STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[kraskaesque]

But a foxbird wagon is more pressing
She completely disregarded the most controversial wagons (not chara and cakes) at the time they were happening, and had convenient scumreads on lurker spots(xk and snarku). Nevermind that snarky was kinda obvious town at the time she dropped this scumread after his farside episode anyway

so that leaves a kraska/klingoncelt/RR/Snarky pool

this is so bad
and these are foxbird's reads after being caught up
omgus, no idea on klig, rr is a convenient scumread being thrown all over the place so they wont be scrutinized for not backing it up and snarky's iso looks pretty town

Why are there no votes on shadow
Foxbirds iso is oozing scum and shadows vote on creature does nothing to redeem the slot
I'll eat cardboard if this doesn't flip scum

[kraskaesque]

Fuzzy for shadow with me

[kraskaesque]

Vote* shadow

[kraskaesque]

Bc shadow is the scummiest person in game right now

[kraskaesque]

Also somehing weird keeps happening whenever I ask for a lynch on foxbird slot, people keep accusing me of belittling her rl issues which I never did at any point in game....it's just weird

[kraskaesque]

fuzzy read #7028

[kraskaesque]

Fuzzy...
Ofcourse that's talking about foxbird who is shadow now

[kraskaesque]

Yume here kitty kitty vote shadow

[kraskaesque]

Yume u make me have a sad

[kraskaesque]

Yume I will continue to have sads until u vote shadow

[kraskaesque]

Oh and
CHARA AND FARSIDE WANNA ALLY WITH ME?

[kraskaesque]

No mine

[kraskaesque]

Fite me

[kraskaesque]

LOOK AT HOW SHADOW CONTINUES TO IGNORE MY EXISTENCE Bc THIS WAGON ISN'T GAINING TRACTION
MAKE THIS STOP, VOTE SHOADHWO

[kraskaesque]

SHADOW WHAY ARE TOUR READS

[kraskaesque]

SHADOW WHAY ARE TOUR READS

[kraskaesque]

@Shadow, What are your reads?

I have town leans of varying proportions on A50, Mcmenno and farside.
grapes, random andRR are nullish town.
Tfl is null scum.
xk, creature are scum reads.

No idea about the rest

what makes random town
what makes xk scum

[kraskaesque]

chara wanna ally again?

[kraskaesque]

Guys don't assume anything that isn't confirmed by the mod. Varsoon will throw red herrings in to try and trick you if you aren't paying attention.

can you atleast be specific about what assumptios youre referiing to?

[kraskaesque]

what makes random town
what makes xk scum

mostly meta.
I've played tonnes of games with Xk offsite and I've also hydraed with him. This doesn't look like his town game at all.

ok i can take that, what about random?

[kraskaesque]

hey guys can someone quote this and edit in the missing beachwhatever.event votes? i wrote down the ones i remember

kraskaesque- voted titus
SnarkySnowman
DrippingGoofball
randomidget
Not Chara- voted themselves
Shadow_step
Reasonably Rational- voted mastin
Shiro
Xkfyu
farside22- voted notchara
TheFuzzylogic
TheWayItEnds
Skybird
MagnaofIllusion
Creature- voted shadow
Firebringer- voted rr
Almost50
grapes
McMenno- voted himself
Yume- voted mastin
mastina
titus

[kraskaesque]

And yet he isn't scum.

??

I'm telling you that I know he isn't scum since this game is specifically advertised as Non-Bastard.

So again - who are you moving on to as your next scum read?

next on his list is creature who also isnt scum

[kraskaesque]

thanks chara
why did creature vote shadow and why did shadow vote almost

[kraskaesque]

Question - has Firebringer faked a result on anyone this game?

lol...he didnt

[kraskaesque]

the mastin vote group must have two scum in it. if there was only one, her final vote result would have had a .5 value. this is excluding Yume of course, who if scum would give 1 to mastin. but she's obviously not scum.
two of those scum 0.5 votes became a single 1 vote together, leading to mastin's final result of 7.

No because scum can have claimed to be in the Not Voting / Voting for someone else pool while actually voting for Mastin. Which is I think (hard to tell with that much wordage) the point of Titus's post.

if scum had added extra votes to mastin, she would have gotten more than seven.
if there's only one scum in Skybird/Almost/Rational, then that's 1+1+0.5 at

least

, not counting outside voters.
that's 7.5 points for mastin total. more than she received.

yeah i was about to point that out
theres two scum there
but then again claiming to have voted mastin is kinda suicide?

[kraskaesque]

the mastin vote group must have two scum in it. if there was only one, her final vote result would have had a .5 value. this is excluding Yume of course, who if scum would give 1 to mastin. but she's obviously not scum.
two of those scum 0.5 votes became a single 1 vote together, leading to mastin's final result of 7.

