Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[McMenno]

VOTE: sircakez

>this is a large theme
>sircakez is in this large theme
>sircakez is scum

[McMenno]

VOTE: slysly

Creature tryharding is NAI (this isn't related to my vote)

Stop voting town. McMenno's RVS on you is bad.

wait was that a serious vote?

[McMenno]

VOTE: pepto

let's vote this

[McMenno]

@giga, First, it likely wasn't true. Even if it was a joke,much jokes tend to be used by scum. Usually, after the types of votes McMenno casts though. Attacking players that are a threat then backing off as a joke is fairly commonly a scum move.

I don't see you as a threat.

Just like you didn't see House RVSing you as a threat either. We're you hoping for the ignore it and it goes away method of defense?

Oh and you can actually read McMenno. Pretty easy actually.

evidently you can't

or is this a reaction test? in which case what are you trying to accomplish here

[McMenno]

@giga, First, it likely wasn't true. Even if it was a joke,much jokes tend to be used by scum. Usually, after the types of votes McMenno casts though. Attacking players that are a threat then backing off as a joke is fairly commonly a scum move.

I don't see you as a threat.

Just like you didn't see House RVSing you as a threat either. We're you hoping for the ignore it and it goes away method of defense?

Oh and you can actually read McMenno. Pretty easy actually.

evidently you can't

or is this a reaction test? in which case what are you trying to accomplish here

Well, you're capable of deflection and fearing what I am up to.

Why haven't you tried to sort anyone?

I'm fine with playing the game my own way tyvm

all I see is you starting with one assumption (I'm scum) and positioning everything to fit that worldview

[McMenno]

yeah, I know your type

thinking you're sooooo clever for catching people on one little "slip" and tunneling them to death

[McMenno]

yeah, I know your type

thinking you're sooooo clever for catching people on one little "slip" and tunneling them to death

Blade, could you just explain what this easy thing you're using to read McMenno is?

gigabyte: i don't want to start making alignment guesses based on a player's meta when we aren't even sure it's really them. that's too many assumptions in one.

His posts.
RVSing based on always scum.
Is my read on him serious?
Sneak vote onto Pepto.
What am I up to?

That's his entire ISO. He's reading but only interested in lurking/defense.

so should my rvs be something like "oh you have cake in your name... I don't like cake *vote", trying to improve my scumgame here

[McMenno]

McMenno: why didn't you feel the need to comment before voting pepto?

I don't fucking know

anyway, blade dancer, are you going to keep datamining my posts for reasons to scumread me? because I'm trying to get the actual scum here

as you can hopefully understand the average density of players in recent large themes has made be a bit miffed

[McMenno]

Well this game is off running, innit?

Sly trying to interpret "grapevine" as "scum PT" is reaching SUPER HARD and reads like trying to build a case out of nothing. I would vote him, but i'm unsure of the count and i don't want to put him at L-1 in 5 seconds of starting.

That makes Giga a townread by way of being a scum target.

Creature's #96 is non commital and i don't like it.

Don't PL the alt, that's dumb.

Null on everyone else, though blade dancer is my current top watched null read. Might need to wait for flips to sort him.

Pedit:

I forgot about this before because of the delay, but

my role has several different states it can have, and both Miller and Hated are part of those states.

By the same token, my role benefits from being on lynch wagons and hammering, so please be aware of this.

WHAT THE HELL

so obviously this post pings me the most, see bolded for example, accusing creature of being noncommital then going full noncommital on blade dancer

gigabyte: i also didn't get that your call for a PL was a joke.

Make that 3 of us, you took the "joke" to far. probably would have suspected you if not for sly, still might if he flips town.

this post also is incredibly bad

add to that him going for obvious low hanging fruit slysly and he's currently my top lynching priority

[McMenno]

@Pepto, There was plenty to say. You said I lacked real reasons for my positions. I show you my reasons. You don't respond to the substance or address the depth of my reads. I asked you why Giga was town as well.

Now it's my turn to refer to older posts. As I said in #209, among other posts, sly's bad push on giga in the first few pages implies he was trying to get giga killed, which wouldn't make sense for town!sly to do because it was based on nothing but really strange interpretations of the word "grapevine". It's just too much reaching for a town player to do. Thus, i believe sly is scum. Then, it follows that scum!sly would want to get town killed, as opposed to his own scumbuddy. The posibility of a anti-town 3rd party is there, but as of yet I have no evidence to support it, so the most likely result is that Giga is town. Hence my reads.

I didn't feel the need to react to your reasons as giga explained them, thus i reacted to that instead. Long story short i don't like his reaction, but not enough to divert away from my current theory.

since he has less vote than i though VOTE: slysly

Do you think that scum!Sly genuinely thought at least 11 other players would agree that town!Giga is scum based on his use of the word grapevine?

please help me wagon pepto

5. Mc

M

enno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?

when they make an actual slip

[McMenno]

McMenno, do you think Zakk is scummy? If so, why is Pepto worth wagoning over him? If not, why not?

