Micro 642: Auction Mafia TOWN WINS!

[farside22]

vote: davesto

Welcome back!

[farside22]

VOTE: davsto

Lynch that sucker! L-2

I know I had a good plan that didn't get followed last time. Something like bet 49 on everything. Scum have to bet 50 of they want it.

Either we get it (good) and have 51 left
Or we don't (bad) but scum bet 50 and only have....

No we bet 50

Either
we get it (good) and we have 50 left
Scum bet 51 and get it (bad) but only have 49 left and we only have to bet 50 for the rest cause they only have 49. That means we each should get 2 powers the rest of the time.

I'm pretty sure that's what I had but I'll have to check. Or maybe I won't cause I'm pretty sure that's the summary

I know I had a good plan that didn't get followed last time. Something like bet 49 on everything. Scum have to bet 50 of they want it.

Either we get it (good) and have 51 left
Or we don't (bad) but scum bet 50 and only have....

No we bet 50

I am perfectly fine with this, though I would like to ensure town gets the JOAT over any item.
So I wouldn't mind betting higher on that item than scum to ensure they don't get it.

~Fire

This^

[farside22]

Lucky have I ever told you how much I love this setup? Cause I do. If there's only been 3, I'm like an auction mafia legend lol

I am the true auction mafia legend.
2/2 for 2.

TOP THAT LANE!

~Fire

I just looked at the last ones. Got seriously INSTANTLY pissed when I remembered Salamence getting away with that shit. OMG so BAD! lol.

Also got giddy all posters are veterans. Hoping we can eventually townblock up and dominate these newbs haha

I forget, or maybe never knew, does roleblocker block strongman? And if we got joat and vig, is it theoretically possible to use vig and the strongman? Or will that be strictly for scum?

I'm reading it as can't be blocked.
It says only one role can be picked.

[farside22]

I was trying to say I thought I call Sala scum that game too.

Singing
Memories

[farside22]

Did Farside play in any of the auction mafias? I don't remember her in them.

~Fire

Kind of irrelevant.
Hoping the veteran team is also all town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=63074

I died too soon.

[farside22]

Vote: mapwolf

[farside22]

He put in a joke to ease the tension of his RVS vote. Obviously it backfired.

Is this in reference to map?

[farside22]

Charloux: It would be great if you didn't just say "he" in your post and use players names that you are referrring to. I"m completely confused by what you are even talking about at this point.

[farside22]

VOTE: My Other Head is Scum
Hydra hate
---
As far as things go

JOAT

is certainly the best quality item right now as strongman basically cancels out

doctor

.

Roleblocker

as always can be pretty usefull if you use it on the right person.

Role Cop

is mostly useful for figuring out someones value (in money), if no one will admit who had which power.

Still not sure what our bidding strategy should be though.

VOTE: My Other Head is Scum
Hydra hate
---
As far as things go

JOAT

is certainly the best quality item right now as strongman basically cancels out

doctor

.

Roleblocker

as always can be pretty usefull if you use it on the right person.

Role Cop

is mostly useful for figuring out someones value (in money), if no one will admit who had which power.

I don't like this post either.
1. "Strongman basically cancels out doctor" feels like a scumslip, though I could see it as denying it from scum.
2. He is talking about how good roles are and how to use them, but I feel that it's quite generic and shallow.

My post was evaluating the value for mafia and town. If you are town strongman is obviously useless, and if you are mafia tracker and watcher is not

that

useful.
That said my post was certainly rushed since i had class.

fixing broken italics tag because I'm ocd and it was causing my eye to twitch

Just to clarify the issues with Map here. He is discussing the powers just looks to be pointless gibberish to look active. Then when he gets back he's just been defensive since then and I haven't seen him question anyone or push anything else as scum tell.

*puts Dav in town list*

[farside22]

@Farside: Sorry! I will be more careful from now on!
The whole "discussion" from yesterday was based on 39 and 48
Hope this helps.

It does.
Why do you think Darklight is joking?

[farside22]

I feel all mother like read Charlo. He has that green behind the ears newb feel. Definitely foot in mouth syndrome.
Notice mohs says nothing about map in any shape or form.
Or really anyone.

[farside22]

Upon rereading, I realised that this is a townslip.

I'll take it with a pinch of salt with Dav... He's a sneaky one

Vedith

This stuck out to me.
Feels like he's leaving himself open to vote without offering an opinion.
Also some of the questions are pretty lackluster

[farside22]

Something else I noted that is bugging me. I noted lane following my vote from Dav to voting map.
Currently have 3 town reads.

[farside22]

I feel all mother like read Charlo. He has that green behind the ears newb feel. Definitely foot in mouth syndrome.
Notice mohs says nothing about map in any shape or form.
Or really anyone.

what does this post even mean

I do not believe vedith is jester here

Attack feels fake. Just a lob vote while ignoring everything else.
Since your speaking, you going to do more the put players at l-1?

[farside22]

Upon rereading, I realised that this is a townslip.

I'll take it with a pinch of salt with Dav... He's a sneaky one

Vedith

This stuck out to me.
Feels like he's leaving himself open to vote without offering an opinion.
Also some of the questions are pretty lackluster

"Feels like he's leaving himself open to vote without offering an opinion."
Sorry, I don't understand? Also, I can't see this under any interpretation.

He dismissed the town read on Dav. Threw shade on Dav all while giving no real opinion what he thinks.

[farside22]

*Waits for omgus from MOHIS *

[farside22]

*Waits for omgus from MOHIS *

I am already voting you.
You are voting me?

~FIre

Wasn't referring to myself obviously.

[farside22]

I also kind of have hard time thinking that Bullet has a scumread on me, but maybe he is associating me with my alt or something.
No clue.

~Fire

Just in regards to this post.

[farside22]

As I said just waiting.
Making a bet with myself on it.
Point back when/if it happens.

[farside22]

farside is so scummy in this game.

Can we please pressure her?

~Fire

I don't see it. Explain?

*munches on popcorn.*
I'd bet money it's gut.

[farside22]

I also kind of have hard time thinking that Bullet has a scumread on me, but maybe he is associating me with my alt or something.
No clue.

~Fire

Just in regards to this post.

First off: Do you consider OMGUS to be a scum tell?

Second off: Do you believe Bullet when he said this is different from my town posting?

~Fire

It's null but you do seem to set yourself up to do whatever you want without an explanation.
So I'm keeping an eye on it each time and will be the person quoting it each time you do so.
Like with Dav.
With me.
With bnl.

