Mini 1834: Biker Wars: Blood in the Streets Dead PT

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You were shit and an excellent vig shot. I absolutely approve of that vig shot 110%.

So Farside is obviously scum. Whose number 3?

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Oh lol tracker guilty

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Why did they ask for claims?

You always just lynch the tracker guilty.

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Assuming the vig shoots Parama I think this game is still easily in hand. 6:1 and the town has power left even if snake dies? Only person I see carrying this might be Kuribo.

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Why? It's a compliment to be killed night 1 as a VT

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So scum didn't catch the watcher claim?

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Feel like Farside did.

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Last scum is... Hmmm. Rolecop.

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Eh, you claimed watcher at end of day 1.

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Kuribo would have shot you after the hammer, I think. Too obvious. He wouldn't bother to confirm with rolecop.

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@Aristophanes: Then you're really not paying attention. She 180d a town read and instahammered him after a watcher claim? That's called claiming town watcher in any vocabulary I know of.

Actually probably should lynch Kuribo for questioning you after that.

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Also if any vig killed Kraska they should quit mafia on the spot.

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That includes Kuribo. You're anti town if you fucking shot Kraska you dumbass.

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Like post #680 the "epiphany" is a watcher claim. Like "oh fuck he claimed my role I thought he was town but now clearly not what do I do?"

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Also if Kuribo was the one targeting CKD he's definitely scum.

Your breadcrumb is a tad weak, you should work on that.

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I'm torn between Kuribo and Farside. Now that I'm dead Kuribo has completely reverted and his overreaction was scummy day 1. OTOH Farside is so bad.

Hmm.

Yeah, time to leave the tunnel. Your third is Kuribo

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Well you should include something about farside. Actually you should have honestly claimed day 2.

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Like after fracker result the odds are too high you might win the game there.

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Kuribo: win or lose, your personal shit and pleas towards me crossed a line. This is the last time I'll mention it. But you crossed it.

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Honestly town should have at least two more power roles, three if the vigilante was 1-shot.

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Like Kuribo is like "then town would be OP"?

Uh no. Roleblocker+Ninja vs. Tracker/Watcher/1-shot Vigilante (or hell full vigilante) would be a trash setup.

The list of people who can do setup analysis is ridiculously short, and it's sad the town can't see this for what it is.

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Gah is Kuribo voting Eager Snake? He'd have to be cheeky scum to be that stupid. I mean incredibly cheeky scum. Snake gets lynched on day 5 at the earliest, even if he is scum.

Maybe I have to take it back and just assume Farside or Gear or something.

Although why the town doesn't mass claim is beyond me. Snake's role has no purpose if he's telling the truth, and a mass claim would be incredibly beneficial right now.

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Also those posts were super fucking town. Eager is so fucking easy to read its hilarious. He's so bad with phrasing though. Here, lemme post his post:

"What I posted were things about Grey's posts that support why Gear might kill him. It might also support a scumread on Farside, but I feel like objectively scum-Gear still kills Grey even if Grey is tunneled on farside. Grey already showed an ability to leave his tunnel on Farside to lynch Cakez, so there's no guarantee that he'll stay locked on farside day 2. Regardless, the only three people that Grey had a scumread on and are still alive were Farside, Gear and Kuribo, so why the hell would scum shoot him night 1 if all three were town?"

Also two people who were scumreading Kuribo are now dead. This should be a sign.

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Eh, the scum gave the town a huge boost, fair that we return the favor.

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But seriously, two people who were scumreading Kuribo are dead and Kuribo is trying to call one a vig shot.

Can they just lynch his ass already?

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Eh not raging.

I think sadly they have to lynch Farside to get through this. I was wrong, and that's going to sink her.

I can't believe Kuribo is going to get away with pulling literally the exact same shit Cakez pulled day 1 with literally no one calling him on it. Yes, he's an asshole. Just fucking lynch him already.

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Hey, welcome!

I'm pretty sure that Kuribo is scum based on shooting Kraska, if we established the scum didn't notice the watcher thing (like...). Plus the way he hard came out and said it was Kraska? And his vote today? He's desperately looking for mislynches. Assuming the vig is an odd-night vig (only makes sense, as a 1-shot vig is useless here) then the town has 3 mislynches+misvig to scum victory, and he's got to be counting that 4. And realizing one of those 4 might be the vig and/or another power role, so he really needs 5. That's just fucking ugly.

