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Post Post #464 (isolation #0) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:25 pm

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On the bright side, that's the longest I've ever survived in a Mafia game on this board. I mean, I hit day two! A new record!
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Post Post #466 (isolation #1) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:34 pm

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In post 465, mhsmith0 wrote:Wow that sounds like my scum game too :p
Scum game? No, this is my first scum game on the site. I'm referring to my
town
game.

Apparently I just look incredibly scummy, regardless of alignment.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #2) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:51 am

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In post 467, mhsmith0 wrote:Oh. Well, I'd say practice makes perfect. Fwiw I'm good at avoiding rope as town, bad at it as a wolf. And those two probably feed into each other too *shrugs*
Though in this case, cookie's semi guilty on you and how you handled it largely gave you away. I'd say don't be afraid to ask for help/advice in scum chat when someone is hard-tunneling you in a way that suggests a guilty. Hard to avoid the rope regardless, but advice can sometimes make it go away or make people think "eh, keep it for another day" or the like.
In this case, the advice on the scum chat thread was "claim gunsmith, use this result"...

I think I could perhaps have turned it around if I hadn't then had to sleep.

...maybe.

Maybe not.
In post 468, SirCakez wrote:CCC you've just had bad luck with getting tunneled
Keep at it, you're a good player
Yeah, it's possible I'm reading too much into too few games, I guess.
In post 472, Wake1 wrote:It's the verbosity.

Try using brevity and instead ask short, pinpoint questions. Also short, critical observations.

This way you're posting way less yet appearing far more active and engaged.

Don't bring in all that math. If it rots my eyes as an observer, it'll rot my eyes as a player.

Moral of the story: you can say so much more by posting less.
Huh. Okay, I can see the point to this, but if I have to put on an act to look Townish when I am Town, then... well, that raises all sorts of questions.

...I'll take this under serious consideration. Thanks for the advice.
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Post Post #528 (isolation #3) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:05 pm

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In post 500, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 498, pieguyn wrote:
In post 496, CCC wrote:but if I have to put on an act to look Townish when I am Town, then... well, that raises all sorts of questions.
if this is what that would feel like for you, then almost definitely you've just had bad luck with being scum read, btw.
Ccc what was your town game where you were lynched?
[/url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67031]Since you ask...[/url]

There were definitely elements of bad luck in there. (Also, take note of Boring, who was in the same game and played a
brilliantly
effective Town - if she is the SK this game, I think she's got a chance)
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Post Post #529 (isolation #4) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:08 pm

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I'm kind of interested to see what happens tomorrow morning, when people start looking back at who I associated with and try to guess who else was in my mafia. And which if any of my reads were faked (almost none, I honestly think all my scumreads are on the opposing scumteam, but I wonder whether they'll expect that)
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Post Post #536 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:16 am

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In post 534, Wake1 wrote:So a Joat is scheduled to be killed by the SK tonight. It decides to Watch itself but is told it can't. It has a 1-Shot Commute. Will it make the right choice?
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Post Post #576 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:45 pm

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Ha. Brilliant. Four more Town down.

Hi, new ghosts!
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Post Post #578 (isolation #7) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:14 pm

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In post 577, Parama wrote:hey scumlord blue, what up wit yu
Eh, not much. Sitting back and laughing at how badly all my associatives are being misread.

Wasn't happy to be lynched, but it looks like that's going to lead directly to another mislynch or two, so guess that's positive...
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Post Post #594 (isolation #8) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:02 pm

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I actually suspect Titus of being Red Mafia...
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Post Post #596 (isolation #9) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:10 pm

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In post 595, Blanche wrote:Does the blue mafia have a gunsmith too?

~Giga head
That Day One gunsmith result on Serrapaladin? That was actually a genuine gunsmith result. (Sure, I got it via Mafia chat instead of gunsmithing myself, but nonetheless...)