No because scum can have claimed to be in the Not Voting / Voting for someone else pool while actually voting for Mastin. Which is I think (hard to tell with that much wordage) the point of Titus's post.

if scum had added extra votes to mastin, she would have gotten more than seven.
if there's only one scum in Skybird/Almost/Rational, then that's 1+1+0.5 at

least

, not counting outside voters.
that's 7.5 points for mastin total. more than she received.

yeah i was about to point that out
theres two scum there
but then again claiming to have voted mastin is kinda suicide?

That's why I think a) Jasper, the traitor, claimed to vote Mastina because either they were unaware of the plan for scum to forget or vote useless targets or b) there's two scum in the group.

yeah a traitor who couldnt coordinate with scum makes sense here...why would two scum hand their butts to town like that

[kraskaesque]

yume stop hiding flips

[kraskaesque]

what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

looks like it
i looked at the OP of the previous game and they had like standard double kills per night. dont understand wtf is going on here

[kraskaesque]

yume stop hiding flips

Stop telling her what to do. She's doing what absolutely makes sense from her informed perspective and you not understanding because of your perspective doesn't mean it is bad play.

what was the point of hiding math's flip? what was the point of hiding the scum flip? lycan and i thought this was def a scum ability on night 1 bc why the crap would town deprive town from info from a scum flip

[kraskaesque]

yume stop hiding flips

Stop telling her what to do. She's doing what absolutely makes sense from her informed perspective and you not understanding because of your perspective doesn't mean it is bad play.

what was the point of hiding math's flip? what was the point of hiding the scum flip? lycan and i thought this was def a scum ability on night 1 bc why the crap would town deprive town from info from a scum flip

Think about what has been said. You already know why the flips are delayed, if you've read the game. I'm assuming Titus either already knows or will soon know that it's a two edged sword.

~Drixx

i dont know im missing a huge chunk of the game
is this related to the lack of nightkills?

[kraskaesque]

okay nope this is fake i can confirm i think

[kraskaesque]

OK it's says I cannot be targeted by actions HOWEVER I can be targeted by EVENTS.

refering to this^
chara knows what im talking about

[kraskaesque]

okay nope this is fake i can confirm i think

DGB is fake?
don't claim anything if you don't have to.

yeah her claim that she cant be targeted unless it's an event shot...you know why i would think this is fake

[kraskaesque]

chara: varsoon message, alliance etcc
im confirming that what ure saying is true and she isnt untargetable

[kraskaesque]

reread varsoon's message that you got when we allied and what you last said in the PT...it would make sense for me to assume what im assuming rn
well is what she's saying true then?

[kraskaesque]

HAPPY BIRETHDAY DGB

[kraskaesque]

Most of my posts I write while in class so I type without looking

[kraskaesque]

I DONT UNDERSTAND
IS YUME A 3P TOO?

[kraskaesque]

i don't want to talk about Yume or 3rd parties anymore. i'd like to talk about scum.

good
also yume all the weird images ure posting if references to sth are lost on me bc i know nothing about the flavour

who's the best lynch within the 'not voting' players, in everyone's opinion?

i dont like a farside lynch...
shadow should be lynched
also down for skybird
and maybe shiro

[kraskaesque]

okay, striked out all the people i remember feeling town about at some point. i dont give a crap who's 3p

Titus

Shadow_Step
Xkfyu
Skybird

Almost50

Shiro
DrippingGoofball

Farside22

Yume

Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx)

grapes

mastin2

Not Chara

Kraskaeaque

MagnaofIllusion

McMenno

TheFuzzylogic99

SnarkySnowman

Creature

randomidget
TheWayItEnds

Firebringer

[kraskaesque]

i don't think there are two scum in shadow/Skybird.

why not? im probably missing something

[kraskaesque]

pedit: kraska, i don't see scum allying with each other day one and Skybird defending her scumpartner in the manner she has.
Yume: that's too bad. i have to insult you for the role? how mean.

hmmm
i dont know about that
did you notice the convenient sneaky drop of foxbird-slot in skybird's recent readlists? doesnt look like she's sticking out her neck enough to defend them if you ask me. as soon as the shadow lynch starts to look like it has actual potential of happening, skybird drops the townread on the slot

[kraskaesque]

Give me Steven powers I will save the town from all the bad guys ^_^

[kraskaesque]

Also don't lynch the only person down to ally with me =( unvote farside pls

[kraskaesque]

Why the resistance on DGB wagon?

Because shadow is still alive and breathing and we need to take care of that
Btw what's with your new scumlist? Why did you suddenly drop your scum read on shadow? Didn't you vote the guy durig the event bc you thought he were scum? What changed?

[kraskaesque]

Whoa are you going with this night for alliance?
I promise not to disband the alliance this time if you join me and kraska

Anyone who actually entertains an alliance with Farside is either scum or really stupid about how much they want to hurt Town ...

How am I hurting town? Farside ain't scum
Besides you were going to ally with yume who's also 3p so I don't see what you've got against this

[kraskaesque]

Fire is with nc/grapes.

Any thought whom else to align with?

