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In post 1, ChaosOmega wrote:- Votes are counted in the order they are placed on a post. It is impossible to lynch multiple people with one lynch scene.-
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Aelin's statement is fair but actually trying to push the game forward would be nice.In post 47, Creature wrote:Fair, can't RVS when any vote puts someone to L-1-
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Let's demystify the strange force.In post 52, Creature wrote:May the game be pushed forward by a strange force.
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When someone doesn't have anything to say, directly interacting with them or talking about them is the best way to give them something to sayIn post 57, qubixes wrote:
Regardless of anyone acknowledging the post, what are your thoughts on it? Why do you think it should be acknowledged?In post 50, Flubbernugget wrote:
Aelin's statement is fair but actually trying to push the game forward would be nice.In post 47, Creature wrote:Fair, can't RVS when any vote puts someone to L-1-
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By assuming scum until town, which means he only really has to explain town reads. Everyone else is scum "just because"In post 61, nmego12345 wrote:How is Not_Mafia townhunting here?
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This is not a fos. My previous posts probably explain this betterIn post 62, nmego12345 wrote:
Are you FoSing Aelin? Why didn't you vote him/her?In post 46, Flubbernugget wrote:
So I guess nobody is going to acknowledge this?In post 38, Aelin wrote:Heya guys. Not voting yet-
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Rare is still more often than nonexistent. If you're scum you can only find nonexistent scumminess unless you bus, which can only get you so far. Especially in a microIn post 87, Creature wrote:Genuine towniness is easy to find, genuine scumminess is very rare.-
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How are you so sure that's what scum would do?In post 69, ecane wrote:
So scum could have the pleasure of obviously disagreeing with me, saying how putting ppl at L-2 is oh so bad, while they think saying that makes them look super townie and careful.In post 58, nmego12345 wrote:
You just put everyone at L-2, If anyone tried to lynch anyone, then it's pretty easy for derphammering to occur.In post 30, ecane wrote:How come?
That's why I was suspicious of you, along with a guts feeling, why would you put everyone at L-2?
Though that doesn't make you mega scummy, It's a small Fos
And to generate discussion, yes.
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I think lurking comes more often from weak players than scum.In post 93, qubixes wrote:
Why did you not start yourself then? "Did no one acknowledge this?" is kind of a weird starter. Do you think it is suspicious/alignment indicative or not?In post 83, Flubbernugget wrote:
When someone doesn't have anything to say, directly interacting with them or talking about them is the best way to give them something to sayIn post 57, qubixes wrote: Regardless of anyone acknowledging the post, what are your thoughts on it? Why do you think it should be acknowledged?
It is a weird starter, but I think scum and town would react to it differently.-
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I'm not explaining well but a summary should suffice.In post 92, Creature wrote:
What?In post 89, Flubbernugget wrote:
Rare is still more often than nonexistent. If you're scum you can only find nonexistent scumminess unless you bus, which can only get you so far. Especially in a microIn post 87, Creature wrote:Genuine towniness is easy to find, genuine scumminess is very rare.
The best way to find scum is to see who is faking their scum hunting. I have no clue how someone can disagree with that but that's not here nor there-
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I have no clue how you feel this is worthy of a townblocIn post 106, Creature wrote:Still only feel safe with nmego, Not_Mafia and Lowell, but I doubt this townblock will form.-
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To me this sounds exactly why you should be looking out for scum more than townIn post 119, Creature wrote:Town can actually have genuine reads, scum are most likely going to fabricate them (and it won't be that obvious).-
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Aside from the fact that he proclaimed he was going to scum hunt in a very ineffective way and then dipped, he does have a meta of lurking more as scumIn post 132, ecane wrote:Sorry for the double post. Site's been crashing for me. :/
How do so many of you guys have a read on Not_Mafia? It's like a total null for me. Is there meta involved or something?-
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My reads list is a rough summary of my iso so the reasoning is in there. If I missed something, you are welcome to point it out and I will fill it inIn post 134, nmego12345 wrote:Flubbernaught, reasons for your reads? I'm assuming the top is town, the middle is null and the bottom is scum?-
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Thor:
nmego is asking a lot of questions, and although some of them are unnecessary, in aggregate they seem more eager to solve the game than waste time. Their posting is also kinda carefree, and I haven't seen any contradictions in them, which is a town tell.
What makes Aelin's activity different from scp's?
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This was not a rhetorical question. You are scum reading me for making a "snide attack" on Aelin while doing the same thing to scp for the same reason. Your push is arguably worse because you're actually accusing scp of being scummy instead of trying to get them to post more.In post 181, Thor665 wrote:I dunno, what?-
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I've never used vca enough to argue it's utility or how the mechanics of this game will alter it. My concern was whether or not you wanted to stick to two votes because three votes guarantees at least on to be on town.In post 181, Thor665 wrote:Because any more votes than that occludes VCA, and I consider VCA useful.
