Micro 652 - Double Day Unlimited (Over)

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VOTE: not mafia

Agreed

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Hi friend

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UNVOTE: not mafia
VOTE: Lowell

What a cute way to hide a l2

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VOTE: not mafia

L2

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What's wrong with what I'm doing?

The best way to hide as scum is to townhunt

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- Votes are counted in the order they are placed on a post. It is impossible to lynch multiple people with one lynch scene.

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NM have we had this conversation before?

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Heya guys. Not voting yet

So I guess nobody is going to acknowledge this?

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Lowel, can you explain your implied town reads?

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Fair, can't RVS when any vote puts someone to L-1

Aelin's statement is fair but actually trying to push the game forward would be nice.

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May the game be pushed forward by a strange force.

Let's demystify the strange force.

Questions

Reads

Other pertinent opinions

Etc

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Fair, can't RVS when any vote puts someone to L-1

Aelin's statement is fair but actually trying to push the game forward would be nice.

Regardless of anyone acknowledging the post, what are your thoughts on it? Why do you think it should be acknowledged?

When someone doesn't have anything to say, directly interacting with them or talking about them is the best way to give them something to say

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How is Not_Mafia townhunting here?

By assuming scum until town, which means he only really has to explain town reads. Everyone else is scum "just because"

I can't think of another way to interpret such a post

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Heya guys. Not voting yet

So I guess nobody is going to acknowledge this?

Are you FoSing Aelin? Why didn't you vote him/her?

This is not a fos. My previous posts probably explain this better

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Genuine towniness is easy to find, genuine scumminess is very rare.

Rare is still more often than nonexistent. If you're scum you can only find nonexistent scumminess unless you bus, which can only get you so far. Especially in a micro

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VOTE: not mafia

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How come?

You just put everyone at L-2, If anyone tried to lynch anyone, then it's pretty easy for derphammering to occur.
That's why I was suspicious of you, along with a guts feeling, why would you put everyone at L-2?

Though that doesn't make you mega scummy, It's a small Fos

So scum could have the pleasure of obviously disagreeing with me, saying how putting ppl at L-2 is oh so bad, while they think saying that makes them look super townie and careful.

And to generate discussion, yes.

How are you so sure that's what scum would do?

This sounds like you've just added unnecessary wifom to the early game.

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Regardless of anyone acknowledging the post, what are your thoughts on it? Why do you think it should be acknowledged?

When someone doesn't have anything to say, directly interacting with them or talking about them is the best way to give them something to say

Why did you not start yourself then? "Did no one acknowledge this?" is kind of a weird starter. Do you think it is suspicious/alignment indicative or not?

I think lurking comes more often from weak players than scum.

It is a weird starter, but I think scum and town would react to it differently.

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How am I supposed to scum hunt without calling things scummy?

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Genuine towniness is easy to find, genuine scumminess is very rare.

Rare is still more often than nonexistent. If you're scum you can only find nonexistent scumminess unless you bus, which can only get you so far. Especially in a micro

What?

I'm not explaining well but a summary should suffice.

The best way to find scum is to see who is faking their scum hunting. I have no clue how someone can disagree with that but that's not here nor there

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What do you mean when you say crossed?

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Still only feel safe with nmego, Not_Mafia and Lowell, but I doubt this townblock will form.

I have no clue how you feel this is worthy of a townbloc

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Town can actually have genuine reads, scum are most likely going to fabricate them (and it won't be that obvious).

To me this sounds exactly why you should be looking out for scum more than town

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Ugh I haven't checked those links but I'm assuming you used poe in them.

Gone for only three months and the new meta is already making my eye twitch

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nmego12345
qubixes

Creature
ecane

Lowell
Not_Mafia

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Actually Lowell isn't as bad as I thought but is still pretty eh

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Wait no I forgot about 10

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Sorry for the double post. Site's been crashing for me. :/

How do so many of you guys have a read on Not_Mafia? It's like a total null for me. Is there meta involved or something?

Aside from the fact that he proclaimed he was going to scum hunt in a very ineffective way and then dipped, he does have a meta of lurking more as scum

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Flubbernaught, reasons for your reads? I'm assuming the top is town, the middle is null and the bottom is scum?

My reads list is a rough summary of my iso so the reasoning is in there. If I missed something, you are welcome to point it out and I will fill it in

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Aelin is probably going to end up being replaced. Has anyone seen them elsewhere on site?