...alright, one-shot JOAT gunsmith result, but still a real gunsmith result.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #10) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:20 am

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If they'd asked, I'd have already provided. I'm hoping the next lynch target is Egg. We need a red mafia player to fall...
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Post Post #673 (isolation #11) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:25 am

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In post 663, Wake1 wrote:With 4 NKs a Night it was pretty obvious. ;)

And she's a BEAST. Ninja/Ascetic/Bulletproof.
Yeek. That
is
a pretty powerful serial killer.

So... only cops can pick up on her, right? Not gunsmiths, not neopolitans, not vanilla cop... with a bit of imagination and preparation (and withholding a kill while someone else is getting roleblocked), she might even mislead roleblockers as to her identity... and she can only be killed by a lynch?
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Post Post #675 (isolation #12) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:31 am

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...gyah. Is there
any
role that can get an actual guilty result on her?
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Post Post #677 (isolation #13) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:40 am

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So the best that any role can do is get innocents on other people, and narrow down the field. But at the same time, some roles (Watcher, for example) could get what looks like an innocent result on
her
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Post Post #681 (isolation #14) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:15 am

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Oh, I'm not saying there aren't ways to catch her. There certainly are. And, playing one vs 40, she needs all those advantages.

I'm just a little surprised that there's no way to
confirm
her guilt before she flips.
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Post Post #718 (isolation #15) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:13 pm

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In post 716, Parama wrote:L O L iraon turned out to be scum? A LL OF THE KEKESSS
Yep. That's why I kept reading him as "town idiot" instead of "fellow blue mafia". After I flipped, I was afraid someone might pick up on that... it was the only read I had that
wasn't
genuine.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #16) » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:08 am

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In post 728, long_island_medium wrote:irao really did seem too dumb to be scum
i'll have to stop using that viewpoint

Don't worry, I spent my time deliberately encouraging you (and everyone else) to think that. I'm glad that at least
that
much worked.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #17) » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:25 am

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If he was Town, you should definitely not have lynched him. (As it so happens he's not, but nonetheless...)
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Post Post #733 (isolation #18) » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:28 am

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Oh, but
surely
you don't want to lynch
Town
, right?
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Post Post #735 (isolation #19) » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:42 am

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Precisely. Which means you should lynch him if and only if he is Mafia. Or the Serial Killer.
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Post Post #788 (isolation #20) » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:16 am

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In post 785, kraska77 wrote:Ya found it
In post 596, CCC wrote:
In post 595, Blanche wrote:Does the blue mafia have a gunsmith too?

~Giga head
That Day One gunsmith result on Serrapaladin? That was actually a genuine gunsmith result. (Sure, I got it via Mafia chat instead of gunsmithing myself, but nonetheless...)

...alright, one-shot JOAT gunsmith result, but still a real gunsmith result.
Yeah, but that wasn't a gunsmith
guilty
. That was a gunsmith
innocent
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Post Post #789 (isolation #21) » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:17 am

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Transcend:

Spoiler:
At least one of your "I think they're town" players is Blue Mafia
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Post Post #881 (isolation #22) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:31 am

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In post 869, Cookie Bakers wrote:Yeah. Shiro and I each had strong cases for Math being scum. I am settling on Math blue scum that investigated DGB.

As a member of the blue team myself, I can definitively say that...

Spoiler:
Mathblade is not and never was blue Mafia. Personally, I think he's just Town who's rather badly wrong about things.
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Post Post #923 (isolation #23) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:03 am

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Surely a doctor claim should be considered equal in power to the most powerful claimed role, when considering who to kill?
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:35 am

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Town has a lot going for it. The SK is in a far better position than at the start of the game, but there's still just
one
of her - her position will continually improve right up until she either
wins
or
dies
. Red Mafia is gutted, down to a single frantic member trying desperately to just live until a few more Townies die. Blue Mafia is... doing
better
than Red, but the loss of the Blue Roleblocker is still a fairly massive blow to their chances. Town
is
doing quite well, but having lost the gunsmith will have to actually do some serious scumhunting...
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #25) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:43 am

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Quick question - what does MVP stand for? I've seen it used here and there...
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Post Post #1094 (isolation #26) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:30 am

