Queen of Hearts [Game Over]

[PeregrineV]

Vote: zMuffinMan

I'm in this game, but no reading until tommorrow.

[PeregrineV]

non claiming..

I am not a doc.

I dont look anything like a doc.

if there is anything like a doc in this game, I am not him.

CKD=no doc.

knock knock
who is there?
doc
doc who?
I dont know, but it isnt CKD.

if you think I am a doc, at this point in this post, you would be wrong.

no docs were harmed in the making of this post.

vote Cakez

CKD, MD

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I was going to read and catch up, but suddenly not feeling like it.

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VOTE: ckd
omgus

However, leaving my vote on Cake for now for voting for the not-doc.

Vote: Cake

[PeregrineV]

You're underestimating how easy PeregrineV is to read.

Thanks Ank! I am pretty much always town (except when I get that rare scum role). And maybe 3 or 4 SK, ever, total.

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Prod dodge, basically. Will catch up tonight/tomorrow.

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Except I was on a five minute break at work on my phone so no I did not have time or the ability to write out a claim as you will see once I've written everything out.

My name is XVIth, my title is Alice Forgotten, and I am a Neighborizer/Neighborhood Vigilante; as my role suggests, I have two abilities.
I have a neighborhood that I can recruit people to. Once folks are in that neighborhood, I can shoot them.
Obviously, I wanted to play a little non-optimally during the day to try and avoid scum NKs/roleblocks, get a player or two in my neighborhood and kill anyone I found scummy. I figured if I took some heat on D1, I could up my game later in the game and do some damage. The Vedith push was part of that plan.
Of course, my ability is now completely useless now that I've claimed; if I did recruit a scum player, I would be blocked/killed the next night, if I'm not killed outright tonight.

This town is really fucking stupid though so I'll probably just get lynched today.

Did you put anyone into your neighborhood last night?

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Was grapes a vig shot?

[PeregrineV]

Did you put anyone into your neighborhood last night?

Was grapes a vig shot?

best town performance you say?

I didn't, no.

what made you ask BOTH of these questions.

Did you put anyone into your neighborhood last night?

Existing claim which resulted in his not being lynched, combined with his ATE about the claim making him unable to use his ability.

Was grapes a vig shot?

Glancing at his iso, suspected and pushed mostly Bulge, interacted slightly with Vedith.
Why would scum NK him?

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I'm here.

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What a weekend.

this wagon on me is horseshit and a giant waste of time. I'm not getting lynched today.

@Muffin, what do you think of all the BG claims so far? Pretty sure iraon is conf scum after taking a second look at the setup post (you'll probably pick up on what my thought process is), and I have an idea for testing DGB's alignment, but it's predicated on the fact that there aren't scum blocking roles in this setup.

Got 4 hours, your the biggest wagon, and your ISO says to lynch you.

Vote: Katsuki

I'll be here all day.

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@Muffin- your name in Kat's iso and your interaction with him looks pretty crappy. When Cakez mentions Kat's lurking was his scum game, you make 700. Now, when Vedith comes back with Kat is more active as town, your still arguing it.

I don't get it.

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@Muffin- your name in Kat's iso and your interaction with him looks pretty crappy. When Cakez mentions Kat's lurking was his scum game, you make 700. Now, when Vedith comes back with Kat is more active as town, your still arguing it.

I don't get it.

yes vedith's sample data (which included one whole solo scum game) is pretty strong

you've played with cupcake enough times that you should know cupcake lurking isn't alignment-indicative so what even is this post?

regardless, anyone who thinks im wrong, challenge still stands - we can even up the ante if you want

I generally feel that when Katsuki is lurking, he is probably more likely scum than town.

But my main question is he has already flipped scum, and you show up consistently in his iso, and your iso seems to indicate you find him town (or not-scum, if you will), so why are you still discussing it, and why did he dominate so much of your focus day1, and why did he stick to only interacting with you?

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why did he stick to only interacting with you?

yeah why indeed

what do you think his goal was? interact almost solely with a buddy and hope this was somehow going to win him the game? let me guess... you subscribe to the "he did it for WIFOM despite the fact that scum in his position would be aiming to not get lynched at all over playing a WIFOM game"

I would expect he expected you to protect him. Which you kind of did.