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My suspicions that you're not town continue to grow

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He's obvtown

You're still scum

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Thor:

nmego is asking a lot of questions, and although some of them are unnecessary, in aggregate they seem more eager to solve the game than waste time. Their posting is also kinda carefree, and I haven't seen any contradictions in them, which is a town tell.

What makes Aelin's activity different from scp's?

Why do you think we should only have two votes in play?

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I dunno, what?

This was not a rhetorical question. You are scum reading me for making a "snide attack" on Aelin while doing the same thing to scp for the same reason. Your push is arguably worse because you're actually accusing scp of being scummy instead of trying to get them to post more.

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Because any more votes than that occludes VCA, and I consider VCA useful.
If I thought I could enforce it I'd insist on only single votes, but as stands I think getting people to not derp vote 3+ people and lazy sit on a tertiary wagon that goes through is about all I feel like I can swing.
Do you disagree?

I've never used vca enough to argue it's utility or how the mechanics of this game will alter it. My concern was whether or not you wanted to stick to two votes because three votes guarantees at least on to be on town.

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*at least one

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He can't really "contradict" empty questions and dithering, so I'll agree with you on that point, though don't think he's remotely said anything near enough to claim lack of contradictions to a town level.
I don't really see him solving the game.
I'm not sure how to gauge "carefree" but he's certainly not going out and stepping on toes - which I would suggest is in line with a newbie scum going with the general attack flow.

I see what you're saying in reference to the "empty questions". However, I see him not stepping on toes out of being newbie town that doesn't know how to. His questions look like attempts to "fill in the gaps" to a lot of what we take for granted with what needs to be said in a game. This resonates about how I felt as newb town around the time you IC'd me.

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Page - 7 Malp sure is taking a long time to read 6 pages... (<- the ellipses means I'm calling that scummy and sad)

Of all people to blatantly lie like this i would have expected it from someone else

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With enough time...

How come?

You just put everyone at L-2, If anyone tried to lynch anyone, then it's pretty easy for derphammering to occur.
That's why I was suspicious of you, along with a guts feeling, why would you put everyone at L-2?

Though that doesn't make you mega scummy, It's a small Fos

you kinda just get why speedwagons get things moving

Heya guys. Not voting yet

So I guess nobody is going to acknowledge this?

Are you FoSing Aelin? Why didn't you vote him/her?

you start to understand that you have to be creative (and sometimes vague) to catch a lurker's interest

Oh, so L-2 was for the sake of discussion. Acknowledged.
unFoS ecane

Creature explain your townreads on everyone

same thing with the speedwagon

malpascp

Lowell

qubixes

Creature
nmego12345

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Aelin

Not_Mafia

ecane

What's that?

you can see what a PoE looks like

I thought about voting one of the inactives to pressure them to talk but one of them is busy irl and Aelin is at L-2, I'm not planning on bringing somebody to L-1.

You kinda just know directly pestering a lurker won't work

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I could keep citing these growing pains but this is the basic idea throughout

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Page - 7 Malp sure is taking a long time to read 6 pages... (<- the ellipses means I'm calling that scummy and sad)

Ah this.

Yeah, I stand by that.
Him not posting back makes it feel more like a lie - it's less the activity and more the lie of him not fulfilling what he claimed.
Also, if you want a specific difference, I would note my defense of Aelin's activity included the comment about her replacing out - pretty sure Malp hasn't, so - maybe that's the difference?

So uhhh I was just supposed to magically know Aelin was going to replace out?

Heya guys. Not voting yet

So I guess nobody is going to acknowledge this?

Also, going and looking, your attack wasn't about activity on Aelin - so it's not even like it's hypocritical of me to *have* attacked Mal over activity and still have issues with your attack.
So, where's the fire here, jack?
You're saying this is an activity attack?

...duh?

How else do you get someone to post more?

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I could keep citing these growing pains but this is the basic idea throughout

You have successfully shown that evidence supports the idea he is probably a newbie.
I fail to see the alignment presumption that follows.

I fail to see your presumption the same way.

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Since I'm not trying to argue that the slot is newb, it doesn't really matter.
You are trying to argue the slot is town - what part about asking questions about general gameplay speaks to alignment?

You're trying to argue the slot is scum

It does matter

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Did you find particular posts by nmego that gave you scum vibes?

