Micro 642: Auction Mafia TOWN WINS!

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VOTE: davsto

Lynch that sucker! L-2

I know I had a good plan that didn't get followed last time. Something like bet 49 on everything. Scum have to bet 50 of they want it.

Either we get it (good) and have 51 left
Or we don't (bad) but scum bet 50 and only have....

No we bet 50

Either
we get it (good) and we have 50 left
Scum bet 51 and get it (bad) but only have 49 left and we only have to bet 50 for the rest cause they only have 49. That means we each should get 2 powers the rest of the time.

I'm pretty sure that's what I had but I'll have to check. Or maybe I won't cause I'm pretty sure that's the summary

[lane0168]

Lucky have I ever told you how much I love this setup? Cause I do. If there's only been 3, I'm like an auction mafia legend lol

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VOTE: davsto

Lynch that sucker! L-2

I know I had a good plan that didn't get followed last time. Something like bet 49 on everything. Scum have to bet 50 of they want it.

Either we get it (good) and have 51 left
Or we don't (bad) but scum bet 50 and only have....

No we bet 50

Either
we get it (good) and we have 50 left
Scum bet 51 and get it (bad) but only have 49 left and we only have to bet 50 for the rest cause they only have 49. That means we each should get 2 powers the rest of the time.

I'm pretty sure that's what I had but I'll have to check. Or maybe I won't cause I'm pretty sure that's the summary

I know I had a good plan that didn't get followed last time. Something like bet 49 on everything. Scum have to bet 50 of they want it.

Either we get it (good) and have 51 left
Or we don't (bad) but scum bet 50 and only have....

No we bet 50

I am perfectly fine with this, though I would like to ensure town gets the JOAT over any item.
So I wouldn't mind betting higher on that item than scum to ensure they don't get it.

~Fire

This^

Woah... I didn't even see that, I scrolled down to see the posts and just noticed the bottom 3 cause that's all we had was 3 before I believe. Yeah that's way stronger than before. Fuckin sweet

[lane0168]

I forget, or maybe never knew, does roleblocker block strongman? And if we got joat and vig, is it theoretically possible to use vig and the strongman? Or will that be strictly for scum?

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^

@lucky

[lane0168]

Lucky have I ever told you how much I love this setup? Cause I do. If there's only been 3, I'm like an auction mafia legend lol

I am the true auction mafia legend.
2/2 for 2.

TOP THAT LANE!

~Fire

I just looked at the last ones. Got seriously INSTANTLY pissed when I remembered Salamence getting away with that shit. OMG so BAD! lol.

Also got giddy all posters are veterans. Hoping we can eventually townblock up and dominate these newbs haha

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*auction mafia veterans

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Ok. Yeah that explains it. If you save it though can you use it the next time? 1 time?

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The next night I should say?

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Let me just read the rules here lol

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I forget, and I don't want to ask all the questions at already asked the first 2 games

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Fuck that

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But you didn't evaluate the value for mafia and town. Only for mafia, you didn't even mention the tracker or Watcher. Only the strongman. Why?

[lane0168]

VOTE: My Other Head Is Scum

This is where my gut is right now.

Is this like an "ooh these posts don't sit well in my stomach. I think I have to poop" sort of gut feeling.

Or a "honestly fuck this hydra" type of gut feeling haha.

VOTE: map wolf

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With all due respect to the hydra, of course, two players I absolutely hate to love playing with

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There was a lot to comment on by that point. RVS was not necessary or helpful.

What are you implying with this? Do you think he is scum for that?

Filler question alert! BEEOOOBEEOOOBEEOOO! Quite obvious what he is implying

[lane0168]

VOTE: Map Wolf
I don't like the late RVS

Charloux, what do you think he meant by this vote, followed by the reasoning for the vote. What is confusing about it?

[lane0168]

I don't see scum!BNL pointing out these stuff. It can only hurt mafia

Which parts hurt scum? Which stuff are you talking about?

[lane0168]

I don't see scum!BNL pointing out these stuff. It can only hurt mafia

Which parts hurt scum? Which stuff are you talking about?

I think scum would pass on telling those kinds of things, because they can use them in the future for easier mislynches. Why do you think it's NAI?

What kinds of things? The stuff about wolf map? Or the reasons he doesn't think those 3 useless posts are from scum? You don't think scum can pick something and call it null?

In particular, he says you tend to be lynch bait, why would that come from town? And do you agree with that?

@bnl, you said Charloux tends to be lynchbait, and linked one game. "tends" makes me think it's more than once, and almost to be expected. But you only linked one game. Do you have more?

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@charloux, you have examples of being Lynchbait?

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Well I can see it. It seems you get lynched as scum. So how do we tell the difference between town claiming Lynchbait? Or scum claiming Lynchbait?

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So, if we lynch you today, you'll be scum? Lol

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Something else I noted that is bugging me. I noted lane following my vote from Dav to voting map.
Currently have 3 town reads.

So of note, is mohis not saying anything about map wolf? And also of note is me, following your vote to map wolf?

You can take that second note off, I was following Bnl's lead, not your naked vote.

[lane0168]

I am going to keep it low key today, because I am planning on not getting NK tonight.

Tell me why this is a plan for you?

Can we get this answered?

[lane0168]

Ok... So this is underwhelming. What a great weekend. Apparently everyone else had the same weekend.

DarkLightA has easily the best post on the game. I'm not sure why Farside is asking if he's just trying to look busy when to me, even if that were true, he's kick starting the game. I'm a fan.

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Map Wolf hasn't done anything to make me want to move my vote. Maybe someone else has.

[lane0168]

Heeey fire, how many games are you playing currently?

This game sure slowed down. If nothing changes my lynchpool for today will be just Map and Dark.

This game sure slowed down. If nothing changes my lynchpool for today will be just Map and Dark.

McMeno?

-Vedith

I...kinda forgot he was also playing...

What was the point of the first question?

The game won't change without contribution. Why is this your idea of contribution?

Third quote, and? You kinda trailed off there. I don't know if I missed the part about you commenting on mcmenno or if that was it.

How do you expect the game to progress? Someone asks you about mcmenno, and you leave...

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Ok... So this is underwhelming. What a great weekend. Apparently everyone else had the same weekend.

DarkLightA has easily the best post on the game. I'm not sure why Farside is asking if he's just trying to look busy when to me, even if that were true, he's kick starting the game. I'm a fan.