I'm fine with anyone I marked as town Who you wouldn't butt heads with
I was thinking snarky but you two will probably fight so

[kraskaesque]

Farfar that was twie not xk...check the quote again

[kraskaesque]

But I strongly believe that the scum in the first group is kraskaesque. VERY strongly. And that the other names there are all town. (This is a combination of a very serious scumread on kraskaesque, and a not-scumread on literally every name there aside from kraska.)

[kraskaesque]

So you come back here to try and sell a case on me and snarky lol gtfo

When I'm not short on time, I can explain why. It's a combination of things. Their contributions to this game (rather, lack thereof),

some hypocrisy on their part

, flat pushes with no conviction (empty tone, essentially), plus some really bad, damning positioning in VCA.

explain the "some hypocrisy on their part" part

[kraskaesque]

So you come back here to try and sell a case on me and snarky lol gtfo

When I'm not short on time, I can explain why. It's a combination of things. Their contributions to this game (rather, lack thereof),

some hypocrisy on their part

, flat pushes with no conviction (empty tone, essentially), plus some really bad, damning positioning in VCA.

explain the "some hypocrisy on their part" part

Why are you getting so defensive over a single vote ?

Shutup scum
There's a difference between defensive and annoyed
I had to read 4 posts of 1000+ words of fluff that can be compressed into a couple of lines if you only keep the meaningful content

[kraskaesque]

Not to mention that her conclusions were me and snarky are scum

Pedit: I'm iffy on moi, the way he's so focused on farside looks scummy because farside is the easiest "scumread" to push right now

[kraskaesque]

You shut up stupid tunnel fuck

What did you say about me you lil bench

[kraskaesque]

All the muricans are sleeping

[kraskaesque]

shadow/kraska could be scum/scum just based on how focused they are on being pointless towards one another for no reason.

What do you mean "pointless" and "for no reason"?
You do realise I've been trying to push a lynch there for idk how many weeks now and the only reason my push looks vacuous now is because I've exhausted all I have to say and people don't seem to join wagons unless I yell "x is scum" over and over

[kraskaesque]

I've been asked by like 5 different people to explain my scum read and every time I oblige, I hear nothing from them on the matter afterwards

[kraskaesque]

well, to be fair.
It's a single vote by

me

.
And I know how to throw my weight around when need be.

HHAAHHAHHA DID YOU JUST ITALICIZE THE "ME"? I CANT STOP LAFFING
you think "knowing how to throw your weight around"(and im being incredibly nice by quoting you on this instead of giving my own interpretation of what you're doing) is something you should pat yourself on the back about?
do you even realise how obstructive your posting is? please go through your iso again and pick out the instances where your posts actually posed questions for the people youre pointing fingers at...or even for the people you're townreading. outside of rr and titus, you havent even remotely interacted with anyone in this game. you come here to deliver your ongoing monologue and assertions about how someone's scum or town. and once you do that, it's like it becomes an established fact that people just accept. do you even notice how most people in the game are just queitly sheeping you? dont you think that maybe, just maybe, you've created the convenient groundwork for scum to drop naked votes and blend in and noone will be able to discern scum from town intimidated into following you? just look at the way scumreads on xkfyu were announced in spades on day 1 whereas twie was being widely townread or just conveniently ignored for no apparent reason even though both had equally contentless ISOs? why? because, apparently, you announcing those reads makes it okay for people to echo you. and instead of questioning the people quietly sheeping you, you come back only to re-assert your reads. and this is exactly what happened with math, if you maybe, just maybe, you know, gave her the benefit of doubt for like a couple of minutes and re-read their posts without being biased by your preconceptions of that slot being scum, maybe you'd have seen that she was SHITTTINGLY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS TOWN lol. now on day 3 i am unable to analyse that wagon for shit because you literally gave a pass for everyone to waltz in and drop votes on math without explaining shit and then leave

[kraskaesque]

Yeah, that's the main problem I have with your case kraska. I asked you to make a case on shadow using JUST his iso, not foxbirds, and I don't believe you ever did so.

i can do that
1) dodged the entirety of the math episode, took potshots at creature, a lynch that was clearly not happening on that day
2) come day 3, and suddenly he's nonchalant about creature. no attempts to push him or get people to vote him even though it seems there's enough creature-is-scum-sentiment today for the wagon to gain decent traction
3) oh and...(well this should be number 1 if we're going by sequence) cased seraphim on things that his predecessor is also guilty of. and once i pointed that out, he retorted with "she was busy irl". i know she was and that has nothing to do with anything i've said and i'd never not factor people's real life circumstances into my reads on them. the fact still remains that in what little time foxbird had to contribute to the game, she had selective reads she couldnt explain on the very lurkers who mastin called scum. okay, even if you dont think this means that slot is scum, foxbird didnt explain her scumread on snarky either, even though snarky provided enough content to read him off of...after i called her out on her reads, she posted new reads after being caught up and again didnt explain any of them. anyway back to the topic at hand. shadow called seraphim scum for doing the same things foxbird did.
4) doing nothing today basically

[kraskaesque]

my eyes are bleeding is that normal

if you have something to say, i'd appreciate it if you actually said it instead of dropping snark
as you can tell im not enjoying this game and itching to replace out so dont engage me this way thanks

[kraskaesque]

Last two points are complete nonsense and have been brought up opportunistically when asked.