I'm currently undecided on zakk leaning scum. but pepto is scummier

[McMenno]

Reviewed the miller claims and updated reads list:

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town
8. Ankamius - claimed miller and hated
9. Shiro - claimed miller

I'm not against hammering worthless millers but I'd rather hammer a scum.

This constant reads updating definitely gives me town vibes

VOTE: SlySly

Post 80 was bad and you should feel bad.

What about the rest of his posts though?

ZAKK DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE SLY WAGON THAT HE'S PUSHING.

HOW IS THAT TOWN?

To be fair House I do that all the time.

Then it's decided: I'm not on board with the Zakk train.
VOTE: SlySly
Seems to fillering.

Wtf does this mean?

Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully

There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please

Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise

VOTE: zakk

SlySly seems to be derailing.

??

He's just posting random bullshit.
I can see him being Town though. If he is town, I politely request he get out of jokey RVS mode.
VOTE: zakk

Yeah these two are prob bussing scum

Everybody voting Sly is lynchable.

*thumbs up*

sircakez could totally be scum here just sayin'

pagetop

[McMenno]

sorry cakey but I can't see you behind that giant ol' shield :^)

[McMenno]

VOTE: Ank

Really? Terrible how? For catching McMenno using a routine bullshit line scum use or McMenno is just your buddy.

You cannot justify McMenno being town and you realized that the moment it came from your lips, so you can to resort to attacking me.

Or

I misremembered where the read came from, glanced at the notes I took and saw I had no specific post attributed to the read, and skimmed his ISO to refigure out why I was townreading him in the first place.

And your engagement on him was terrible because you were making up bullshit about his responses to you.

hey, let's ignore him and run this pepto wagon into the ground

For someone who supposedly wants to see zakk dead you don't seem to hate him very much BD.

Meh, I don't want zakk dead. He's more of my townreads want it so whatever. I would rather lynch McMenno then Giga slot, or Ank. Ank subject to move depending on answer.

are you chainsawing your buddy pepto now? tsk tsk

hey folks, I'm going to vote pepto until either he or I decomposes

[McMenno]

are you chainsawing your buddy pepto now? tsk tsk

idontgetit

who's he heavily pushing me and Ank

who were voting pepto at the time me and Ank

also NO WAY that is firebringer lol

[McMenno]

hey blade dancer are you fine with me ignoring you for at least today if not the rest of the game

[McMenno]

where do you stand on peptoisbawl

[McMenno]

like an ascetic except for event-like things I imagine

[McMenno]

no, the peak of the wagon was at L-3 and then it dissolved

[McMenno]

@Not Chara,

I don't think I can.

McMenno is arguing that ascetic miller makes sense

because of event like things

. Even if there are no "events", it implies an unhealthy desire to protect Ankimaus.

i didn't realize they were talking about Ankimaus's roleclaim specifically.
i don't know it implies that. it isn't as if Ankimaus was being attacked for his claim in the least.
again, ignore that. pretty sure i know what McMenno was referring to.

for the record I'm not softing anything

[McMenno]

folks, I'm not reading pepto's replace out one way or another but he's scum independently

@gamma stop softing supersaint please, you're not getting lynched today

@accountant fuck off please

[McMenno]

hey I get you have the ego of a small sun but it ain't impossible for town to scumread you, weirdly enough

[McMenno]

the series of posts before 1030 was undescribably bad

[McMenno]

VOTE: Gamma
ignore my earlier insanity. back soon.

what

FOS: Not Chara

hey I get you have the ego of a small sun but it ain't impossible for town to scumread you, weirdly enough

She unvoted me, didn't post for a while, and then voted me again.
I read somewhere that that quick vote flip-flop is a scumtell, but I can't find the article.

who is this 'she' you speak of?
Gamma, you aren't going to get very far with textbook tells. i'm not even sure that is one. you have to look at intent.

you might actually be town for the lack of noticing how you've been flipping votes yourself. from Nahdia onto pepto because they 'redeemed the slot', then pepto even though you disagree with the way the votes on the wagon happened.

shouldn't it make you pause and think if those voting pepto didn't give good reasons?

who is this 'she' you speak of?
Gamma, you aren't going to get very far with textbook tells. i'm not even sure that is one. you have to look at intent.

you might actually be town for the lack of noticing how you've been flipping votes yourself. from Nahdia onto pepto because they 'redeemed the slot', then pepto even though you disagree with the way the votes on the wagon happened.

shouldn't it make you pause and think if those voting pepto didn't give good reasons?

The vote posts didn't give good reasons, but I saw evidence that pointed to Pepto scum anyway.
Just because a wagon was poorly formed doesn't mean it's full of scum.
My wagon however...

a few things: ignore 1014.
UNVOTE:
i was wrong, i think this is town Gamma after all. i was distracted by his demeanor, which didn't remind me of him in previous town games. now i'm thinking that was genuine frustration, his play now is more like the actual scumhunting i was looking for.

Gamma: i was strongly assuming multiball/serial killer from the get-go, only because of the flavour. that does make sense. however, i don't know if voting to draw is an indication of third parties. is that what it usually means, older players? i'm wondering if the option for a draw (which is lesser than a win no matter how you look at it) has more to do with Undertale flavour itself and less with the anti-town alignments in the setup. i could be wrong, i've never seen a mod put that rule in before and didn't really notice it until Gamma brought it up.