Kick starting something by asking the same question that how been awnser already??
You can't be serious

He was obviously trying to bait you. Trying to see if you agreed with both davstos points in that post, cause you said you agreed with his points. But only the one point was about him.

Its clear he was trying to see if you knew what you were talking about or bull shitting your way through. You obviously weren't bs

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And the kick starting was more directed to his reasoned read list. Which I thought was legit

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I am going to keep it low key today, because I am planning on not getting NK tonight.

Tell me why this is a plan for you?

Never got answered.

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Bnl seems bona-fide scum

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Town. Bona-fide town

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Pretty null on davsto. More good points than not

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Nothing sways me one way or the other on Farside.

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Mcmenno, very small string of mostly pointless posts. And by mostly I mean extremely close to completely. There's not really anything I can ask him about that would go anywhere to further my read I don't think? Why townread Charloux? Reads? Why so snarky and standoffish? Still think map Wolf posts are terrible? On a scale of mcmenno-10, how good are map wolf's posts?

Answer the last one.

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Vedith, why is Farside town?
Fire, why is Farside scum?
Vedith, why is Dav scum?
Fire, why is Dav town?
Vedith, why is bnl scum?
Fire, why is bnl town?

What is with the giant disconnect? You guys using your pt? What does your other partner think?

The only thing I saw I didn't like was fire being defensive to bnl. I probably wouldn't even respond. But having said that, I didn't think fire was being especially irrelevant at that point, to refute Bnl's point, who clarified it as being more scum.

The other thing would be the disconnect going on, but that mostly just bugs me. The only reason it would be scummy, would be to be able to vote pretty much anyone they want without getting shit. Sow confusion maybe? Idk.

[lane0168]

No, you didn't explain it, why would I ask if you had?

You can now though [/vote]

Why is bnl town? Because he had a crap meta read? Something that scum can't do...? Don't you think scum are more likely to try to push crap meta reads?

[lane0168]

VOTE: mohis

Sorry got excited lol.

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@Dark:

So, if we lynch you today, you'll be scum? Lol

Just play normally, and if i am scummier than the rest today or tomorrow; Then i am most likely scum. If i survive for a couple of days, then i am most likely lynchbait.

You forgot this when you were analyzing me. Or did you skip it on purpose?

Why do you think he forgot it? Did he link or talk about every one of your posts? Was he supposed to? What do you mean he forgot it?

BTW I still hate that post. Just setting up to use it in late game of they're still alive. See? I'm Lynchbait. Why else would I be alive? If I was scum id be dead by now

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When he said

-Farside is scum here, and
-more votes on Farside.

You gotta give him credit, I didn't pick up on that, but he makes good points. Will reread farside

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No, your other head is scummy. I'm not moving my vote.

He kept saying far is scum.
Then wanted more votes on far.
Then said he already explained the read.
His townread on bnl was for bnl having a bad meta read? Scum... Have bad meta reads. Read doesn't compute.
Then he said he was never sure of Farside. Just wanted pressure on her. And yet, he only wanted other people to do the pressuring for him. He never made a single attempt to pressure her, ask her questions, general pressure producing content was non existent.

I'm not moving my vote.

[lane0168]

Mcmenno: blowing peoples minds with brilliant posts since 2017... Hopefully

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@davsto, I think they were pretty biased. I actually liked his reads with reasons. There were parts I agreed with, and parts that I didn't really care about, but nothing that looked scummy to me. I'll tell you what I think about your reads. I'm never on computer but I'll try my best to make it coherent

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Okay so I had a bunch of quotes before this but I tend to copy/paste for large quote walls and guess who decided to copy/paste song lyrics into sitechat and as a result lost all their stuff yeah good fucking job me general gist is that 139/141 are more bad posts from mapwolf and mohis' townread on them is weaksauce (seriously the good old "how is this not x?" rhetorical question which does a wonderful job of telling no-one fucking anything useful)

So yeah this game has stalled too much. This game really needs more activity. If anyone has got questions i will be willing to answer them.

What's your read on Mohis?

Townlean due to them participating in the discussion that there is.

Because scum find it impossible to participate in discussion..?

I've just not been able to get into the game yet—I'll get better as it progresses, I promise.

That's my favourite excuse as scum too

Davsto: I don't like how he's decided that I'm scum based on one post of mine and is basing his other posts on it: "even with my logic that DarkLight is scum" (82). There's both elements that I like and don't like in the posts. A coin could do as good a job as myself. Null.

Woo, lacklustre reads time. The first two are okay I guess, but this is nasty. Feels like not wanting to commit to scumread, by giving reasons that I'm scum but following with a very vague "elements I like too" which tells me a wonderful nothing

@farside when you say the "Dav points about dark" do you mean the post with the two points about me that he posted along with his vote? or is it just in general?

Useless questions which provide no further depth than looking involved, lovely

Lane: Starts off suggesting a strategy he made in an earlier game, and drops it just as quickly. Apparently ninja'd me with my comments about Charloux. He's a weak townlean.

woahwoah, not seeing the townlean in this. First is an objective statement with no implied reading. Second is saying that he made points which would be pathetically easy to make regardless of alignment. I fail to see the townlean bit coming in.

(ftr, feel free to respond to any of this to explain, darklight, I'm not just attacking, I'm just not great at asking questions, if I've misinterpreted something or you just missed details out in your post, feel free to point it out)

Lucky: Contentless posts and seems happy to get away with it. Weak scumlean.

wow reads about the mod how original

farside22: Lots of content, but I'm having a hard time picking out too much information. Regardless, weak town.

Doing this one out of order because I saw him disagree with mohis' read on farside and realised I didn't remember DL's read on farside being town and this is why, because literally the entire description hints at scumlean and then he goes "SURPRISE WEAK TOWN GOTCHA"

Map Wolf: Contrary to what it seems everyone thinks, I'm not putting too much in the RVS vote.

