainably sensations.

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I can't read lurkers when they don't do anything, but I can read lynchbaits.

Also, if you believe we have a scum!Xkfyu, I'm down for it.

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lol Almost50, that list sucks

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How Foxbird and Skybird are town?

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VOTE: McMenno

[Creature]

randomidget posted something in the PT, wanna hear that?

[Creature]

Well, he only posted once, some minutes ago, I wonder why he didn't post here.

[Creature]

mastin2

Do you agree there?

[Creature]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

[Creature]

Anyone else thought about a "policy lynch"?

[Creature]

Really want to policy lynch Obi-Wan Kenobi.

If you reveal as innocent child, they'll believe it's a mod lie.

If you flip town, they'll believe you're tailored.

And anyone you think is scum is automatically town for them.

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They're being a nuisance to town and I'd rather kill one town member than many.

[Creature]

I wonder what happened with beeboy.

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Okay

[Creature]

Not Chara shows more excitation on the start.

However, it doesn't look like a scum excitation.

Scum excitation would be trying to look as helpful as possible.

But Not Chara is mostly casual.

[Creature]

Oh right, I think I got it now.

[Creature]

I didn't say that.

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No, I'm saying about its initial posts, they don't look like scum trying hard.

[Creature]

Spoiler:

@Blank I've played 3 games outside MS, and I was much much worse than in Newbie 1717. This is my second MS game and I'm really enjoying it so far. People here are unbelievably kinder and more polite than on the other forum lol. Seeing someone apologize if he felt that he was rude in a FM game really caught me off-guard.

@MissTerry Do you think what I did was scummy? Because if you do, you should be suspecting not only me, but also Creature, lucca, Loopdan and Draynth. (leaving Blank out because I don't consider his vote a RVS one, but a meaningful one)

Out of all these people, what made you pick me?

Or is it that you don't think I'm particularly scummy, but instead you just don't like people accusing others for no reason?

Also, I have this gut feeling that Creature is trying to distance from his scumbuddy Thor.

Why Creature? Because he followed my vote on Blank, or for a different reason?

Because of this: "I would vote the IC, but I am afraid that'll make him be inactive, so I'll refrain from voting the IC and vote this ScumFace.". No need for such a deep explanation for the second post of the game. If he wants to vote Thor, he needs to just vote him. It's a RVS.

Also, #24 is very strange for this part of the game, but, anyway...

That's exactly the reason behind #24. I feel like Creature is trying to distance himself from Thor, while masking it behind the RVS vote for Blank.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thor665

I think that quote alot of time has passed, and Thor's lack of presence is starting to make me feel uncomfortable. This vote is to encourage him to do his IC stuff when he comes. (If you are busy because of RL - sorry)

Hark, outside of Thor, who is the most scummy player for you now?

Slightly suspecting Thor and Creature for scum buddies. Don't have any other scumreads yet.

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Hi Shiro, I am seeing you here.

[Creature]

Xkfyu
Shiro
Reasonably Rational
possibly DrippingGoofball

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I wonder what happened with beeboy.

I have a super seeekrit role where if I make his classes really hard, Varsoona tells me the entire scumteam.

Then make them harder.

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Link a game where you was at least 75% correct on your scumreads.

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Varsoon

Can you confirm Almost50 is town?

??? Are.. are you claiming .. the LIE DETECTOR??!!!!!! GAWD, I hope NOT! I mean, what's with people crumbing and/or outright claiming in a game we've been explicitly warned against doing so??

Hell, even if you had a death wish, wouldn't it have been better for you to wait a few RL days to see who would vote you/me and for what reasons before you outed yourself, and confirmed me in the process???

On the other hand, if this is another one of those tricks, do you realize how scummy it makes you look??

This seems fake as fuck.

Oh right, I missed this post, put him as possibly scum.

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Okay

VOTE: Almost50

[Creature]

What's the difference between a wagon on town and a wagon on scum?

[Creature]

What's the difference between a wagon on town and a wagon on scum?

All town wagons on town tend to stall but no one tends to defend them either as scum prefer an all town wagon, yet they don't want the game state to change. See Steven's Universe - Large Theme 1.