She never talked about this before, take note. Its all conveniently bought up.

what is this then?

I mostly just have a list of players I am peeved at but I think TheWayItEnds stands out as good scumread material.

Vote: TheWayItEnds

Votes lurker slot,

gets pressured by people for reasoning, says this

I am voting TWIE because currently he hits the profile for likely lurker scum. Not my strongest scumread as someone seems to have inferred from my vote, but the one I want to vote at this juncture in the game.

___

Actually you are totally right about Xkfyu. randommidget has yet to post during D1 and TWIE's posts are pretty shit in general.

Unvote
Vote: Xkfyu

(TWIE's posts are pretty shit in general but let me vote Xk for no reason)

____

Unvote
Vote: McMenno

McMenno vs SirCakez, I prefer McMenno.
Mastin, why do you think McMenno is town? I am really interested.

When I have more time, I will iso Not Chara. They have posted an awful lot so it's hard for me to get a lock; I want to delve deep into their mind and play to get the understanding I want.

I prefer McMenno, why?
Don't wanna lynch my buddy cakes.

Foxbird is guilty of the same things you're calling seraphim out for, shadow
Just substitute menno with snarky

Foxbird is guilty of the same things you're calling seraphim out for, shadow
Just substitute menno with snarky

IIRC Foxbird was actually busy in RL and her activity was affected by that, they weren't intentionally lurking.

I'm not talking about lurking
I'm talking about convenient votes on lurkers, convenient scumreads

[kraskaesque]

someone vig rm thanks

[kraskaesque]

Sorry phone posting, I meant point 2. Not last two points.

your post still doesnt mean anything, youre suggesting i somehow net by not bringing that up before(well i thought i did) when i dont

[kraskaesque]

Also from what I know of foxbird after playing a game with her is that she rarely has good content and reads. So that point is really like scraping the barrel.

lemme point out how weird and unnecessary this post is
why did you feel the need to post this crap, shadow, when your reads have been pretty much in-sync with hers? you both say me and xk are scum. and i dont recall you townreading snarky so youre not at odds on that one either

[kraskaesque]

Ofcourse mastin comes here and says im her strongest scum read but instead of pushing me and engaging me, she pushes a wagon on snarky instead. Because noone's going to hold mastin accountable for strongarming this if it flips town
And once again, as soon as mastin makes a vote, naked votes start piling on. Where were you guys when I tried to get a wagon on shadow going?
Mastin has no case on snarky. Mastin should either push a wagon on their "strongest scumread" or stop this bullshit wagon right now

[kraskaesque]

But, I honestly don't think I can convince the rest of the town that kraskaesque is scum.

Especially since one of the fears involved in the lynch that players would have is one I myself have.
Like, I'm pretty confident kraskaesque is scum. Yet there is that nagging doubt, "What if I'm wrong?"
If kraskaesque is scum and we lynch them, we clear all of the top-voters.
But if kraskaesque isn't scum and we lynch them, we accomplish nothing except weakening the town's cohesion even further.
And as much as I think kraskaesque is scum. I empathize with those who think/fear kraskaesque is town, because that thought terrifies me. I'm afraid of the consequences if I'm wrong.

Look
You either push a wagon on me today
Or you're full of shit
Pick one
And what is this cohesion you speak of? People queitly sheeping you and dropping naked votes behind you is not cohesion lol

[kraskaesque]

First off, my vote is where I want it to be
And I'm not taking offense at being called scum, I'm annoyed at all the sheeping going on. Also she actually said shadow contributed more than I did which is untrue

[kraskaesque]

No snarky is town
@magna...What do you think of rr's latest posts by drixx on farside?

[kraskaesque]

and magna, what does Fire's belief that Yume wouldn't be nightkilled have to do with him being scum?

Because he's trying to undercut Yume by saying she is incompetent (she will never be killed because scum that is smart will kill smart players).

That sort of attack on confirmed Town is right out of Firebringer's scum playbook. I already showed previously him doing it in TV Characters Mafia. Did you not read that post?

Who was confirmed town in that game? You're comparing two completely different gamestates if you're referring to the last couple of days of that game

[kraskaesque]

Magna it's weird how you're using that game as benchmark to read fire off of

[kraskaesque]

Yumez are you informed on who all the 3p ppl are?

[kraskaesque]

How many are there?

[kraskaesque]

Well the more important question is
Is farside a crystal gem or not? Why is MoI pushing her after allying with you?