This should be good

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@Thor:

On Page 3 -
Nmego vibes very scum to me.

Did you find particular posts by nmego that gave you scum vibes?

What do you think of my (short) analysis of nmego in 176? I'll add that there does seem to be a change in attitude after getting (kind of?) called out by ecane in 142. All in all, I'm not seeing the obv-town, but I'm not really leaning scum on him either.

For Nmego it is pretty much a body of work opinion. As noted in my earlier discussion about him - I find his posting pretty empty.
I think you finding his sudden eagerness to leap onto the Creature wagon to not be a particularly brilliant example to hold up as townish. Even if I presume he's town, he looks just eager to make any wagon happen in that post. If I presume he's scum he's opportunistic, and playing a protective game on himself. Neither is a particularly good look, and the scum one at least presumes he cares, so feels more likely in a vacuum.

Yep it was good

Half the game is at L2 and only one player looks like opportunistic scum for it?

NM Ecane and Lowell look a LOT more opportunistic than that

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Flubber, sure. N_M, no.

I will die of laughter if you're both scum

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the most focused attack he has is basically asking other people to attack someone for something he doesn't even find scummy but agrees with.

This is objectively wrong

And if you're saying attack with implications of scumread we're on further pages than I thought

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How does evidence (or lack thereof) of the slot being newb matter to me claiming the slot is town?
I also note you dodged the question for a second time.

I told you why I thought nmego was town. I then gave you examples. I brought you to water and you didn't drink. That's fine. Handwaving that by accusing me of dodging your question is dishonest and scummy.

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I can't clip lines out of your wall anymore. Yay phone posts.

Ecane's 26 looked like pushing towards an easy accidental mislynch under the guise of getting reactions. This is especially so considering there was some decent anti town behavior that sat before 26 for comment

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You are still objectively wrong regardless of my perspective by the definition of objective. Are you really going to argue that a passing aggravation is more focused than a vote with an accusation under it?

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And yes I "attacked" your slot without scumreading it and I stand by it. When is the last time you found scum by rubbing their back and kissing them on the cheek?

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VOTE: not mafia

L2

What's wrong with what I'm doing?

The best way to hide as scum is to townhunt

And this is because you're extremely predictable so I know you're going to look at 222 and think "well Flubber didn't cite it so he must be bullshitting"

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How does evidence (or lack thereof) of the slot being newb matter to me claiming the slot is town?
I also note you dodged the question for a second time.

I told you why I thought nmego was town. I then gave you examples. I brought you to water and you didn't drink. That's fine. Handwaving that by accusing me of dodging your question is dishonest and scummy.

I think Thor is asking a very reasonable question. In 195 you talk about the "growing pains" of nmego being indicative of newb!town. Why would newb!scum not show these growing pains?

I would expect the blithering to be more defensive instead of inquisitive.

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I can't clip lines out of your wall anymore. Yay phone posts.

Ecane's 26 looked like pushing towards an easy accidental mislynch under the guise of getting reactions. This is especially so considering there was some decent anti town behavior that sat before 26 for comment

So I'm opportunistic because I didn't buy your Not_Mafia is scummy for townhunting stuff?
People have different ways of scum hunting, I think townhunting is completely valid, thinking that townhunting is scummy is also valid. However, assuming people will agree with what you think is scummy is bs.

Why haven't you metioned that before, and if that was the case why haven't you voted me?

I'm not accusing you of being optimistic. I am saying it makes no sense to ignore this while portraying other events in the game as optimistic.

Thor, this should answer your question too.

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I think the cheek kissing works better than attacking a slot by asking other people to attack something that you agree isn't a bad comment and isn't scum telling - yes.
Everyone knows backrubs don't work though - derp

Again you are objectively wrong.

Accusations bring forth more prominent emotional actions than questions. Trying to bring the perception of everyone's eyes on someone does the same.

If that slot was newbie scum not knowing how to vote, I can guarantee they would have looked at that post and freaked out. I remember doing that several times

well

after being a newbie.

Like, I get that you take a very cold approach to mafia, but I don't get not being able to see that other people play differently.

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I don't know if I can make a meaningful post today. If I am not back by the weekend, I will request replacement.

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Well there's less than half a page to catch up on so never mind.

No, I'm not objectively wrong, especially as you shift the posts.