Ahh, so you're not doing that... but you're still pushing MapWolf as strong scum with the only further reasoning being that (admittedly naff) post about inactivity (where he still put more effort into continuing activity with that post than you did with your initial "sorry for inactivity post")? That seems really bizarre, to say you're not staking it all on that and yet, with the game having progressed considerably, still keeping the vote almost entirely on that.

farside can go gut town

Yeah... might as well do a short readlist...
Farside: I think it's town mentality to ask if you don't understand someone's posts (+)
The short debate with Fire seems like TvT to me(+) ; Townlean

Lane: Likes to suck up to the mod (NAI)
43(+) ; Being a jerk to me (+)(Have to check on his scum games, but he was playing like this in his town game with me)
His 195 explaines how i feel about MOHIS, but i don't scumread then for the discord. ; Townlean

McMenno: I seriously forgot he was in this game. Lack of useful posts (-), has me as a townlean but doesn't like my posts(like wtf does that even mean)(-) ; Scumlean

Davsto: I liked his reasoning in 67(+) ; Null

MapWolf: 141 self explained (-) ; Lack of posts (-) ; Scumlean

BNL: Don't care what everybody else thinks but 39 is a good post (+) ; Him pushing mohis (+) ; Townlean

MOHIS: It's useless to try and read fire who is in multiple games. If it's worth anything my gut says he is town.

DarkLight:48(mini-), he didn't seem to interested in the game at that time.
169 Best post so far (++), but, sadly, his /solved comment is wrong. Townlean

No fuck don't make bad and scummy posts I like my scumreads where they are don't go confusing me and making me consider changing them when I love burying myself in reads from the start

I just had an idea on bids actually.
I think we should have the most townread person snatch the first item for $50
The numbers post flip will tell us alot I think.

~Fire

I'd rather not, already made a bet on that myself and I don't really want moneys to go to waste

there was at least one scum game he could have pointed to as lynchbait but didn't.

This is a really silly point. I mean, when someone (regardless of alignment) is pointing out that they tend to act scummy as town, why

would

they provide a scum game? It'd be entirely irrelevant to the point that they were trying to make. Sure, if they were making the point that they were

only

scummy as town, then it'd be relevant, but that's totally not what they were trying to get across. Basically, more issues with DarkLight.

First wrote, like the point.

Second quote, the game is slow, seems like many people aren't getting full on in to it, he just expressed it. Your response shows bias

Third quote, lackluster may be right, but at the time its more than many had done.

Forth quote, as explained, there was a point to his questioning

Fifth, true first part. Second part you call it pathetically easy, and yet you didn't do it, you even said his questions were useless cause you didn't apparently catch on to what he was trying to do.

Sixth, meaningless

Seventh, bias, how does that mean towards calling her scum by saying hes having trouble getting information out of it? That's just a fact. Ask fire.

Eighth, he's scum reading and voting your scum read, but your issue is him saying its not all about the rvs? Clearly there's more scum to map than the rvs. Considering you think map is scum correct?

Anyways, you asked. I don't know why dark is scum. I'm getting the opposite.

You who else im opposite of? Mohis and map, who town read each other? I'm taking your word for it as I cant remember, since mohis has opposing reads in themselves

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I also agreed with darks point about Charloux's Lynchbait stuff. Charl gets voted as scum, lynched as scum. And then basically says, if we don't lynch, then Lynchbait. Or if they aren't killed, Lynchbait. I don't like that defense at all

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Unvote because I don't like being on a wagon with all the scummy players. Have to rethink.

Uh... what? "All the scummy players"?

The wagon currently consists of me, McMenno, farside.

In your last readslist you actually had me as "null" (although I'd be lying if I said that I didn't get the air that you've started scumreading me since).

McMenno, you also had as null, and your only comment towards him since that is an (admittedly negative-sounding) question.

Farside you had as weak town.

So you're saying you're reconsidering a wagon on someone you have considered from pretty much the start of the game to be scum, because the rest of the wagon is a player you have recently decided is scum, a player you have as null, and a player you have as town are all voting on it?

Not to mention that the other two wagons that are options this late (that is to say actually have players on them) are mohis and mcmenno, which (a) you have stated a weak townlean and nullread on respectively, and (b) have Map Wolf and Charloux on them respectively, both players you have shown much more obvious signs of scumreading than I.

Basically, what I'm saying with, this sentence makes

no sense

, unless by "all the scummy players" you mean "one player I scumread quite a bit as of recently, but neither of the two players I have strongly scumread the longest".

See, now this point I agree with

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Davsto, you asked if anyone else thought your reads were bs. I answered because I thought they were, and now you're going to call me out for buddying? Cause I answered a question you asked? That's bull shit too.

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Oh, well in that case. Nvmd.

But you're still biased.

[lane0168]

claim doc -> joat -> roleblocker -> rolecop please

Claiming only tells scum who has no coins left.
Only claim with information.

-Vedith

@mcmenno, why did you think that was a good idea?

@mohis, why would scum think it's a good idea to call for a claim first post? (straight forward question)

[lane0168]

claim doc -> joat -> roleblocker -> rolecop please

Claiming only tells scum who has no coins left.
Only claim with information.

-Vedith

@mcmenno, why did you think that was a good idea?

@mohis, why would scum think it's a good idea to call for a claim first post? (straight forward question)

McMenno....?

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You just messed up m8. We have a cop tonight and if Dark flips scum you will be the obvious connection to him!

I think it's more likely Charloux is scum. Didn't waste any time going straight for dark. Seems like a plan to setup an easy lynch. I don't think dark kills davsto knowing he'll get all the shade.

I'm not doing this Lynchbait crap

VOTE: charloux

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Or, that's exactly what scum wanted me to think... The its so obvious it can't be right, but it really is right, scenario. Shit.

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Nobody asks the first question that came to my mind...

Farside, why no bid for cop?

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Farside also hopping on the easy lynch.

[lane0168]

@mod: Can the JK block the owner of the role

and

the person who receives the information, or just the owner?

It would stop the power being used. If the JK blocked the receiver, they still receive it I assume. If they block the person doing the ability, no one gets the result.
How the fuck did you think that JK only stops cop and not night kills? Why are you still voting Farside, considering your reason for doing so was for choosing Jailer...

But anyway - Those Farside votes are fucking awful.


I didn't like Lane's little flop around either, that's not like him normally.

-Vedith

What flop around?

[lane0168]

Huh? His thought process seems clear to me. Dumb, but clear.

Pedit, you don't like that im considering that scumdark actually did kill Dav? Cause then people will say "scum dark wouldn't do that, too obvious"

[lane0168]

I

decided

you were probably scum

-Vedith

I see! So you didn't come to the conclusion that i am scum, but rather decided that i will play the role as scum.
Yup, you and Dark are scum all right!

Holy reaching batman!!

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Dav was killed either by dark, or someone trying to throw shade on dark. Charloux fits the latter to a T

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I'm not even sure that's what mohis was saying...

[lane0168]

No, i would've killed you 100%

Why?

[lane0168]

Huh? His thought process seems clear to me. Dumb, but clear.

