Mini 1840: Watch Dogs Blitz [Game Over]

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I hate site meta. Site meta causes people to lose. People with brains win.

Take Nadhia head for example: She is trying to be Johnnie be Wright and cement scum reads early. However I prefer to cement town reads early and then look at what comes after. Scum usually make a mistake in RVS which becomes clear after shenanigans have started.

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I am going to keep my flag flying and do me. Anyone who doesn't try to use their brain gets my glares. My glares hurt.

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Whelp. Looks like Nahdia's right this time.

Gamma or Infinity are obv scum. Gamma Emerald IMHO slipped with regardless of alignment and how that question was asked.

Gotta go to work.

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Calling it Gamma/Lane/Creature

*mic drop*

Lane Pointing out a TvS fight is not scummy. Look at recently completed 1825 I replaced into. Mentioned 1v1s I had and caught House. Only reason I got fucked up was Titus got in the game.

Running out the door.

Lane helps out buddy after I drop serious vote. Gamma tells the truth about 1 scum being already on the wagon. Creature buddies infinity.

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Link for reference: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68113

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Phone alerted me I got a PM and that it had a message. At work for a few more hours. I want to catch up after work and make sure I trust the sender before replying. Based on what I read over lunch I think I do but not enough time to post yet.

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I don't like the question exchange by Gamma. Seems like blatant attempt to fake a townslip while not being accused of rolefishing.

I also don't like how people piled on creature then piled off just as fast. That vote split looks very off.

Creature's reads look like crap. Especially the StarGazers read. Not seeing how that came about.

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No. Because I have faked town slips as scum and asking if there are PRs is NAI.

1) Could be VT.
2) Could be power role derping to try to take heat off.
3) Blatant scum wanting to role fish.

You didn't "point" it out to me. As I said I was reading at lunch. Just not enough time to post.

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It is very antitown though and considering how scummy the rest of your posts are my vote stays.

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Bullshit.

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It is the Gamma Infinity exchange IMHO that is telling.

I suggest a three person team and then all that shit happens.

I think there is a coincidence.

FYI House I replied just waiting on Firebringer

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@Gamma you are using the without causation definition I am using

correspondence in nature or in time of occurrence.
"the coincidence of interest between the mining companies and certain politicians"

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House top three town and scumreads. Go.

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Guess so.

VOTE: Unvote

There is probably a hole in my theory then. Will reread after work.

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I don't respond to spam. Not enough time in the day. Please respond only if you like.

(Spam filter has blocked the following message from being PMed to everyone):

MathBlade wishes to take a survey on what diets each person likes to catch scum. They just have generic "food" as their diet how lame? They saw an article that mayonnaise or nuts are the best ways to catch scum. MathBlade is discounting the survey that said Olives.

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Haven't looked yet at how Creature and Dunnstral have interacted, but they ping me individually.

Why does dunn ping you

I originally wrote off his little crusade against me as newbtown in nature, but he's been in way too many games for that to be true.

Is it just because you don't like is reasoning or is there something else there

That's a thought.

@Mathblade: Did Dunnstral strike you as a VI in this game?

Not at the end. I was clouded by the fact infinity and dunn did a shitty reaction test though.

At the start I was a replace in so I don't know.

I think that Creature is scum. As town they would care if someone called their reads crap and ask why and try to sort me.

Still don't like Gamma.

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VOTE: House

It's dumb to think I'm a VI

House is scummy

Dunnstral is the one calling you a VI. I'm asking for opinions.

My question as to whether or not you were a VI got two different responses. What do you make of them?

?? I am a bit lost I thought others were calling Dunn a VI posts please.

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It is the Gamma Infinity exchange IMHO that is telling.

I suggest a three person team and then all that shit happens.

I think there is a coincidence.

FYI House I replied just waiting on Firebringer

Ridiculous preflip reminds me of Gistou, overconfidence is null

Town: lane, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral
Slight town: House, SlySly, Grapevine
Null: Tatsuya Kaname, GuiltyLion, Stargazers
Slight scum: Mathblade
Scum: Creature, Infinity 324 (but I don't really think they are both scum together, so one of these is probably wrong)

SlySly read is tentative and could change after he posts more. I disagree with just about everything he said but it sounds a bit town.

This. IIRC, Creature and Infinity were the leading wagons at that time.

Reads are shit captured in OMGUS.

I think scum have been pushing infinity since the top of the day since I won't be mislynched.

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Gamma Expedience Creature new team. Lane gets townbeard for the scums.

