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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:57 pm

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Spring, spring has come!
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Post Post #6 (isolation #1) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:05 pm

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Hit me baby one more time
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Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:15 pm

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Ok Fire you're town. Only 7 people to sort out left, neat!
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Post Post #10 (isolation #3) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:37 pm

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Yup it's definitely a scum trust tell, you got me
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Post Post #13 (isolation #4) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:42 pm

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Well Fire I'd love to spam the shit out of it but I gotta go to work so maybe it'll be wiser to wait for others and let them post
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Post Post #14 (isolation #5) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:43 pm

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In post 12, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: JESTER

I HAVE A GUILTY
ON UR MUM
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Post Post #16 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:50 pm

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In post 0, mhsmith0 wrote:
Forest Fire
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Welcome to Micro 655: Forest Fire!

Your moderator is mhsmith0.

Playerlist:
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  2. TierShift
  3. The_Jester
  4. MariaR
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  6. Flubbernugget
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  7. Fire Assassin
  8. ReubenWasFine
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Spoiler: Spectators
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Spoiler: Event History


Spoiler: PT Links - to be released post-game
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  2. Dead PT
  3. Mod PT
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Post Post #17 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:51 pm

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Wtf was that quote
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Post Post #21 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:11 am

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Well since it's still quiet, I'll continue my scumposting
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Post Post #23 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:22 am

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Choo choo
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Post Post #26 (isolation #10) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:37 am

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Hey guys wanna hear a joke
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Post Post #28 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:42 am

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Ok there's a riddle for you: What type of tree fits in your hand?
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Post Post #30 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:44 am

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No.

A palm tree!

<pre-recorded laughter>
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Post Post #32 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:52 am

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Right? I got more but I'm gonna leaf them for when I need to buddy you some more
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Post Post #34 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:03 am

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I'm polishing my comedy skills
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at work. Talk about effectiveness.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:08 pm

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Who said you gotta act all emo when playing mafia
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Post Post #51 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:48 pm

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In post 40, Fire Assassin wrote:Okay now, lets do serious wagon:
VOTE: BBMolla

Lets kick us out of RVS.
How is random voting kicking us outta rvs?
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Post Post #52 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:56 pm

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In post 48, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 46, Vifam wrote:
In post 43, Fire Assassin wrote:Do you not know what serious is?
Like do I actually have to vote for who I think is scum now cuz I still don't know and I dont wanna be pressured
hmmmm....
I think Vifam is town here.
He's town cause you think he's honest?
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Post Post #53 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:57 pm

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In post 50, ReubenWasFine wrote:It's about time that I've claimed.

I can't be stumped. If you vote to lynch me, I'll become President of the United States.

VOTE: Flubbernugget most likely to be a cuck.
VOTE: Reuben scumclaim wrapped as a joke to point at it at the end of the game and laugh at us
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Post Post #55 (isolation #19) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:27 am

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Thank you for your valuable input
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Post Post #59 (isolation #20) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:44 am

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VOTE: Maria edgy
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Post Post #63 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:50 am

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Respond to my questions
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Post Post #65 (isolation #22) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:51 am

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No it's not
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Post Post #70 (isolation #23) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:28 am

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In post 66, MariaR wrote:It better not be with only 3 pages and nothing vote worthy yet
I'll power lynch any of you.
I think there's plenty of noteworthy stuff already.
Why would you want to power lynch people who try to create wagons? Is your mindset being a sheep with no intention to try to solve the game yourself?
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Post Post #72 (isolation #24) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:32 am

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We're nowhere near lynching anybody atm. Why are you so concerned?
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Post Post #79 (isolation #25) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:00 am

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In post 71, MariaR wrote:
I'd honestly rather lynch town 12 pages in then scum 3 pages in
Would you want us to lynch town 12 pages in than scum on a current page this game?
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Post Post #87 (isolation #26) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:55 am

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In post 67, Fire Assassin wrote:
Spoiler: quotes
In post 51, The_Jester wrote:
In post 40, Fire Assassin wrote:Okay now, lets do serious wagon:
VOTE: BBMolla

Lets kick us out of RVS.
How is random voting kicking us outta rvs?
In post 52, The_Jester wrote:
In post 48, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 46, Vifam wrote:
In post 43, Fire Assassin wrote:Do you not know what serious is?
Like do I actually have to vote for who I think is scum now cuz I still don't know and I dont wanna be pressured
hmmmm....
I think Vifam is town here.
He's town cause you think he's honest?