[kraskaesque]

Well why is mastin writing farside off as 3p then? The people who allied with yume seem to have polar opinions on farside. This is pretty weird and I'm trying to figure out what's going on here, stop calling this fishing

[kraskaesque]

And where is your response to my questions about the reachy connection you were trying to sell on fire between this game and the tv characters Mafia? I was in that game too, you know

[kraskaesque]

And yume being informed on who shares her wincondition means my reads will change a bit

[kraskaesque]

(Did No one ask yume in thread about farside before? It's weird that No one did)

[kraskaesque]

Yes it is.
Mastin and moi having polar opinions on farside should have made people inclined to ask wtf is going on

[kraskaesque]

Yes it is.
Mastin and moi having polar opinions on farside should have made people inclined to ask wtf is going on

Especially when mastin has been suggesting MoI is scum for a while now

[kraskaesque]

Were there different factions in the prequel too? Hmm maybe I should look at that
So...far do you think the traitor would be in that faction? Is skybird a crystal gem too? You're reading both as scum...so you think Therere more than 1 scumz in that group?

[kraskaesque]

Ok some clarification: All this time I thought crystal gems weren't informed who their mates are and played individually, which is why I assumed all people with 3rd party win conditions fell under the crystal gems umbrella. Yume's recent posts suggested she had in on who's with her which is why I asked

[kraskaesque]

Ok some clarification: All this time I thought crystal gems weren't informed who their mates are and played individually, which is why I assumed all people with 3rd party win conditions fell under the crystal gems umbrella. Yume's recent posts suggested she had in on who's with her which is why I asked

They do. Farside is

not

a crystal gem.

I don't recall anyone mentioning this in thread before...no wonder I was so confused :/

[kraskaesque]

Titus, when i said 'i cannot imagine farside being groupscum' i meant i could not imagine lynchproof groupscum that can blow up alliances and strongarm half a lynch on her lonesome using points. all are provable.
but thanks for discrediting the thought i've put into reading farside since we began our alliance. it makes me feel fantastic.

Yeah the lynchproof part alone should give people pause. also, Pretty sure far would know better than to publicly blow up an alliance as scum

[kraskaesque]

VOTE: farside
But I'm definitely fighting any wagons on her after the votes are reset

[kraskaesque]

Anyways long story short, I'm not focusing on these claims and more about interaction, comments made, why players change reads, why for example sky went from town reading all day 2 to have a sudden scum read for weak reason's she hasn't explained.
Moi is again play style, he's not a sheeped, you remember the cartoon mafia game that ended. He's a tuneller, but he could care less if you were an ic he's just as stubborn with his reads as Titus and myself.
He's mentioned one scum read thus far and then proceeded to kiss ass to Titus.
That and a skybird scum read here : viewtopic.php?p=8383217#p8383217 so how is that they are the same faction?
Shrug that makes no sense to me.

Oh right I forgot that skybird put him as scum, nvm that then. I know nothing about the show but Chara says the shittingly blatantly obvious hinting on skybird's character that yume did means skybird's character is human
I have the same issues with moi's play. His scum read on fire based on that game is really reachy...(the two games hardly compare), so is his focus on you and his appeasing to titus
And i agree on skybird...her switch on shadow is also weird considering her townread on foxbird was based on their pt and not in-thread posting and shadow hardly posted content here too anyway

[kraskaesque]

Also let's talk about the fact that moi's scum reads don't really add up? That team line-up seems really farfetched if you read far/rr/skybird interactions. Inb4 "distancing" nope that doesn't look anything like distancing

[kraskaesque]

Fire/farside/skybird/rr***

[kraskaesque]

Fire/farside/skybird/rr***

forget associations, is this actually his scun lineup? i don't believe it could be. there are too many scumreads in the top voters for this team to be at all possible. it requires 6 scum plus Cakez.

Yeah it is!

[kraskaesque]

Also let's talk about the fact that moi's scum reads don't really add up? That team line-up seems really farfetched if you read far/rr/skybird interactions. Inb4 "distancing" nope that doesn't look anything like distancing

Elaborate please.

Alright I'll get back to this tomorrow morning

[kraskaesque]

Mastin and moi having polar opinions on farside should have made people inclined to ask wtf is going on

Like.
Town peacekeeping: recognizing the issue, trying to resolve it, and give direction to it.
Scum peacekeeping: pointing the issue out and doing fuckall to solve it.

Tell me which of the above this peacekeeping post is?

That wasnt even peaçkeepnng........

[kraskaesque]

Im down ^_&&

[kraskaesque]

^_^**(*

[kraskaesque]

The skeptical sighing scully gif would make a perfect Titus avi imo

[kraskaesque]

Spoiler:

[kraskaesque]

VOTE: shadow

[kraskaesque]

In post 8309, grapes wrote:
All 3 of his scumreads this game have been 0-100. Stances are positions, not processes.


Welcome to playing Mafia with SnarkySnowman

Yeah...the case on snarkysnowman is he's doing snarkysnowman things

[kraskaesque]

Dear friends
This has been a long day
So let's end it already
I promise shadow is scum
Down for a dgb lynch too but would rather lynch shadow first
You can't seriously think lynching snarky over these two is correct play

Pedit: don't leave

[kraskaesque]

Hey Fire, your reads please.