UnFOS: Not Chara

I'm townreading them based on how they are reacting.
And side note:

good flavor catch!

these posts

[McMenno]

you should just read my posts

oh and welcome nahdia! vote pepto please

[McMenno]

wow another dayvig

spoopy huh :^)

[McMenno]

gamma why did you soft masons with house

[McMenno]

okay I'm going to break a promise here but a blind monkey could've catched that crumb

[McMenno]

gamma why did you soft masons with house

We're not masons, but in a week or so you'll probably know.

k.

[McMenno]

okay gamma I get you're excited to play with a cool role and all but a little tip don't share things when they're not necessary, nowvlet's stop talking about this

[McMenno]

Idk Max, if Nahdia is town I'd sheep her over you.

that's not the point.

IF Nahdia is town is such a huge question mark

Of course it's the point. Or a subpoint. Is that a word? Autocorrect says no. Oh well, it is now.

Just being town isn't all that's required to be in a townblock, or at least it shouldn't be. It also needs organization and harmony. A strong voice backed by insightful minds. People that inspire trust and confidence in each other.

...

...

...

...

... what was I talking about again?

something about dayvigs

[McMenno]

No meta argument on SirCakez? Okay

what do you mean here creature

[McMenno]

Wanted to see if someone could rise a valid meta argument on SirCakez as I don't exactly know his meta and he's getting away as scum very often.

he's not though

[McMenno]

if pepto's town I'm all ear for a nahdia lynch

[McMenno]

Other:

McMenno and Peptobislawl; I think there's 1 scum and 1 town in there. Really not sure which is which, could lynch either atm but would appreciate seeing content from a Pepto replacement beforehand obviously.

does this not look like setting up a mislynch to you

[McMenno]

[McMenno]

Bah, develop your own wagons then.

that's what I'm doing bro

[McMenno]

Other:

McMenno and Peptobislawl; I think there's 1 scum and 1 town in there. Really not sure which is which, could lynch either atm but would appreciate seeing content from a Pepto replacement beforehand obviously.

does this not look like setting up a mislynch to you

THIS
Why would he say it's setting up a mislynch if he scumreads Pepto.
McMenno has stated a scumread on Pepto. However, he is saying Nahdia is setting up mislynches. That must mean he believes both Pepto and himself are town.
Do you see the contradiction?

eh.
i'll not answer for him but this comes across as semantics nitpicking (which tends to be the majority of "scumslips" i've seen)
in fact i think i got mislynched in my first large game for this kinda thing

REGARDLESS, i have noticed mcmenno is coast-tunneling on pepto and doing little else which is weakening my read on him, so if it turns out pepto is town we're gonna have a problem - hence my comment earlier.

oh, but that's the trick. when you accomplish one mislynch, you roll right in to set up the next one


#nobrakes

[McMenno]

hey look sirecaker is scumz what a surprise

Except wagoning lynchbait only gets you so far
P-edit:

Because he's usually scummy af and constantly gets lynched/vigged early on
Yes I have him as nullscum
Yes I should probably have him as null instead <.<

Nahdia is def scum regardless, her scumread on me is obv bs
Especially considering her history with me

acknowledging it doesn't make it better

dayvig everyone

hurr hurr hurr

[McMenno]

hey, Peregrine, please continue to be town. thank you.
my magna vote was ignored. i'm crying. come on, zakk, Snarky isn't a fun wagon.

that's because moi is a bad wagon

boooooooo

so is snarky actually

[McMenno]

being a cheekskate doesn't save you from rope

neither of you

[McMenno]

if you paid attention to my posts you would see that I do have other reads

[McMenno]

cakez just solidified my town read on his slot



yall i'm forming a townbloc, PM me if u want in!!! (jk, dont PM me)


zakk
gamma
house
cakez
nahdia
slysly
mcmenno

i wanna know the opinions of all 6 of u listed above, on all 6 of the rest, including me. please post that as soon as you read this.

i want to create a town block which will conversate together and hopefully vote together without the bullshit of trying to figure out who is scum


if anyone else is a good bet for this group, feel free to suggest them, along with reasons why (and linked posts. this is important)

if you feel anyone should NOT be in this group, please say why you think they should be removed (links help here too but it's more important above)



thank you all.

i look forward to working together with you.

yourself and nahdia are questionable I'm warming up to gamma and cakez slysly and house are town

[McMenno]

titus.

i don't believe that you're really scumreading me.

it's okay to admit your mistakes.

[McMenno]

addendum: though this post seems rather hilarious in hindsight

VOTE: Blade Dancer

Optimal play here is to lynch the alt.

VOTE: sircakez

>this is a large theme
>sircakez is in this large theme
>sircakez is scum

VOTE: Titus

We should lynch her before she goes all VCA on us.

That is an RVS vote by scum on me in another game. Said player then claimed it was a joke.