1) It gets a reaction so that we can proceed. You gave me nothing I could concrete read and I didn't think you would. So I thought it was time to switch gears.
So what did BB's reaction tell you?
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Post Post #120 (isolation #27) » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:57 pm

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In post 89, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 87, The_Jester wrote:
In post 67, Fire Assassin wrote:
Spoiler: quotes
In post 51, The_Jester wrote:
In post 40, Fire Assassin wrote:Okay now, lets do serious wagon:
VOTE: BBMolla

Lets kick us out of RVS.
How is random voting kicking us outta rvs?
In post 52, The_Jester wrote:
In post 48, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 46, Vifam wrote:
In post 43, Fire Assassin wrote:Do you not know what serious is?
Like do I actually have to vote for who I think is scum now cuz I still don't know and I dont wanna be pressured
hmmmm....
I think Vifam is town here.
He's town cause you think he's honest?


1) It gets a reaction so that we can proceed. You gave me nothing I could concrete read and I didn't think you would. So I thought it was time to switch gears.
So what did BB's reaction tell you?
Nothing so far.
So if you had to "switch gears" again, who'd be your target?
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In post 93, SmoothBlue wrote:
In post 73, MariaR wrote:Is there a problem being concerned?
Yes, why would town ever be concerned? Only scum would right.

PS, town will be trees, scum will be arsesholes (arsonists) within my posts. Deals on deals.
You're out right wrong but okay.
I think he was being sarcastic
In post 102, Vifam wrote:BBMolla might actually be scum here too
You could say that about everyone. What makes you suspicious of him? Lack of content expected from a seasoned player or refusing to justify his vote or something else?
In post 117, MariaR wrote:(On a srs note what do you think scums main gameplan would be in this hold off on igniting until they can win or do it slowly like 2 or 3 at a time
Scumpost. Looking for tips?
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Post Post #123 (isolation #28) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:01 am

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What are you talking about? My Maria vote is serious. In post 65 I was referring to Fire's vote on BB.
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Post Post #125 (isolation #29) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:19 am

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Fire, why is your vote still on Molla anyway since you admitted it was just a bare pressure vote that didn't bring any effects?
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Post Post #126 (isolation #30) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:36 am

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Also Fire pls explain why you scumread Tier
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Post Post #128 (isolation #31) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:41 am

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^scumpost
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Post Post #129 (isolation #32) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:44 am

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What do you think of the Fire wagon? We know you think Fire's vote on Molla was trash so what stops you from voting him? Apart from trying to look casual.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #33) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:50 am

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I'm trying to establish whether my assesment of you is correct. You don't help by not responding. Please just answer the question.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #34) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:21 am

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Maria, are you going to wait until page 12 until you care to share reads too?
Without voting, what's your stance on Fire?
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Post Post #136 (isolation #35) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:35 am

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Alright.
Molla, which vote on Fire is the shittiest?
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Post Post #144 (isolation #36) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:34 pm

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In post 138, BBmolla wrote:still don't like jester. his play is super inconsistent.

Better get used to this, that's my playstyle.
Are you gonna answer my question or will you ignore it to show superiority?
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Post Post #146 (isolation #37) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:45 pm

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I'm starting to think my issue with Maria also is more playstyle based rather than caused by her actual scumminess so I'm gonna take a step back and decide on her when I see more content.

VOTE: Flubber

Feel like his scumhunting's only superficial and isn't really analysing the game. Usually happens when somebody already knows other people's alignments. Also I strongly dislike his jump on the Fire wagon (wanted Molla to help me judge it but he refused to comply, bummer).

Edit: ninja'd

I think Fire's pretty likely to be scum this game, his town meta is different, at least as experienced by me. But we gotta keep in mind this is an alt account. I don't wanna jump on his wagon just yet.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #38) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:53 pm

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Well, him not being here to clear up the air doesn't help. But I do think it's possible his partner's among people who scumread him, if he indeed turns out to be mafia.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #39) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:57 pm

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Great, together we got a 100% chance to find scum
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Post Post #151 (isolation #40) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:58 pm

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I'll go over Reuben's post in a sec.
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Post Post #153 (isolation #41) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:21 pm

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Well yeah but his posting's been bad. You yourself said you'd be voting him if not for your weird not voting policy.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #42) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:06 pm

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In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:vifam #46 doesn't want to vote because they don't know who the scum are. mention that they don't want to be pressured as a result. seems like they care too much about what people think of them. very passive.
I thought he was joking.
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote: tiershift #56 cites fire/48 as a reason to wagon him. i think vifam/46 is still worse because it's a lot like what careyhammer was doing in micro 634. fire's analogue in that game, accountant townread vifam's (scum) analogue in that game for a similar post.
I mean, it's fine to keep in mind previous experiences but I don't think you can just copy paste specific actions from one game into another.
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:maria 64-66 "is molla a srs vote?" (jester/65 "no it's not) "it better not be with 3 pages... i'll power lynch any of you" she's trying REALLY hard to kill the BB wagon.


