Large Normal 197: Wordplay Mafia OVER

[Gear]

Vote: drealmerz7

So I never have to type that name ever again.

Spyrex, vote too because antibodies.

Everyone else vote too for the sake of my keyboard.

[Gear]

wait nvm that's MariaR's job

I'll do what she didn't do

VOTE: iraonavp

Hello, who were you in that game?

VOTE: gear [/vote ]
See i gaaave you my vote look at all that play of words

I am in love.

Vote:too is good too. I'm going to be happy here.

[Gear]

I'm pretty much okay with drealmerz7, SpyreX and doomfeathers.

My gut says that Transcend is town, but if I wanted, I could make some sort of case on him, but I'd bet it would be wrong, so for the time being I'm going to stick with my gut, and see how things pan out.

There's nothing in Peregrine's posts that makes me feel confident about a read on him either way, which is a shame since he has so many, but so it goes.

Finally Dunnstral is scum, and it's shame that this guy,

Not sure, but I don't want to vote anyone else.

didn't notice.

Vote: Dunnstral

[Gear]

Hi. I should be able to read and post within 14 hours.

[Gear]

I have to get on a plane for 12 hours in 10 minutes, but I managed to look through the thread.

These people:
Transcend
drealmerz7
Gamma Emerald
SpyreX
Dunnstral
Bins
MariaR

need to kill these people:
ChaosOmega
gerryoat
Road Kamelot

probably in that order, and these people are on thin ice:
BigYoshiFan
grapes
PeregrineV

[Gear]

I have to get on a plane for 12 hours in 10 minutes, but I managed to look through the thread.

These people:
Transcend
drealmerz7
Gamma Emerald
SpyreX
Dunnstral
Bins
MariaR

need to kill these people:
ChaosOmega
gerryoat
Road Kamelot

probably in that order, and these people are on thin ice:
BigYoshiFan
grapes
PeregrineV

nice bad reads

What do you disagree with, besides you obviously.

His top 2 TRs

That part of the list wasn't specially ordered, they're just folks who I don't want to lynch, and who it would take something pretty special for me to change my mind about today.

ok Gear yall have to explain that Transcend townread

After what he did at the end of day one, he subjected himself to a lot of scrutiny, particularly from PR's at night, already one person claimed to visit him. My view is that it's unlikely that scum would be okay with drawing that much attention to himself day one, when there's no information about possible town PRs out yet, and with little to gain from that move. I could see him as scum pulling a stunt like that if he was a god-father, but those are black-listed.

Also, since someone has claimed to visit him, pushing that lynch is probably going to result in at least one hard claim, and I don't want to out town PR's now, over that.

[Gear]

gear is scum

So you think I am bussing all my scum-buddies?

[Gear]

Dunn's Def town for that out. I think if he were scum, it'd be stupid for him to sacrifice himself to get a lynchbait lynched.

I agree with the conclusion that he's probably town, but why do you think he's sacrificed himself?

[Gear]

Vote: ChaosOmega

[Gear]

Unvote

[Gear]

At first I was thinking that two one shot bp's might be too much stuff to fuck with the scum's nk, but then I realized they are enabled, which weakens them quite a bit.

I'm still okay with lynching Chaos based on his play so far, but I'm not too sure how relevant the claims are yet.

[Gear]

Ok, but assuming that he's scum, how would he end up sacrificing himself?

[Gear]

That was to transcend obviously.

[Gear]

I was just looking over the game, and saw that same post by Gerry - I think that post alone is a good reason to lynch him.

[Gear]

Transcend, why did you choose to push the lynch on Ira rather than push a lynch on Gerry who you had a pretty concrete reason to scum read?

[Gear]

Vote: Gerryoat

For the fabricated town read on Chaos, if you want something specific, but you can also just read his ISO and notice that there's nothing in there that indicates any sort of positive thought process.

[Gear]

I believe Gamma btw. But I also think Chaos could be town. Soooo. I don't think we should vote that.

[Gear]

I don't like Dunnstral's fake claim, but I still don't want to lynch him today.

I'm confused about Bins' claim, but I guess that I can live with that for the time being. I kind of think that Bins should out whether Transcend is confirmed town or not, but I'll leave that to her.

Gerry's town-read on Chaos is still bs and him ignoring it, doesnt change a thing.

. 2 1 shot bps could be town of there's a scum bp and I'm an enabler.

Why do you think that there needs to be a scum bp?

The issue that I am having with the BPs is whether having two protected players at night is too many. The reasons that I think that it isn't are because of the number of bullets flying aroung at night and the fact that the vig's don't go away if just one of them dies, so that the likelihood of a 1-shot lasting late in the game is pretty small. I wouldn't question there being a doctor in this game, and the level of town protection doesn't seem to be significantly more.

I'm still okay with the Chaos lynch, but I still don't get the setup spec arguments for lynching him - Maybe the people voting him over it could explain their thoughts on the matter?


Firebringer:

So basically Dunnstral thought he was BP, but finds out no he wasn't.

Why do you think that he ever thought that he was BP? I pretty sure that wasn't the case.

Actually PeregrineV might more sense since his logic is really out there...maybe?

What are you referring to?

[Gear]

Art first I thought he was just claiming bp. But now after bins posting, I'm pretty sure that he was actually claiming bp + some other pr, and there is no way we should be lynching him without a full claim. Considering what happened day one, there is no way I'm voting him right now.

Also considering the similarity with bins claim, I'd like to give him a chance to actually post.

The more I think about it, the more I think scum in his situation would just claim bp, and wouldn't risk bulking up the claim by also claiming a pr.

[Gear]

bp is a pr right?