To be honest I almost never understand vote count analysis. I've only understood it when reading the hidden temple game since it was obvious with how it was scum vs molla and all scum were on molla. I find vote count analysis confusing usually and I guess xtoxm thinks titus would use it to her advantage. xtoxm probably finished another game with titus elsewhere where titus used VCA to her advantage and xtoxm was thus trying to get back at her during rvs

_____________

UNVOTE:

until caught up

BM was scum in a game I just finished. One head of the hydra voted me in RVS because I was a threat and rightfully called out on it. When called out on it, the other head walked it back saying it was ribbing me.

Dave makes a vote based on me allegedly being a threat. He then claims joke.

Don't think so.

Many times scum fear monger me. Not today.

Subject: Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

Vote: mastin

I really think it will work this time.

Deja vu.

Vote: Sonic Boom

.

Because let's face it.
It's Metal Sonic.
And Titus.
METAL SONIC.
And TITUS.

Is there ANY universe where they

aren't

scum here?

Mastina was scum. This is almost verbatim Dave's post.

VOTE: Titus

When

isn't

she scum?

For comparison.

That's my case.

Davesto is treating me like scum have treated me in the past entirely. If it walks like a scum, talks like a scum, and acts like a scum, lynch it.

Giga = Blackest Magic
McMenno = Dave and mastin2

Never thought Titus would see this pattern too.

[McMenno]

are you

[McMenno]

then who is

[McMenno]

Nahdia is the type of leader I want having the keys and the nuclear codes.

do you think Nahdia's town Sly?

this AtE is wrecking my head, i need a think-tank

ignore and move on

McMenno, join the new bloc. You've already been preapproved.

my bloc is everyone who's voting narna

[McMenno]

I think it's probably related to the incredibly long deadline

[McMenno]

I think it's probably related to the incredibly long deadline

Do you trust the translation and think there could be relevance to the message?

it's wingdings and I'm lazy so yes

of that I'm not sure

[McMenno]

Bolded is why I just can't quite put zakk in my scum reads.

Have a look at this ISO - zakk in Sir Cakez's Large Normal

Does that look like a player who is playing to the generic standard you (and House) are suggesting?

You've hit the nail square on the head. Zakk can basically be ignored. His alignment can be best determined by his flip. His style is not protown. I realize that I may be the pot calling the kettle black based on some of my own personal playing history.

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I think it's probably related to the incredibly long deadline

Do you trust the translation and think there could be relevance to the message?

it's wingdings and I'm lazy so yes

of that I'm not sure

Are you sure removing such an asset is the most protown path to take on D1?

what do you mean by this post

[McMenno]

I'm down for creature town

[McMenno]

im actually star wars a third party but don't say im star wars or i lose

[McMenno]

Shit, Titus didn't even try to sort me.

Just started some vague doubt that was dispelled by somebody else pushing me.

She's scum.

no fucking shit sherlock

[McMenno]

I'm voting your buddy

[McMenno]

why did you claim halfway LOL

[McMenno]

nahdia

[McMenno]

fyi we're not masons

[McMenno]

yes. I, "mac-MEE-now", listened to it all :^)

[McMenno]

I can tell you right now that creature is town

[McMenno]

Like, I don't think I've ever played a theme without daychat on this site via encryptor or just by default. So yeah, I am assuming they have day chat.

dragon age

[McMenno]

so

[McMenno]

welcome fb!

[McMenno]

Hi Titus san.

unfortunately titus is scum in this game, fire-san

[McMenno]

one second fb

[McMenno]

@Magna, I think you're right on Nahdia but wrong on the partner.

I think Nahdia wants the Pepto wagon alive but doesn't want to be on it.

McMenno meanwhile is her buddy she doesn't want to bus.

What's your reasoning on McMenno again? All I recall was your flailing point which wasn't selling me at all.

Flailing, RVS tell, total lack of questions or scumhunting.

[McMenno]

voting would help

[McMenno]

wait, I just realised something, if titus is scum then nahdia is more likely to be town...

[McMenno]

join the narna wagon

[McMenno]

(3) Titus -- Gamma Emerald,

zakk

, Firebringer
(5) McMenno -- Maxous,

Titus, Narna

,

massive, Nahdia

italics = questionable people
bolded =

very

questionable people

also, gamma emerald has been one of the most obvtown players in the game, and accountant/fb's iso is nothing to sneeze at either

@not chara what a sneaky avatar change

@yume welcome, although I question the wisdom of this decision I will not fault you

[McMenno]

If it walks like scum, and talks like scum, why are you townreading it?

@cakez

[McMenno]

idfk

creature?

[McMenno]

it was a snarky comeback at titus

but close enough

[McMenno]

If it walks like scum, and talks like scum, why are you townreading it?

@cakez

Because it always walks like scum and talks like scum (I assume this is referring to mcmenno)

because that's nahdia scum 101

Nahdia scum scumhunts in response to being challenged with a lynch, and continues to do so?

What do you think the town response should be?

yes
The same thing, because nahdia scum is excellent at looking like nahdia town
you have to look at the little things

Nah, I am pretty good at reading McMenno. He doesn't look like scum as town,

scum just like to push him

.