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Doesn't quite seem to fit the context:
In post 1062, Zachstralkita wrote:Narna gets MVP for #5162
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #27) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:55 am

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Ah, that makes sense, thank you. In this game, from the Town perspective, I think someone would have to do an awful lot to get that award away from Cookie Bakers.
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Post Post #1102 (isolation #28) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:34 pm

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In post 1097, mhsmith0 wrote:Boem nabbed the two scum roleblockers on night one w his actions. I'd say boem or cookie for towns mvp so far.
Boem has a good start, and he's still in the game, so he could still make up the difference, but for the moment I think Cookie is still ahead.
Titus wrote:Thank you CCC.
You were still annoying as anything, mind you, especially day one before you had any guilties. And even after I was lynched, I thought you were red scum for quite a while.

But you
did
find a surprisingly large amount of scum. (Starting with me, which was a bit unfortunate...)

You're certainly streets ahead of the Vigilante. (I don't think he's hit scum once yet, has he?)
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Post Post #1103 (isolation #29) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:38 pm

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In post 1100, Transcend wrote:What are the odds that both scum teams block the game person out of what would've been 35 candidates and watcher watches the same slot in his pool of 41?

Astronomical, imo.
If all three selections are truly random, then it comes out to 29 in 50225. Or close to one in 1730. Of course, interactions between players make it significantly less random than that.
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Post Post #1108 (isolation #30) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:47 pm

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In post 1104, Titus wrote:Yes, why was I annoying though?
You tunnelled on me, day one, before you had any actual evidence. That's the major reason. (Day two's tunnelling was even more annoying, but there you actually had evidence, so I can't really complain too much)
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #31) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:19 am

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In post 1111, Parama wrote:hey CCC.
evidence is not the end-all. scumhunting exists :P
Yeah, and if people were actually looking at my ISO and analysing it properly, knowing that I am scum, they should by now have picked up at least one of my as yet un-picked-up scumbuddies.

The fact that no-one's picked him up yet suggests that scumhunting isn't really much more powerful than random guesswork. This holds doubly on day one.
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #32) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:09 am

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In post 1118, Titus wrote:Yeah, on D1 there was evidence. If someone is taking both sides of an issue, that to me IS evidence of scuminess. It's why Shiro and I copped you.

D2 was tunnelling as evidence, laying crumbs to get your partners to talk, then springing the guilty. The lack of subtlety came from the guilties already in play and the fact that subtlety has never ever ever been my strong suit.
...might I ask which issue I was taking both sides of?
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #33) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:22 pm

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In post 1131, Titus wrote:
In post 1128, CCC wrote:
In post 1118, Titus wrote:Yeah, on D1 there was evidence. If someone is taking both sides of an issue, that to me IS evidence of scuminess. It's why Shiro and I copped you.

D2 was tunnelling as evidence, laying crumbs to get your partners to talk, then springing the guilty. The lack of subtlety came from the guilties already in play and the fact that subtlety has never ever ever been my strong suit.
...might I ask which issue I was taking both sides of?
It was the sole VT in role madness issue. You agreed with me then later scumread me for the same comments.
...sigh. So the entire scumread was based on a misunderstanding, then.

I guess that's about typical for my luck.
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Post Post #1141 (isolation #34) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:36 am

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Personally, I'm rooting for Blue Mafia.
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #35) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:04 pm

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In post 1148, mhsmith0 wrote:Btw blue Mafia saw a doctor action last night. Not sure why they aren't killing that player yet.
...I didn't see that mentioned in the blue mafia thread. Not sure why that player didn't inform his scumbuddies.
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Post Post #1150 (isolation #36) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:08 pm

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In post 1145, mhsmith0 wrote:Vig is actually shooting Mafia tonight :o
OK,
that's
new.
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:55 am

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Unfortunately for you, you replaced into an already heavily scumspected slot...
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:31 am

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By the bye, mhsmith0, I'm not sure if you can change this, but shouldn't the thread title read
Night
7 now?
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #39) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:41 pm

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In post 1172, mhsmith0 wrote:Math is just BEGGING for a night shot from scum lol
This can make scum wonder if he's a paranoid gun owner and try to get him lynched instead...
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #40) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:12 am

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Something just struck me.