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What man, Tracker+Watcher+ON Vig vs. Ninja+Roleblocker+Goon isn't even close to balanced. Don't tell me you'd approve that -_-

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Like... until the Ninja is lynched the tracker and the watcher aren't even named townies. They're named townies who might cause mislynches and/or clear scum. Assuming the balanced lynch pattern is T/S/T/S for the first 4 days (unlikely without power roles) the tracker and watcher aren't even going to be on before day 3-4 on average (depending on vig performance) - at which point one is going to be dead. No way you can count on them to do shit in this setup.

ONV is about the same as 2-shot vig, which is a mild town power role. And vulnerable to blocking once claimed.

Yeah... town needs another solid power role to go with that set.

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That would do. I have no idea, I'm totally unspoilered.

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Wait they both claimed a protective role?

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K:"It's L-1"
K+3:"NEVER PAY ATTENTION HAMMER FOR GLORY"

If he's not scum I'll upload a video of me eating a shoe or something

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Farside is just so damn irritating. I thought Cakez was distracting for her a bit, but the fact is he's too good of a power role to send in on the "please jump on a grenade for me" mission. That was just all his native charm (love ya dude, but you're terrible at scum no lies). I think she's honestly town, why just annoy me and Parama like that for no reason?

Big P is obvious town. CKD so obvious town he's getting shot tonight unless ES is (obvtown there). Rach is town sadly. Gear is town, super sadly.

Hmmm.

Am I just tunneling Kuribo now and it's UT all along?

I feel like that's third guessing myself, because hot damn is that first post from Kuribo just "I know Cakez is scum"

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Lessee: Eager and CKD have to be shot. With 1 more vig shot that brings us down to LyLo. We lynch Gear, Rach vigged because lawlz, we lynch Farside? That's the plan I assume. Parama/UT/Kuribo 3 way lylo?

Huh. Yeah I could see this.

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That lylo is scary.

Kuribo coming out busing a strong pr? That's hard to stomach

Coming out? Come on. He did nothing. Did you see post #339? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8368476

That's some fucking scum ass reads list right there. #346 rescues it... not at all. Faking passion is my gig, Kuribo can do it too.

SirCakez- Calling Eager scum for meta reasons, ew, but voting CKD, almost feels like he wants to push the Eager wagon without REAAALLLY pushing it. I don't know. There are hits and pieces of decent townplay here but something is rubbing me the wrong way.

Although calling UT's day 1 garbage would be an insult to perfectly nice garbage. I'll be fucking sad if Parama is mislynched, but UT lynch would be like... yeah okay.

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Also remember someone is still the vig and it's not eager. The LyLo could easily turn out to be "shit I have to shoot UT because he's a vig" or something like that and then we get a much better LyLo scenario.

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I didn't love your day 1. I think you keep a lot of things reserved which makes it incredibly hard to read you, and you don't respond to inquiries until you're deep in pressure. Things like #887 are just bad: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8392733

Rather than trying to work with him or determine his alignment or anything, it just comes off as if you're deflecting pressure. Which, to be fair... you're just deflecting. It doesn't matter that you don't think its justified, that was a bad deflection and came off as very scummy. You're going to need to not do things like that if you don't want to get lynched. Mafia is a social game, you can't play it in an extremely anti-social manner.

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Meh, I'd probably have kept pushing you. I'm always fine with dying as VT. How is Eager still alive?

I'm going to guess from the mod slip that our vig is no auctioning and that we're going to be immensely angry in the post game.

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So if Farside isn't scum I really have to wonder why I was shot at all.

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I swear I wrote this post but tigers ate it.

Kuribo, I like pushing strong players who feel flaky to me because I know I'm slated for death pretty early on. I admit I totally misinterpreted your feelings about this game, and I backed off after your post. Would I probably have kept pushing you? Yeah. Then again, so much of my play is based on interaction it's always hard for me to know what would happen if I'm alive to interact.

The previous game I called you scum I was scum-calling your slot ages before you replaced in. Since I was scum under huge amounts of pressure (Muffin had a pallet of bricks he was lowering onto me) I didn't have the luxury of going "oops, looks like I was totes wrong as fuck, this Kuribo guy sure is town!" without another round of questions that were going to be ugly. I was mulling over pushing you, but decided I'd probably "change my read" the next day based on your play and conclude the original owner of the slot was a "terrible lurkaderp who just played like scum". Me and Lexi were both super salty you didn't get the open scum slot when you replaced in.