What little things?

what a fucking coincidence

[McMenno]

Menno is scummy because when his narna wagon was under threat he didn't care. There was no initiative to push the slot he has been tunneling on practically the entire game which leads me to believe he is not as sure of that read as he pretends to be(or maybe bussing) and is fairly happy to let other lynches go through.

the fuck does this mean

[McMenno]

i like to take it easy.

[McMenno]

why do you keep misrepping me

[McMenno]

i think McMenno has a better chance of going through than either you or Nahdia.
i don't like to look at bussing too much on day 1, with no flips. looking at them independently, which do you think is more likely scum?

just checked up on McMenno's voting history. he's still on your slot, and hasn't changed votes since. i didn't realize that until now.
but i don't have the knowledge about McMenno that i do about Titus. so he feels vaguely... 'eh', whereas Titus just feels very bad.

pedit: McMenno, say Narna isn't happening today. who would you lynch instead.

titus

why do you keep misrepping me

this isn't something you say to the player you're trying to lynch.

elaborate please

[McMenno]

because the answer to your own question should be known to you? he's misrepping you because he's scum.
it's a frustrated question, but should be in line with your read on the slot. i'm wondering why you were surprised.

oh I might believe they are scum, but others clearly do not

having correct scumreads isn't enough, gotta get people to vote them too

[McMenno]

question who hasn't been wagoned at this point

[McMenno]

your puffed chest is bigger than your wagon, titus

[McMenno]

vote narna then

[McMenno]

(3) Narna -- McMenno, PeregrineV, Ankamius

make it happen

[McMenno]

revote right this second

[McMenno]

I wonder where Narna is.

Something came up last night. I'm almost halfway through the thread, and I'll be able to post in earnest tonight.

I like blade, not chara, and creature for town so far. I'm not a big fan of zakk, mcmenno,

or pepto.

revote right this second

Without using the names Pepto or Giga, how am I scummier than Nahdia? An inquiring me wants to know.

do you mean aside from your horrible iso that I'm not going to dive into at 2am

[McMenno]

I wonder where Narna is.

Something came up last night. I'm almost halfway through the thread, and I'll be able to post in earnest tonight.

I like blade, not chara, and creature for town so far. I'm not a big fan of zakk, mcmenno,

or pepto.

town:

Creature -gut/weak meta, I'm really confident in this one for now.

townlean:

Gamma -If this is scum, he is god at feigning derptown. I really liked a few of his posts, so I'm thinking that's not the case.
House -Strong start to the game, and I like his pushing on PV and Titus despite it not being popular at the time. I don't like the backpedal on Titus, but I don't see scum motivation there.
Magna -My gut tells me the "no names used" nitpick would stand out to much for scum to post. More importantly I think he's one of the only people trying to sort Zach instead of simply giving a read of "town/scum" on them. He's also attempting to sort other players harder than most of the playerlist.
Zakk -Town
Titus -I agree with the people she's choosing to lynch, but I'm not sure about the reasoning. I don't think it's anything substantial enough to go against my reads yet, but it's what put her as a lean. Not jumping on me is another plus.

Null:

Maxous -I have a sinking feeling that he moved off from me too easily, but I like the PV and Mcmenno votes.
Not Chara -The only fully rational person during ~wingdings~ I'm not a big fan of how they vote Titus after House repeals his read on her despite being present when it was brought up.
FB/Accountant -Welcome FB, Accountant played nearly a near identical game to Wake's large game up to and including replacing out. They were town, but it seems like an easy style to replicate.
SlySly -They seem to be playing an older style with the miller thing and wanting "more info" from the lynch. It's nai to me, but they have some of the more unique reads this game (in a game with some stale reads shared between most players), so flips should help sort him.
Ankamuis -He's not really pushing much in my opinion, but his reads seem to be pretty independent.
Leonshade -I Kinda liked his reads list. He's still pretty much a no show.
Snarky -It's Snarky.
Shiro -It's Shiro.
Massive -It's whoever this is.
Nosferatu -Waiting for the catch up
Sir Cakes -I wasn't a fan of him making a point of Andrius' list alone deserving a scumread, to only vote the same person Andrius planned to. However he does a much better job at calling out Nadhia than Nadhia does on him. I remember his earlier posts not settling well with me, but I'm aware this is probably a playstyle thing.
Andrius -Some of his early posting seemed forced. Comparing Creature to Not Chara in an effort to call NC scummy comes to mind, but I'm blanking on others. His reads list was alright.

Scumlean:

Nahdia -Ironically, I'm mostly scumreading Giga. This isn't alignment indicative, but I think it's bad for town to bury a claim in an hour long clip since only one mafia member needs to sift through it. Abandoning their Mcmenno push when a wagon was forming looks fishy, and I'm curious to see where they go with the Magna wagon dead in the water.
PV -I didn't like the timing of his vote on me. He could have made the same vote at any time, but chooses when Nadhia overtakes me as the prevailing wagon to do so. He is making a

huge

assumption in thinking that Pepto made the message because he translated it. He's also leaving his vote parked on me after multiple people agreed that the wingdings conversation was bad and pointless.