Hmm I'm not really sure Maria's stance's tied to Molla individually but I guess it's worth noting.
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote: fire #67 seems to try really hard to justify switching from his first vote of the game onto BBmolla. really hate that. really hate his point #2, as well.
Yeah I think he's way too insecure for town Fire.
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:fire #75 thinks maria isn't being genuine with how concerned she is about the wagons. i don't think they are viable teammates
Not for the moment, no.
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:maria #77 gets super defensive to fire's #75
Nah it rather looked like she tried to look casual.
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:fire #91 says him trying to get us out of RVS is a nontell. i disagree. all behavior makes sense in context. the context is the tell.
So what did him trying to get out of RVS quickly tell you exactly?
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:fire #104 asks if flubber is being serious. seemed serious to me.
Actually Fire had a good point imo.
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:fire #108 !!!!! says that vifam softed fire fighter (??? post 46/"i don't know who is scum still i don't want to be pressured"/paraphrase ??) fire is reading WAY too far into this comment and it conflicts greatly with my original read of #46 to the point that it concerns me that he is looking for PR. his early townread of vifam proves he was trying to find him as PR from the beginning of the game (fire/48). I HATE THIS.
Yeah wtf was that. I didn't wanna bring it up in order to observe NKs so I can retract later on but now that you've pointed it out- yeah, terrible stuff.

In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:fire #112 he just doesn't stop


He doesn't stop what? I thought his scumread on Tier was interesting, still waiting for Fire to explain that.
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:really hate how vifam tried cockblocking bbmolla's read earlier
Why are you angry with Vifam defending your top townread?
In post 145, ReubenWasFine wrote:then came back 6 minutes later to joke about it. (#84-86)
Maybe he just ISO'd me to see what could be the reason for Molla's suspicions?
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scum { fire assassin }
scum lean { tiershift, vifam, flubbernugget }
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town { maria, jester }
I'm confused why you're scumleaning on Tier. Elaborate?
Do you have previous experience with Molla?
And why do you townread Maria when you poined out she's been acting weird? Is it solely based on your assumption of her not being scum with Fire?
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Post Post #161 (isolation #43) » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:04 am

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Dunno, I don't have problems with Vifam apart from his trying-to-be-ballsy-yet-retracting-moments-later-to-avoid-heat entrance. Could be insecure scum but I may be reading too much into it.
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Post Post #179 (isolation #44) » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:32 pm

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@Tier @Flubber you don't need a gimmick to change the little things in your playstyle
In post 15, Fire Assassin wrote:I don't really want to shit post on here.
Not the purpose of this account.
I intend to take this into consideration, you do as you want
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Post Post #180 (isolation #45) » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:37 pm

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^I meant @Vifam @Flubber obviously
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Post Post #181 (isolation #46) » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:43 pm

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In post 177, Vifam wrote:

Reuben's earlier stuff about me is shitty he's also scum and a good lynch
Ok so that's it? The scumteam's Fire and Reuben, the first two people who stood out? Seems a bit too easy, doesn't it?
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Post Post #190 (isolation #47) » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:05 am

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I don't think Molla's a good lynch atm.
What makes you scumread him?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #48) » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:17 am

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To me it just looks like he doesn't have time to play. We'll see.
I townread you tho.
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Post Post #194 (isolation #49) » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:21 am

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I'm not sold on it plus I'm not a fan of Flubber. And Tier's been missing for a long time.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #50) » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:12 am

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*Jester will remember this
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Post Post #202 (isolation #51) » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:19 am

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Molla I've never said I'm gonna troll. I think you're very full of yourself if you think your push with no real meaning behind it influenced me in any way.
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Post Post #206 (isolation #52) » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:34 am