Pedit, you don't like that im considering that scumdark actually did kill Dav? Cause then people will say "scum dark wouldn't do that, too obvious"

Don't get me wrong... I think the exact same thing. But you pointing it out is what make me ponder.
But I agree that Charizard probably wanted to work on that straight away.

VOTE: Charizard

-Vedith

Oh stop, don't act like you don't know I spit my thoughts as they come into my head

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And I'm sure you would have, but your partner explained why that would be a bad idea, explained why Dav is the lynch, and got you all excited to lynch dark. That's what I think happened here.

Like irl? That makes me frown. I mean I know some people probably don't like me for good reason, but I don't remember ever offending you. And I'm sorry if I did

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Wifom night kills means nothing to me.

What?

[lane0168]

Fire has way too many games for you to be using 1 example of each as proof.

Its scummy if you believe the davsto kill was a setup to get dark lynched

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Wifom night kills means nothing to me.

What?

You think charlo is going off NK and using it. I've seen town and scum think about who was killed all the time. Hell I've had scum use it against me. I have also used NK to find scum.
In the end it's wifom. Sometimes the kill means something and sometimes it doesn't.
I player thinking it means something is NAI.

Respectfully disagree, to me its obvious Dav was killed to setup a dark lynch, or dark killed Dav. I believe the former. And I believe Charloux fits the bill of scum jumping on a set up lynch

[lane0168]

dav was killed because he was obvtown

How do you know?

[lane0168]

because I killed him duh

I think I believe this

[lane0168]

Just a puzzling ? That's not like me

[lane0168]

I don't get why everyone is seeing Charloux as scummy this game....
even my other head.

I really don't see him as scummy.
He just seems self defeating and I kinda get why.

Who's everyone?

[lane0168]

I explained why I think so. You don't understand it or don't agree with it? Do I need to explain it again?

[lane0168]

Do you think that because the situation is similar (to idk what), DarkLight is likely scum? If you do, it's game relevant.

No, i don't. I never mentioned dark for this. I was reffering my and lane's positions in this.

What do you think of lanes reaction to your comment.
I didn't see him even acknowledge it.

What do you think it says about Charloux alignment?

[lane0168]

Huh? His thought process seems clear to me. Dumb, but clear.

Pedit, you don't like that im considering that scumdark actually did kill Dav? Cause then people will say "scum dark wouldn't do that, too obvious"

Don't get me wrong... I think the exact same thing. But you pointing it out is what make me ponder.
But I agree that Charizard probably wanted to work on that straight away.

VOTE: Charizard

-Vedith

I bet even my breathing is scummy to you

@Lane: I REALLY don't like you. I won't go against win-con but i want to kill you at least once.

This game, yeah.
I actually had you as town end of day 1. Your entrance today made me think scum.

Who the fuck wouldn't like Lane? Probably scum...

-Vedith

I don't get why everyone is seeing Charloux as scummy this game....
even my other head.

I really don't see him as scummy.
He just seems self defeating and I kinda get why.

Really, your other head doesn't see why Charloux is scummy? I'm not sure why this didn't register with me before... But wtf? Where'd you get your other head not thinking Charloux was scummy from?

[lane0168]

Really, your other head doesn't see why Charloux is scummy? I'm not sure why this didn't register with me before... But wtf? Where'd you get your other head not thinking Charloux was scummy from?

No offense to my hydra partner.
But those reasons are stupid.

~Fire

That's not the point, why did you say your partner doesn't think Charloux is scummy? When its clear he does, and that's where your vote is/was?

[lane0168]

Ummm why does it matter?
And I don't believe I said my partner didn't think Charloux was scummy.

I fucked up. You didn't. Thought at first you meant "even my other head" as in he doesn't get the scum read.

[lane0168]

Charloux, still scumreading Chara?

Need a bit more time since i had Dark as scum... I'm getting town-vibes from Chara so far. The thing that's conflicting me the most is that i don't really think scum would pretend to have a scumread on the only person who is townreading them(Lane).

why are you getting townvibes? is it only because i'm scumreading lane, or is it something else?

on lane:

appears

to be on my slot's side. but still making sure to underline that the kill could have been done only by our slot or to incriminate us. his posts seem designed to make him be seen as the one who was townreading us. why couldn't Davsto have been killed just for being obvious town? only darklight was scumreading him, true, but that doesn't mean the kill could only have been made entirely with darklight in mind. (or by darklight)

to expand: i

do

believe it's likely that Davsto was killed exactly for that reason. but would someone who doesn't know darklight's alignment not consider the third option too? that Davsto was killed for being highly townread.
lane: if you did think about that option and i missed it. feel free to speak up.

Of course I thought about it. But I find it hard to believe conversation went like this

Scum 1: we should kill davsto cause he's Towniest
Scum 2: good idea,

kill davsto

There was more than that. Scum discuss who is best kill and why. It's not as simple as that. At least that's what I imagine. I've never been team scum that participated in a night kill I don't think.

Why aren't you questioning everyone that doesn't consider davsto was killed for more than being just scum? I wasnt convinced. Not with the way he thought Darklight was scum. I even rolecopped him

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Farside, I'm probably not going to do this with you again. Davsto made a bunch of crap arguments, and I refuted them because davsto asked. And I didn't agree with them.

I'm not going down this road again. Not with you

[lane0168]

Yes davsto asked if anyone thought he was off. I thought so, so I answered. Wouldn't have bothered otherwise.

Can you quote 5 posts where I defend dark? Aside from the ones answering davsto.

If all ive done is defend Darklight, it won't be hard. I thought davsto had crap reads. I told him about it cause he asked.

I've already said. I thought his first big post was good, agreed with points. And points on Charloux.

All I've done is defend dark is total bs. I'm just the only one that has. But to say that's all I've done is bad. When I've done more calling people's scum read bad than call him town.

What do you mean that's out of order?

Pedit, because I don't think your third option is an option. I think he was killed for a reason other than just being town. The two options I presented are the only options I believe possible

[lane0168]

Pedit, because I don't think your third option is an option.

I think he was killed for a reason other than just being town.

The two options I presented are the only options I believe possible

why? that's a very simplistic view. surely it could have also been a combination? you're the one who told me there was an entire conversation about it.

I just said it wasn't just being town. Someone being town is nearly always part of the reason someone gets nk'd. But I don't think it's the only reason

[lane0168]

Lane: I quoted and linked were you defended dark.
I'm asking why you think they are town. I noted you've thought this since day 1.