Scum:

McMenno -There's my weak associatives I mentioned earlier. He's been coasting on Pepto, and hasn't made a push much stronger than a throwaway post all day. It's a little convenient that he makes another hard scum accusation after being called out on it.

I do think it's likely that someone out of House, Zakk, Titus, and Not Chara is scum, but sadly I'm currently reading them mostly town individually.

have a gander at this readslist and ponder, for one

[McMenno]

VOTE: mcmenno
Compromise!!!!!!

there are wagons on titus and nahdia, you tool

*throws hands in air*

Wake me on Day 3 when someone guilties McMenno.

well keep on slumbering, because I ain't a miller

VOTE: Titus

this will have to do then

[McMenno]

ugh this game

UNVOTE:

why can't we just lynch narna and go to night

[McMenno]

is your scum flavor chara

that would be fitting

[McMenno]

you are

[McMenno]

here's some friendly advice.

if you keep going the way you are now...

...

you're gonna have a bad time.

[McMenno]

okay so...

what was titus' read on me during dragon age

she was like pushing me a lot and then in her last will said "yeah they're town"

I'm trying to grasp that

[McMenno]

while I'm at it

VOTE: narna

[McMenno]

creature is town please stop

[McMenno]

obviously I prefer narna but I'd lynch not chara

[McMenno]

if you're convinced that titus is scum then why are you still taking all these potshots at me

[McMenno]

that was a really terrible vote -> backlash -> unvote.

if you're convinced that titus is scum then why are you still taking all these potshots at me

quote me taking potshots at you.
you haven't answered why Creature isn't scum based on what i've outlined. that's currently my only problem with you. but i have that problem with the majority of the playerlist.

these posts don't work together

[McMenno]

woe me

Nah fuck this NC wagon
I wanna flip Creature
VOTE: Creature

fuck no

aight let's get this ball rolling then

this narna wagon is going nowhere unfortunately

VOTE: not chara

[McMenno]

would a creature townflip be very telling

[McMenno]

ftr titus is a townread now

[McMenno]

I haven't seen scumtitus

but the fixated pushing of myself

it clicked in my head

[McMenno]

When weren't you town reading her?

I see that you haven't been reading my posts

[McMenno]

good night

[McMenno]

i'm sans.

sans the skeleton.

[McMenno]

and also effectively a vt until night 8

and skullduggery won't let me type in comic sans :'(

[McMenno]

a coroner

I can investigate a dead player and see who killed them

[McMenno]

it's a very strong role so I'm not surprised that skullduggery put a limitation on it

[McMenno]

don't believe I'm dead yet, pal

[McMenno]

and onwards

why would there be a catch

[McMenno]

I have assumed my role has some kind of hidden triggered event associated with it, but as of now this is the only thing I know

[McMenno]

how anyone has a scumread on slysly at this point is beyond me

[McMenno]

stop this shit

[McMenno]

if im lynched ill be ranting some in deadthread

though I do suggest that titus remove her head from her anal cavity and for narna to be joining me

also this is like the worst lynch since pv in wakegame

[McMenno]

it's night 8

and it's for when a game goes long

[McMenno]

like "useless" roles = scum

like are vanilla townies scum

idgi

[McMenno]

well he's lazy (lazy coroner)

and also he's a skeleton

I don't fucking know, doesn't he do timeline research or some shit?

[McMenno]

I'm sorry but it's NAI not NIA... that was bothering me

[McMenno]

okay so

STARTING night 8, EVERY night, I can investigate a dead player, and see who killed them, I get the results at the end of the night

[McMenno]

like if we do a

barrel roll

flashwagon can it at least be narna thanks

VOTE: narna

[McMenno]

(6)

MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Gamma Emerald, Not Chara, Firebringer, Narna

(2

) Narna -- SirCakez, McMenno

let's turn this

(1)

MagnaofIllusion -- Narna

(7)

Narna -- SirCakez, McMenno, zakk, Nahdia, Gamma Emerald, Not Chara, Firebringer

into this

[McMenno]

you're not scum though

[McMenno]

how about I smash your fucking face in instead

nah just kidding

or am I

[McMenno]

The Magna lynch is terrible, the Zakk lynch is marginally better.
If we cannot lynch within the N-scum I'm not sure what I'll do.

three votes on narna, four votes on narna

make it happen bud

[McMenno]

Not Voting

(2)

- Titus, Andrius

[McMenno]

only thing I'm sure of currently is Narna!scum

LET'S FLIP NARNA
(╯°Д°）╯︵ /(.□ . \)

[McMenno]

DO NOT EDIT MY SHIT YOU JERK
NARNA IS A TOWNREAD
DO THAT AGAIN ON A TOWNREAD OF MINE AND SUFFER BITCH

LET'S FLIP GAMMA
(╯°Д°）╯︵ /(.□ . \)

[McMenno]

Snarky, Titus, Andrius, Yume, Ankamius, Maxous, Creature, Nosferatu, Shiro, SlySly, PeregrineV, SirCakez, McMenno, Leonshade...