Wouldn't that be ideal for scum to not defend their partners?

[Creature]

What's the difference between a wagon on town and a wagon on scum?

All town wagons on town tend to stall but no one tends to defend them either as scum prefer an all town wagon, yet they don't want the game state to change. See Steven's Universe - Large Theme 1.

Wouldn't that be ideal for scum to not defend their partners?

Scum bus when a buddy is in danger? Not in recent site meta. They defend. They chainsaw. They try to paint me as big bad Titus.

If they can, they do, but there isn't a reason to bullshit to save one buddy.

[Creature]

What's the difference between a wagon on town and a wagon on scum?

All town wagons on town tend to stall but no one tends to defend them either as scum prefer an all town wagon, yet they don't want the game state to change. See Steven's Universe - Large Theme 1.

Wouldn't that be ideal for scum to not defend their partners?

Scum bus when a buddy is in danger? Not in recent site meta. They defend. They chainsaw. They try to paint me as big bad Titus.

If they can, they do, but there isn't a reason to bullshit to save one buddy.

Not in current sitemeta and this game is textbook not bussing wagons. It's too early to be 100% certain based on wagon composition but I highly doubt scum are bussing here.

Who's townreading NC besides me and who's pushing counterwagons who hasn't stated townread on NC?

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Nah, I actually changed my mind about Shiro in that post.

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Almost50 would know how I play as scum.

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idk

Wanna metadive her with me?

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Homestuck would be a good place to start.

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Homestuck would be a good place to start.

I see nothing similar there.
She talked about her town reads mostly that game and seemed lost.
How is that similar to you?

And no attacks all the game.

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I don't really think scum!Shiro would help us meta her.

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Let me see where she said that.

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Oh you mean this:

@fatsideYou are wrong on snarky, litteraly everyone that has played with snakry has made the same mistake you are making, I made it on my first game with her and then i defended her from the rest of the players on my second game with her.

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She is referred to Snarky, right?

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MAGENTA WOLF

HAS DECIDED THAT SKYBIRD SHALL BE THE LYNCH TODAY.

VOTE: Skybird

VOTE: Skybird

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Too many nullreads

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lol if you think wagon hopping is a scumtell.

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Skybid lol

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Good, DGB and Klingon are also town.

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Why we don't have daycops/vigs?

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Shiro, I'd ally with you.

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VOTE: SirCakez

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The votecount said SirCakez was at 9 votes out of 13 to lynch.

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I'll go with Shiro to see if I can sort her.

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Nah, I don't lynch someone who's likely to be killed if town.

UNVOTE:

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but he can make pro-town players BP.

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As a final note, all scum have guaranteed safe-claims and roles that fit the flavor of these fake-claims. Do not try to flavor-game this setup.
Scum all have had their flavor crafted before I crafted any of the town roles--I have built this setup around scum having effective, believable safe-claims.
Flavor-claims are not anywhere near the sort of town-clear that you might expect from other games.
Furthermore, I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup. Claim flavor at your own risk.
We are here to play mafia rendered under the flavor of Steven Universe--I will have no pity for anyone who takes the flavor as a means to attempt to outguess the moderator.

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It means that you can't discern town from scum just by the claim.

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As a final note, all scum have guaranteed safe-claims and roles that fit the flavor of these fake-claims. Do not try to flavor-game this setup.
Scum all have had their flavor crafted before I crafted any of the town roles--I have built this setup around scum having effective, believable safe-claims.
Flavor-claims are not anywhere near the sort of town-clear that you might expect from other games.
Furthermore, I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup. Claim flavor at your own risk.
We are here to play mafia rendered under the flavor of Steven Universe--I will have no pity for anyone who takes the flavor as a means to attempt to outguess the moderator.

It ain't flavor I am CCing. They got cute with the role fake.

"all scum have guaranteed safe-claims and roles that fit the flavor"

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aka it's very unlikely SirCakez would make up a claim when he got a safeclaim (that Varsoon probably designed to not be counterclaimed).

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Oh right, SirCakez is BP.

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VOTE: RR

No ally I guess

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Yeah, no ally, I forgive Shiro as she might've missed it.