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In post 204, BBmolla wrote:Arguing "I wouldn't be scared of you" isn't a great argument for you being town
What? I'm not making an argument for me being town. You're making an argument for me saying I planned to troll this game so please show me the exact quote and then also explain how me trying to play the game when everyone's quiet or not here makes me scummy.
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Post Post #207 (isolation #53) » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:54 am

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Since you haven't responded yet, how is this not contradictory?
In post 138, BBmolla wrote:still don't like jester. his play is super inconsistent.
In post 200, BBmolla wrote:he seems way too calculated
Cause to me it seems like the only calculated person here is you, choosing a person to tunnel from the very beginning to have an excuse after an eventual mislynch somewhere later into the game
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Post Post #226 (isolation #54) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:01 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #252 (isolation #55) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:29 pm

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Fire why are you whiteknighting me so hard?
As to Reuben, his last post seems very similar to what I did in my very first mafia game where I played as scum and kept on making these elaborate teories made out of thin air. Like dunno maybe his intent is right but this is a pretty bad way to express it.
@Reuben could you link me your scum games?
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Post Post #262 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:46 am

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I always have trouble reading him. Not gonna lynch him today unless something drastic happens.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:40 am

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Well tbh I don't wanna lynch neither of you 3 atm so I'm ok with that
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Post Post #275 (isolation #58) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:17 am

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I don't necessarily agree with this
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Post Post #277 (isolation #59) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:10 am

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In post 274, Vifam wrote:if you had her as your top scumread at first you would have felt you had enough info
With saying that you should only push people when you have evidence they may be scum or whatever. I think observing reactions is way more interesting and that's what Fire did with Maria.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #60) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:11 pm

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Ok so that's the big reveal?
Please tell me what issue you have with me and I'll tell you why you're wrong, in the morning. Night
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Post Post #291 (isolation #61) » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:33 pm

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Gotta agree with Vifam's 289. I don't think it's inherently scummy though.
Reuben do you have mafia experience offsite?
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Post Post #297 (isolation #62) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:48 am

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Molla you alive?
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Post Post #298 (isolation #63) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:29 am

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So I was rereading the game and turns out there's a guy called SmoothBlue playing although I don't recall seeing him.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #64) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:46 am

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Ok back to this VOTE: Flubber
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Post Post #309 (isolation #65) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:53 pm

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Flubber's at L-1 btw, mod didn't take my vote into account
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Post Post #314 (isolation #66) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:24 am

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Not me
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Post Post #315 (isolation #67) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:26 am

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So you voted Flub for pressure and when his wagon gained traction, you wanna hop off before Flub even reacted? What kind of scumhunting is this?
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Post Post #316 (isolation #68) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:28 am

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Fuck that

VOTE: Tier
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Post Post #319 (isolation #69) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:34 am

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Yeah but what's the use now
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Post Post #325 (isolation #70) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:45 pm

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Wtf are you even saying
I don't expect him to play like me
I've only noticed similarities between newbscum me and him
Don't bend my words
I'm lynching between Tier and Flubber today.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #71) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:56 pm

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I'm not sold on Reuben. Like he may be scum but I need more time to judge whether it's his playstyle or real scumminess
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Post Post #346 (isolation #72) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:18 am

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Tier please
I get what you're saying but please stop this wifom shit
I don't think Maria's vote was bad too
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Post Post #347 (isolation #73) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:23 am

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Her unvote though...
Maria what between posts 324-337 changed your mind about Flubber when you've literally said just before he's done nothing to change your mind? I take it must've been outside influence so did you just sheep Vifam who said the wagon was shit?
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Post Post #352 (isolation #74) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:52 am

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Yeah but you said he did nothing to change your mind, implying you had a reason. Now you're saying there was no real meaning behind the vote. Which is it?
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Post Post #355 (isolation #75) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:01 am

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Alright. You're town.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #76) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:58 pm

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I don't even know anymore UNVOTE:
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Post Post #366 (isolation #77) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:32 am

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I feel Maria's being honest but I really hope she steps it up D1.
Don't think I wanna lynch Reuben today, it seems like lynchbait. I may not like his theories and not agree with everything he says but imo he's genuinely trying to scumhunt in his own way. Gonna go over his posts again later.
Gonna try to sort Fire too. I'm always having trouble reading him and although I've defended him, I'm starting to doubt myself more and more. Town Fire's way more decisive and shows initiative.
I still like Vifam for town and Tier too, liked his response to his wagon.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #78) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:30 am

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In post 368, Fire Assassin wrote:
I am the fire fighter.
I claimed someone else was fire fighter so scum wouldn't think it was me.
Nobody was townreading you at that point
In post 368, Fire Assassin wrote:
Also to protect vifam because I bought he was town, but given his reasoning all day on me being scum, not sure on that.
So to protect Vifam you pointed out he allegedly soft-claimed a pr? Are you even trying?