Come on, assholes, do something useful with your vote

I am you fool

look at that tasty wagon

you should join us

[McMenno]

peregrinev my man vote narna with us

[McMenno]

you didn't seem to fight back when I put your ass in jail

:^)

[McMenno]

Oh yeah.
Now I remember why Narna is town.
Eh
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

P-edit: snowman, you're voting the most obv-town player in the game..what else you got?

is narna a stronger townread or something?

Oh yeah.
Now I remember why Narna is town.
Eh
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

P-edit: snowman, you're voting the most obv-town player in the game..what else you got?

thx bae

ure mome

[McMenno]

^needs death^

[McMenno]

bad lynch was bad

should've lynched narna instead

[McMenno]

I'm glad I finally got you to vote Narnia though.
Took 300 Genocide Points but I did it!

here's some friendly advice

if you keep going the way you are now...

...

you're gonna have a bad time.

VOTE: narna

what a fucking shitshow

[McMenno]

yeah I was pushing you all day and when a me wagon took off my scumuds were all "well diddly daddly darn, gotta join the narna wagon!"

[McMenno]

and why is this "mcmemmno" person an ascetic, then

[McMenno]

I suspect there has been some kind of mass roleblock by the scumteam

[McMenno]

...then why do you think I'm ascetic...

[McMenno]

nahdia: hi I'm roleblocked
narna: hi I'm scum
andrius: HI I'M FRISK
shiro: hi mcmemner is ascetic lel

[McMenno]

like did you even read my post

[McMenno]

I suspect there has been some kind of

mass roleblock

by the scumteam

[McMenno]

oh no my plan seems to have been foiled

[McMenno]

what benefit do I have from being ascetic and not claiming it

gogogo

[McMenno]

I'm not retarded as you seem to believe

[McMenno]

...oh, I get it...

[McMenno]

why did you flavorclaim though

[McMenno]

Which three?

You did Zakk, but the other two are...?

Andrius (tried to shoot Narna & myself) Shiro (had some investigation return nothing on McMenno)

why did you flavorclaim though

VOTE: McMenno

[McMenno]

Will anyone be upset if I leave?

ye

@Mod please replace me, I am sorry I am just not in this and I don't think I can get into it.

@maxous why are you voting shiro

[McMenno]

crown
keep
calm
and
vote
narna

[McMenno]

Hey, take it where you can get it Nos. It's the only way you're mislynching today. McMenno is scum. Narna isn't. There hasn't been a single reason for Narna scum and a litany for McMenno. The only reason McMenno isn't in a pine box is because Narna and Nahdia have been discredited to the point where no one wants to be on a wagon with them. That's a dumb approach for a multitude of reasons.

So, we've reached the point where people have dug in and ceased to talk to each other or even rationally look at evidence. If you have to flip Narnia on Day 2 and then scum McMenno on Day 3, after I die. Go ahead, but don't act like I didn't call it.

would love to see your face after I flip town

unless you're scum of course :/

[McMenno]

you seem to be townreading narna for the exact same thing

[McMenno]

because they saw an opportunity to get rid of a strong town player?

[McMenno]

on a wagon lead by town no less

[McMenno]

why was zakk killed, titus

[McMenno]

do you guys think Andrius might be a 3p? im just thinking about it. he softed Frisk which would make sense as 3P. that on top of shooting three people at once. also some sort of other power implied with "pacifist route". dunno. sounds too powerful to be flat scum or town.

"softed"

[McMenno]

he might as well have

[McMenno]

my flavor totally whoops his flavor's ass

[McMenno]

we had a bad time

[McMenno]

I am digging deep for motivation.
I hope Titus is town is all I have to say at current moment.

my friend firebringer good day

I ask you to move your vote to narna

I am seriously at a loss...

So, basically, this day has reached a point where most participants are so sure they are right that they will not even dare discuss the possibility of being wrong. The downtime didn't help either.

VOTE: McMenno

This is an L-2 vote.

What the game lacks right now is information and he is the most informative lynch choice we have. We are so lost in details right now, it isn't even funny.

how far are you with your catchup

[McMenno]

I'm kind of surprised McMenno hasn't done more to try and stop this.

humor me

[McMenno]

I am digging deep for motivation.
I hope Titus is town is all I have to say at current moment.

my friend firebringer good day

I ask you to move your vote to narna

I am seriously at a loss...

So, basically, this day has reached a point where most participants are so sure they are right that they will not even dare discuss the possibility of being wrong. The downtime didn't help either.

VOTE: McMenno

This is an L-2 vote.

What the game lacks right now is information and he is the most informative lynch choice we have. We are so lost in details right now, it isn't even funny.

how far are you with your catchup

[McMenno]

well that doesn't sound promising for your alignment

[McMenno]

it sure looks like you do

[McMenno]

I mean what did house really do

other than gum up the thread

might reread that iso

[McMenno]

Yeah this is where to go.