[farside22]

Yeah, please put more votes on farside.

~Fire

WOOT!

See what I don't get about this is we have played many games together here.
You know I do whatever I want for the first part of the game till I get reads so I knew you had jack shit.

Now I'm just wondering if your doing this for show or a purpose.

[farside22]

I also kind of have hard time thinking that Bullet has a scumread on me, but maybe he is associating me with my alt or something.
No clue.

~Fire

Just in regards to this post.

First off: Do you consider OMGUS to be a scum tell?

Second off: Do you believe Bullet when he said this is different from my town posting?

~Fire

It's null but you do seem to set yourself up to do whatever you want without an explanation.
So I'm keeping an eye on it each time and will be the person quoting it each time you do so.
Like with Dav.
With me.
With bnl.

See, if you can post more like this I would understand your posts.

I don't know if I said anything that would "let me do what I want" with dav?
I actually kind of have him as town, I think vedith doesn't trust him though.
BNL I am on the fence.

You I have as scum.

~Fire

Okay why are you on the fence with bnl?

[farside22]

Something else I noted that is bugging me. I noted lane following my vote from Dav to voting map.
Currently have 3 town reads.

So of note, is mohis not saying anything about map wolf? And also of note is me, following your vote to map wolf?

You can take that second note off, I was following Bnl's lead, not your naked vote.

Fair enough I hadn't thought in those terms.

[farside22]

Since the game has momentarily stalled and I can't produce new content, I would like to ask:

Everyone voting Map Wolf: Why not unvote since he is at L-1? Why not move to Mohis?

Your read on me is weak sauce.

Map Wolf is probably town too btw.
I have too many townreads.

Mcmenno, you are on my lynch pool right now. I can tell your really really (not in a normal way) not trying here.

~Fire

Explain why you think map is town.

[farside22]

I liked Dav points about dark.
I don't see map/dark scum together.
I was thinking map/mohis but Vedith just confused me.
Thinking......

Vote: darklight

[farside22]

I still think Mohis is very scummy. Why aren't people voting them?

@Farside, why is Darklight scummier than Mohis?

I'm waiting on firebringer head on this one. Vedith has me a bit confused in regards to my reads.
Dav hit on some really good points about Dark.
The thing about Dark is he is pushing the whole RVS things as a scumtell. That was pretty petty in regards to what Map had said and did. I think still fighting over that is pretty weak initself.

[farside22]

Fire: I asked about your read on map.

[farside22]

Fire: I asked about your read on map.

He's already stated a townread on Map.
He hasn't elaborated on it though (or anyone else for that matter, other than maybe McMenno and you, and even so very briefly).

I wanted to know why he had a town read.

I mostly think the people who are voting me are so because they have nowhere else to put their vote. I don't have any scumread. Davsto is my townread so far due to the content he has posted.

You think this is scummy?

It's meh. It's lackluster and pretty much just giving nothing to the game.
I predict much lurking from the spot.

Vedith has me a bit confused in regards to my reads.

What does this mean?
What reads have you changed on? Can you give your reads as well?

-Vedith

Scum reads on map, dark.
Nul: you and MeMenno.
Rest goes under town

[farside22]

I still think Mohis is very scummy. Why aren't people voting them?

@Farside, why is Darklight scummier than Mohis?

I'm waiting on firebringer head on this one. Vedith has me a bit confused in regards to my reads.
Dav hit on some really good points about Dark.
The thing about Dark is he is pushing the whole RVS things as a scumtell. That was pretty petty in regards to what Map had said and did. I think still fighting over that is pretty weak initself.

@ dark: my response about what I caught is in this blurb.
I can explain more with quotes later.

[farside22]

Dav hit on some really good points about Dark.

The same thing is in that quote. Is this in reference to the two points in 67 or is it other general points?

Did you read his points at all?
I'm pretty much agreeing with point 2 in your attack against map.

[farside22]

VOTE: Map Wolf
I don't like the late RVS

There was a lot to comment on by that point. RVS was not necessary or helpful.

And yes it's in reference to the 2 post but consider you've made all of 6 post at the time I'm not sure why that should be an issue.

[farside22]

Dav hit on some really good points about Dark.

The same thing is in that quote. Is this in reference to the two points in 67 or is it other general points?

Did you read his points at all?
I'm pretty much agreeing with point 2 in your attack against map.

Okay, this is what I wanted to understand if you understood. It seemed to me like you were agreeing to that entire post, in which case you would literally be following it blind.

Are you reading post or just asking questions to look busy?

[farside22]

Like, I just wrote a post based entirely on reading posts, with only one question (directed to you) because I needed clarification. How is that "just asking questions to look busy"?

I'm pretty sure what I quoted explained my read on without having some clarification and accusation about sheeping.

[farside22]

Ok... So this is underwhelming. What a great weekend. Apparently everyone else had the same weekend.

DarkLightA has easily the best post on the game. I'm not sure why Farside is asking if he's just trying to look busy when to me, even if that were true, he's kick starting the game. I'm a fan.

Kick starting something by asking the same question that how been awnser already??
You can't be serious

[farside22]

Ok... So this is underwhelming. What a great weekend. Apparently everyone else had the same weekend.

DarkLightA has easily the best post on the game. I'm not sure why Farside is asking if he's just trying to look busy when to me, even if that were true, he's kick starting the game. I'm a fan.

Kick starting something by asking the same question that has been awnser already??
You can't be serious

Fixed

[farside22]

Ok... So this is underwhelming. What a great weekend. Apparently everyone else had the same weekend.

DarkLightA has easily the best post on the game. I'm not sure why Farside is asking if he's just trying to look busy when to me, even if that were true, he's kick starting the game. I'm a fan.

I see what I posted as pretty clearly what I'm agreeing with in regards to davs post.

Kick starting something by asking the same question that how been awnser already??
You can't be serious

He was obviously trying to bait you. Trying to see if you agreed with both davstos points in that post, cause you said you agreed with his points. But only the one point was about him.

Its clear he was trying to see if you knew what you were talking about or bull shitting your way through. You obviously weren't bs

Vedith, why is Farside town?
Fire, why is Farside scum?
Vedith, why is Dav scum?
Fire, why is Dav town?
Vedith, why is bnl scum?
Fire, why is bnl town?

What is with the giant disconnect? You guys using your pt? What does your other partner think?