Answered. And I asked quote 5 posts in defending dark, aside from answering Davsto. You've done 0. It won't be hard since that's all I do? You're gonna wanna read over when I agreed about a scum point on dark. It won't fit with your picture of all I'm doing is defend dark

[lane0168]

And by "read over" I mean skip. Of course I didn't have to tell you that either. You've already done that

[lane0168]

I don't remember coming to that conclusion? Can you quote where I do that?

In fact. Can you show my defense of dark aside from answering peoples questions? Help Farside out.

I'll respond to 181 by asking you to show me a better post than darks post im mentioning.

Do you think I concluded dark was town before or after I considered be killed davsto? Do you think I concluded dark was town before or after I agreed with a couple scum points about dark?

[lane0168]

If dark was so scummy, why isn't there more pressure on you? If he wasn't, why am I scummy because I think with the majority, but am the only person to say something?

I'm with the majority, and yet I am scummy for speaking my mind? Ok

[lane0168]

your assurance that you 'agreed with some scumpoints on dark' only serves to convince me. you're very aware of how you're being viewed.
i'm not going to quote your defense of dark because it's been quoted enough.
tell me in plain words. were you defending him? townreading him? what's your read on me at this moment?

Yes. Yes. Town? Pretty fucky, but town I think. I'm second least likely to vote your slot in this post. You're moving down though. Your case is crap, you say you'll elaborate if asked, but you won't elaborate when asked. You won't provide evidence when asked. I'm not getting the whole you agree with most the shit I say, but I'm scummy for saying it.

Now you answer my questions. You can't quote all the defense because I've responded to the 2.

Show me a better post than his first big post.

Show me another defense not responding to davsto's questions.

Show me where I concluded darklight was town.

I'm aware of how I'm being viewed? Before I ever was viewed in the way I'm being viewed? How does that work? That was all before you showed up guy. Im aware dark isn't confirmed town, but the cases on him sucked

[lane0168]

vote: lane

You got reasons? Or just sheeping

[lane0168]

Yeah you from the beginning

[lane0168]

I see you also like to live dangerously. Getting a more solid town read from someone who says they'll elaborate, then refuses to elaborate, and scum reads a person they agree with on crucial points

[lane0168]

There's a difference between townread and coming to a conclusion someone is town. If I came up a conclusion I wouldn't bother with a possibility of dark scum.

[lane0168]

I see you also like to live dangerously. Getting a more solid town read from someone who says they'll elaborate, then refuses to elaborate, and scum reads a person they agree with on crucial points

what crucial points did i agree with you on?

besides

my alignment.
also why are you weirdly throwing shade on someone you're supposedly townreading?

Throwing shade? I'm questioning bnl's townread on you solidifying? Wtf? Why is it weird and you don't understand all of a sudden? When I did the same to dark?

Crucial points, Davsto was killed for a reason. Something else you said you agreed with but questioned me. Can't remember what it was

[lane0168]

That's not throwing shade. That's what you're doing

[lane0168]

I'm pointing to things that happened previously. You're using those points to show that I'm aware of how I'm being viewed now. But those all happened previously. You don't get that?

[lane0168]

@davsto, I think they were pretty biased. I actually liked his reads with reasons. There were parts I agreed with, and parts that I didn't really care about, but nothing that looked scummy to me. I'll tell you what I think about your reads. I'm never on computer but I'll try my best to make it coherent

Farside, I'm probably not going to do this with you again. Davsto made a bunch of crap arguments, and I refuted them because davsto asked. And I didn't agree with them.

I'm not going down this road again. Not with you

This maybe out of order.

Lane I don't get the attitude right now.
I looked back and I saw one post and the second post here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8316077
None of this explains the town read on dark.
All you have done is defend the spot and I'm wondering what you see that is town?

[lane0168]

I'm pointing to things that happened previously. You're using those points to show that I'm aware of how I'm being viewed now. But those all happened previously. You don't get that?

i'm talking about now. i'm talking about the way you answered my questions.
the 'you're wrong, i did towny things like this, this, and this'.

Oh.

[lane0168]

I bring those things up because you act like I've been constantly defending dark and I have this conclusion dark was town. Like some infallible read. That's not true and its a misrepresentation.

[lane0168]

Farside. I'm not talking to you. You still want to KEEP ASKING ME THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER and I give you the best answer I have, and you keep questioning. And I give you the best answer I have. And you keep questioning. Do you get off antagonizing the fuck out of me or what? Do you forget what happened last game? You couldn't stop and drop what's been answered.

I like his big post. I disagreed with davstos analysis. I liked his questioning and push on Charloux. I agreed with it. I started townreading dark. That's it. That's all. Unless there's more ive already said.

Last game you kept asking why I townread someone. I said I didn't sscum read them. That was it.

And now that's it. That's my answer I've answered already to questions and said it at the time it was happening. Seriously wtf?

[lane0168]

vote: lane

You got reasons? Or just sheeping

All your doing is asking questions and acting like what is being asked has been responded to.
Did I say all you've done was defend dark? No.
I'm asking why the town read.

also. this.

No. Not this. I already answered

[lane0168]

Not chara? What was so "incredible" about my reaction? Serious question. Answer it.

What was so incredible about davsto pointing out a bunch of scum points, which you don't see, and then asking if he was crazy, and me saying yeah, you're crazy I don't see those scum points at all.

[lane0168]

There was a lot to comment on by that point. RVS was not necessary or helpful.

What are you implying with this? Do you think he is scum for that?

Filler question alert! BEEOOOBEEOOOBEEOOO! Quite obvious what he is implying

Oh fuck that. That's my a defense. That's an attack on Charloux Jesus

[lane0168]

Ok... So this is underwhelming. What a great weekend. Apparently everyone else had the same weekend.

DarkLightA has easily the best post on the game. I'm not sure why Farside is asking if he's just trying to look busy when to me, even if that were true, he's kick starting the game. I'm a fan.

Kick starting something by asking the same question that how been awnser already??
You can't be serious

He was obviously trying to bait you. Trying to see if you agreed with both davstos points in that post, cause you said you agreed with his points. But only the one point was about him.

Its clear he was trying to see if you knew what you were talking about or bull shitting your way through. You obviously weren't bs

Are you fucking serious? I explained what the fuck was going on?

[lane0168]

Vedith, why is Farside town?
Fire, why is Farside scum?
Vedith, why is Dav scum?
Fire, why is Dav town?
Vedith, why is bnl scum?
Fire, why is bnl town?