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I just feel more comfortable lynching Cooldog/RR/Klingoncelt first.

I don't oppose any of these.

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I just feel more comfortable lynching Cooldog/RR/Klingoncelt first.

I don't oppose any of these.

Why? I want to hear more from you. Why did you jump on every wagon but Cakey until it was clear Cakey was getting lynched? Did you have a

lump

in your throat?

Because I was seeing SirCakez as town and his role seemed useful.

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Guess this is another Homestuck where we barely get any guilty.

[Creature]

Hey guys

Upon some review
Moving CoolDog down to nullscum, Klingon to nullscum, Snarky to null, Xkfyu to scum and Kraska to nulltown
The rest of my nulls have basically nothing

Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim, Kraskaesque,
Null: KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, Snarky
Nullscum: Shiro, Foxbird, CoolDog, Klingon
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational, Xkfyu

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I like meta arguments.

VOTE: Shiro

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EbWoP: "Scum game" = "game". No idea why I typed scum in there.

The pile-on of people who will now claim that it was a slip in 3... 2 ... 1 ...

~D

scumslip

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Refined Mayhem used to be more active, was it Shadow_step?

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Wished there were less players to work with.

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Even I know not voting scum isn't a scum tell.

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Need allies.

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Preferably someone I am not townreading strongly.

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I'll ally with Snarky.

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Gonna help you.

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Let me get the VC first.

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5123/5125

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Sure, let me see who Shadow was.

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Oh right.

VOTE: Shadow_step

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MathBlade, I don't know why, but I get a feeling Loopdan replaced out because he got scum (as his town self is usually more active).

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Oh nvm, his replace out is NAI.

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I missed a bunch of pages.

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I don't have lynch preferences at this point of the game.

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as long I am not townreading them hard.

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as long I am not townreading them hard.

Are you townreading Math hard?

No.

[Creature]

^ for Cakez

Okay, you're town.

VOTE: Obi-Wannabe

This is terrible, what in that read list made you think Sc is town?

Not the readlist, I felt the posts likely 1400 weren't like SirCakez in Summer Mafia.

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I usually don't look the situation.

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Any and all anti-town factions in this game have day-chat.

Thought this hinted it's multiball.

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Titus
Skybird
Almost50
Farside22
Yume
grapes
mastin2
Not Chara
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lyncanfire)
killthestory
McMenno
Firebringer

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Titus
Skybird
Almost50
Farside22
Yume
grapes
mastin2
Not Chara
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lyncanfire)
killthestory
McMenno
Firebringer

is this town

hey let's accept that all mathblade is currently doing is posting noise

Sure, let's see who isn't there.

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Klingoncelt
Shadow_Step
Xkfyu
Shiro
DrippingGoofball
mathblade
Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx)
TheFuzzylogic99
SnarkySnowman
randomidget
TheWayItEnds

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Hey, I forgot DrippingGoofball was in the game.

[Creature]

Actually I do have some lynch preferences.

[Creature]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Hopefully this isn't dismissed as "Creature is voting in it!"

[Creature]

I have a preference on DGB over Shiro because I am undecided in Shiro.

[Creature]

I think it'll receive support though.

[Creature]

thoughts on mathblade

Townleaning.

[Creature]

then what's your fucking list about

Strong town.

[Creature]

It does, I am seeing them most as town.

[Creature]

No, this is who's not in the strong town list list.

[Creature]

Firebringer played in Open 649.

[Creature]

I'd tier like this:
{See strong town list}
{MathBlade, SnarkySnowman}
{Reasonably Rational, Shiro, Xkfyu}
[randomidget, TheFuzzyLogic99, TheWayItEnds}
{Shadow_step}
{DrippingGoofball, Klingoncelt}

[Creature]

So what if math flips town? What then?

We look at the white knighters, like Creature. She won't though.

You think if they flips town there has to be white nighters for them

Absofuckinglutely. How is Math bring helpful right now?

Yet people like creature strongly townread Math and forget Mastina Yume and myself.
Creature is treating math exactly like SirCakez.
Farside is treating math exactly like sirCakez.
This wagon developed exactly like SirCakez.

