Open 656- Tit For Tat - Endgame

[Fire Assassin]

Yeah, no.
This can't be explained away as simply "VI"

[Fire Assassin]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7438864

Night and day between this one and here, granted this was long ago but still content wise she is giving way more thoughts and there's substance to it.

[Harkonnen97]

pushing for things to devolve to a deadline lunch is anti-town. people not voting NJAC nakes me more confident that he is scum.

[Fire Assassin]

Deadline might be extended with replacement.

mod will we get anymore time with new player filling in slot close to deadline?

alban has agreed to play until the end of the day

If not I would vote NJAC, but texcat is far superior

[Fire Assassin]

I guess I am voting NJAC.
in spirit.

Consider my vote moving there.

[Harkonnen97]

pls vote the biggest wagon

the game is going nowhere atm

[Fire Assassin]

You can wait.

[Harkonnen97]

if we wait too much we risk not having enough time to switch.

[The_Jester]

persephone325 has been prodded again.

[The_Jester]

MiniDeathStar replaces alban.

[Harkonnen97]

hi mini deadline is coming soon

[MiniDeathStar]

Hey guys, I just replaced alban. Nice to meet you all! I've been following the game closely before replacing and for now I can say I'm kind of uncomfortable with the NJAC wagon. It happened way too quick and the reasons given were super flimsy. I honestly think he's noose bait. There are more important lynches I want to see happening.

I had a very strong scum case on Gamma Emerald when I first started following the game. This hasn't changed much. All I see is a lot of sheeping and his FOSes change like the hand wipes. Post 364 is where the real scum vibes surfaced. All those tells, especially the sanity one, just feel manufactured. "You're scum because uhhh oh yeah, that figure of speech there." I seriously don't like this guy.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I'll let you know my thoughts on others soon.

[Harkonnen97]

Gamma is a VI too btw

im just saying because i have no idea how to read players like that.

[MiniDeathStar]

I think NJAC is the VI. I think scum plays a lot more carefully than he does.

Farside and Gamma instantly sheeped NJAC as soon as you Harkonnen said that. What did Gamma say? "this. this. this." More manufactured tells.

I'm not sure what farside is. She reads somewhat town, but she's very experienced so I don't know. I liked her initially for pushing on Gamma but then she dropped the vote and went on NJAC. Just like that. He wasn't even one of her scum reads. She could have been bussing Gamma for all I know.

Yuria, Kop and Harkonnen feel town for now.

I think Fire Assassin feels town, too.

Unsure on FancyPants, but if Gamma is scum, I doubt Fancy is scum.

Not a lot on eagersnake or persephone. Eager is the more suspicious of the two.

Texcat looks scummy. But the fact everyone else think she is scummy makes me doubt that read somewhat. Then again, why are so few people voting her?

NJAC is most likely a VI.

[MiniDeathStar]

Oh forgot to add, if NJAC does indeed get lunched today and turns out to be town, the scum-meter on farside and Gamma grows exponentially. Just putting that out there.

[FancyPants]

I think we're owed a bit from NJAC, he did say he doesn't post much on weekends which is fair because neither do I.

@NJAC, will you give us your reads considering you look like a likely lynch candidate at this point?
Also why do you believe their are scum on your wagon?

[FancyPants]

Oh forgot to add, if NJAC does indeed get lunched today and turns out to be town, the scum-meter on farside and Gamma grows exponentially. Just putting that out there.

Why?

[MiniDeathStar]

Because he's an easy lynch and they are the ones who made it happen. Harkonnen drove the wagon, but they are the ones who gave it momentum. Also they never had strong suspicions on him, they only hopped on the lynch once a universal town read invited people to do it. I guess they thought they can try to shift the blame onto Hark tomorrow, and claim how scummy NJAC was and how they were all doing us a favour.

(Again, this is only if NJAC is town. If he's scum, then I don't know.)

[FancyPants]

Because he's an easy lynch and they are the ones who made it happen. Harkonnen drove the wagon, but they are the ones who gave it momentum. Also they never had strong suspicions on him, they only hopped on the lynch once a universal town read invited people to do it. I guess they thought they can try to shift the blame onto Hark tomorrow, and claim how scummy NJAC was and how they were all doing us a favour.

(Again, this is only if NJAC is town. If he's scum, then I don't know.)

Maybe. Town could just have been wrong in that scenario though. I would be more interested in the people who "knew" the NJAC wagon was a bad one, he hasn't done anything that screams town in my estimation.

@Eager, I would appreciate it if you felt like explaining your Kop vote.
Additionally do you have a few likely scum reads, other than Kop?

@Persephone, if you were absolutely forced to kill someone this second, who would it be and why?

[MiniDeathStar]

Maybe. Town could just have been wrong in that scenario though. I would be more interested in the people who "knew" the NJAC wagon was a bad one, he hasn't done anything that screams town in my estimation.