VOTE: Giovanni

SlySly is worth lynching too, but this is bad. And I scumread house ftr

let's not get hasty

[McMenno]

(9) McMenno -- Narna, Titus, massive, Shiro, Not Chara, Nahdia, PeregrineV, Leonshade, Giovanni il Pellegrino

[McMenno]

Yeah this is where to go.

VOTE: Giovanni

SlySly is worth lynching too, but this is bad. And I scumread house ftr

Your reads suck this game.

to the point where i'm thinking it's scummy

snarky is town bruh

[McMenno]

snarky is town bruh

based on...?

i'm really not liking his reads

is everyone who disagrees with your reads scum, then

[McMenno]

snarky is town bruh

based on...?

i'm really not liking his reads

is everyone who disagrees with your reads scum, then

not neccessarily but if someone is voting players I think are town then i'm gonna be wary of them obviously.

why do *you* read snowman as town?

well for one it's snarkysnowmen

he's really putting the extra mile in this game

[McMenno]

that's a lie

[McMenno]

the deadline isn't extended though?

[McMenno]

I don't think you've ever played with snarkysnowmen before

[McMenno]

meta what? I think you can reasonably compare snarkysnowmen's profile with yourself, creature

magna would back me up here

one second

[McMenno]

You want one other name for scum? SnarkySnowman. I think I've played one game previously with that cat, and his lurking game is his scum game.

Hey let me remind you of another game you technically played with him ... Kelbris'es Almost Vanilla.

I think you probably replaced into that game but it is an example of lurker Snarky as Town. In fact I'd go as far to say that lurking is probably more to his Town meta than his scum meta.

So color me unconvinced with this response ...

[McMenno]

I mean the same thing happened yesterday, and then magna of all people got panic lynched because zakk strongarmed it

[McMenno]

I was also voted by gamma emerald before the magna wagon happened

[McMenno]

see my comment on snarky wrt creature

[McMenno]

for fucking real

[McMenno]

i'm sans.

sans the skeleton.

and also effectively a vt until night 8

and skullduggery won't let me type in comic sans :'(

a coroner

I can investigate a dead player and see who killed them

@my snowy friend

[McMenno]

I don't think McMenno is scum.

where did you McMenno scumread go, and why?

I think his coroner claim looks fair, also I heard he usually whines as scum.

I mean, you were in summer mafia. judge for yourself

Skullduggery: i believe the bolded parts are errors in the posted votecount.

Translation:

There are no errors in post 4010.

UNVOTE:

Let's all slow down. Not Chara, did you rush that VC translation or are you sure it's completely correct?

yes, there were errors. i didn't rush it, but i did make mistakes.

Andrius is voting Narna, not Ankamius. Ankamius isn't voting. the rest was right.

the current count is now, not including your unvote, 10 votes for McMenno, and 7 votes for Narna.

well I do think that I'm on 9 votes currently, otherwise I'd be very very dead

[McMenno]

might go over their iso again after I wake up

[McMenno]

but yes it's very bad, you should read it sometime

but I'm sure he'll tell you all about it :^)

[McMenno]

I'm actually night 7 coroner

[McMenno]

In post 4050, SlySly wrote:
If I was scum, I would hammer.



I'll saves ya the troubles.

VOTE: McMenno

LOL XDXDXD

I embrace death

[McMenno]

final scumz
02 SirCakez
03 Giovanni il Pellegrino
07 Titus
13 Not Chara
18 Narna

I don't give a shit what you think, never lynch snarkysnowmen

[McMenno]

and zakk was killed to push my lynch through

[McMenno]

looks like it

[McMenno]

I hope the dead thread is like 20 pages of zakk-magna arguing

[McMenno]

yeah, I totally could have predicted that retarded lolhammer >.>

[McMenno]

...and...

[McMenno]

shit

[McMenno]

and u havent done shit.

false

[McMenno]

oMG scuMsLip!!!111ONE! xdxdxd

[McMenno]

okay, then next time I'll claim x-shot weak doctor or jailkeeper with a failed action.

[McMenno]

I'm actually night 7 coroner

This claim was part of why I hammered. I already scum read you HARD, but I also see no reason what-so-ever to claim that. If you're town, you're telling scum to shoot you before that. If you're scum, you're telling the town NOT to lynch you for 6 more days, AND telling the other scum team not to bother shooting you in the near future (next 3-4 days) either. Then again, if you're scum you KNOW which member of your team shot whom, and you could either tell the truth (if they've already been lynched or just about to .. i.e. bussing) or can LIE and blame it on on either someone who did flip or even a living town player you failed to NK.

All possibilities lead to this preemptive claim coming from scum.

if you

read the fucking thread

, you'll see that I claimed night

8

coronor,

not

night 7 (which I am). my plan was to reveal this fact on day 8 with a result, before scum had a chance to nightkill me. of course this didn't work out

[McMenno]

no because I would've used my ability night 7

[McMenno]

well, time to wait for skulldugeery then

[McMenno]

well, time to wait for skullduggery then

fix'd

[McMenno]

I'm dying

[McMenno]

I'm dying

[McMenno]

because I was at L-1 and under pressure to claim? did you

read the fucking game?