I haven't traced the whole wagon development, but I can when I have time.

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and why did he dominate so much of your focus day1,

And this part of the question....

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HI EVERYONE I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE

@UT, @DGB, @Peregrine: gimme your version of the 411 while I read up, peeps.

Bulge was lynched day1 after Seraphim claimed 384.

Katsuki scum and tied himself to Muffin.

That's all I got for now. Besides I think CKD is town.

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HI EVERYONE I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE

@UT, @DGB, @Peregrine: gimme your version of the 411 while I read up, peeps.

Bulge was lynched day1 after Seraphim claimed 384.

Katsuki scum and tied himself to Muffin.

That's all I got for now. Besides I think CKD is town.

And apparently Seraphim was killed last night. Which now makes me think Marquis.

@Marquis

, did anyone join your neighborhood last night? Can you summarize the PT?

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@Marquis, did anyone join your neighborhood last night? Can you summarize the PT?

What I meant was

@Kraska,

did anyone join your neighborhood last night? Can you summarize the PT?

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Let's start here.

Vote: iraonavp

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Katsuki

To avoid a no lynch.

Katsuki, you should claim or else you will be lynched.

Back

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mod prod Froot Loop

her last actual post with content was on Wed

also it looks like she has had no problem posting content in another game.

to be fair it was only in one game...but it was sat and sun and I didnt see a mention of V/LA there (though I didnt look to thoroughly)

You know, we have the time to make it happen, so

vote Froot Loop

I can switch back to Ank if it comes down to it but I just prefer Froot Loop today

Come on Ank join us.

You know, we have the time to make it happen, so

vote Froot Loop

I can switch back to Ank if it comes down to it but I just prefer Froot Loop today

Come on Ank join us.

Wtf this game.

Makes sense to me, really, since you requested the prod.

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And UT's vote?

On a player who appears, as you pointed out, to be avoiding the thread?

Makes sense to me.

Only reason I'm not there yet is I did an iso and they look town to me- they are giving reads and some reasons.

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I'll be on the next 4 hours, and will be voting the biggest wagon pretty much, since I don't have a strong enough townread on anyone, frankly.

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UT / PV move to FL

VOTE: Froot Loop

Is that one or both?

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Some non-face card
Compulsive bodyguard
Night 1 muffin
Night 2 muffin
Night 3 maestro- for reasons that he pretty much summed up in 1399.

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Figured scum would kill maestro last night because double voter plus the way the day ended

The fact that he wasn't shot last night honestly makes me kind of paranoid about him, but it's more likely that the last scum is just iraon and therefore wouldn't have known to shoot him because of The Dumb

He was pretty much guaranteed to have a guard on him. Double voter and led the scum lunch.

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Some non-face card
Compulsive bodyguard
Night 1 muffin
Night 2 muffin
Night 3 maestro- for reasons that he pretty much summed up in 1399.

Not sure why this matters, but 7 hearts

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It matters because if Cakez or ckd would like to counterclaim your Seven of Hearts I would like them to be afforded that opportunity.

PEDIT: wtf no, ira stop being stupid - just don't talk while the adults are talking

I'd like them to. Would solve th game that much quicker.

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Just being a vig in a town of compulsive bodyguards seems self Balanging. You are probably sane.

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I can investigate players during the Night, and if I get a guilty, I can Vig them on a different Night.

Yeah. Here.

If you have 2 guilties then let's lunch one and if they flip scum, you shoot the other.

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I'M GOING TO BED NOW I HAVE WORK IN 5 HOURS FUUUUUCK

Based on Katsuki flip, I'd say lynch your guilty.

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We lynch the guilty now. We control the day, the night is subject to actions of the scum.

Vote: CKD

@maestro- Just cop someone.

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I guarded UT last night.

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Ira came up guilty but yeah I'm paranoid

We are 5:2 now. I would avoid shooting anyone.

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I guarded UT last night.

....why?????

After Maestro, next best townread.

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Didn't someone already ask for cakeboy to be on ut
Why would u risk a double kill at this stage when our numbers are dwindling

The request fails if scum doesn't want to do it.