The only thing I saw I didn't like was fire being defensive to bnl. I probably wouldn't even respond. But having said that, I didn't think fire was being especially irrelevant at that point, to refute Bnl's point, who clarified it as being more scum.

The other thing would be the disconnect going on, but that mostly just bugs me. The only reason it would be scummy, would be to be able to vote pretty much anyone they want without getting shit. Sow confusion maybe? Idk.

I'm not scum reading Vedith. I was leaning scum with fire mostly because I'm scum reading map and he is defending the guy with weak reason. Plus the scum read on me seems fake and he's pushing McMenno which seems pretty easy to attack.
Vedith post and response confuses me about the hydra.

[farside22]

Map: I'd like a list of reads from you with reasons why you have that read.

[farside22]

Vote Count coming soon!

And don't forget players, the auction ends at hammer time!

Bid submitted.
Everyone should confirm they have submitted bids.


~Fire

Done.

I am null on DarkLight personally, but BNL, want to address me at all?
Like anything lately that you think is scummy?

~Fire

Only one question: Why were you scumreading farside? I can understand why you would scumread McMenno but I don't see the same for Farside. Please quote Farside's posts and explain what is scummy about them. Otherwise I want to say that you don't have a case at all.

Honestly.

Farside is a null to me, and doesn't feel like poker, which kind of is a terrible example of meta by anyone?
I have played with her in quite a few games, so I don't think she is town in this one because statistics (bad reasoning I know, shoot me).

So honestly, its made up. I don't care, I want her pressured more to get something more definitive.

~Fire

[farside22]

When he said

-Farside is scum here, and
-more votes on Farside.

You gotta give him credit, I didn't pick up on that, but he makes good points. Will reread farside

farside22: Lots of content, but I'm having a hard time picking out too much information. Regardless, weak town.

Doing this one out of order because I saw him disagree with mohis' read on farside and realised I didn't remember DL's read on farside being town and this is why, because literally the entire description hints at scumlean and then he goes "SURPRISE WEAK TOWN GOTCHA"

This one's well pointed out though, and you are actually more correct than I think you realize.

This is tied back to the whole 2-points thing (that tied back to you) that was explained well by lane on the previous page. After my read-through I had farside as a scumread with a large focus on that point. As I didn't want to influence the response I tried to provide a "safe haven". I'm satisfied by the response so it's not as bad as I thought, but I'd put her on a null-weak scum

color me shocked at that 180 degree read turn with little pressure.

No, your other head is scummy. I'm not moving my vote.

He kept saying far is scum.
Then wanted more votes on far.
Then said he already explained the read.
His townread on bnl was for bnl having a bad meta read? Scum... Have bad meta reads. Read doesn't compute.
Then he said he was never sure of Farside. Just wanted pressure on her. And yet, he only wanted other people to do the pressuring for him. He never made a single attempt to pressure her, ask her questions, general pressure producing content was non existent.

I'm not moving my vote.

hmmmm I need to check something.

*note for self for later*

[farside22]

I think the only thing I'm trying to remember is if Fire is a tunnel type and frankly I have no reference of that occurring.

[farside22]

I don't tunnel.

So what's with the new trend here?

[farside22]

I can't believe dark keeps getting away with post like he made.
Then you have map that is a lurk sack.
McMenno apparently rubs people the wrong way and bam he gets votes.

[farside22]

I don't tunnel.

So what's with the new trend here?

I have no idea what your talking about.
I don't tunnel.

Why don't you give me a post I can actually read?

~Fire

Why are you tunnelling on me.
If you say you aren't I'll call you a liar right now.

I always feel players think I'm better then I think I am.

[farside22]

I'm think map is just lurking scum at this point.
He just avoid my question.

[farside22]

Moves lane down to null.

vote: mcmenno

[farside22]

L-1 by the way.

[farside22]

L-1 by the way.

Never mind l-2

That's what I get for getting up early today.

[farside22]

That did not sound as i imagined... Give us reads or something.

I did or are you blind

Allow me to play the "I was drunk when i posted that" card!

McMenno apparently rubs people the wrong way and bam he gets votes.

Moves lane down to null.

vote: mcmenno

From the first post i got the impression that Mcmenno is null to you, and that he shouldn't get votes for things like that; AND THEN you voted him 18 posts later. Can you explain your thought process to me?

I wanted to test a theory in regards to mohis.
I just thought his reads were fake and I wanted to see if he reacted to my vote on the player he is calling scum with me.
His reaction was not what I expected so I'm still very confused by them.

Vote: map

[farside22]

Why does map keep just complaining in general or act like scum don't lurk too.
The equivalent of his post are summed up as.
Oh I don't know. I have no clue.
We are at page 12 with the same fucking excuse.

[farside22]

So yeah this game has stalled too much. This game really needs more activity. If anyone has got questions i will be willing to answer them.

What's your read on Mohis?

Townlean due to them participating in the discussion that there is.

Because scum find it impossible to participate in discussion..?

No, but scum generally doesn't have a direct incentive to provoke discussion

And I don't see this coming from a "Mr. trying to be neutral":

I've just not been able to get into the game yet—I'll get better as it progresses, I promise.

That's my favourite excuse as scum too

Don't you? I was merely pointing out your incredibly lame excuse for inactivity, an excuse which I have frequently used as scum in the past. Of all the points you have a problem with, really?

So yeah this game has stalled too much. This game really needs more activity. If anyone has got questions i will be willing to answer them.

What's your read on Mohis?

Townlean due to them participating in the discussion that there is.

Because scum find it impossible to participate in discussion..?

No, but scum generally doesn't have a direct incentive to provoke discussion

You do realise how incredibly wrong this viewpoint is? Like, looking like they're town and making other people look like scum is literally how scum play, and you know how you do that? Provoking discussion! Because people who promote discussion tend to get labelled as town, but provoking and leading discussion allows you to paint other players in the light you want. Scum's incentive for promoting discussion is that it's their main path to victory!

Okay sorry if i didn't elaborate in my post. What i meant by "direct incentive" was that discussion isn't something scum wants, but rather trying to look like they are making it. Now looking back my read on Mohis might not be that decent, but point remains that town generally does try to participate more.

This is just general chit chat.
He's doing exactly what he says scum do.
Then when asked about reads he's given 2 reads, one he's voting for.
True story

[farside22]

I started quoting things then I realized it was too many quote walls to go through to make a direct point.

I don't like dark change of read when pushed by Dav.
I think the unvote of map with the reason stated is pure BS.