If I thought I could enforce it I'd insist on only single votes, but as stands I think getting people to not derp vote 3+ people and lazy sit on a tertiary wagon that goes through is about all I feel like I can swing.
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I see what you're saying in reference to the "empty questions". However, I see him not stepping on toes out of being newbie town that doesn't know how to. His questions look like attempts to "fill in the gaps" to a lot of what we take for granted with what needs to be said in a game. This resonates about how I felt as newb town around the time you IC'd me.In post 181, Thor665 wrote:He can't really "contradict" empty questions and dithering, so I'll agree with you on that point, though don't think he's remotely said anything near enough to claim lack of contradictions to a town level.
I don't really see him solving the game.
I'm not sure how to gauge "carefree" but he's certainly not going out and stepping on toes - which I would suggest is in line with a newbie scum going with the general attack flow.-
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Of all people to blatantly lie like this i would have expected it from someone elseIn post 162, Thor665 wrote:Page - 7 Malp sure is taking a long time to read 6 pages... (<- the ellipses means I'm calling that scummy and sad)-
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With enough time...
you kinda just get why speedwagons get things movingIn post 58, nmego12345 wrote:
You just put everyone at L-2, If anyone tried to lynch anyone, then it's pretty easy for derphammering to occur.In post 30, ecane wrote:How come?
That's why I was suspicious of you, along with a guts feeling, why would you put everyone at L-2?
Though that doesn't make you mega scummy, It's a small Fos
you start to understand that you have to be creative (and sometimes vague) to catch a lurker's interestIn post 62, nmego12345 wrote:
Are you FoSing Aelin? Why didn't you vote him/her?In post 46, Flubbernugget wrote:
So I guess nobody is going to acknowledge this?In post 38, Aelin wrote:Heya guys. Not voting yet
same thing with the speedwagonIn post 63, nmego12345 wrote:Oh, so L-2 was for the sake of discussion. Acknowledged.
unFoS ecane
Creature explain your townreads on everyone
you can see what a PoE looks likeIn post 75, nmego12345 wrote:
What's that?In post 73, Creature wrote:malpascp
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You kinda just know directly pestering a lurker won't workIn post 149, nmego12345 wrote:I thought about voting one of the inactives to pressure them to talk but one of them is busy irl and Aelin is at L-2, I'm not planning on bringing somebody to L-1.
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So uhhh I was just supposed to magically know Aelin was going to replace out?In post 193, Thor665 wrote:
Ah this.In post 162, Thor665 wrote:Page - 7 Malp sure is taking a long time to read 6 pages... (<- the ellipses means I'm calling that scummy and sad)
Yeah, I stand by that.
Him not posting back makes it feel more like a lie - it's less the activity and more the lie of him not fulfilling what he claimed.
Also, if you want a specific difference, I would note my defense of Aelin's activity included the comment about her replacing out - pretty sure Malp hasn't, so - maybe that's the difference?
...duh?Thor665 wrote:
Also, going and looking, your attack wasn't about activity on Aelin - so it's not even like it's hypocritical of me to *have* attacked Mal over activity and still have issues with your attack.In post 46, Flubbernugget wrote:
So I guess nobody is going to acknowledge this?In post 38, Aelin wrote:Heya guys. Not voting yet
So, where's the fire here, jack?
You're saying this is an activity attack?
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I fail to see your presumption the same way.In post 197, Thor665 wrote:
You have successfully shown that evidence supports the idea he is probably a newbie.In post 195, Flubbernugget wrote:I could keep citing these growing pains but this is the basic idea throughout
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You're trying to argue the slot is scumIn post 200, Thor665 wrote:Since I'm not trying to argue that the slot is newb, it doesn't really matter.
You are trying to argue the slot is town - what part about asking questions about general gameplay speaks to alignment?
It does matter-
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This should be goodIn post 201, qubixes wrote:Did you find particular posts by nmego that gave you scum vibes?-
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Yep it was goodIn post 204, Thor665 wrote:
For Nmego it is pretty much a body of work opinion. As noted in my earlier discussion about him - I find his posting pretty empty.In post 201, qubixes wrote:@Thor:
Did you find particular posts by nmego that gave you scum vibes?
What do you think of my (short) analysis of nmego in 176? I'll add that there does seem to be a change in attitude after getting (kind of?) called out by ecane in 142. All in all, I'm not seeing the obv-town, but I'm not really leaning scum on him either.
I think you finding his sudden eagerness to leap onto the Creature wagon to not be a particularly brilliant example to hold up as townish. Even if I presume he's town, he looks just eager to make any wagon happen in that post. If I presume he's scum he's opportunistic, and playing a protective game on himself. Neither is a particularly good look, and the scum one at least presumes he cares, so feels more likely in a vacuum.
Half the game is at L2 and only one player looks like opportunistic scum for it?
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This is objectively wrongIn post 213, Thor665 wrote:the most focused attack he has is basically asking other people to attack someone for something he doesn't even find scummy but agrees with.