Also can you enlighten me what sense it would make to counter-claim a pr Day1 for scum?

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Post Post #399 (isolation #79) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:40 am

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So I've gone through Fire's interactions with everybody and I think we're on a good way to win here

Unlikely to be Fire's partner:

Maria
Conftown

Vifam
Has been my strong townread throughout the game and haven't noticed anything suspicious

Flubber
I think I've been misjudging him this game. Re-reading his ISO with Fire's flip in mind makes me feel better about him. He's also been on Fire the whole time while he could've switched to an easy wagon (Reuben) at any given point. Instead, he said he townread him.

Molla
Not a huge fan of his play here but there are few things that make me think he's not aligned with Fire:
1. One specific interaction: Fire's #183. Fire misinterpreted Molla's post, thinking it was aimed at him, whereas it was addressed to Vifam. He saw his nick being mentioned and instinctively reacted with defense. It's exactly what happened to me in LoL mafia, when I misinterpreted Shaziro's intentions (he farm-voted me, I thought it was a regular vote and I panicked and voted him back). The thing is, if Molla was his partner, Fire wouldn't have reacted this rapidly.
2. The fact an experienced player like him would prolly try to take control of the gameflow.
3. It doesn't look like there was communication between them outside the game thread. Even if you take a look at the very beginning at that stuff of Molla sharing his life story: if he was scum, he prolly would've just shared this with Fire in a pt. And it looked like Fire was trying to pocket him by looking compassionate.

I know it may be reaching but I trust my gut. I don't see any hidden agenda in his play.

May be scum:

SmoothBlue/HowardRoark

I mean, it's a possibility.

Tier
Tough one. I was leaning town on him, then I kinda disliked his move on Flubber so I've overblown it to see his reaction which I liked I think. Has been on Fire's ass and the other way around. Could be distancing but I really doubt Fire would dare to give him to us on a silver platter like that when he knew he was gonna get lynched. But again that's heavy wifom territory, especially considering that along the way, Tier has lost his drive on Fire and tried to derail the wagon by calling Flubber's vote weak, only to jump back later on. Plus his push on Maria was pretty shit. Anybody wanna help me sort this slot out?

Reuben

It's like a coin toss for me. On one hand I dislike his overblown theories and useless what-happened-in-each-post lists, on the other hand he wanted to lynch Fire all along and was the fuse that lit that last minute wagon that's been shortly stopped by Fire's claim. I'd like to point out though that after Reuben's unvote, he came back to vote Fire only after he's already been hammered. Giving a pretty shit explanation no less.

So it's prolly between Tier and Reuben today for me. I'd like to see everyone's input before I decide.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #80) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:50 pm

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What changed your mind on Tier?
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Post Post #428 (isolation #81) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:14 am

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Tbh I didn't expect Fire to get caught like that and I'm still mad at him. I hoped he wasn't scum and I didn't like how quickly his wagon formed.
If you wanna lynch me over this then actually try instead of whispering into people's ears.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #82) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:25 am

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No time to read the game. V/LA until Monday when I finally have a day off
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Post Post #472 (isolation #83) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:34 am

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At this point you'd be doing me a favor cause I've been doubting my mafia skills !ately more and more.
So both Tier and Reuben seem to be coming from the same mindset and since there's only 1 scum left, right now I'm gonna assume they're both town.
Since Maria/Vifam/Molla are town in my book and I didn't like Flubber's jump on my wagon, that leaves him and Roark. Re-reading.
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Post Post #477 (isolation #84) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:54 am

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Like, when I become a ghost and return from the grave?
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Post Post #490 (isolation #85) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:48 pm

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I totally forgot about being able to talk after dying :P In that case feel free to lynch me if it makes you feel better since we can afford a mislynch or two. I don't agree that being undecisive about a player is scummy.
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Post Post #494 (isolation #86) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:45 am

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That would be too easy. But I'd like to know his updated reads since I only know he scumreads Roark cause of some shit his predecessor said and also scumleans on Tier for whatever reason and townreads Vifam and Flubber. But some of this was a while ago.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #87) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:48 am

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Well I was disappointed by how easily we caught Fire, so if we lynched Molla right now and he flipped scum, I'd be very unsatisfied.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #88) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:08 am

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I'm not scumreading him currently
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Post Post #500 (isolation #89) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:01 pm

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No idea
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Post Post #513 (isolation #90) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:08 pm

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You guys are misinterpreting everything.
I don't know where your ego came from Reuben but you're not that great of a player, sorry. I'm tired of your fantasy theories about everything.