Your answer sounds fine - except you weren't doing the attack, you were trying to get other people to attack it *while claiming you were fine with the action* so if it was a scumhunting attempt, theoretically it was a scumhunting attempt on everyone else to see how they'd attack something you didn't think was bad.

Okay so in the exact post you're quoting I explained why I am more concerned with what Aelin's action would have been than with everyone else's.

Who's shifting posts now?

I understand that other people play differently - it's why people often complain that I pepper players with constant questions about motivation.
I fail to see the motivation here - it's why I'm asking so many questions about it.
The answers aren't helping.
I get that you're a special and different snowflake.
But the "newb" acted fine to your comment.
Multiple experienced players called you out on it.
Hint: that makes it a questionable action.

I find it very hard to believe that this is the only time you've ever seen a post like that. I'm also interested as to what you see as calling it out.

There is literally no way you know how Aelin acted to the comment unless you are that account's alt, or you broke site rules by discussing this ongoing game with them.

@flubber: Apart from defending yourself, what are your thoughts on the game? Do you think Thor's attack on you is scum or town motivated? Do you (strongly) scum read ecane?

VOTE: flubernugget

My reads really haven't changed. I could see Thor as scum in a vacuum. His perspective on 46 is REALLY shady, as highlighted by 198, 218, 222, 224, 251, and part of this post. However, nm and lowell are still stronger scum reads. NM may not be very active as town, but he knows how to post at least

something

relevant. Lowell's continuous question dodges from ecane and 230 are also

really

bad.

Why do you think I am only defending myself when I talk to Thor?

also, quote me where I said I scum read ecane

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If you don't have a scum read on ecane, you are just throwing shade around. So did you scum read ecane or not? Because your "show me where I said I scum read ecane" is suggesting you don't scum read her.

Had I agreed that nmego was being opportunistic, I would understand where you are coming from here.

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Thor accused nmego of being opportunistic. I wanted to know why he pointed this out without saying anything about three other players that were behaving in a similar way.

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Laaaame

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Probably not. It's pretty weird that you didn't ask that about my bottom two though.

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If three players are acting opportunistic, what sense does it make to only call out one of them?

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Lowell's reaction to the hammer seemed genuine, don't think scum!N_M would make that hammer.

1. I disagree that Lowell's reaction to the hammer seemed genuine
2. I disagree that scum nm would not make that hammer, especially since it was fake

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@thor why do you think Aelin acted fine to my post?

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You - by ignoring that you;
1. Said you were fine with Aelin's play.
2. Asked other people to attack her - as opposed to attacking it yourself.

You've now shifted #1 to the opposite - meaning you apparently did find some issue with her because you wanted a reaction.
and also have ignored #2 - wherein if you had an issue with her play/wanted a reaction you should have been willing to do the attack as opposed to asking for someone to do so.

Quote me where I said I was fine with Aelin's play

I already explained why I asked other people to attack her

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I would rather scp replace out than get policy lynched. With the deadline where it's at we've already lost our second lynch for today, so I'm still pushing for either a Lowell or NM lynch

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@Creature

You asked if I was willing to trade my life for Thor's. Considering I find several players scummier than Thor, I find your question very strange. What were you trying to accomplish with what you asked?

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You'll have to wait until October 25th, then 2 more days for the prod and 1 more day for the replace out, not counting the possibility of malpascp prod-dodging.

And?

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Yeah I'm getting where you guys are coming from now

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SCP you have till tomorrow night to make a catch up post. I am going to hammer if I don't see one.

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I don't have an opinion on how she reacted to your post.
I'm not trying to analyze that slot.

But you literally said Aelin reacted fine to my post

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But the "newb" acted fine to your comment.

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In the post you quoted, I said I was not okay with Aelin not putting new info into the thread.

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You did.
And I explained why it's a scum tactic and a goal post move when you asked me what my issue with it was - what of it?

So

Trying to make a slot feel like the spotlight is on it is a scum tactic?

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VOTE: Lowell
VOTE: not mafia

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Aelin coild

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^^Disregard that

There is a very obvious reason Aelin didn't do the things I would expected them to do if they were scum. The careful observer will note that the slot REPLACED OUT BEFORE THEY COULD REACT TO ANYTHING I POSTED

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If you thought that you wouldn't be agreeing with Thor.....

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Yeah re reading what you said my snark was unwarranted there

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Thor what are your thoughts on lowell?