Ive given you reads like two times today. Stop it.

No means no.

If you gave reads already then quote yourself. Why do you feel the need to drag in a phrase generally used to refer to sexual consent (or rather: the lack thereof) into the discussion?

~Drixx

Lol
Wat

[kraskaesque]

VOTE: dgb

[kraskaesque]

Im allying with farside
Did fire confirm who he allying with? Are u allying with shiro or us?

[kraskaesque]

Okay then should I send your name too or do you wanna go solo?

[kraskaesque]

Shadow is allying wig xk and creature of memory serves

[kraskaesque]

Ok then I'm gonna submit farside only

[kraskaesque]

@fire sure

[kraskaesque]

forgot that far gets points for solo win from alliances
i'll submit fire only then

[kraskaesque]

oh so you only get points from disbanding and not the alliance itself?

[kraskaesque]

ok then we're allying ^_^

[kraskaesque]

nc is the best <3

[kraskaesque]

well nc almost rejected me at one point to ally with u but then u got bubbled...u just not meant to be together

[kraskaesque]

like it wasnt already obvious from ur "guys pls dont judge theres stuff u dont know" mantra

[kraskaesque]

I WANNA PLAY LUCHA

[kraskaesque]

dear friends
i can tamper with the stress and increase it by 4
should i ?

[kraskaesque]

i guess
unless im missing sth
which is why im asking...to check

[kraskaesque]

VOTE: Snarky

Gg

this a guilty?

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Are you opposed to testing if Farside is scum?

@Kraska, can you increase the stress at nightfall.

I think so but I'll check with varsoon. Doesn't specify when I can use it so I think I can use it whenever
And the increase/decrease by

four

points is conditional to season finales only

[kraskaesque]

Hey guys varsoon said only during exposition

[kraskaesque]

snarky's still town and im glad ppls are finally waking up to how vacuous the townreads on twie were

[kraskaesque]

Kras
just to clarify Vasoon said that the blocking was just during the day...and not as long as you are in the alliance

blocking? who's actions are you talking about...im not really following the game

[kraskaesque]

@almost50 what are you even talking about
what even is your question

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but the one thing more obvious now would be krasks saying something about someone else's role with whom she was never allied.

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@Almost, I asked Kraska. I did because I have an exposition only ability. Kraska was referring to his own stress ability when he said exposition only.

@Almost, We asked him to check at night. I have an exposition only ability as well. Mine is on my pm though.

@RR, If Twie is scum, lynching him has the status at negative 4. You townreading TWIE?

There's a delay on flips Titus. TWIES alignment does not matter when it comes to making sure stress is not at -4 as we go into the night. All that matters is what effect NCs flip has on stress, and whether or not kraska uses his power.

-Cerb

Hey you two, please pay more attention to pronouns. The kraska heads is a SHE and is becoming a bit sensitive to people insisting on referring to HER in masculine pronouns.

This announcement was not game-related, but out of courtesy. No animals have been killed or injured during the composition of this post. Please don't try these stunts at home.

<3 <3

@almost50 what are you even talking about
what even is your question

Hold on. You were talking about your stress changing ability?
I mistook your post to be addressing the SS blocking ability. Please disregard.

Disclaimer: My concentration is deteriorating. It's almost as if I'm stoned all the time now (I don't even do drugs AT ALL). Geez I'm not THAT old, but I sometimes feel like I'm over 70 both physically and mentally. *Hangs head down in shame*

OK, so disregarding my confusion, Creature said SS didn't block his night action. (Now THAT I'm sure of).

This means Creature knew about the blocking ability of SS and TWIE still allied with SS, so Creature+TWIE as scum doesn't work. It's ONE of the three of SS/Creature/TWIE.

However, here's a question @ Creature: WHY did you opt to act at night rather than forego your action to add points towards the Cluster event diffusion?

man u confused me lol
ss can only block people he's aligned with?(sorry but im behind on the game) if so then yeah creature and twie definitely arent a team
and i was townreading creature and ss anyway so if theres a scum in that group im betting on twie

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Titus

Shadow_Step

Xkfyu

Almost50

Shiro

Farside22

Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx)grapes
mastin2
MagnaofIllusion

McMenno

TheFuzzylogic99

SnarkySnowman

Creature

randomidget
TheWayItEnds

remaining scum are most probably shadow, shiro and twie
maybe randommidget
maaaaaybe rr but i dont really feel this. it's probably just shadow shiro and twie

i changed my mind on moi after remembering his claim to be able to stop an event at the cost of his lynch. that doesnt make sense as an ability to advance scum survival. moi's probably town

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Hi I'm also so far out of the loop
I've been out of the loop since day 2 x)))
I'm going to stop the current event now

@magna is there a good reason why you kept the chara flip hidden, keeping stress low and giving scum unstoppable kills?