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Post Post #515 (isolation #91) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:51 pm

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I don't like his vote on me while throwing shade on Molla after admitting his previous vote on him was bullshit.
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Post Post #520 (isolation #92) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:40 am

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Him acting like I'm conf scum is
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Post Post #521 (isolation #93) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:09 am

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Do you think his mindset's town or scum like?
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Post Post #532 (isolation #94) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:52 am

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I can definitely see town motivation behind his posts
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Post Post #534 (isolation #95) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:22 am

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Before somebody hammers, I'd like everyone to post your main issues with me in a compact format so I can refute cause I honestly don't have the time right now to read things. Or don't, I'm fine with getting lynched so I can remind you how wrong you were over and over again, until the end of the game. <evil laugh>
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Post Post #545 (isolation #96) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:17 am

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Roark posts quoted by you are pretty self-explanatory and I don't see any contradictions in my logic.
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Post Post #557 (isolation #97) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:59 pm

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VOTE: Roark since it's me or him apparently
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Post Post #559 (isolation #98) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:12 am

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Whatever :P Doesn't look like people are likely to change their mind anyway
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Post Post #570 (isolation #99) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:33 pm

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I'm busy irl and I don't have time to analyse things properly. What can I say? Sorry for that but that's the way it is. And it's not only this game. If you feel you'll keep on being paranoid about me then just lynch me and I'll try to help out along the way anyway. I just feel it's a waste and I haven't really done anything to justify a lynch.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #100) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:37 am

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Everyone else's apparently unlynchable atm.
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Post Post #579 (isolation #101) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:54 pm

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If Roark flips town I'm prolly gonna suspect Molla and the other way around. I mean, not many possibilities here. Maria, Vifam and Reuben are solid town, Tier and Flubber may be town based on their reactions and they're not getting lynched anyway cause I tried that. Haven't cracked Roark yet cause his still "new" and I need time to judge whether he's genuine town or eager scum cause I base my reads mostly on determining one's mindset. Molla... well I said it's unlikely for him to be scum but given his low activity and lackluster (careful?) approach it could go both ways. I'll try to make up my mind later today.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #102) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:54 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #582 (isolation #103) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:23 am

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I hoped you'd at least wait until I finish my shift :/
Well played town, you got me. I had no idea how to weasel myself out of it. Gotta work on my scumgame.
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Post Post #588 (isolation #104) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:42 am

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Post Post #589 (isolation #105) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:43 am

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In post 587, mhsmith0 wrote:No one died in the night
False. I died inside.

VOTE: mhsmith0

What did you say about me not being able to vote?
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Post Post #610 (isolation #106) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:20 am

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Well this is fucking depressing
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Post Post #629 (isolation #107) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:49 am

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Posting so I don't get replaced
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Post Post #631 (isolation #108) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:15 am

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Maria, can you use your night ability on yourself?
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Post Post #633 (isolation #109) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:23 am

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Rip
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Post Post #634 (isolation #110) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:50 am

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The way I see it just lynch anybody who's not Maria, Reuben and maybe Vifam, order doesn't matter.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #111) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:05 pm

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I'm fine with this.
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Post Post #662 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:30 pm

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I'm pretty sure arsonists don't know whether they succeeded.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #113) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:47 pm

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The only thing that bothers me about Howard is why did he choose Vifam, the strongest tr at the time, as his target? Maybe he thought his interactions with Fire were enough, as outlined in his catch-up post.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #114) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:29 pm

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It's not? What exactly do you wanna say here?
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Post Post #674 (isolation #115) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:24 am

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In post 672, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 649, MariaR wrote:I'M CLEAR YOU ASS
what

MARIA'S CLEAR YOU ASS
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Post Post #693 (isolation #116) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:45 pm