I will read through this later

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Yeah re reading what you said my snark was unwarranted there

Most of your rejoinders are like that thus far - empty noise.

Yes Thor you are the only person that has ever mattered ever and everything you disagree with is worthless

Give me a break

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VOTE: Flubber

I would like to know why you are sleeping a scum read of yours

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The key word is "sheeping"

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Yes and I stand by my point that not everything you disagree with is empty noise

I have responded to the majority of what you have posted. You've said you don't like it, which means there was actual content in there to disagree with

The only point I "invented" was where I misunderstood who your newb comment referred to which I dropped (ie didn't make empty noise over) when the ambiguity was cleared

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Thor what are your thoughts on lowell?

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Thor what are your thoughts on lowell?

That he got lynched.

NM fakehammered.

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Okay

VOTE: Lowell

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If you'd like to explain how asking for a stance on a player is an attack during twilight I would be highly amused

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The attack was the implication that you were making that I ws avoiding the question.
Also it supports my stance that you aren't reading.

I was more concerned with locking you into a stance with Lowell right before the flip

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VOTE: not mafia

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So Thor, you're entertaining the idea that I am scum and chose Creature as a nk because of thier push on me? You can't think of another player that's been pushing for my lynch just a

liiiiiitle

bit harder?

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Sure I can.
But like Aero *literally* just said - the fact that a supporter of your wagon died and the direct pusher didn't doesn't make it look like a setup of you, but rather a defensive play.

I have no clue how backtracking to what aero said after you made your post is relevant to your thoughts

VOTE: Thor

Your "newbie soup" comment is extremely bothering on second glance. I don't understand why a renowned IC like you would spend more time tunneling at me than directly reaching your case out to other players.

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The death of Creature is...conflicted in my mind. One possible argument is that his death speaks to Flubber scum due to how the vote push went near end of day. T

Thor are you talking about this?

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I've sorted the ones who are posting.
I also *literally* just got done reaching out with my case to Aero, so I don't get your whine here.
It's empty - like all of your posts.

Okay I don't care who you sorted, and aero isn't a newbie or acting like one, and you know damn well that if you want someone to sheep you it takes a lot more than asking once.

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I've been sick for the last few days so prodge and I might get back to this

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If you don't care who I have or haven't sorted then why are you complaining that I'm not sorting people? I wasn't the one who started this conversation.
I'll agree Aero isn't acting like one - I didn't say he was.
I'll agree that it takes more than a single interaction - I wasn't aware that I'd claimed I was going to stop, and I'm also not aware that Aero had been back to address my initial interaction yet, so - as usual - this is an empty attack.
This entire post was.

I don't mean reaching out as trying to determine other players' alignments. I don't recall ever seeing the term used that way. I have seen you literally harass players to vote on one of your wagons and in this game you're not doing that to the slightest extent.

#86 Flub softdefence of N_M

This is not a defense of NM and I have no clue how you are seeing it as such.

I'm also interested in why you have pointed out more you don't like about my play than thor's yet still have him lower on your list.

Regardless, what is the point of fence sitting on Thor vs flubber for example if I'm scum? Unless you think it's exactly me and flubber as a team?

Stalling lynches while we were low on time

The extent of your case is that he is kind of fencesitting and drifts onto votes.
I see that as a clear suggestion of newb rather than scum.
I also strongly disagree with you that he has failed to offer up unique thoughts and valid opinions that were not part of the social stream - how many do I need to showcase for you to make you believe he's town? One, two, more than five?
I'd also like to see you outline the suspect votes you think he's made and actually explain the scum motive beyond "he was late on the wagon" as you and I both know scum also often occupy the fronts of wagons, and it's all a matter of playstyle - so what makes *his* playstyle the latecomer scum?

I agree with you that quibixes has made original thoughts. However, I don't see how his fencesitting implies newb over scum given the timing of it

1. I'm not attributing a scum motive. If you read my post to Aeronaut, I'm currently not sure on you or flubber. The most important part is that I'm trying to find out is why you have that particular perception of Ecane getting undeserved heat. I'm (currently) not doubting you actually believing that, regardless of either of your alignments. I find that matching perceptions like these can be a useful way to find out whether another player is town, and admittedly a little less useful in figuring out whether the player is scum. I think it is kind of weird though you're going "what? are you scumreading me" for the second time, when I'm not actually doing so. Is my line of question weird or something?