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VoteCount 2.5

DrippingGoofball [4] - Seraphim, kraska77, thenewearth x2
iraonavp [3] - zMuffinMan,

Katsuki, Froot Loop

Katsuki [8] - Vedith, DrippingGoofball, Ankamius, iraonavp, SirCakez, Untrod Tripod, PeregrineV, curiouskarmadog [LYNCH]

Not Voting [1]

- Spiffeh

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2016-08-29 15:00:00)

I would kind of like to lynch Iraonavp, but scum were trying to move the lynch from Kat to him.

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We are 5:2 now.

and you...

you are probably the single worst mafia player i've ever had the mispleasure of being stuck in a game with. i don't think i've ever seen you help town in any way

first, let's examine the fact that there was almost zero chance maestro wasn't paranoid. the only time fakegod has run a cop in any of his recent games is kuribo in wonderland - a game where there were multiple cops of unknown sanity and the setup was known to include a godfather. outside of that? never done. he's run limited utility ones (including a novice one), variations of cop (like parity cop), etc, but never a full cop. let alone a full cop THAT CAN ALSO VIG HIS TARGETS. that's an insanely powerful role and not something any sane fucking mod includes in a setup. i explained yesterday that it was unlikely fakegod included a full cop on several fucking occasions. and oh, what happened next? you fucking stumble into the thread like "DURRRR LET'S LYNCH THE GUILTY HURRRR FUCKING DURRRRRRRRRR". good one, fuckwit

next, let's examine the chance we're at 5:2. there are NO town investigative roles. all of the town power roles (vigs and complusive bodyguards) are INHERENTLY ANTITOWN. there was a chance, albeit remote, that the game could have ended in a scum win n2, but even disregarding that, town has no real power, let alone power enough to fucking counter a bulletproof scum vig in a game where it wouldn't be strange for several town deaths to happen on any given night (and we got pretty lucky in that respect). this setup isn't fucking 13:4. it's 14:3. look at previous fakegod setups to get a good fucking idea of what sort of setups he runs. notice a fucking theme? he stacks power on low number scum teams or gives shitall power to higher number scum teams. all of the previous setups like this one have been 14:3 and guess what? scum won pretty much all of them, too. you think fakegod was like, "well, i know scum have been winning a lot of these 14:3 setups but fuck it... ima include one of them most insanely powerful scum roles ever created (bookie) and give them an extra player to boot. then i'm gonna gimp all the town power roles for shits and giggles"?

jesus fucking christ

I think my online feelings are hurt.

Fuckwit, indeed.

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i don't care about hurting your feelings

i am just stating facts

while others might give you a run for your money in terms of bad play, the sheer length of time you've been consistently bad at mafia makes you outshine them all in the bad play department. you have never helped town, in any game you've ever played. you've never been an asset to town. the only reason you'll have ever been night-killed in any game you're in is because of your role; scum never consider you a threat.

my heart sinks whenever i see you in a player list

Sounds like an opinion to me.

Spoiler: Thank you for your opinion

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So what do the people who want to actually play the game want to do? We could lynch muffins! Or iraon or ank. Or pv even! So many possibilities

Why are we assuming 5:2 pv?

How do we know we're 5:2 btw? Is that just a guess or....?

A 17 player game is standardly 13:4.

2 dead scum mean 2 left.

Muffin wants to argue there is only one scum left.

Which is ok if he wants to argue it. He even talkes of mod meta of why it might be.

In that case, it's 6:1, and I understand even less why he is bent out of shape because "his optimal plan" wasn't followed.

(A plan so optimal that any mafia halfwit can dump on it merely by saying "DURRRR LET'S LYNCH THE GUILTY HURRRR FUCKING DURRRRRRRRRR".)

So, mostly based on standard mafia game sizes. And until I have reason to believe otherwise.

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Also WHY DID YOU FUCKING PEOPLE NOT FOLLOW THE BG PLAN

I don't think all of the bodyguards have claimed yet, have they?

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Would anyone else like to contribute to the discussion, or...

I'd rather have TTH catchup.

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TellTaleHeart zMuffinMan

Untrod Tripod

Ankamius
iraonavp
kraska77 Wingback Marquis

PeregrineV Harkonnen97
Maestro thenewearth

These are ones I think town.

I think 2 left, others think 1.

Without more reading back, currently would think Ank and/or Iraonavp

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Great game FG!!

Good job TTH!! Thanks for the quick replace and quick win!!