What is with the giant disconnect? You guys using your pt? What does your other partner think?

The only thing I saw I didn't like was fire being defensive to bnl. I probably wouldn't even respond. But having said that, I didn't think fire was being especially irrelevant at that point, to refute Bnl's point, who clarified it as being more scum.

The other thing would be the disconnect going on, but that mostly just bugs me. The only reason it would be scummy, would be to be able to vote pretty much anyone they want without getting shit. Sow confusion maybe? Idk.

That's not a defense of dark? That was me spewing my thoughts in the thread

[lane0168]

Not chara? What was so "incredible" about my reaction? Serious question. Answer it.

What was so incredible about davsto pointing out a bunch of scum points, which you don't see, and then asking if he was crazy, and me saying yeah, you're crazy I don't see those scum points at all.

your reaction to dark's big post that you liked, not Davsto.

i might be beginning to reconsider. did you answer about your read on farside and i missed it?

I'm trying to ignore Farside. She's doing the same crap she did to me our last game. Long story short I got force replaced. I don't have a strong read on her but she was town in that game so I guess I'd town lean?

[lane0168]

calm down. and as for 187.

i read 176. it looked like a request for clarification, as darklight later said.
i have no idea where you got that it was bait?

pedit: i wasn't trying to say it was. 195 was about the Firebringer hydra. i should have clarified.

Dark wanted to know if Farside agreed with both of davstos points. He had them numbered 1 and 2.

Only one of them was a point.

Dark wanted to see if Farside slipped up and said yeah she agreed with both points. Meaning Farside wouldn't know what she was agreeing with

[lane0168]

I'M CALM!!!!!

[lane0168]

Can we get into why people think Charloux is town?

[lane0168]

Yes we can,

@all Town reading Charloux. Why town?

[lane0168]

i ended up looking through Charloux to see what caused me to put a townread there.
i didn't find anything. and the lack of followup on my answer about McMenno doesn't look great either.

their readslist is fine reads wise, i'm not sure about the reasoning.
remind me who else said they were townreading Charloux?

Off the top of my head mcmenno and bnl. Farside I think said some things that I assumed she had a town read. But that might have just been her being a "davsto was killed cause town"-y

[lane0168]

Yes we can,

@all Town reading Charloux. Why town?

527 same thought process as me
532 read reavaluation and elaborate explaination
Also the joke in 520 is town

Your scumread on Charloux seems to be predicated on Dark/Chara being set-up as a mislynch, but your townread on that slot has diminished. How does that affect your read on Charloux?

It doesn't

[lane0168]

Can we get into why people think Charloux is town?

Me.

That's like a green behind the ears derpy town.

Also I don't think the blow up was necessary lane.
I'd thought you would have learned to be more rational after poker mafia.
The issue I had is you defended the spot. Ergo you are town reading the spot.

That's not hard to understand at all.

Is that different than his scum game?

I was very rational. I'd thought you would have learned that when I'm asked a question, I answer it. If you ask again, I'll answer the same way, because the first time was the actual answer. If you ask again I'll get pissed cause it's ridiculous

The issue is I answered your questions, again, and you keep asking, again.

Moving on

[lane0168]

VOTE: mohis see you in the afterlife for that beer

[lane0168]

If it was obvious you were town, you'd still be alive

[lane0168]

I'm still going for Charloux. I think the town reads arent even considering scum and I don't know why. I'll look in one of the people town reading the slot, so everyone.

[lane0168]

I'm still going for Charloux. I think the town reads arent even considering scum and I don't know why. I'll look in one of the people town reading the slot, so everyone.

If you think Charloux is scum, why did you hammer Mohis, and without intent?

My read on Charloux is irrelevant.

Mohis was a scum read.

Why would I claim intent? He already claimed everything he could. I thought his "just hammer me" was a bluff.

[lane0168]

I wanted to gift the saint bomb to farside, but failed because of mohis...
Good thing Mc is confirmed now, and i hope scum didn't get the cop.

I don't understand the first part of this. What did mohis have to do with it?

[lane0168]

The person who was lynched doesnt have their bid counted...

[lane0168]

The person who was lynched doesnt have their bid counted

[lane0168]

How do we make no sense? What you're saying is looking like a lie. Pretty sure you didn't bid on it. Because the dead persons bid didn't count. And if you were telling the truth. Farside would have the super Saint. Supposedly. Or at least you'd have won it...

[lane0168]

The only people I thought could've were mcmenno and Charloux, considering they weren't on the wagon. And it wouldn't matter coming from them

[lane0168]

How about we massclaim "Got Cop result" or "No Cop result"?

If someone got a Cop result, we have a cop inno. Otherwise, scum got the cop, and players who have insufficient money are less likely to be scum. In particular, farside and everyone who has at least $52 left can't contain both members of the scumteam.

Farside got the cop. Charloux was the target. First I had it going to you. But I didn't think Farside would be a night kill target.

[lane0168]

I gave her the results

[lane0168]

Does she get results? I claimed cause I figured she doesn't cause of jk

[lane0168]

Why didn't you want super Saint for yourself?

[lane0168]

yes, i think the jailkeep would have blocked the cop. it's annoying, but there you go.
lane, why didn't you expect farside to be the kill target? as far as i know, she wss universally townread. who did you expect to die?

I thought the chances for bnl were better

[lane0168]

Why didn't you want super Saint for yourself?

1) I don't get NK-ed unless i claim a good role
2) The bomb kills the guy who hammers= Most likely town dies because they scumread me
3) I think it was kinda obvious Farside would be the NK so i wanted to kill scum like that. And it would've worked too if Mc didn't save her!!!

Or if you're scum
In lylo, don't you think scum are most likely to hammer?
What are the chances mcmenno saved Farside?

[lane0168]

Mcmenno, did you also think Farside was most likely kill target?

[lane0168]

Alright where are we?

[lane0168]

hm. if farside is actually scum, everything gets really complicated.

lane, did you ever explain when you ended up townreading her enough to give her the cop result? i know you had her at lean town at some point yesterday.

No specifically. But it was a coin flip between you and Farside after I decided I wouldn't give it to bnl

[lane0168]

Why the hell aren't we considering scum Gambits for town cred? I find that to be highly viable, including a no kill situation.

I'm not dropping my Charloux read. I learned my lesson about doing that.

[lane0168]

Why didn't you want super Saint for yourself?