[kraskaesque]

Everyone's cool with me stopping the current event? It looks pretty shiate and does more harm than good unless I'm missing something

[kraskaesque]

Farside and I are still allied so we can vote

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Well I just don't like the idea of giving scum the chance to non-communally defend or point fingers at people and not have to vote. After what happened yesterday I don't know what to expect so I'll just stop it now

[kraskaesque]

commitally*

[kraskaesque]

Okay np I'll wait
Also a heads up: I just noticed the meter is at 0, so I'll have to drop the meter by 2 before I can stop the event(i can only stop events if stress is at -1 or lower)

[kraskaesque]

Can you explain why you and farside are still allied when she told titus she would ally with her?

And alright, that's a good reason to wait as well. Using your ability to lower stress seems pretty bad.

-Cerb

She asked me to ally again in the alliance pt. I didnt know she asked Titus to ally in thread ( like I said, I'm really behind on what's going on here). But I assume she wanted to switch after seeing the flip. She's been egging me to vote snarky for a long time, she was pretty convinced he's scum so I understand why she wouldn't want to ally Titus after ending the day prematurely with a town flip
I know this will fall on deaf ears especially after yhe way yesterday ended but I still think this is typical fqrside stubbornness and i still don't think she's scum even if I don't approve of what she's done

[kraskaesque]

Can you explain why she voted the way she did, when it only out 8 votes on snarky and wouldn't have lynched him if he were scum?

-Cerb

Uhh how does her vote thing work? I think I may have misunderstood from what she said in the pt

[kraskaesque]

Given her abilities...... they seem third party opposed to scum. I don't see scum given those abilities.

fuzzy saying it like it is <3

@cerb...and everyone
i could maybe buy the "far is scum after yesterday's vote" train of thought if that voting ability was used on ANY OTHER TOWN but snarky
which isnt what happened. cerb you're saying she is scum who thinks her lynch is inevitable and so decided to make the best of her pm abilities to push thru mislynches before she dies
but i think thats a blatant misrepresentation of the gamestate yesterday. in fact i think everyone in the game was warming up to her, even titus was laying off and redirecting focus elsewhere
that she'd bulldoze over all of this just when it begins to look like her lynch is no longer a thing on the table, i find hard to believe.
not only that, but to bulldoze over people's newfound trust in her, to lynch SNARKY of all people? snarky the inevitable nonsensical mislynch mastin was working hard to make happen? is that really a risk worth taking here? her hypothetical scum team stands more to lose than gain here. you have to admit that

my scum pool is twie, shadow and maybe shiro
i wont even consider a farside wagon until i see these three flip or if farside proves, once again, to be antitown enuff to warrant a PL

[kraskaesque]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY FARFAR

[kraskaesque]

not sure what you guys are drinking
but we have confirmed scum at hand, the logical thing to do here is lynch twie. after that we can maybe discuss policy-ing far

[kraskaesque]

Fuzzy I'm going to stop the event later so everyone can get their votes back

[kraskaesque]

Cluster was resolved during climax
I can only stop events that are ongoing during exposition

@fuzzy you clearly haven't read any of the posts I made today dude. Iso me pls

[kraskaesque]

@Kraska - Be honest please. When did Farside suggest that you two ally instead of her previous arrangement and whatever you would have done? Was it AFTER Varsoon posted the flip and the stress moved, but there was the note there saying that the stress change wouldn't affect anything submitted in the night? Basically what I'm asking is ... did Farside basically do an "OMG, we can kill Titus!" and then ask you to ally? Because ... that's what it looks like from the outside, and you're literally helping her get away with it.

after the lynch happened but before varsoon made snarky's flip public
she said something about how there were 4 votes added instead of 5 or idk...and that that means snarky is town(@far can you clarify what you meant with this? sorry im just not really sure how you figured from the way your vote worked that snarky is town)
and then asked me to ally again

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I said my vote added 4 to the vote.
I don't know why that's confusing to you.
Can you explain better why that confuses you?

im saying how did you figure out snarky is town before varsoon made the flip public?

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But cerb...I just went back to see what varsoon wrote about the low stress' level on lynch votes, there's nothing that implies difference between the number of votes required to lynch town or scum. Post just says that one less vote is required for a lynch

[kraskaesque]

I'm sorry :') somehow missed the word town

[kraskaesque]

alright so i blew two of my abilities. ii would like people to use their votes to lynch scum
pick one of these:
shadow, shiro, twie

[kraskaesque]

dear creature

pick one of these:
shadow, shiro, twie

wwho's ur pick? i recommend shadow...remember how he pushed for a lynch for you on past days but now magically switches to tfl?
but im happy to lynch the other two too

[kraskaesque]

Creature knows I'm town, pushing my lynch would be a scum claim. good try

?

[kraskaesque]

VOTE: twie
lets go

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shadow tom ^_^

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In post 9119, kraskaesque wrote:
@magna is there a good reason why you kept the chara flip hidden, keeping stress low and giving scum unstoppable kills?


I don’t know – maybe because you had a claimed Season Finale restricted ability that would have rendered flipping Not Chara who is doing fantatic work in the communication PT and is confirmed Town moot?