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Stupid Killer Townie. Duh.

Also Kuribo, yeah. What you said hurt, but hey, I'm a big boy, I'm over it. But seriously, if you're that close to snapping and killing people because you got doctor and there was a stupid flash wagon on you maybe take a step back

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Also fuck it, doubling down, death to the Farside

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Trust me, I understand, I have anger management issues myself, and not in the haha murdercock way (I'd say I'm genuinely angry maybe 10% of the time I snap at people on MS, but it's genuine anger).

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Being fucking town?

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too bad you were roll blocked on gear that could have saved us a mislynch no way would I have pushed a lynch on him if you had said he went nowhere

I'd lynch Rach for this on general principle.

You'd have chosen not to lynch a player in the scenario where two mafia are dead, one flipped ninja, and the player was tracked going nowhere.

YOU DON'T SAY
REALLY
YOU DON'T SAY

Would you also fail to lynch a player if they claimed mason with a flipped mason and there was no counterclaim?

She has to be town, scum can't make statements that lacking in intelligent thought.

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You got hit by the quote bug.

Anyway, no. There's different calibers of stupid. Like scum say dumbassery all the fucking time, its true. But the come to a complete halt, turn, and go "did you just say the most incredibly fucking stupid thing that anyone in the entire universe has ever said?" Town. Like 99.5% of the time. You can fucking bank on it. I'd honestly be completely shocked if Rach is scum after typing that.

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BTW didn't matter if they had a role blocker, could have shot snake anyway.

I want to lynch Rach on general principle.

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Y'know it's going to turn out he's scum and we'll be sitting here in the dead thread eating crow.

My head says its Farside.
My heart says its Farside
My paranoia says its UT

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There isn't an SK.

Good god.

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Like town: "I don't want to shoot the wrong person so I won't shoot anyone!"
SK: "I want everyone who isn't me to die. SHOOTING GALLARY!"

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Like, there's no way this game works without a town vig. Watcher/tracker/doctor versus scum RB+Ninja and SK? Nah. Fucking nah. fucking bullshit. Vig is just being a fucking moron.

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But what about that extra kill tho
Why no claim?

Why claim? I don't like the no shots, but if I'm a vig here I don't claim SHIT today. I shoot who I want tonight, and if we go into 3 person LyLo and I'm alive then I'm claim vig. If they think I'm an SK then I point out the only way for the town to win in a Scum/SK/Town LyLo is to no lynch, so I ask them a few questions then we go to NL and I shoot the fuck out of whoever I want. If they believe me, confirmed town in LyLo.

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2-shot makes some level of sense. Notably a 2-shot vig is probably more powerful than an unlimited vig (since you can't misplay it). 1-shot vig is totally useless, except for that time I shot a 1-shot bulletproof claim with it, that was hilarious.

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So would that make UT the vig?

Huh, would make sense.

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I mean it's not Parama or Farside would be dead. He might let her slide n1 to remove Snarky, but he'd shoot the shit out of her. He'd claim and use it as ammo to push his case if he was 1-shot.

Farside vig shoots Parama, same reason. Hell, Farside SK shoots Parama.

Eager is tracker
Rach is Rach
CKD could be it, but I feel like he'd have shot N2 if he had any shots left. I just don't see him leaving us in evens.

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This is more fun.

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Farside calling people out on awful play O_O

Glass houses

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Farside calling people out on awful play O_O

Glass houses

I'm sorry your screaming tunneling shitty attitude has any space to talk.

I think not.

Yeah, you were a dumpster fire and it was pro-town to lynch you.

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Oh dear, I got shot by the scum for being a threat. You got lynched by the town for being a deep.

Do me a favor and don't join games with me in them. You're arrogant shit.

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Pfft no problem miss delusional

Thank you very much, mister shithead.

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Wow, actual SK.

Correct play is to claim VT and self vote.

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But no one is going to get that I think.

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That's why you claim VT and self-vote.

Crosskill odds go up dramatically if there's only one town alive.

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Like it's 1/9 with 4 players alive
with 3? 1/4

That's the best we get apparently.

Fucking SKs

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So hmmm
Parama SK UT scum?

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Nah CKD town.

This reminds me how much I hate SKs. And town power was jank.