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Why am I town math?

Because of how this is obviously a mislynch frameup. You look like lynch bait and everyone is talking about you while no counterwagon is forming and all conversation is on you.

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Day 1 Vote Count 1.12

Creature (L-6): StarGazers,
Lane0168 (L-4): Pantherpunt, SlySly,GuiltyLion,
Dunnstral (L-6): Gamma Emerald,
StarGazers (L-6): Creature,
Grapevine (L-6): Infinity324,
Infinity 324 (L-3): Grapevine, Expedience, lane0168, House,

Not Voting (2):Mathblade, Dunnstral,

With 13 Alive it Takes 7 To Lynch

Day Ends (expired on 2016-10-17 08:00:00)

Look at how the vote counts are distributed. Yet no one is talking about anyone but you, This reeks of mislynch central.

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BTW Math, why aren't you voting if you have a scumteam?

Because I am waiting to see who is strongest link/person scum doesn't want to lose. Once I know that I will drop it like it is hot.

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Why am I town math?

Because of how this is obviously a mislynch frameup. You look like lynch bait and everyone is talking about you while no counterwagon is forming and all conversation is on you.

If this was true, I think the focus would be on creature and/or gamma

No. Scum won't focus on themselves unless forced. And if they are someone will try to form a counter wagon.

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Math, how often do people who try to guess the whole scumteam on d1 end up being correct?

I have a better hit rate than most on d1 team claims. Just because I am not 100% accurate doesn't mean I stop hunting. I see the associations I show them.

Already said infinity was mislynch bait based on voting pattern and why I wasn't voting anyone.

Gotta go to work.

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Working lynch Gamma please. Now that infinity wagon diffused scum are trying to avoid voting Gamma.

No time for indepth explanation.

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Top of my head completed no

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Common sense.

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^^ This be scum lynch him.

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House is town.
House is town.
House is town.
House is town.
House is town.

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Will be afk til Saturday

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Til Saturday evening
EBWOP

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Catching up now

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I don't like this slysly wagon very much and it's making me get suspicious of counterwagoning

What are you saying in 1302 maria?

Well we're counterwagoniing because
1) Panther is at L-2
2) We are creating 2 wagons so we don't have to sppedwagon

This post is terribad.

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I don't like this slysly wagon very much and it's making me get suspicious of counterwagoning

What are you saying in 1302 maria?

Well we're counterwagoniing because
1) Panther is at L-2
2) We are creating 2 wagons so we don't have to sppedwagon

This post is terribad.

Do you find it scummy or do you not like the ideas I presented?

Panther is at L-2 which is a fact (I have no problem with this)
The fact you say "we" are creating 2 wagons so you don't have to speed wagon is bullshit.
A) "we" is undefined. I think this is a scumclaim here.
B) Don't have to speed wagon is shit. I think PantherPunt was done of pure lynch shopping and I don't like how it gathered up that quickly.
In less than 100 posts PantherPunt went from L-5 to L-2. Preventing a speedwagon my ass. This looks like an attempt to speedwagon to avoid pressuring gamma.

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I am more than happy to lynch lane still and will gladly move my vote back, but the deadline approaches and it's time to get this game moving.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Panther

This post is also terribad.

Because moving from an L-whatever to making another 3 person wagon seems sketchy as fuck.
Then a couple other people are hopping on as well with NAKED votes.

At this point votes should not be naked.

There is no reason to policy lynch right now. None. And that's the BEST thing towards a case on PantherPunt I can find.

This is a counter wagon to Gamma pure and simple.

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Looks like Math is developing tunnel vision here.

"Ooooh Math is being smart on their read on me...Guess I better call it tunnel vision to hope other people ignore them. " (Paraphrase of Gamma Emerald's post)

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VOTE: SlySly
Okay that was a lot that happened.
SlySly has sank down in my reads during my reading of the last few pages.

This is also bad..wow so much bad. You vote SlySly then you vote PantherPunt in order to progress the game even though the person who is your top scum read (I'm assuming that because you voted SlySly again the whole "common sense" thing). This looks like a deliberate attempt to call out SlySly yet not vote for him an attempt to distance.

Last VS is this

Lane0168 (L-6): GuiltyLion,
House (L-6): Pantherpunt,
PantherPunt (L-2): Infinity324, Expedience, SlySly, Dunnstral, Creature,
Mathblade (L-6): Gamma Emerald,
Expedience (L-6): Stargazers
Gamma Emerald (L-4): House, Grapevine, lane0168,

Not Voting (1): Mathblade,


Therefore Gamma is a viable wagon and should be lynched. Instead of what is being offered. Granted the SlySly drop a vote and scoot is weaker than the gamma read but this feels horrible. Gamma needs rope.