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Tbh these mislynches started to make me think scum's in my townpool and since I'm sure it's neither Maria nor Reuben, it may just be Vifam. I started being suspicious of him after his ugly jump on my wagon after supposedly hard townreading me whole game. I said that thing about being able to afford few mislynches to see who catches on and Vifam did. And in fact we can't afford them anymore cause if scum successfully ignited every night and we mislynch now, it's pretty much over.
I'll reread stuff since I finally have a day off.
@Reuben I didn't mean to offend you, I just don't like that style of posting which you presented at the beginning. But you've evolved greatly since then for which I applaud you.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #117) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:03 pm

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Like, the only other person I'm not so sure of is Flub but people seem to townread him. I've been hesitant about Tier but I got mostly townvibes from him and his replacement pretty much settled it. I've been saying whole game I don't think it's Molla and I'm staying by it. You can blame me if I turn out to be wrong but I don't think I will.
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Post Post #710 (isolation #118) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:29 pm

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So I've read the thread like 20 times and my head hurts. At first I thought scum not being able to kill instantly is a disadvantage for him but in the current situation it's only beneficial cause he just leaves everyone alive until the very end for wifom and blends in.
Honestly everyone here has some good posts and some which are absolutely ugly. I think lynching Fire D1 may actually turn out to be a curse cause I'd really use some more interactions to PoE.
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Post Post #713 (isolation #119) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:21 pm

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Maria and Reuben are town yeah but I'm not totally sure of you Cloud after re-reading tbh.
Tier had a lot of ugly flip-flopping, like this bit:
In post 470, TierShift wrote:Okay

VOTE: the jester
In post 471, TierShift wrote:Gotta trust in my own reads more

Let's do the perfect win thingie
Saying he needs to trust his reads while sheeping Reuben just seems so hypocritical. And that awkward comment about perfect win seems so off.

Then he sheeps Molla who said my lynch sucked
In post 546, TierShift wrote:VOTE: ROARK

#beingindecisive
Again with an awkward justification.

And finally
In post 581, TierShift wrote:VOTE: jester

I'm done with this day
Votes me again after Vifam states we can afford a ml.

I'm still hesitant if this was opportunistic scum or whether he just doesn't have a spine.

I'm also not sure if I believe your "genuine reads" in your catch-up post cause you spent a lot of time saying you townread people who were already confirmed town. Yeah, you said you "didn't see" but what proof do I have? For scum it's much easier to talk about townreads than scumreads.

Not liking this post either
In post 668, CloudKicker wrote:@ jester, i dont know, i dont actually expect him to flip mafia from the deep of my heart, i just seriously believe that hes the best lynch atm and that its really really fine to use mls like that when you lynched mafia d1
But let's say I believe you're town. I think Vifam deserves the noose even more for his jumps on both me and Howard:

He's spent all game saying I'm town, even right before the lynch:
In post 537, Vifam wrote:Jester is still town to me Im not sold on the case
Then he goes back to Molla whom he's been tunnelling whole game
In post 539, Vifam wrote:Nah honestly nvm

BB is the best lynch for today

VOTE: BBMolla
And then he abandons his strongest scumread to lynch his STRONGEST FUCKING TOWNREAD
In post 554, Vifam wrote:Honestly we can afford the mislynch Im sick of this

VOTE: TheJester
But that didn't stop him of doing literally the same shit again:

Randomly votes Tier:
In post 638, Vifam wrote:VOTE: TierShift
Only to come back to his supposed lead sr:
In post 678, Vifam wrote:Honestly Id feeel sooooooooooo much more comfortable if we did this


VOTE: BBMolla
And he jumps on Howard only hours later, just like he did with me:
In post 685, Vifam wrote:VOTE: Howard
And now he admits he's got no scumreads cause hey no need to stand out when everybody's clueless, right?
People have townread him mostly for his "chill" attitude (which seems forged with posts like #555 and #577 or #584) and "not saying scummy stuff" but look at his actions: he didn't mean a single thing about his reads this game. If you lynched me for changing my mind about players then he deserves it even more cause I didn't lynch people so opportunistically.