There are two alignments in this game. Saying something can find someone as town well while saying it can't determine whether or not they are scum sounds really foot in mouth

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Sure why not. Why are you trying to threaten me?

I don't know what you mean by wide net

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As long as you ignore me literally doing it to Aero and qubixes before you even created this complaint - sure.

How about the rest of the game

I see 232, and 390 before aero came into the game. Fill me in where I'm missing it

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Here's the entire game;

malpascp (lurker)
Lowell (lurker)
qubixes (Reach out)
Creature (Suspected you)
Aeronaut (Reach out)
Flubbernugget (You)
Not_Mafia (already suspects you)
ecane (lurker)

Who do you think I'm dropping the ball in not reaching out to?
Specifically?
This attack is silly and empty.

I'm not impressed by you dismissing everyone as a lurker and therefore not trying to persuade them the way you would anyone else. Especially since you still did interact with these players with the intent of "sorting" them. If you really want, I can give you the nature of scp's "I'm going to catch up" posting as a reason for exception, but that's still pretty lame

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I'll have to respond to qubixes later because I'm at work

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I think the thing that's bothering me about Thor is that I too feel like he's not quite pushing as hard as he usually does as town? Like, him having all this good stuff on flub, but being fine with a "compromise" on NM just seems like he doesn't really care much who it is

He is driving a mislynch and tunneling real hard so there's not a lot of information after it and you're falling for it. This is why he is driving his "empty" buzzword so hard right now, and it's why I'm not ignoring him or backing down..

You were in masquerade right? Remember how he was throwing a fit because town wasn't starting to compromise by the first week of d1? Why isn't that happening here when town is an arguably bigger mess than there, and we have an extra lynch to fit in the day? I understand that meta can be washy with reads, but I've never seen Thor argue back that playing in that way was suboptimal.

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Because it is kind of nonsensical? I voted almost every viable wagon Day 1 (You, N_M, mal, Lowell), how is that trying to stall to vote? Yes, as has been noted by Aero, I wasn't the earliest on the wagons, but that was partly me not realizing we wouldn't get more time after the lynch. And it wasn't like I was the problem that the game was stalling, when about half refuses to give almost any content. And where were you talking about my stalling tactics Day 1 if you thought that way about it? If you thought I was scum, you already had two others thinking the same thing. And please explain to me if you were so worried about the time we had for the second lynch, why give Mal more time?

I dont remember the sequence of your votes, but having 4 viable wagons instead of 1 or 2 makes hammering a more difficult decision which is going to make players more cautious which can stall and stagnate the game. It could have explained the lack of content from players too if it generated enough apathy. I will have to look more closely at your voting history.

I admittedly didn't see anything look like stalling until it was entertained as an idea. Mal cited irl issues to their lurking and I will always respect a claim of that nature.

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And I wasn't "threatening" you. I mean what can I threaten you with? A vote? A good rebuttal/argument on why you're scum? That sounds kind of ridiculous. Especially given that my own position isn't exactly conf town for everyone. But it's good you feel threatened, I guess?? I can understand why you would feel threatened as scum... I was giving you an opportunity to either tell me my interpretation was wrong, explain your argument better, or admit that it sounds pretty silly indeed. And yes, I was mildly entertained by the suggestion..

You're highlighting the reason I called you out because...?

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Flubber utterly ducked me pointing out how his complaint was empty.
Then complains that I'm hammering on the empty thing in an empty way.
Yeah...

@Flubber - you have a hammer intent, claim time chuckles.

I pointed out how you are playing less aggressively here than I have seen before. Just because I didn't address you doesn't mean its not there.

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I already cited masquerade. You were more aggressive there than you were here. The only time i have seen you tunnel like this as town is when ETL kept saying you were playing poorly in one of my first newbies. She admitted that she knew that she could play to your ego to have town lynch you out of apathy. Nobody is playing to your ego here. I don't think I've played with you as scum, but if I know you're not acting town, there's only one other option. You're welcome to point out meta that says otherwise, but in addition to everything you've pushed at me that came from awkward angles that I refuted, there is plenty reason to see that you're more concerned with making the same noise you're pushing on me as a scum tell.

There is one town role in this game. How does it take time to fake claim as scum when there is only one option? If your accusations of my emptiness have so much weight to them, why do you have to keep making empty noise about me not claiming?

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Christ do I fucking hate my scumgame

Good job town

Thanks for modding Chaos