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VOTE: SlySly
Okay that was a lot that happened.
SlySly has sank down in my reads during my reading of the last few pages.

I don't like this slysly wagon very much and it's making me get suspicious of counterwagoning

What are you saying in 1302 maria?

Well we're counterwagoniing because
1) Panther is at L-2
2) We are creating 2 wagons so we don't have to sppedwagon

You waited a WHOLE 10 POSTS. 10.

Omg. That clearly shows a natural thought progression /sarcasm

Hello House <3 I think this answers your question but let's just say my gut can't digest Gamma's posts easily.

Pedit: Irrelevant. Reread my points.

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But if Sly flips scum, I'm coming for you.

Silly.

(In a voice like a stereotypically gay fashion icon) Oh shut up....I've left my crumbs all over this thread. There ain't no way I'm getting mislynched honey.

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Bring it. I ain't choosing between what you are selling. I don't have to. There's time before day end. This is a fucking BLITZ game. More than a 5th of the day still remains...Damn.

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*Continues the voice* Did I agree? Hell to the no. People are going to look at you and your posts. And if they think you are town they are gonna have to parade their knockoff counterfit reads as genuine because like a little black dress to every fem woman you being lynched is a necessity.

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I think Gamma is scum but I'm sure everyone here has all of their mental capabilities. They may say stupid things but don't insult the player insult the gameplay.

Of which Gamma's is terribad.

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I'm not a lyncher. Gamma just doesn't want to interact with my good logic.

I'm going to bed. Good night.

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Going to be afkay for the D&D-ay.

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Just got home will catch up after dinner.

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Lol. Wow. Gamma SlySly be scums together. That vote "progression" is pathetic.

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No. I don't have any buddies.

2) You are actually detracting from a lynch when you move from an L-2 lynch to L-4.

I would prefer you to be town too but that at this point is a pie in the sky dream.

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I need to ask something privately to Stargazers. Just a moment please.

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Stargazers you will have an important message in your queue when Firebringer online.

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I am inclined to wait on Stargazer's message to me.

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I believe Stargazers is town or scum have fake claims.

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The claim is...
My night action was blocked and that's why there was no NK.

That means 1 of the 2 of the following are true:
1. SlySly is scum that issued the NK for scum and Stargazers blocked it
2. Stargazers, who has a guilty against them, is scum

Vote accordingly.

Neither of these have to be true.

There are a lot of possibilities where both could be town.
Like Stargazers is town and roleblocked Sly and scum kill is doctored/BP/whatever and Creature is redirected.
Mafia/Town Lightning Rod
Stargazers town and roleblocked the killer who does not necessarily have to be sly. Creature is lying and is a low power role.

I think the main thing is that people are mechanics over scumhunting.

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There are a lot of things not being considered here. Let's slow down and think.

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Generally lightning rods are limited shot so the game can be played. My point is scum would have ways of fucking with PRs. In Shadowrun Mafia I explicitly created situations that conf!scummed a townie to get rid of a mason crumb.

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I do not believe in Occam's Razor without analysis

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The biggest thing is even if Stargazers blocked Sly it is not condemning of Sly. It means that if Stargazers is town then Creature's result is messed with or Creature is scum. There is not conclusive evidence of who did the kill.

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This becomes a matter of if Creature is trusted.

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And Creature wasn't fucked with.

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I am at work but I want to reuse creature

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Reiso* autocorrect sucks.

Yes. No kill does not mean Stargazers blocked it. This is what I take issue with. Doctors BPs or other things can interact with it if they exist. I want to look back and figure it out.

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That is the crux of it.

IMHO if anyone is scum I would pick Creature over Stargazers. The last will mechanic would let Creature out his guilty. Instead he could have tunneled Nahdia and then saw who didn't want to vote her and see if his guilty was untampered with. However if it was the reads are lost because people are giving scum an out. (The paragraph assumes Nahdia town)

I think gut reaction based on how things went both are town or Creature is scum and Sly would be likely but not confirmed scum.

However I want to read and confirm. I also have a hard time believing Stargazers would crumb as scum.

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Good morning Vietnam.

