Mini Normal 1825 - Game Over

[rb]

I wanna point out that you and I basically scumread each other for opposite reasons btw, this is a big part of why I was willing to trust you more yesterday. Every time I have 'conviction' (what I consider tunneling) you were townreading me and when I was trying to take in more information or cause interactions, you were scumreading me. My town/scumreads on you went vice-versa. I'm pretty sure this is just two different playstyles clashing - it very much makes sense and feels like that if I try to put it in that perspective.

[rb]

I need to read stuff first. Sorry to whichever of you is town but I haven't had a chance to purge through Saru's ISO yet and I'm looking for the last scum in Saru/House/Gameplay ISO's.

Leaning BBT though.

[rb]

Already doing that

I have to say that it's so sad we let Saru live so long. His ISO is just nauseous to read and I don't know why Mathblade ever gave up on that lynch.

[rb]

Lol these VC's are a mindfuck too.

[rb]

I'm gonna put the vote down soon, my brain is hurting trying to read through this stuff.

[rb]

I dunno, I can't bring myself to see BBT as not scum over Chuck. I'd like to say effort is NAI but I think reading through Chuck's ISO is pretty enlightening because:

1. he doesn't really tunnel even though he never moves his vote, he still interacts with the rest of the game which is entirely different to the dumb shade-throwing tunnels Gameplay/Saru made
2. he's putting a lot of effort into solving the game and is much more helpful than BBT even tried to be

If BBT is town and Chuck is scum here then whatever, Chuck won this game by actually being a good scum player. Congrats to Chuck if BBT is actually town.

[rb]

VOTE: BBT

[rb]

Not checking this thread until I see Accountant has posted because I'm 100000% sure whoever the fk is scum is going to troll.

[rb]

Fkn Accountant.

[rb]

WHO'S WE? WHO IS IT CHUCK? IS IT SCUM?

[rb]

That's not an excuse. I want my gratification and I want it instant.

[rb]

I win no matter what my alignment is. Along with the people who were on my team, whether or not they deserve it

You. Fucking.

Sounds like a town response trying to sound like they might be scum for the LULZ

This is like a mafia-game within a game.

[rb]

I can't figure out if I enjoyed living longer than usual or if I'd really just prefer to die to early NK and scream at my monitor in the dead thread.

[rb]

Damnit.

Oh well. GG.

[rb]

Lol.

Well played Chuck, rb was always going to derp vote me.

Maybe don't play like a total piece of shit for entire game then.

[rb]

You're right actually, I was under the impression you were actually a decent player as town.

Besides, I accurately opposed Ryan/Dier/Golden lynches and wanted to lynch Saru/House, while you pretty much refused to lynch either of those slots and you kept trying to lynch townslots - including me. I made a mistake on your slot and you played absolutely terrible. I'd been under the impression from others you were somewhat good.

What was mega-obvious about it? That the player who put some effort into the game and tried to win was scum over the player who basically did nothing but throw one-liners around?

[rb]

Yeah let's pretend like I'm the only slot that had a vote in this game

[rb]

And actually I decided who was scum based on VC's/ISO's so it wasn't really much to do with my 'ego'.

[rb]

Lmao no, I'm not an alt. Unless the person you think I am lives in Melbourne, Australia - you'd be wrong.

But hey, you're probably trolling right now anyway.

I dunno if you know this but I actually wanted Chuck to be scum more since he was one of my scumreads on and off. It just made more sense you were scum.

[rb]

It makes no sense that you played the way you did as town either. Sit there throwing shade and making bad lynchpools, what a playah.

[rb]

Here's the thing BBT: you played like total shit for a town player and I don't give you a pass for playing like total shit because it's 'you' - you know why? That's just a crappy meta-read and your own signature pretty much explains why I wouldn't do that.

Like you're literally complaining I can't 'read you' when you say you deliberately play with your meta constantly to avoid being meta-readable, then you complain someone wasn't able to meta-read your excruciatingly shit play (literally banged my head against desk at one point because of some of the pants on head stupid things you said) as being your town game.

[rb]

It's not play-style/NAI stuff though

[rb]

Ahahaha, so you basically throw a game deliberately to 'prove a point'. Congratulations, you're such a great player.

If your play-style is to just throw one-liners, never explain things and just throw shade then you deserve to get lynched every time until you learn to not play like that. I have zero issues with lynching such players over and over because at the end of the day 9/10 people will actually adapt their play to not be one-dimensional and terrible. If people are going to throw games to 'prove a point' and not even try, I'm not going to be cut up about it.

[rb]

Tbh I don't even think the scum were good, town was just shit.

[rb]

Oh and to be clear, the reason I kept saying I would die early is specifically because I always die early and I wanted to not die early. This is the first town game out of the 7 I've played that I've lived past Night 2. It was a purely selfish thing intended to make me not have to keep having waits between games just because I die all the time :/

p-edit: I think it's pretty irrelevant how any scum played, town threw the game.

[rb]

I mean if you armwrestled a five year old and won you wouldn't say that you're strong because you beat the five year old.

[rb]

You're right actually, I was under the impression you were actually a decent player as town.

Besides, I accurately opposed Ryan/Dier/Golden lynches and wanted to lynch Saru/House, while you pretty much refused to lynch either of those slots and you kept trying to lynch townslots - including me. I made a mistake on your slot and you played absolutely terrible. I'd been under the impression from others you were somewhat good.

What was mega-obvious about it? That the player who put some effort into the game and tried to win was scum over the player who basically did nothing but throw one-liners around?

I don't agree that having bad reads makes someone a bad town player

I'm terrible at reads, and I win town games by building trust between town, forming town blocs, knowing who definitely isn't scum and I can trust them and PoE and generally working together to keep the game going.

Except there were slots in this game with terrible reads and not doing the other stuff you're talking about either. I actually agree that you (generally) have bad reads Accountant...but I agree you're not at all a bad player because of those other reasons. I think it's really more that I should just do what SpyreX suggested and feel the murderlust

I was just really tired of being dead right about scumteams and dying early then watching the town not lynch the obvious scumslots, so I acted scummy to present myself as a viable mislynch (knowing that I wouldn't really get mislynched) and prevent scum from NK'ing me. It made the game frustrating because people couldn't understand that it was very deliberate even after I explained it and even after gameplay's slot flipped scum - which should have been very obvious that I was town (like seriously) afterwards.

So it's as much my own fault for putting myself in the situation of being the accurate scumreads but not being able to convince people, so I probably won't play like that next time. I'll instead just put my vote where I'm 99% sure will hit scum and let the rest of the town do the rest. But that can be insanely frustrating too, as you saw with Vecna in Rocks - he picked the scum, got lynched and then still no one paid attention to why he was hated in the town. Seeing that from a scum perspective made me not want to be that guy, I could basically just feel Vecna seething from that. But hey, I think it's better to just be dead and less invested in the outcome than to have to fight through to LyLo as a slot under pressure. So tiresome.

[rb]

I know right it just seems wrong

To be fair you replaced into a bad situation.