Just an FYI I checked a game map played, haven't had time to check more. He tried to engage in the game. He pushed questions and reads and since I saw her put forth effort there, I thought I'd try to engage him by asking him about his reads, which he still hasn't fucking responded to

[farside22]

Guys, I really don't like a MapWolf Lynch

~Fire

get ready to like it then

@darklight get your vote off of davsto please and thank you

fwiw I didn't read all that back and forth shit

I'm jealous.

[farside22]

Actually I could do this:
VOTE: DarklightA

I have townread on Map, not willing to lynch.

~Fire

Please explain the town read.

[farside22]

Davsto, you remind me alot of Science mafia, and not in the good way mate.

~Fire

Davsto was town that game????

yo, did you read his post?

I think he sees Dav as town. I think it's a playstyle thing.

[farside22]

Pooring of thoughts.

Sometimes I think map/mohis scum team. The read from the both of them is just weird.
I've asked myself if data is scum, who is his scum buddy.
I just know I feel my strongest town reads I feel good about.
McMenno is one I just can't get a read on either way.
I'm pretty much leaving my vote on map at this point.

[farside22]

Claiming only tells scum who has no coins left.
Only claim with information.

-Vedith

I endorse this product and/or service.

@mohis, why would scum think it's a good idea to call for a claim first post? (straight forward question)

Because McMeno is lazy and didn't read the previous 2 games to know that people would be against it.
Trying his luck here as scum knowing who can and can't buy powers is a great advatange.
Charizard is probably his buddy and they wanted to frame an easier lynch.
380 is dreadful.

-Vedith

Sorry but that is funny. People think my theories or crazy but I don't think of stuff like this.

I feel like that NK is an obvious let's lynch dark moment.
I really don't care for dark's entrance into day.

I'm going to reread a few things to see if I'm missing something

[farside22]

I respect that.
I just had a brain fart moment when I was typing on my phone minus wearing my glasses.

New rule for me, always make sure I am wearing my glasses while posting anything and don't blindly push buttons.

[farside22]

On a worse note scum know how much I have now and a greater shot at winning bids.
Quickly before I get side track, I was thinking dark is scummy but I was trying to figure out who was scum with dark and if anyone makes sense.
I was thinking, maybe mohis but that didn't look yet.

[farside22]

Okay rereading a few things I'm changing my views on Mohis. I think the hammer was inevitable, I think the only issue I have is the focus on just mcmenno and myself.
One thing I noticed reading back is lane just asking questions but not really pushing any scum reads. This seems like a red flag to be because I recall the guy to be pretty pushy with his scum reads.
McMenno is still pretty null.

I'd put dark/lane scum team at this point with McMenno as my could be scum but no clue category.

[farside22]

vote: dark

Would also vote lane.

[farside22]

I feel like that NK is an obvious let's lynch dark moment.
I really don't care for dark's entrance into day.

I'm going to reread a few things to see if I'm missing something

You think Davsto would be the prime target for Dark, over say me who said lets lynch them the other day?
Now explain this more, cause this isn't adding up.

~~~~fire

Dav was more vocal.

I think as scum you wouldn't vote someone you'd been wking all game.

[farside22]

Nobody asks the first question that came to my mind...

Farside, why no bid for cop?

The ability goes to another player.
That means scum could get the info, seems useless in my view.

[farside22]

Looks like I just touched some nerves.

[farside22]

Farside, why no bid for cop?

The ability goes to another player.
That means scum could get the info, seems useless in my view.

This is a slip.

JK is only useful in blocking the cop.

That's all. Therefore, when farside thinks cop "seems useless," why is she bidding for the item that blocks it? The only (sensible) reason for a town player to bid for JK is to prevent scum from getting it and blocking the cop role. Why would you be concerned enough about a cop block to bid 35 if you think the cop role "seems useless"?

JK stops scum and protects town.
If scum was lynched I'd use it to protect someone I was town reading like bnl.
If town was lynched then block scum read and hope for the best.
Unless you know who got the cop that seems like a stretch.

[farside22]

Walk me through why you wanted the bomb.

Duh.
I get killed at night and get to kill back.

I just realized I miss read the cop ability, I thought the results was sent to a random player.

[farside22]

Wifom night kills means nothing to me.

[farside22]

Wifom night kills means nothing to me.

What?

You think charlo is going off NK and using it. I've seen town and scum think about who was killed all the time. Hell I've had scum use it against me. I have also used NK to find scum.
In the end it's wifom. Sometimes the kill means something and sometimes it doesn't.
I player thinking it means something is NAI.

[farside22]

Farside, why no bid for cop?

The ability goes to another player.
That means scum could get the info, seems useless in my view.

This is a slip.

JK is only useful in blocking the cop.

That's all. Therefore, when farside thinks cop "seems useless," why is she bidding for the item that blocks it? The only (sensible) reason for a town player to bid for JK is to prevent scum from getting it and blocking the cop role. Why would you be concerned enough about a cop block to bid 35 if you think the cop role "seems useless"?

JK stops scum and protects town.
If scum was lynched I'd use it to protect someone I was town reading like bnl.
If town was lynched then block scum read and hope for the best.
Unless you know who got the cop that seems like a stretch.

If scum is lynched, isn't it better to use it as a roleblocker as it becomes much more powerful as one scum is left?

Yeah I just realized that it narrows the reads done.

[farside22]

I feel like that NK is an obvious let's lynch dark moment.
I really don't care for dark's entrance into day.

I'm going to reread a few things to see if I'm missing something

You think Davsto would be the prime target for Dark, over say me who said lets lynch them the other day?
Now explain this more, cause this isn't adding up.

~~~~fire

Dav was more vocal.

I think as scum you wouldn't vote someone you'd been wking all game.

I disagree, this is what Fire does as scum.

In Science Mafia (read till end of Day 2 from given link), Fire (as Fire Assassin) constantly expresses dislike towards the Ranger wagon. Then after a while, he decides to hammer Ranger because 'game wasn't progressing'. He was scum. (Actually Ranger had been hammered earlier, but him hammering was scummy so it was not to his benefit to 'hammer' again).

Contrast Queen Mafia. Fire (also as Fire Assassin) townreads Postie who is constantly at L-1/2, it is near deadline, and yet he is not willing to lynch Postie, instead voting a secondary scumread Aristophanes. He was town.