And I don't think it's Flub anymore. It may be, he's not been especially towny but he hasn't done such scummy things as I mentioned right now.
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Post Post #714 (isolation #120) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:24 pm

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If I had a vote, I'd be lynching Vifam today.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #121) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:56 pm

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I don't like self-meta. But yeah I think I trust you for the time being. That being said, what's the final verdict on how many mislynches we have left? Let's assume we didn't lynch any ignited townies cause I definitely wasn't ignited- N1 Maria surely got targeted and I don't see Howard getting ignited either.
Vifam is the best choice for lynch, especially that if he's town (which I don't think he is), he surely got targeted as the most townread player for a long time. Molla, not likely.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #122) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:08 am

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I mean, I often townread people who scumread me if their suspicions stand ground. Reuben looks solid town to me.
Molla looks like obvious mislynch and honestly if you wanted to lynch him, you should've done it instead of me cause now it's too late for policy lynches or whatnot.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #123) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:12 am

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That being said, I'd like wait for Maria's input when she finally decides to honor us with her presence.
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Post Post #734 (isolation #124) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:15 am

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Also notice that Molla townreads Vifam, eliminating another one of potential counterwagons. That looks pretty towny.
Vifam also does that with Cloud but he's not endangered atm and Vifam leaves a door open with Molla whom he apparently suspects again.
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Post Post #738 (isolation #125) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:24 am

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Alright Vifam but it still looks pretty bad. So you were ready to lynch Tier, then decided: nevermind, Molla it is! But you changed your mind again and went with Howard who was fotm. Pretty opportunistic, wouldn't you say? I've seen you call people town or scum this game but I don't really see the motivation and analysis behind it. Also that phrasing "willing to let Tier get lynched" looks pretty iffy. Aren't you a part of us?
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Post Post #739 (isolation #126) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:29 am

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In post 728, Vifam wrote:Tier's replacement feels town, Tier's posting could come off as weird sometimes
That looks like a very weak reason to lynch someone. You could say that about almost everybody. You lynched me cause 'eh whatever we can ml', you wanted to lynch Tier cause 'dunno maybe he's scum', you lynched Howard because I don't really know why and now you come back and forth on Molla whom you've tunnelled whole game. Are you gonna tell me, that 'some of his posting also felt off'? It doesn't look like there's been any genuine scumhunting drive behind your actions.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #127) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:17 am

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How did my flip affect BB's alignment?
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Post Post #744 (isolation #128) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:18 am

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Yeah, he "tried to get Molla" by voting him and saying: "I wanna lynch him" and then just sheeped you few posts later and hammered Howard. I don't see why you're defending him.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #129) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:28 am

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I don't like you're doing his job for him
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Post Post #749 (isolation #130) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:32 am

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Now it looks like you're seeking towncred for unknown reasons. Who do you wanna lynch then?
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Post Post #751 (isolation #131) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:35 am

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Doesn't matter if you can manipulate Maria when she's not here.
What's next then?
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Post Post #766 (isolation #132) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:02 pm

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Molla is town, get over it.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #133) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:48 am

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Stop voting Molla
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Post Post #781 (isolation #134) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:55 am

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Because. The fact that most people have been scumreading him whole game but nobody could post anything resembling a coherent case should be telling enough.
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Post Post #784 (isolation #135) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:05 am

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Do what you want, I only post my advice.
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Post Post #800 (isolation #136) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:15 am

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Lol the list's getting narrow
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Post Post #801 (isolation #137) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:16 am

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Plottwist: Maria's scum and the real Firefighter forgot about his role pm
Dun dun dunnnn
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Post Post #804 (isolation #138) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:40 am

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What did I tell you
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Post Post #830 (isolation #139) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:23 am

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Wubba lubba dub dub
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Post Post #838 (isolation #140) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:50 am

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Wifom at its best
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Post Post #841 (isolation #141) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:52 am

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Not sure. I think not. But what do I know really.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #142) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:58 am

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They stumped my brain
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Post Post #867 (isolation #143) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:26 am

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I thought he was cleared a long time ago
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Post Post #869 (isolation #144) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:43 am

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Guys we're prolly fucked anyway and somebody's gotta take the fall for it so just go ahead and end this
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Post Post #892 (isolation #145) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:14 am

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Sup
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Post Post #894 (isolation #146) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:55 am

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Will tell you tomorrow
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Post Post #895 (isolation #147) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:55 am

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Oh wait
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Post Post #896 (isolation #148) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:55 am

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Well shit it's not Maria, Reuben or Molla. Take your pick!
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Post Post #898 (isolation #149) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:14 am

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Don't think so
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Post Post #989 (isolation #150) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:44 pm

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So yeah. I did what I could. Made a case on Vifam whose jumps were atrocious (and he explained them by 'being lazy' lol) and told you not to lynch Molla. I could've pushed it harder but got totally demotivated so sorry for that.
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