1) I don't get NK-ed unless i claim a good role
2) The bomb kills the guy who hammers= Most likely town dies because they scumread me
3) I think it was kinda obvious Farside would be the NK so i wanted to kill scum like that. And it would've worked too if Mc didn't save her!!!

Or if you're scum
In lylo, don't you think scum are most likely to hammer?
What are the chances mcmenno saved Farside?

You ignored this Charloux, why?

[lane0168]

if she was town she was most likely target if scum most likely to perform kill

honestly I'm leading towards lynching charloux, I'll hammer because I already got rb and jk (I rb'd dka btw, didn't claim because scum killed)

But what did you think you were doing? Blocking or saving Farside?

[lane0168]

Okay poe on this based on what we know and what I read is lane/bnl/nc
I don't see why Charlo as scum would gift me the bomb.
The only reason nc is on my poe list is dark play. A bit of paranoia there.

Very much needed towncred is enough to give you the bomb

[lane0168]

From my prospective mcmenno is town. No way scum would try to kill me just to jk me.

Why is Charlo a scum read mcmenno?

Again, town reading them for the action is reason enough

[lane0168]

Why the hell aren't we considering scum Gambits for town cred? I find that to be highly viable, including a no kill situation.

I'm not dropping my Charloux read. I learned my lesson about doing that.

So are you saying that you think Charloux's gift to farside is null, and you are scumreading him for other reasons?

Yes. I've been scum reading him. Thats all known

[lane0168]

Why the hell aren't we considering scum Gambits for town cred? I find that to be highly viable, including a no kill situation.

I'm not dropping my Charloux read. I learned my lesson about doing that.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft scum no kill gambit.
Doubtful.

Why is Charlo scum lane.
Give me a reason you are scum reading the spot.

I have. Give me a reason he's town.

His "but I'm alive I can't be scum!"
His "but I gave Farside super Saint, I can't be scum"
His "but you said Farside is town, so I can't be scum right?"

[lane0168]

That just shows me he did it for town cred. And trying to get others to believe he's town for doing it

[lane0168]

Charloux, why do you think not chara is scum? You started town leaning there previously. Why do you think a scum gambit is unlikely?

Farside? As far as I remember your town case for Charloux is, he's derpy town.

[lane0168]

Why the hell aren't we considering scum Gambits for town cred? I find that to be highly viable, including a no kill situation.

I'm not dropping my Charloux read. I learned my lesson about doing that.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft scum no kill gambit.
Doubtful.

Why is Charlo scum lane.
Give me a reason you are scum reading the spot.

Yes scum no kill gambit is generally doubtful. But entirely possible. Especially from scum that could be afraid of getting lynched.

Pros: game goes to mylo. So you have 4 town you can try to lynch instead of 2. You also get the towncred. People don't want to believe its likely, so your Gambits have high chance of succeeding. You only need to avoid one more lynch. Odds are higher to lynch town, worst case scenario you no lynch and get your kill back.

Cons.... None

[lane0168]

Exactly, which is why you should be considering it.

I think they are. Pointing out ridiculous reasons why you can't be scum makes me think you're scum

[lane0168]

Why is Charloux town?

[lane0168]

When did I vent my anger on you? What are you talking about?

[lane0168]

Why didn't you want super Saint for yourself?

1) I don't get NK-ed unless i claim a good role
2) The bomb kills the guy who hammers= Most likely town dies because they scumread me
3) I think it was kinda obvious Farside would be the NK so i wanted to kill scum like that. And it would've worked too if Mc didn't save her!!!

Or if you're scum
In lylo, don't you think scum are most likely to hammer?
What are the chances mcmenno saved Farside?

You ignored this Charloux, why?

I really don't think I'm wrong here people. Since he's ignoring I'll just explain number 2.

Let's think about who hammers town 99% of the time in lylo. Which it should be today. Scum. Town aren't going to quick hammer, but scum will for the win.

Who hammers scum in lylo? Meh, could be scum could be town.

If he's town, why in the heck is he thinking about town hammering? That virtually never happens. How do you not see that's a scum mindset?

[lane0168]

Not to mention, if he's town, it really wouldn't matter if town hammered, the game would already be over

[lane0168]

Wait, nevermind that part was dumb. It would matter if scum hammered, but that's not what he's thinking. Point is, scum hammer town

[lane0168]

Am I that type of player as scum or town? Do you have proof of me being that type of player? I attack players when they're being dumb. Not if I'm feeling endangered.

I also know your scum games are scummy. So that's null.

I'm considering others, but I'm more concerned with getting one right than two right now. Why waste my time when it's imperative to get it right this time.

[lane0168]

I settled on mohis yesterday. Sorry, but I'm not settling today

[lane0168]

@All: Btw, did Lane really give the cop result to Farside?
The first thing he should've done when the day started was ask Farside for results, right? But he only did that AFTER Mc said he jailed Farside. So what happened was that Lane actually sent his results to his partner(Not Chara), but after learning Farside was jailed he said that he gave them to her because 1)That would explain why there was no result; 2)He would get some town cred; 3)Town wouldn't be able to track him via points because they would think scum didn't get the cop at all.

Why would I give a cop result to my partner?

I wouldn't claim who I gave it to if mcmenno didn't say he jk Farside. Why would I? I'm not sure of Farsides alignment, and you can get a lot of information about associations from what she said with flips, ie if she said you're town then you happened to hammer super Saint. The right play is to let them come out with it themselves.

1)that does explain the no result
2)viable
3)what ?

[lane0168]

Farside, why won't you answer why Charloux is town?

[lane0168]

I claimed it so town wouldn't be able to figure out the scum that got it? Let's just move past that one, cause I don't really know what you're saying

[lane0168]

Exactly, which is why you should be considering it.

I think they are. Pointing out ridiculous reasons why you can't be scum makes me think you're scum

Do you think his gift to Farside is a "ridiculous reason"?

No. I think pointing it out along with everything else he keeps pointing out is ridiculous though

[lane0168]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He didn't claim to send it to me after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

I didn't? Then why did Charloux say I did? I'll go look at the order of events, but I'm pretty sure i claimed because you got jk

[lane0168]

I can think of a much better thing for scum to do with a cop than fake giving it to farside. Can anyone else? Pop quiz

[lane0168]

amnesiac copper claim

I jailkept farside

How about we massclaim "Got Cop result" or "No Cop result"?