VOTE: My Other Head Is Scum (Was planning to do this yesterday but had to delete my post due to compromise)

Firebringer and Assassin are the same dude? I think I'd remember that with my last game with FA, they play pretty differently......Firebringer?

[farside22]

dav was killed because he was obvtown

This^

[farside22]

Firebringer and Assassin are the same dude? I think I'd remember that with my last game with FA, they play pretty differently......Firebringer?

different playstyle

Same person?
If so I'm impressed.

[farside22]

Firebringer and Assassin are the same dude? I think I'd remember that with my last game with FA, they play pretty differently......Firebringer?

Its me, but I refuse to acknowledge any meta reads based on a different style of play.
So when BNL keeps bringing this read in, I just look at him with a puzzingly

I thought I recalled this argument when you were FA.

That was math who did it that game too.
I don't think it's scummy but I do think that when you did something as scum I can see why it would stick out to bnl.

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Yeah I just realized that it narrows the reads done.

What do you mean it "narrows the reads done"?

Jailing someone you are scum reading makes more sense with 1 scum left because if you are scum reading 2 players and someone that is not you dies, the other is more likely scum.

[farside22]

Please link the game, and to that exact post if possible.

This isn't game relevant, so i kindly refuse.

He's trying to understand what "this" is that your referring to and I'm assuming meta reference as well.

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I don't get why everyone is seeing Charloux as scummy this game....
even my other head.

I really don't see him as scummy.
He just seems self defeating and I kinda get why.

Shrug.
Ask lane.
I don't get it either.

[farside22]

Do you think that because the situation is similar (to idk what), DarkLight is likely scum? If you do, it's game relevant.

No, i don't. I never mentioned dark for this. I was reffering my and lane's positions in this.

What do you think of lanes reaction to your comment.
I didn't see him even acknowledge it.

[farside22]

Do you think that because the situation is similar (to idk what), DarkLight is likely scum? If you do, it's game relevant.

No, i don't. I never mentioned dark for this. I was reffering my and lane's positions in this.

What do you think of lanes reaction to your comment.
I didn't see him even acknowledge it.

What do you think it says about Charloux alignment?

Charlotte reads like a goof that, if I was a betting person, probably gets lynched in most games.
All you have is the whole wifom about Dave, but that's just a small drop in a big sand.
Seems pretty weak to me.

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Yeah I just realized that it narrows the reads done.

What do you mean it "narrows the reads done"?

Jailing someone you are scum reading makes more sense with 1 scum left because if you are scum reading 2 players and someone that is not you dies, the other is more likely scum.

Why did you "just realise" it? Aren't you experienced enough to know that JK is much more powerful as a RB than a Doc with one scum left?

I forgot.
When you mentioned the question to me about why wouldn't I JK a scum read, I reevaluated the situation and had a blond moment when I realized that was the best strategy.

[farside22]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz
Waiting on Mohis to respond to lane and replacement.

[farside22]

Jeez, I forgot my hydra partner is V/LA
I don't know what to talk about in this game anymore.

Like game is pretty dead activity wise.

Ohh Hi Not Chara btw
nice to see you again.

I think you replaced into possible scum slot though.

~Fire

hello Firebringer!

hello not chara what's your alignment

and hello to you as well.
to both of you: i'm town.
McMenno, do you have any

better

questions?

i'm reading up at the moment. but we may as well chat here too. is there anyone i should be paying special attention to/you want to ask about?

i saw that farside made a public bid and was penalized for it. i couldn't find the posts when i looked. were they deleted, or did i miss them?

pedit: hahaha, very funny. :>

HI nc.
Welcome to a slow pace game.

I'm not sure why post 103 reads awkward to you.
Bnl just doesn't seem to like mohis attitude.

Why is someone defending your slot scummy?
Post 195 lane is taking about mohis and bnl and I agree it doesn't come to a conclusion.
And my brain shut down reading the rest.

Sorry I'm a bit sleepy.

Unvote

Not looking for any lol hammer till I can finish and see what nc says.

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Hello! Don't worry about getting hammered, the only guy who does that was recently replaced!
Btw what's there to claim again?

nevermind that for now.

do you have any thoughts on my reads?

Okay I finished reading the links and all I saw was the one for lane and all I got was he'said scummy for defending your slot.
I'm not sure why that reads scummy at all.

[farside22]

Never mind my question nc.

Lane: please explain your read on dark.

[farside22]

My instinct to Chara's first posts is that I feel they're genuine (town).

Some questions:
I have a hard time reading McMenno, and after you explained to Charloux I still don't understand. What is town about #220?

Scumreading Not Chara just more on BNL bad instincts.

~Fire

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@davsto, I think they were pretty biased. I actually liked his reads with reasons. There were parts I agreed with, and parts that I didn't really care about, but nothing that looked scummy to me. I'll tell you what I think about your reads. I'm never on computer but I'll try my best to make it coherent

Farside, I'm probably not going to do this with you again. Davsto made a bunch of crap arguments, and I refuted them because davsto asked. And I didn't agree with them.

I'm not going down this road again. Not with you

This maybe out of order.

Lane I don't get the attitude right now.
I looked back and I saw one post and the second post here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8316077
None of this explains the town read on dark.
All you have done is defend the spot and I'm wondering what you see that is town?

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Lane: I quoted and linked were you defended dark.
I'm asking why you think they are town. I noted you've thought this since day 1.

[farside22]

vote: lane

[farside22]

vote: lane

You got reasons? Or just sheeping

All your doing is asking questions and acting like what is being asked has been responded to.
Did I say all you've done was defend dark? No.
I'm asking why the town read.

[farside22]

And if you say you didn't town read the spot, my vote stands

[farside22]

Can we get into why people think Charloux is town?

Me.

That's like a green behind the ears derpy town.

Also I don't think the blow up was necessary lane.
I'd thought you would have learned to be more rational after poker mafia.
The issue I had is you defended the spot. Ergo you are town reading the spot.

That's not hard to understand at all.

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I am really not scum, pretty sure you are though.
Me knowing he would flip town doesn't really mean much besides I was right.

I have compromised voted many times before, I even said I would get called scum for it.
Its kind of a silly pattern.

Hell I think lane here has called me scum before hammering a townread when I said i was doing it to compromise.

you knowing that you've done so before doesn't make it look any better. it just means you did it knowing you had the means to defend yourself.

talk to me about your read on me.

True, but it also doesn't mean I am scummy either.

My read on you is mostly from your previous incarnate but some from you trying to get a foothold into this game by making up fake reads.