There are 14 players left alive.

Five of these are anti-town (one SK, one Red Mafia, three Blue Mafia).

If a Town player is lynched today, and then there are three kills (I'm guessing Red Mafia will continue to try to hide), and all three kills hit Town, then there may well be as many anti-Town as Town players by tomorrow.

If Red Mafia stops hiding and hits Town tonight as well, then there may just possibly be more Anti-Town than Town tomorrow.

I mean, no single
faction
will have enough to win, but tonight could be quite the turning point.
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #41) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:13 am

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What's +EV?

I don't know all the terminology yet...
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #42) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:41 am

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In post 1180, mhsmith0 wrote:expected value. I.e. It's a role that's actively helpful. PGO is an anti town role generally, so -EV. Ditto stuff like compulsive bus driver, or a vig who takes bad shots (usually vig is +EV htough swingy)
Ah, right. That makes sense, thanks.
mhsmith0 wrote:A50 should have been blue shot last night. Just mechanically obvious.
I imagine that it probably would have been, had a certain someone seen fit to share his investigative result with his scumbuddies...

Still, given his accuracy today, I think he'll be in this thread fairly soon.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #43) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:51 am

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I don't see how a massclaim would stop us. All the Blue Mafia guys need to do is drop the "mafia" part from their titles and claim what's left, and we'll all fit right in.
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #44) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:32 am

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In post 5543, RachMarie wrote:lol ccc did not stand a chance his own team bussed him town wanted him lynched and red team also wanted him lynched :lol:
:cry:

(Really, under the circumstances, it was sensible for my teammates to jump on the bus...)
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #45) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:19 pm

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In post 1198, Titus wrote:
In post 1195, CCC wrote:
In post 5543, RachMarie wrote:lol ccc did not stand a chance his own team bussed him town wanted him lynched and red team also wanted him lynched :lol:
:cry:

(Really, under the circumstances, it was sensible for my teammates to jump on the bus...)
Yeah. Sorry for the slow roll. I wanted town at the front.
...you know, I'd never even
considered
using a confirmed guilty strategically like that before.
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #46) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:07 am

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No, I am being perfectly serious.

So far, on this site, I have (aside from this game) been in two Newbie games. In both of which, I was a vanilla townie. In both of which, I was killed day one. I haven't exactly been considering the strategics of how to use an investigative result (largely because I haven't
had
any investigative results to use).
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #47) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:59 am

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In post 1217, Titus wrote:If you have a guilty, and are forced to claim it, it's likely your last result.
Huh. That's an excellent point.

I guess if there's a doctor around, he can keep you alive; but just looking at the newbie grid setup, I see that doctor+cop is balanced by the Mafia roleblocker, who can also assure that the cop gets no more useful results, even if he's protected by the Doctor...

So, on the one hand, if you get a guilty you pretty much have to either announce it during the day, or get your target lynched; because if scum kill you on the following night, then no-one will know about your guilty, and you'll be left feeling very silly post-game. But it makes a lot of sense to try to build up a wagon on your guilty
before
- or, preferably,
without
- announcing the actual guilty, so you can hopefully get another, later. And, at the same time, finding any scum at all allows the rest of Town to skim back through his posts, and find out who he's treating as scumbuddies, and who he's not treating as scumbuddies.

...something which, of course, Town actually needs to go and do.
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #48) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:00 am

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In post 1221, Infinity 324 wrote:
so I guess it's

ira + vedith + gollum blue

Lapsa red?

And elyse sk
Spoiler:
I can see two right, two wrong, and one I don't know.
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #49) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:20 pm

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No no no no no...

Vote Gollum, people! Hammer him quickly! Don't vote for Ira! I want you to lynch a Townie!

Vote Gollum! Quickly, before the Ira wagon builds up any more steam!
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #50) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:53 am

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In post 1238, mhsmith0 wrote:Oh and red getting shot by sk
Awww... that means we're
not
getting more scum than town after tonight.