The only logical conclusion is scum value math similarly to SirCakez. Even if math is insane town, they are viewed as an asset to scum.

There is no rule that says you must use X time. The productive conversation has ended. Time to end the day.

Are you sure you checked which list includes my strong town reads?

[Creature]

guys please vote the shit out of dgb

[Creature]

Don't want Shiro yet.

[Creature]

Oh right, Seraphim voting someone for the same thing he's doing.

[Creature]

Foxbird can also die.

[Creature]

Oh nvm, forgot Foxbird = Shadow_step

[Creature]

Oh Creature, how do you feel that today is essentially a repeat of day 1 but math and Farside are only being more toxic?

Well, it feels like one tbh.

[Creature]

VOTE: MathBlade

Whatever, since you're god

[Creature]

What?

[Creature]

I hope you have more time before day 3, Creature.

I should have.

[Creature]

I want to move back to DGB, but Titus keeps saying scum are pushing counterwagons.

[Creature]

One more hour until TWIE prod.

[Creature]

Damn, I'm really behind in terms of post count.

[Creature]

Would rather lynch inside {DrippingGoofball, Klingoncelt, MathBlade, Thefuzzylogic99, TheWayItEnds, Xkfyu}

[Creature]

Yeah, these would be my scumreads.

[Creature]

Updated reads

Town: Fire, Not Chara, mastin, grapes, farside
Nulltown: Yume, Creature, Klingon, A50, CoolDog
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Foxbird, Skybird, Seraphim, Random, TWIE, Shiro, DGB
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky
Scum: Mcmenno, Obi

Special slot who gets their own corner because I can't read them = reasonably rational

[Creature]

So
Yume has moved to town since Mastin apparently has something that makes her town
Sera is up to nulltown for that really good post he made
NC is down to null for the reasons I explained in the catchup, no longer nullscum because of the Obi push + it's last reaction feels legit
I am moving CoolDog down to null because I'm not sure where my nulltown read on him came from in the first place and he seems to be avoiding the real points of contention, i;e what his read on NC and RR are
I don't buy KTS's IC claim at all so he stays null

So yeah my scumreads remain the same
There is probably at least 2 scum among my nulls

Town: Fire, mastin, grapes, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, Klingon, A50, Seraphim
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Foxbird, Skybird, Seraphim, Random, TWIE, Shiro, DGB, NC, CoolDog
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky
Scum: McMenno, Obi

[Creature]

Upon some review
Moving CoolDog down to nullscum, Klingon to nullscum, Snarky to null, Xkfyu to scum and Kraska to nulltown
The rest of my nulls have basically nothing

Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim, Kraskaesque,
Null: KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, Snarky
Nullscum: Shiro, Foxbird, CoolDog, Klingon
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational, Xkfyu

[Creature]

Yeah, there's prob distancing involved.

[Creature]

Xkfyu is scum, yet no mentions on him.

[Creature]

What do you think?

[Creature]

Would rather lynch inside {DrippingGoofball, Klingoncelt, MathBlade, Thefuzzylogic99, TheWayItEnds, Xkfyu}

I am sad we can't lynch them all at once, we might even win if we did.

[Creature]

Scum, gotta lynch 'em all
Gotta lynch 'em all
Yeah

[Creature]

If I exclude you from the list, is it still dumb?

[Creature]

Who else should I exclude from the list to it no longer be dumb?

[Creature]

I still have so many people I want to lynch, never felt like that.

[Creature]

Can someone make me a vigilante or something?

[Creature]

Also a new avatar would be good, I can't find a good one.

[Creature]

Five more posts until 6k

[Creature]

One more.

[Creature]

Yep I did and it is attempting to start a DGB counter wagon.

I highly doubt TFL is scum.

Titus will just disregard DGB as a counterwagon to scum.

[Creature]

I have less than 200 posts.

[Creature]

Really want to have 200 posts.

[Creature]

2 days since TheWayItEnds' last post, guess what time is it?

[Creature]

Maybe because I overestimate town!you?

[Creature]

When here your presence weren't notable.

[Creature]

I actually checked Musical Mafia.