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I told you why I thought nmego was town. I then gave you examples. I brought you to water and you didn't drink. That's fine. Handwaving that by accusing me of dodging your question is dishonest and scummy.In post 219, Thor665 wrote:How does evidence (or lack thereof) of the slot being newb matter to me claiming the slot is town?
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I can't clip lines out of your wall anymore. Yay phone posts.
Ecane's 26 looked like pushing towards an easy accidental mislynch under the guise of getting reactions. This is especially so considering there was some decent anti town behavior that sat before 26 for comment-
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And this is because you're extremely predictable so I know you're going to look at 222 and think "well Flubber didn't cite it so he must be bullshitting"In post 15, Flubbernugget wrote:
The best way to hide as scum is to townhuntNot_Mafia wrote:What's wrong with what I'm doing?-
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I would expect the blithering to be more defensive instead of inquisitive.In post 228, qubixes wrote:
I think Thor is asking a very reasonable question. In 195 you talk about the "growing pains" of nmego being indicative of newb!town. Why would newb!scum not show these growing pains?In post 220, Flubbernugget wrote:
I told you why I thought nmego was town. I then gave you examples. I brought you to water and you didn't drink. That's fine. Handwaving that by accusing me of dodging your question is dishonest and scummy.In post 219, Thor665 wrote:How does evidence (or lack thereof) of the slot being newb matter to me claiming the slot is town?
I also note you dodged the question for a second time.-
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I'm not accusing you of being optimistic. I am saying it makes no sense to ignore this while portraying other events in the game as optimistic.In post 226, ecane wrote:
So I'm opportunistic because I didn't buy your Not_Mafia is scummy for townhunting stuff?In post 221, Flubbernugget wrote:I can't clip lines out of your wall anymore. Yay phone posts.
Ecane's 26 looked like pushing towards an easy accidental mislynch under the guise of getting reactions. This is especially so considering there was some decent anti town behavior that sat before 26 for comment
People have different ways of scum hunting, I think townhunting is completely valid, thinking that townhunting is scummy is also valid. However, assuming people will agree with what you think is scummy is bs.
Why haven't you metioned that before, and if that was the case why haven't you voted me?
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Again you are objectively wrong.In post 229, Thor665 wrote:I think the cheek kissing works better than attacking a slot by asking other people to attack something that you agree isn't a bad comment and isn't scum telling - yes.
Everyone knows backrubs don't work though - derp
Accusations bring forth more prominent emotional actions than questions. Trying to bring the perception of everyone's eyes on someone does the same.
If that slot was newbie scum not knowing how to vote, I can guarantee they would have looked at that post and freaked out. I remember doing that several timeswellafter being a newbie.
Like, I get that you take a very cold approach to mafia, but I don't get not being able to see that other people play differently.-
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Well there's less than half a page to catch up on so never mind.
Okay so in the exact post you're quoting I explained why I am more concerned with what Aelin's action would have been than with everyone else's.In post 252, Thor665 wrote:No, I'm not objectively wrong, especially as you shift the posts.
Your answer sounds fine - except you weren't doing the attack, you were trying to get other people to attack it *while claiming you were fine with the action* so if it was a scumhunting attempt, theoretically it was a scumhunting attempt on everyone else to see how they'd attack something you didn't think was bad.
Who's shifting posts now?
I find it very hard to believe that this is the only time you've ever seen a post like that. I'm also interested as to what you see as calling it out.In post 252, Thor665 wrote:I understand that other people play differently - it's why people often complain that I pepper players with constant questions about motivation.
I fail to see the motivation here - it's why I'm asking so many questions about it.
The answers aren't helping.
I get that you're a special and different snowflake.
But the "newb" acted fine to your comment.
Multiple experienced players called you out on it.
Hint: that makes it a questionable action.
There is literally no way you know how Aelin acted to the comment unless you are that account's alt, or you broke site rules by discussing this ongoing game with them.
My reads really haven't changed. I could see Thor as scum in a vacuum. His perspective on 46 is REALLY shady, as highlighted by 198, 218, 222, 224, 251, and part of this post. However, nm and lowell are still stronger scum reads. NM may not be very active as town, but he knows how to post at leastIn post 255, qubixes wrote: @flubber: Apart from defending yourself, what are your thoughts on the game? Do you think Thor's attack on you is scum or town motivated? Do you (strongly) scum read ecane?
VOTE: flubernuggetsomethingrelevant. Lowell's continuous question dodges from ecane and 230 are alsoreallybad.
Why do you think I am only defending myself when I talk to Thor?
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Had I agreed that nmego was being opportunistic, I would understand where you are coming from here.In post 274, qubixes wrote:If you don't have a scum read on ecane, you are just throwing shade around. So did you scum read ecane or not? Because your "show me where I said I scum read ecane" is suggesting you don't scum read her.-
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