Ewwww

Fos mohis

[farside22]

hey I'm ew farside too

also prodge

That's nice.

[farside22]

farside: forget the fos, be so kind as to vote MOHIS with me.
lane might be town.

Let me reread a few things first.
Lane seemed like he was acting like this whole thing was like poker mafia.
The difference with that game and this was he was null on RC when he got all pissy and here he defended dark from Dav, which implies a town read and somethings lane said still have me confused.

[farside22]

I had to reread lane twice and I feel like I'm getting a lot of double talk there.

Mohis: explain why you see nc as scum.

[farside22]

I'm thinking about what nc is saying in regards to lane.
I'm wondering if lane is still pissy about poker mafia. Or if he's just really bad at explaining things, which I lean more on the later in retrospect.
Waiting for mohis to explain his scum read on nc.
VOTE: mohis

[farside22]

amnesiac copper claim

I jailkept farside

Thanks!

[farside22]

mod: v/LA for 2 days

[farside22]

How about we massclaim "Got Cop result" or "No Cop result"?

If someone got a Cop result, we have a cop inno. Otherwise, scum got the cop, and players who have insufficient money are less likely to be scum. In particular, farside and everyone who has at least $52 left can't contain both members of the scumteam.

Farside got the cop. Charloux was the target. First I had it going to you. But I didn't think Farside would be a night kill target.

I didn't receive any cop info.
I did get Charlo gift.

Not sure why I'd get a gift and not cop info.

[farside22]

I asked the mod to see if there was an error.
The best I understood it, role bid action don't go through a jk.
So it's possible that Lane did send me the results.

[farside22]

From my prospective mcmenno is town. No way scum would try to kill me just to jk me.

Why is Charlo a scum read mcmenno?

[farside22]

Okay poe on this based on what we know and what I read is lane/bnl/nc
I don't see why Charlo as scum would gift me the bomb.
The only reason nc is on my poe list is dark play. A bit of paranoia there.

[farside22]

Why the hell aren't we considering scum Gambits for town cred? I find that to be highly viable, including a no kill situation.

I'm not dropping my Charloux read. I learned my lesson about doing that.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft scum no kill gambit.
Doubtful.

Why is Charlo scum lane.
Give me a reason you are scum reading the spot.

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Charloux, why do you think not chara is scum? You started town leaning there previously. Why do you think a scum gambit is unlikely?

Farside? As far as I remember your town case for Charloux is, he's derpy town.

He also gave me the bomb which I find incredibly bad to do for scum.

Why the hell aren't we considering scum Gambits for town cred? I find that to be highly viable, including a no kill situation.

I'm not dropping my Charloux read. I learned my lesson about doing that.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft scum no kill gambit.
Doubtful.

Why is Charlo scum lane.
Give me a reason you are scum reading the spot.

I have. Give me a reason he's town.

His "but I'm alive I can't be scum!"
His "but I gave Farside super Saint, I can't be scum"
His "but you said Farside is town, so I can't be scum right?"

None of that are scum tells

[farside22]

Vote: lane

[farside22]

I'm think bnl/lane more likely do to very little interaction.

[farside22]

Charloux, why do you think not chara is scum? You started town leaning there previously. Why do you think a scum gambit is unlikely?

Farside? As far as I remember your town case for Charloux is, he's derpy town.

He also gave me the bomb which I find incredibly bad to do for scum.

Why the hell aren't we considering scum Gambits for town cred? I find that to be highly viable, including a no kill situation.

I'm not dropping my Charloux read. I learned my lesson about doing that.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft scum no kill gambit.
Doubtful.

Why is Charlo scum lane.
Give me a reason you are scum reading the spot.

I have. Give me a reason he's town.

His "but I'm alive I can't be scum!"
His "but I gave Farside super Saint, I can't be scum"
His "but you said Farside is town, so I can't be scum right?"

None of that are scum tells

Just pointing out what lane is calling scum tells.

[farside22]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He didn't claim to send it to me after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

[farside22]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

Your voting bnl?
You think bnl and who then?

[farside22]

amnesiac copper claim

I jailkept farside

How about we massclaim "Got Cop result" or "No Cop result"?

If someone got a Cop result, we have a cop inno. Otherwise, scum got the cop, and players who have insufficient money are less likely to be scum. In particular, farside and everyone who has at least $52 left can't contain both members of the scumteam.

Farside got the cop. Charloux was the target. First I had it going to you. But I didn't think Farside would be a night kill target.

Order of claims.

[farside22]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He (lane) didn't claim to send it to me till after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

Fixed so it's more clear what I was saying.

[farside22]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He didn't claim to send it to me after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

he could have given a fake (or real result) using his scumpartner. i still don't see the reason for scum lane to do this.

If lane scum gives to his scum member it ties them together if one is lynched.

[farside22]

Just a few notes is I do see where bnl calls lane town and there is some questions and responses back and forth.
Day 2 lane is a scum read but votes mohis.

Where as nc. Lane has defended the spot since day 1, day 2 nc attacks the spot but seems satisfied with lane's response.
Defending lane today.
Lane attacking only Charlo and no one else.


Lane: who is scum with Charlo and why?

[farside22]

BNL/lane is just. it's a weird scumteam.

what i don't see is scum lane fake-claiming to have given the cop to farside, who was jailkept. there's no reason to do it. it doesn't really give him towncred, and it gives him no reasoning/leverage to make the pushes he would want to as scum.

He didn't claim to send it to me after mcmenno said he jk me.
He probably didn't use it.

he could have given a fake (or real result) using his scumpartner. i still don't see the reason for scum lane to do this.

If lane scum gives to his scum member it ties them together if one is lynched.

One of us wouldn't be lynched. A cop guilty would've gotten whoever we wanted lynched

I would have questioned it. Blindly following a guilty is dumb.

I got my auction stuff ready, if everyone has then I think bnl is the best lynch

Auction stuff is done.
Why bnl?

[farside22]

why not bnl

I see lane more scummy then bnl.
Lane reads more like lashing out and Chara reads as figuring thing out.
I'm not opposed to bnl given that he makes sense with lane.

[farside22]

farside town = BNL scum absolutely (so they would hammer)
farside scum = who hammers is less important in this case but still i would need to really consider who it should be.

farside, opinion? i know you're the one to be lynched in this case, but still.
i've never played with this role or strategy so i don't know if there's something i haven't considered. it sounds like it would work.