VOTE: Mathblade

Not sure other player's experience with Blitz here. I've got a lot of experience in Blitz games from my home site though I will say this game has slightly longer day phases than the ones I'm used to from there. Still though I think this advice applies; really

focus on forming scumreads and cementing wagons sooner rather than later

. Last minute panic for lynches is how gruesome mistakes are made. I remember one game I played (I was mafia thankfully) where town lynched the cop day 1 and the doctor day 2 because it got to the last minute and people were panicking and the PR's hadn't claimed previously since they weren't in any significant danger leading up to that point.

-Nahdia

Explain why scum Nahdia would crumb a movie about a broadcaster.

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Good morning Vietnam is a movie starring Robin Williams.

The vote on me would only increase my visibility to it.

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Good morning Vietnam is about a broadcaster who reports in the worst of situations and about censorship at its core. This implies a bit of censorship. Roleblocker is a type of censorship.

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Why would scum claim censorship role post one? There were very few roles I would accept from Nahdia after that. VT wasn't one of them.

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I did and I built my crumb in the post after

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It was my signal to Nahdia I saw it.

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I am investigating if it is a true guilty having set up so many fakes myself. I am not finding reasons to townread. I want all my questions answered.

Why would they fake claim roleblocker post one? If I was roleblocker I would have tunneled Stargazers to kingdom come. It is incredibly stupid play.

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I did and I built my crumb in the post after

Ok fine

But it still makes no sense that you'd townread the guilty based on that

Explain a situation which would lead scum!creature to fakeclaim a guilty on stargazers

Doesn't have to be a fake claim.
Could be Creature was redirected.

However if it is a fake claim it would be due to making an intelligent sacrifice.
Scum would have had to know that Nahdia was a roleblocker or had excellent reads and then a 1 to 1 trade is worth a planned bus. Planned busses for towncred are a thing.

It also doesn't excuse Creature's play in the slightest. I don't see why a town Creature would claim here. If Creature is a cop then he could keep sending off guesses and put them all in his last will. Outing himself for one guilty doesn't make sense as a town play.

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You'd be saying that Nahdia specifically created a crumb to buddy me...ewww Still possible but eewww especially after Shadowrun Mafia.

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I didn't know how to act before revealing my guilty.

Not a how to act thing. It is like you are playing as if you have no last will.

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Can I have a link? I am phone posting.

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I have to get back to work still reading that.

Noticed a post that seems duplicated in messages to me that leaves me skiddish.

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The vote is symbolic

@SlySly

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Just when I was convinced StarGazers was scum SlySly takes shit out of context.

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I think it is either StarGazers scum or SlySly+Infinity for future distancing. with Creature a toss up.

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That may be your opinion that the lynch is inevitable but then why aren't you buddy hunting?

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Yes because I don't see it.

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That is throwing shade not asking questions. Shade isn't hunting.

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Let me be clear here.

Someone in this game KNOWS exactly why I am being this cautious about the lynch. That someone can send me the first vowel of something in a message. I need to decide something now.

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And the last consonant for shits and giggles.

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However that is only if they want to.

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I await that message from that player. I am not acting til I get it. Two letter message.

I encourage others to send messages to cover it up while Firebringer is offline.

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Like just send a random two letter message don't care what unless you are that player.

@Firebringer sorry in advance for any spam this seems to cause but it has a point.

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Monkeys really?? There goes that plan :/

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Lol I wanted it to be two letters in case scum listening but now FB is on so it would be detectable at what time someone sent me a message immediately and I don't want an entire game of spam.

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MathBlade, let's just do the optimal play.

Still figuring that out. There are things I shouldn't share that impact things.

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The vote is symbolic

@SlySly

the 1990 quote is meaningless

No it's not, they're right. I wasn't trying to lynch mathblade, I voted them because they seemed like a very likely scumbuddy to stargazers at the time

Oh, forgive me. I thought we were discussing your "hammer" vote. I understand now that Math and you are talking about your vote on Math.

Why did you think my quote of Infinity's post about Infinity's vote of me was about anything else? You said Infinity's vote on me was bad. I proved that was out of context.

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Oh and happy scumday

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Dunnstral I have sent you a reply.

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If Stargazers is scum I think Dunnstral is scum with them.

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Everything can be used as a scum tactic

Mainly this post here it seems really cheeky almost sarcastic.

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The sad thing is I can't tell if you are being sarcastic :/

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The crickets be a chirping.

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PM fire is wrt what happens to the phone abilities when you block someone

I'm not sure I understand the question. We block someone's phone abilities (which includes items), they fail if they used any that phase. Just like role abilities.
-Nahdia

What are your reads?

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Nahdia what are your reads outside of Sly?