Why did you not use your ability? I assume it was not the same ability you used to cancel the scum event today.

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oh...so you were able to communicate with chara after they were removed with the game?
and i was planning on using my ability, far didnt say anything that implied she could multivote in the alliance pt before i went to bed, so i didnt expect to wake up to a locked thread
i used my stress reduction shot today, because my cutfunding event only works at low stress. during season finales my shots can increase or decrease stress by 4 points, but otherwise they only add or drop 2 points

[kraskaesque]

good then we're almost on the same page
i may be wrong about shadow, i guess, but his vote hopping is weird and none of his scumreads feel organic

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yeah my abilities should be pretty obvious pro-town damage control

creature: we're not wasting a lynch on a policy today. especially not after i blew 2 of my abilities so people can vote. vote scum now. that's not farside. i know how much people hate my backwards logic but look at that iso its a fucking chaos, look at that iso and tell me there's a consistent scum agenda throughout...there isnt. it's just self-destructive anti-town mess and lots of tunneling

[kraskaesque]

i'd vote shiro in a heartbeat, but why exactly do you seem so averse to a twie wagon?

[kraskaesque]

yeah my abilities should be pretty obvious pro-town damage control

creature: we're not wasting a lynch on a policy today. especially not after i blew 2 of my abilities so people can vote. vote scum now. that's not farside. i know how much people hate my backwards logic but look at that iso its a fucking chaos, look at that iso and tell me there's a consistent scum agenda throughout...there isnt. it's just self-destructive anti-town mess and lots of tunneling

...

Farside is not policy. Maybe she is for those of you who aren't giving her enough credit, but for Drixx and I she's obviously scum.

Nobody should give ANY fucks about how much power you expended to prevent a no lynch today, it certainly doesn't give you any authority to make decisions for the game. If you wanted that power, you should have held the game hostage today.

I'm curious wtf happened in the last 48 hours where we went from what seemed to be a clear consensus to lynch farside(if those test votes meant anything) to this waffling between farside TWIE and Creature, where we can't even fucking sneeze I'm the direction of anyone who isn't farside out of fear that she's just going to take the decision from us.

-Cerb

sorry if it come across as uptight. but im really fucking annoyed at this game because my voice is not heard at all. mastin, titus, you and to a lesser degree farside have had total control on how the game sways

[kraskaesque]

creature can u pls give me a tldr on all the actions u took each night?

[kraskaesque]

whats your read on random? considering moi is saying random is denying your results being true

[kraskaesque]

well i still think the other scum is shadow and not creature

[kraskaesque]

but lets just sort alliances, lynch twie and call this a day

[kraskaesque]

anyone up to ally? creature wanna ally?

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oh wait i forgot that snarky blocked actions. creature answer moi's questions please

[kraskaesque]

No, I allied with randomidget on Pregame but the alliance was open during Day 1 and Night 1.

??? Pregame had no active alliances! It would have required a (pre-)pregame phase for you to have picked an ally in pregame.

So, what you're saying is your alliance with random was during pregame and ended with the start of episode 1, then on E1 you were allied with Snarky, then you allied with Shiro on E2, then allied with Snarky AGAIN on E3 (even after you KNEW he was a passive roleblocker), then you allied with Xf+Shadow on E4, then you submitted a request to ally with grapes for E5 which didn't work so you're not allied today.

VOTE: Creature

I also find it highly unlikely the mod would edit your blog to include "incorrect info" as this would be the mod directly lying to us. I could see him redacting certain parts, but "to make private info incorrect." as you put it in 9520 is a bit stretching it.

i vaguely remember a "mod lies" crumb in one of the blog posts way way back

[kraskaesque]

vla for 3 days

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@moi
No that wasn't an event and yes it's one shot

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@almost

What is fuzzy netting by claiming responsibility for the event unprompted and then patching up his claim to say he carelessly triggered an event without thoroughly reading the details? No one was poking him to do either of those things so tell me what is he netting here
Not to mention why would he pass up the opportunity to get a free lynch on town when he can lie and say he couldn't control the lynch? No one will be able to tell hes lying

I set off the Steven event last night

I had zero idea what it did,,,, I thought maybe an alliance or something but nope

I got a message that Snarky had the most votes, I was not told how many votes he got however. I had a choice to lynch him or not lynch him. Town would go down -6 if I did not lynch and - 3 stress if I did lynch. This had zero effect on my choice, I looked at the vote counts and decided Snarky was likely town. He voted SC and than DGB.....The only time he didn't vote scum was on the Far lynch, This makes me think he was town. If he scum than he bussed by SC and DGb. Possible but not likely in my opinion. Also the interaction between him and DGB seem like town verses scum

I think I am kinda outed now

Also I will confirm I did get a hunk of metal.

confession
the info of my event was there but somehow I did not read it even though I read everything else. Yes I am a pretty awful player,

[kraskaesque]

Fuzzy's not scum
Anyone calling him scum should try answering the questions in my last post bc I'm not sold at all