If someone got a Cop result, we have a cop inno. Otherwise, scum got the cop, and players who have insufficient money are less likely to be scum. In particular, farside and everyone who has at least $52 left can't contain both members of the scumteam.

Farside got the cop. Charloux was the target. First I had it going to you. But I didn't think Farside would be a night kill target.

Order of claims.

Then why did you just say I didn't claim it after mcmenno claimed?

[lane0168]

Probably missed "until"? And why would I claim it before?

[lane0168]

I can think of a much better thing for scum to do with a cop than fake giving it to farside. Can anyone else? Pop quiz

Hint, it involves faking a guilty. And with people saying my partner is not chara or bnl, that would not be hard. I wouldn't need to fake a cop to farside the jailkept.

[lane0168]

I've asked several times why Charloux is town. I don't feel the need to answer your question, or the need to try to figure it out right now. I don't care who is Charloux's partner. There are several options. When he flips scum basically every is a possibility. Finding his partner isn't important to me because it doesn't matter who his partner is if he's not lynched now does it.

[lane0168]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He didn't claim to send it to me after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

he could have given a fake (or real result) using his scumpartner. i still don't see the reason for scum lane to do this.

If lane scum gives to his scum member it ties them together if one is lynched.

One of us wouldn't be lynched. A cop guilty would've gotten whoever we wanted lynched

[lane0168]

I've asked several times why Charloux is town. I don't feel the need to answer your question, or the need to try to figure it out right now. I don't care who is Charloux's partner. There are several options. When he flips scum basically every is a possibility. Finding his partner isn't important to me because it doesn't matter who his partner is if he's not lynched now does it.

What if the rest of us refuse to lynch Charloux today?

Then you'll have to figure out how to collaborate with scum to lynch. Scum will help you lynch town. Scum might help you lynch scum. So good luck

[lane0168]

My auction stuff is ready.

[lane0168]

I've asked several times why Charloux is town. I don't feel the need to answer your question, or the need to try to figure it out right now. I don't care who is Charloux's partner. There are several options. When he flips scum basically every is a possibility. Finding his partner isn't important to me because it doesn't matter who his partner is if he's not lynched now does it.

What if the rest of us refuse to lynch Charloux today?

Or make a better case. Everyone's cases besides mine poe because assuming town actions

[lane0168]

why not bnl

I see lane more scummy then bnl.
Lane reads more like lashing out and Chara reads as figuring thing out.
I'm not opposed to bnl given that he makes sense with lane.

Lashing out is a scum tell for me?

[lane0168]

@Lane: What do you think of McMenno's potential gambit?

I think it's a potential gambit.

[lane0168]

quick informal announcement: as a Floridian I am likely to be affected by the hurricane coming through our state later this week. My apologies for any delays in the game it may cause.

Good luck be safe!

[lane0168]

why not bnl

I see lane more scummy then bnl.
Lane reads more like lashing out and Chara reads as figuring thing out.
I'm not opposed to bnl given that he makes sense with lane.

Lashing out is a scum tell for me?

It's not just lashing out.
It's more foaming at the mouth for nonsensical reasons.

Question: would you hammer me knowing I have a Supersaint ability?

No, I wouldn't hammer you not knowing that either. I'm voting for who I'm scum reading

[lane0168]

This game has come to a screeching hault

[lane0168]

So is mylo right? What we can assume is there is probably 1 scum on me, and 1 scum between bnl, NC, and mcmenno

[lane0168]

So is mylo right? What we can assume is there is probably 1 scum on me, and 1 scum between bnl, NC, and mcmenno

Why is McMenno on this list?

Because he's on that wagon

[lane0168]

Well, I was being generic. Considering me and bnl haven't been hammered yet. And Charloux is already on me

[lane0168]

Am I dumb? Is it just not mylo cause the pgo?

[lane0168]

Charlo: I'd like to see your scum reads other then lane.

Still think the other one is NC. BnL has been really indifferent, whereas NC has been throwing shade around.

Why is indifference more of a town tell than trying to find scum?

[lane0168]

I just get the feeling like where the hell is the support for Charloux, so obviously I'm missing something. More likely everyone else is though

[lane0168]

No the wagons are because town can't even consider Gambits from scummy scum

[lane0168]

VOTE: Charloux guess I never realized it wasn't, not that it matters with zero support

[lane0168]

You don't have other reasons you fool. You're just trying to survive. Let's be honest.

Yeah I'm tunnels on Charloux. Because he's scum. And I still don't get how it's not mylo. So my concern is lynching scum today. Just one and that's it.

So if mcmenno is scum, who's the partner. Funny you want to consider it now, but not actually consider it and just lynch me

[lane0168]

Who said it's scummy trying to survive? I just think it's dumb trying to come up with reasons when it's obvious you just don't want to be lynched. Which I can't blame you for. I'd do the same thing and vote you, but I don't feel like losing

I don't think me and mcmenno needed then cred enough to block our own shot.

I wasn't trying on that question because I'm not concerned with it right now. Not scummy.

Not sure what you mean by sudden change in attitude. That's pretty bad.

Why am I not pushing for your lynch when you seem to be the easiest one right now? Because I'm more sure of Charloux and you being wrong.

Why let my partner sit on a wagon with no intention to push it?

[lane0168]

So much for always obvi towning. Wtf is even going on here?

[lane0168]

VOTE: lane you all deserve what you get. Good riddens

[lane0168]

That's because I'm always town. I did my best this game looking town I've ever done. Until power roles were confirming others as town.

We were in mylo. All Farside had to do was vote bnl and I'd hammer and we make a kill we win. I don't know why Farside didn't do that. Even if we didn't get a kill at night, I would be the only obvi scum in that situation and Farside was town read and could've gotten away with that. She said she was waiting for me to vote bnl, but that would just damn us both if we didn't get the kill. Frustrating

[lane0168]

That's because I'm always town. I did my best this game looking town I've ever done. Until power roles were confirming others as town.

We were in mylo. All Farside had to do was vote bnl and I'd hammer and we make a kill we win. I don't know why Farside didn't do that. Even if we didn't get a kill at night, I would be the only obvi scum in that situation and Farside was town read and could've gotten away with that. She said she was waiting for me to vote bnl, but that would just damn us both if we didn't get the kill. Frustrating

I was waiting for you to vote and I was going to hammer since I had that ability when targeted someone would die.
Thanks in large part to Charlo.

Did you have that that night? Meh, I was just waiting so you didn't get scumread for the hammer

[lane0168]

You wouldnt need that ability. Id be the scum