Well I'm not thrilled with being lynched.
Players don't trust me because of the lack of kill?
Bnl?
Because I see lane scum more then others?

[farside22]

Also bnl scum won't hammer because he is told to.

[farside22]

why not bnl

I see lane more scummy then bnl.
Lane reads more like lashing out and Chara reads as figuring thing out.
I'm not opposed to bnl given that he makes sense with lane.

Lashing out is a scum tell for me?

It's not just lashing out.
It's more foaming at the mouth for nonsensical reasons.

Question: would you hammer me knowing I have a Supersaint ability?

[farside22]

My only concern is nc defense of lane.
Im reviewing every point and thinking what makes sense.
I'm off work today, so I'll get to all of it today.

[farside22]

So is mylo right? What we can assume is there is probably 1 scum on me, and 1 scum between bnl, NC, and mcmenno

Why is McMenno on this list?

[farside22]

Okay rereading the back and forth with nc/lane doesn't read scum scum interaction.
Lots of views from nc also makes me feel a bit better and

[farside22]

Only interaction i see bnl and lane was day 1.
Bnl didn't say much in regards to nc/lane interaction.
He's pushed more on nc then lane for questions.

Charlo: I'd like to see your scum reads other then lane.

[farside22]

So is mylo right? What we can assume is there is probably 1 scum on me, and 1 scum between bnl, NC, and mcmenno

Why is McMenno on this list?

That awful reasoning.

Because he's on that wagon

[farside22]

That awful reasoning.
^

[farside22]

it's not mylo though?

There are 6 players alive.
Scum target me, one dies.
The one saving point is the pgo today's auction if a mislynch happens and scum picks that person.
Hmmm mmmm


Thinking.

[farside22]

I just keep getting the feeling like I'm missing something or I'm being manipulate in some way.
The wagon composition is bugging me.

unvote

[farside22]

The wagons could be because there both scum.
McMenno gambit no kill seems risky as hell.
A little put off by nc wanting to go with McMenno idea of voting me and bnl hammer.

Thinking.....

[farside22]

I just get the feeling like where the hell is the support for Charloux, so obviously I'm missing something. More likely everyone else is though

Why aren't you voting Charlo if your so sure he's scum?

[farside22]

No the wagons are because town can't even consider Gambits from scummy scum

I really don't get the town read on lane at all.

[farside22]

VOTE: lane0168

Did a thorough read through and pretty convinced that this is scum now. There is one scum in {Farside, Charloux, Lane}, and one in {McMenno, Not Chara} FMPOV. Charloux is a solid townread, and I've read through to make sure that Farside/McMenno and Farside/Not Chara aren't scum teams, and besides, I'm townreading her D3 play too. (For example, her unvote in 838 doesn't make sense as scum).

On the other hand, Lane is really scummy now, primarily regarding his tunnel on Charloux, which seems really contrived and fake at this point. There are other reasons, but my top two townreads and one top scumread in that pool is sufficient for me to vote Lane.

This is what I thought but nc seemed to see lane as town and mcmenno was seeing you as scum and I thought fuck am I going nuts here.

Vote: lane

That's not moving.

[farside22]

He said he thought it was mylo. He hammered.
Nothing town about that.

[farside22]

Silly question if item wasn't used can it be used this night?
If so I'd say no to claiming.

[farside22]

i ended up asking the mod, farside. did you?

No, I'll do that now.

[farside22]

I'll wait for the mod but if he says it's used up, claiming is fine.

[farside22]

that's what Lucky told me.
darklight took the doctor on the first day. i took yesterday's watcher. neither were gifted. the doctor protect was used on lane, not outing my investigation results yet.
and you, farisde?

I bought the pgo thinking I'd have it to use tonight.

It's the only item I've bought this game.

Bnl what did you buy? Why?

[farside22]

If mafia no kills the cop will stay alive resulting in town win. I finished bidding before i voted for no lynch.

I bid on cop, you bid on doc?

The one issue is redirector.

[farside22]

there's no breaking strategy. there's a miller, a cop, and a redirector. if we announce who buys cop, the cop is dead. unless mafia got miller, then someone will just be framed.

the cop should know if they're redirected. my results had the name of the player i watched.

BNL, your turn to claim what you bought. i'm not outing my results until you do.

Apparently I thought there was a dic.
No one should bid on that miller at all.

[farside22]

Sorry but it's broken.
Let's put it like this: I am a redirector and farside is a cop.
I transfer all your actions onto BnL. If he dies, you are scum and we have a cop to confirm it. If Farside dies, i will know that you aren't the one who killed her. If i die, farside will say if she got a gulty or not. That's it basically.

You got the gift from bnl?

If you buy the redirector you target who you think is scum and redirect them to your second scum suspect.
So for example you think nc is scum and bnl. You target one to go for the other. I cop one and that should clarify the final scum between the 2.

[farside22]

I did my bid early too.
Maybe I'll be lucky and won't be outbid.

Charlo if you get the cop check nc.

I think we nlynch from here and hope for the best.

[farside22]

Vote: No lynch

Charloux if you get redirector instead please target nc to bnl.

I feel more sure that lane/nc

[farside22]

farside? please confirm what role you took/your results, if you have them.

I got the cop results.

Checked bnl. He is town.
The only concern I have about my results is the redirector ability.

[farside22]

BNL, you bought the BP for 52 and the redirector sold for 48. did you take it?

Not sure what the point of this is. If he's scum he's going to lie.

I know you didn't have the money for it and I have to think of the odds of bnl picking me and directing me.

mod: can scum use an ability and kill on the same night?

[farside22]

i also have a question for you. why did you check BnL and not myself? you asked Charloux to redirect me onto BnL if he got that ability, and to cop me if he got that instead.

I checked him because of the redirector being bought for so much and Charlo said he bid on both.
I just figured it was best to check someone that had a 50/50 shot at redirecting correctly.

[farside22]

Right now I'm trying to figure out if bnl would target someone other the nc if he's town.
If so Charlo death.........
He could lie about what he did to in regards to what he did.....
Thinking

[farside22]

I didn't buy the Redirector; I bid on completely nothing last night.

@Farside: Are you saying that you didn't get the redirector?

No.

I got a generic result of innocent.
As for making a pick I just figured if I got one that was good for the town.
I bid 23 on cop and the rest on redirector.

[farside22]

That's 27 on redir.

Tell me what the significance of 23 and 27 are. It was pretty obvious what everyone had yesterday.