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MariaR may answer as well

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Why are both of you assuming three partners?

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PM fire is wrt what happens to the phone abilities when you block someone

I'm not sure I understand the question. We block someone's phone abilities (which includes items), they fail if they used any that phase. Just like role abilities.
-Nahdia

The question is how does phone block work. If you block the phone actions is it for night only? For night and following day? If it's not multiphase do you alternativey have the option to use it as a day action to block day phone stuff.

The answer is it doesn't matter what your answer is. There's a claimed guilty on you and you're being lynched. I'm sincerely sorry if you got boned by shenanigans but c'est la vie. You're allowed to be angry about it regardless of your alignment really but I'm not letting this lynch go any other way. We are just talking in the meantime. If you're town, talk a lot and push where you see fit. If you're Mafia you probably want to shut the fuck up period but I hope you talk a lot in holding out hope you wiggle out of this noose

I want to hear what mathblade has to say but yeah

MariaR may answer as well

Dunn Lane Math town
Infinity is town lane
Sly house slot are scum
Creature is ???
Rest I don't have a good enough read.

Yep we can lynch Stargazers.
They are likely scum and not taking messages into account.

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I think it is Stargazers Dunn Infinity

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I'll hammer Stargazers.

No. I don't trust you in the off case StarGazers is town. I will hammer once everyone is posted and we can use this time to wait on a House replacement.

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Anyone who hammers without a House replace or if Firebringer modkills the slot is scumclaiming as we more than 3 days left.

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Again there are more possibilities than that. I am not planning out lynches til more is understood.

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Stargazers looks likely to be scum but it is not confirmed only someone mentioned a guilty. This forces a narrowed investigation and at the same time gives places for people to hide. Bad SlySly.

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In what reality does someone claim a guilty and then your immediate reaction is "Willing to be lynched if it flips town?"
Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a shit about the actuality of this situation?

Regardless, this is mountains out of fucking molehills. I'd bet my bottom dollar that people using this as a means to scumread me are likely scum hoping to push a lynch because they don't know how the fuck I operate.

-V

No you aren't. I care significantly and it's why I've been asking questions. The most likely thing is Stargazers is scum. Their reads just don't make sense plus the claimed guilty from Creature.

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They're like Schrodinger's pages:
They may or may not be filled with total shit and I won't know for sure until I read 'em.
I just worry, y'know, that it'll just be more of the same.

@Math: Why hasn't there been a gazer lynch yet, then?
I saw some votes amassing, then some stalling about it.

I wanted to poke Creature because Creature was very much scum read and their play didn't make sense from a cop perspective in a last will game and I want House's replacement to be found. We have the time for the replacement whoever they are to catch up and use it. Speed lynching now means that there is a possibility we go into night without a replacement for the House slot and I believe the House slot is town. So it's protown to wait on the replacement.

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It's also why I asked the Stargazers slot about their reads. They didn't try to expand after I asked multiple times and they were in discord with what I sent. If anything and they believed they were being lynched like they thought they should be they'd be fighting more. Trying to get their reads out. Instead it seems almost "blah"

In short I like neither slot but both being scum would be insanity.

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Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

No. Horrible idea. A universal townread should hack it.
Creature could be lying scum in a fringe case.

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Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

No. Horrible idea. A universal townread should hack it.
Creature could be lying scum in a fringe case.

I think creature is the most likely to be town

Maybe lane could but

It doesn't matter since gazers will probably lie about it

Universal means all players townread.
I do not townread Creature. I think it is most likely but until I see a flip confirming his guilty he can still be a scumbag who lied. Would rather House slot or Lane slot or myself do this if we do.

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No. Going to work. Creature should wait because if they are town they are likely NK bait. Need someone who is townread and who would likely survive to take it if anyone does.

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@mod: Is there a time limit for House replace?

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@mod when would the House slot be modkilled due to lack of replace if ever?

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Someone unvote to give him and it time to read.

Looking at Stargazers would be good as they are the point of contention today.

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No time to post much but I am writing Aquarium a message.

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Infinity probably scum. Long day at work ahead.

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Consider me VLA a day early. The internet issues while I am in California could cause work issues at any point. Today is rough.

Google Dyn hack if you need more info.

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House did a really good job if they had left me alive would have pushed Creature because House fake claimed Mason. Overall well played but I wish I hadn't had fallen asleep N1 XD

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Yeah I read Stargazers as town and House as town so I claimed PR to them both :/

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What is worse is I almost governed Stargazers lynch XD