The sudden revelation of the last Red scum to Town-at-large should disconcert them somewhat, though; they'll suddenly be looking for an extra Blue.
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #51) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:21 am

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No, Gollum was hammered just
before
Ira's claim. Had Ira's claim come first, I'm sure he would have been lynched.

As it is, I expect a very short day tomorrow.

And Vedith, talk to your scumbuddies!
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #52) » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:41 pm

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Yeah, if our follower would
tell his scumbuddies
what he knows, then I'm sure the Doctor would be lynched in pretty short order...
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Post Post #1297 (isolation #53) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:51 am

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Vedith! Now that you can see the dead thread, I can yell at you more effectively. Why didn't you
TELL
the rest of Blue Team when you followed the Doctor?
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #54) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:51 pm

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Gyah! Vedith! You knew who the doctor was! Why did you not tell people?
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #55) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:42 am

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Hmmm, that's interesting.

Double kill on Shaziro makes him die despite the Doc's attempt to heal him (this after several days of doubled kills so Town thinks there are only two killers remaining). Next day, the Doc starts suggesting that the SK is a strongman...
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Post Post #1427 (isolation #56) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:11 am

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I suspect that SK and Blue might both go after the Doctor tonight, leaving a 3:1:1 situation. Once PeregrineV flips genuine Vigilante, there will be a certain amount of suspicion pointed at Elyse for her claim; though Lapsa and Narna will also be under suspicion at that point. But an Elyse lynch is quite possible; then Lapsa nightkills Rach to leave the town in a 2:1 lylo with Mathblade and Narna.

...which means that, right now, the game is still winnable for Blue Mafia.
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #57) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:45 am

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In post 1434, Titus wrote:And Elyse basically just ensures she'd win a lynch against PV

PV has to shoot Elyse... or volunteer to be lynched tomorrow, with a Lapsa lynch
PV can't shoot Elyse. She's bulletproof.
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #58) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:18 am

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Some of the time, Mathblade was trying to divert a wagon on blue scum by proposing a wagon on other blue scum. It's just that his proposed targets tended to remain alive for quite a bit, so no-one noticed...
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #59) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:45 am

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In post 1516, mhsmith0 wrote:Lynch a50 he has to be the bp investigative immune sk, why would he still be alive otherwise...
You forgot "strongman".
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Post Post #1583 (isolation #60) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:41 pm

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Blue Mafia's best hope is for Elyse to be lynched. Any other lynch results in a highly probable forced SK win.
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Post Post #1634 (isolation #61) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:51 pm

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It's interesting how Almost pretty much has everything worked out (except with one detail wrong, which doesn't make a difference as to who the SK is), so from his point of view the game can be won simply by persuasive communication... Elyse is doing an excellent job of fighting back against that lynch, though.
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Post Post #1654 (isolation #62) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:06 pm

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In post 1651, Infinity 324 wrote:It frustrates me to no end that the entire mylo argument is based on incorrect role knowledge.
It's the one thing Almost has wrong, so of course Elyse is pushing hard on it...
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Post Post #1697 (isolation #63) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:57 am

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Elyse kills a50, and then on the next day she admits she was wrong about him being the SK, and therefore that his case on Narna must have been correct.
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Post Post #1715 (isolation #64) » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:36 am

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mhsmith0: You have Rach under both "No Lynch" and "Not Voting".

Klingoncelt: Then Elyse will hammer Narna and kill almost50 at night, instantly winning the game.
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #65) » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:19 am

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In post 1724, Klingoncelt wrote:And they voted to drag it out.

*cries*
To be fair, Elyse has manoeuvred herself into a pretty good position. Narna thinks Almost is the serial killer, and Almost thinks Narna is the serial killer; Elyse has made an appeal to Rach to help choose between the two of them.

I don't see why she'd vote for a draw in the current situation.
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Post Post #1741 (isolation #66) » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:08 pm

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Narna? Claiming SK as a joke was a
really bad idea
.
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