Also if you don't retract the no redir claim I'm voting you in my next post, this is your last chance if you're gambiting town.

I'm gambiting.

I got the redirect last night and targeted you to nc.

Vote: not_chara

Gg

[farside22]

Nah I was looking for a reaction.
I would have used a lot less and tried for both items as scum.
I thought bnl redirected would prove if I was wrong about him.
NC was the one defending lane from what could have been a scum victory

[farside22]

Things to remember with lane is how he defended dark (now nc) and when votes went on to lane, NC started to back off and give lane a chance to survive despite Lanes really bad reasoning.

[farside22]

Vote Count 3.final

Charloux -
McMenno -

lane0168 (Lynched!)

- Charloux BulletNLynchproof farside22 lane0168
BulletNLynchproof

(L-2)

- Not Chara McMenno
farside22 -
Not Chara -

Not Voting -

With 6 alive it takes 4 to Lynch!

Deadline - (expired on 2016-10-11 06:00:00)

lane self-voted. planned bus.

BnL wasn't hammered here because it could have been an auto loss for farside and lane. a quick hammer would have outed both as scum, and the night abilities could easily have prevented a win.

it's a good thing Charloux didn't listen to me on BnL, though.

Also I didn't vote bnl, both mcmenno and nc were on the bnl wagon.
When bnl voted lane I thought what I was feeling about lane was correct, changing to bnl would have been better if I was scum.
This is just bad hypothetically bs from scum.

[farside22]

this is a test post for signature purposes. if i accidentally post it, ignore it.

this is a test post for signature purposes. if i accidentally post it, ignore it.

User control
Go to profile.
Go to signature.

I need to change mine.

[farside22]

Anyways the behavior between lane and nc and the interaction alone is scummy, but the redirect on bnl from me proves he's town.
NC said they got the watch ability and never said anything about bnl targeting Charlo.

[farside22]

no one targeted Charloux.
auction bids aren't night actions, they resolve during the day.

BNL said he gifted Charlo the bp.

[farside22]

yes, and?
gifting doesn't happen at night. i can't watch for it. it happens when the bids are resolved. watching looks for night actions, not ability gifting from bidding.

I got my action at night......

Mod: when a player is given a gift is it given during the day or night?

[farside22]

yes, and?
gifting doesn't happen at night. i can't watch for it. it happens when the bids are resolved. watching looks for night actions, not ability gifting from bidding.

I got my action at night......

Mod: when a player is given a gift is it given during the day or night?

Bid actions are game actions NOT player actions and are not affected by players. They can not be investigated/influenced/or controlled in anyway by players. Thus this question is irrelevant because it does not happen during either

Huh.
You should think about changing that. A player giving an item seems more like a player action in my view.

[farside22]

Farside, you wanted Charloux to redirect Chara onto me yesterday. What made you change your mind?

I second guess myself.

I do that a lot.

[farside22]

2. What was the point of your gambit?

CuriousIty?

Nah I'm joking, I just thought I'd see how nc reacted when I claimed cop.
Like their reaction, what they would do. I was surprised they held firm to there question. They even asked about if you had bid on the item.
Why they didn't believe me is a mystery I have no reason to lie in lylo without verification and it's suicide to do.

[farside22]

i just. i could keep fighting farside but i don't see a point. there isn't any more to be said about her that doesn't make her look like more blatant scum than she already is.
it doesn't get much worse than 'i held off on a confirmed guilty on Chara for shits and giggles'.
another great line is there not being a reason to lie in lylo.

[farside22]

3. Have you ever considered that I might've voted you immediately upon counterclaiming you, causing a town loss?

No.

Gambit didn't produce anything.

I wanted mostly to see if nc would claim something crazy to confirm there scum.

[farside22]

To you.
Like I just felt if I came in and said I redirected bnl and Charlo is dead, it's my word against scum nc.
I was hoping for a slam dunk proof.

[farside22]

I assume nothing with nobody.
If you thought bnl took the cop at all you would of asked us both for results.

[farside22]

I assume nothing with nobody.
If you thought bnl took the cop at all you would of asked us both for results.

ha. that isn't how cop results work. if BnL was town and had results he would have said something, there's no need to ask specifically in lylo.
well, when a player is town, there's no need to ask. :>
i didn't think BnL had the cop. but you should have thought about it. you didn't because you knew Charloux had taken it.

why were you concerned that BnL, who had you at 99% chance town, would suddenly not believe you when you called me scum?
how did you know BnL didn't take the cop? fakeclaiming that is dangerous.
you said yourself lying in lylo is suicide. (for town, anyway)

these questions are, of course, hypothetical. i know you're scum. but i imagine BnL wants them answered.

The contradiction award belongs to Chara.

[farside22]

Prodge.

Currently leaning scum on farside. I starting to think farside said is conceivable, but not to the point where she's townier than Chara.

764: How can you be so careless as town?

Please, NC was the one trying hard to save lane.
Did I screwed up because I had self doubt?
Just look at the interaction between lane/nc and how much they defended each other through out the game.

[farside22]

How about a b-day present to me and vote scum Chara.

Thanks!

[farside22]

Also I haven't reread the game yet, but I haven't and won't have time to do so, but if I end up doing so, maybe I'll change my mind about you.

But I probably won't. Your "gambit" looks fake.

It wasn't fake.
I would have just claimed x as scum to ensure a scum win.
I just fuck ed up and over thought the situation given that I'm tried of fighting in games.

i don't have anything more to add here, unless there are questions. looking forward to the hammer.

I bet you are.

[farside22]

Bahamas I should not have over thought things

[farside22]

i think a straight guilty would have been your best bet in this case. :>
i thought your distancing with lane was well done.

Thanks and I agree completely.
I was just hoping to throw shade on bnl.

I'm glad it worked out this way, I've been feel jaded toward town lately when things look so obviously scummy it's nice to see someone think things through.

[farside22]

That's because I'm always town. I did my best this game looking town I've ever done. Until power roles were confirming others as town.

We were in mylo. All Farside had to do was vote bnl and I'd hammer and we make a kill we win. I don't know why Farside didn't do that. Even if we didn't get a kill at night, I would be the only obvi scum in that situation and Farside was town read and could've gotten away with that. She said she was waiting for me to vote bnl, but that would just damn us both if we didn't get the kill. Frustrating

I was waiting for you to vote and I was going to hammer since I had that ability when targeted someone would die.
Thanks in large part to Charlo.