Who are these people other than me? Alban (whom I replaced) suspected NJAC, too. Like, everyone is saying NJAC is scummy but somehow can't quite put their finger on it. His reads are weak. So are Gamma's and Eager's reads. Where are their wagons? He hasn't said a whole lot. Neither has eager. Where's that wagon?

NJAC didn't panic with the sudden lynch on him. I think that's a town reaction. I agree his reads are weak, but it feels like he's relying more on intuition and can't quite express himself in words. He doesn't nitpick the way Gamma does.

I also think it's very scumvenient that NJAC's wagon appeared this close to the deadline when it would be too late to derail it. I feel like if NJAC was scum, his partners wouldn't have allowed that to happen. They would have steered it towards some other lurker. Who gains anything by bussing NJAC right now? I don't think anybody does.

@Eager, I would appreciate it if you felt like explaining your Kop vote.
Additionally do you have a few likely scum reads, other than Kop?

@Persephone, if you were absolutely forced to kill someone this second, who would it be and why?

These are good questions. I like FancyPants.

[farside22]

I think NJAC is the VI. I think scum plays a lot more carefully than he does.

Farside and Gamma instantly sheeped NJAC as soon as you Harkonnen said that. What did Gamma say? "this. this. this." More manufactured tells.

I'm not sure what farside is. She reads somewhat town, but she's very experienced so I don't know. I liked her initially for pushing on Gamma but then she dropped the vote and went on NJAC. Just like that. He wasn't even one of her scum reads. She could have been bussing Gamma for all I know.

Yuria, Kop and Harkonnen feel town for now.

I think Fire Assassin feels town, too.

Unsure on FancyPants, but if Gamma is scum, I doubt Fancy is scum.

Not a lot on eagersnake or persephone. Eager is the more suspicious of the two.

Texcat looks scummy. But the fact everyone else think she is scummy makes me doubt that read somewhat. Then again, why are so few people voting her?

NJAC is most likely a VI.

I have NJAC on my scum list at the end of my post.

His game here as I said is nothing like are last game together.
He's more lurky, only one scum read, nothing else of value here.

I don't disagree with Gamma, he completely in gores my question plus you have the hark scum read to sheeping hark.

Yes I think they are scum together.
Look how little Gamma has tried to push that scum read.

[farside22]

Because he's an easy lynch and they are the ones who made it happen. Harkonnen drove the wagon, but they are the ones who gave it momentum. Also they never had strong suspicions on him, they only hopped on the lynch once a universal town read invited people to do it. I guess they thought they can try to shift the blame onto Hark tomorrow, and claim how scummy NJAC was and how they were all doing us a favour.

(Again, this is only if NJAC is town. If he's scum, then I don't know.)

Maybe. Town could just have been wrong in that scenario though. I would be more interested in the people who "knew" the NJAC wagon was a bad one, he hasn't done anything that screams town in my estimation.

Who are these people other than me? Alban (whom I replaced) suspected NJAC, too. Like, everyone is saying NJAC is scummy but somehow can't quite put their finger on it. His reads are weak. So are Gamma's and Eager's reads. Where are their wagons? He hasn't said a whole lot. Neither has eager. Where's that wagon?

NJAC didn't panic with the sudden lynch on him. I think that's a town reaction. I agree his reads are weak, but it feels like he's relying more on intuition and can't quite express himself in words. He doesn't nitpick the way Gamma does.

I also think it's very scumvenient that NJAC's wagon appeared this close to the deadline when it would be too late to derail it. I feel like if NJAC was scum, his partners wouldn't have allowed that to happen. They would have steered it towards some other lurker. Who gains anything by bussing NJAC right now? I don't think anybody does.

@Eager, I would appreciate it if you felt like explaining your Kop vote.
Additionally do you have a few likely scum reads, other than Kop?

@Persephone, if you were absolutely forced to kill someone this second, who would it be and why?

These are good questions. I like FancyPants.

Are you blantenly ignoring my post?
NJAC just said he was busy that means nothing.

Here was the recent game were he fought when he was wagoned.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Tell me why he's town?

[MiniDeathStar]

Actually I really didn't see your last post. I'm sorry about that. I thought before you voted him you were saying he plays scummy when he is town, which is why I was very baffled at you sheeping that wagon.

If you think Gamma is scum with NJAC, why is Gamma bussing NJAC right now? Like, what does he gain from that? Even if NJAC flips scum, I wouldn't give Gamma *any* towncredit for it.

I said NJAC was town because I think he just isn't very good at putting his thoughts into words and is trying to rely more on intuition for his reads. He isn't nitpicking or changing his FOS at first convenience. Then again, I hadn't seen his previous game until now. I have to note he *is* playing a little different this time. I just don't know if it's enough to make me want to vote him over Gamma.

[MiniDeathStar]

Also I'd like to mention that the strongest reason I think NJAC is town is that his wagon literally materialised out of thin air right as the deadline was looming and nobody feels like stopping that wagon. It just makes me think NJAC is bait. He's both an easy mislynch and we'd gain very little new information from him if he flips town.

[The_Jester]

Mine