Sure, but the way he claimed could suggest that he has some other pr, and lynching him now would be incredibly stupid.

[Gear]

And peregrine's logic?

[Gear]

If I haven't been replaced yet. I will be able to post within 12 hours.

[Gear]

I'm pretty sure I will want to lynch from the people who ignored me when I said Chaos Omega is probably a pr and voted him because of transcend.

[Gear]

I fucking hate fire assassin claiming an innocent on Transcend making that analysis pretty useless.

[Gear]

I think my interactions with transcend should point to us not being buddies, but I don't really mind people being suspicious of me. Since I protected him, while being suspicious of him.

[Gear]

I'm sure that I don't want to lynch
dreamers
Camelot
Dunnstral
Bins
Gerry
Aristo

But I can understand how people are reading Gerry as scum, since he and transcend both bussed each other while voting others.



7. BigYoshiFan
10. Nahdia
14. PeregrineV

I'll figure out who I want to vote later today.

[Gear]

Dude the one w the biggest chance of flipping scum there is Nahdia and im not even sure theyre scum
Granted i COULD be wrong on Yoshis performance but if pere is scum ill eat my socks

Why do you think that Pere is town?

[Gear]

Gear because non-existent presence and also I remember I read Transcend pushing them early then awkwardly dropping the scumread.

Why do you think he would do this if we were buddies? It's not like I was in any danger of being lynched?

[Gear]

At this point I kind of think I was wrong about peregrine and Yoshi so I'm going to need to do some more work.

[Gear]

Looking at dreamers ISO makes me think he could be scum. His early interactions with transcend look fake, and his current push on dunnstral is based on policy. I didn't see anything on his ISO that seemed like a solid townie thought process.

[Gear]

If you don't think I know what the word distancing is, then you don't understand that I was being silly.

I can't figure out YOUR thought process, and I'm not assuming you're a lost noob who doesn't know shade from an umbrella tree.

The only thought process I can "see" is : "hey, new guy! fresh meat! let's push him and see if we can make him crack and melt and be the D1 lynch" making assumptions about my experience level, and, not treating me with respect as a player because of that.

These things are scummy to me. and the more we interact, the more you dig yourself into that hole, which, I'm not even looking to put you in, but, you're just still at me after 4 pages of me not responding to your vote on me like you wanted me to? If this is your town game, wow.

Good sir you are overthinking and need to take a step back

This post by Maria seems townie to me. Yoshi, you have experience with her, do you think scum-Maria fakes this when she's buddies with Transcend?

[Gear]

Looking at dreamers ISO makes me think he could be scum. His early interactions with transcend look fake, and his current push on dunnstral is based on policy. I didn't see anything on his ISO that seemed like a solid townie thought process.

But then dreamers complaining about people hating on tone readers and posts after that seem pretty sincere.

[Gear]

Looking at dreamers ISO makes me think he could be scum. His early interactions with transcend look fake, and his current push on dunnstral is based on policy. I didn't see anything on his ISO that seemed like a solid townie thought process.

But then dreamers complaining about people hating on tone readers and posts after that seem pretty sincere.

By page 12, there is no way I would vote for dreamers ever.

[Gear]

I forgot about gerry's fake town read on Chaos, add to that the abortive pushes between him and transcend, and he's better bet for scum than before.

[Gear]

We should probably mass claim today.

[Gear]

Camelot, why do you think that I am scum?

[Gear]

Gamma's push on Chaos makes him pretty unlikely to be scum.

[Gear]

Dreamers, there's a really small chance that dun is scum and it would be more useful if you focused elsewhere.

[Gear]

Actually Nadia, you too, why do you think I am scum?

[Gear]

It really would have made more sense for bins to have protected Spyrex last night, let dunns use his one-shot bp, if necessary, and then we'd have more living players or dunns would still be bp.

On the other hand this seems like a mess for scum to deal with, so I think there is very likely scum in the bps. Trying to sort through this is why I think we should mass claim.

[Gear]

If you don't think I know what the word distancing is, then you don't understand that I was being silly.

I can't figure out YOUR thought process, and I'm not assuming you're a lost noob who doesn't know shade from an umbrella tree.

The only thought process I can "see" is : "hey, new guy! fresh meat! let's push him and see if we can make him crack and melt and be the D1 lynch" making assumptions about my experience level, and, not treating me with respect as a player because of that.

These things are scummy to me. and the more we interact, the more you dig yourself into that hole, which, I'm not even looking to put you in, but, you're just still at me after 4 pages of me not responding to your vote on me like you wanted me to? If this is your town game, wow.

Good sir you are overthinking and need to take a step back

This post by Maria seems townie to me. Yoshi, you have experience with her, do you think scum-Maria fakes this when she's buddies with Transcend?

I wouldn't townread her with this post. I think town-Maria would maybe provide an alternative thought or perhaps another lead, but I wouldn't scumread her because she was really lazy this game.

I only just reread and was reminded that Maria was replaced by fire assassin, and grapes by Nadia, so this is irrelevant, and takes away I was possibly thinking Nadia could be town.

[Gear]

people srsly need to learn to put it in one post

I apologize. I was working hard to get caught up and remember what was going on. That means phone posting, but I am pretty much done with it now.

Anyway:

Confirmed town:

Aristophanes - Confirmed town, since confirmed vig.

I would be shocked if scum:

Dunnstral - see Transcend's lynch.

Town based on play:

PeregrineV - Having reread, and especially recently, Peregrine's play seems focused and helpful.
Road Kamelot - I don't feel as good about her as I do about Peregrine, but I don't think that she's scum.

Probably town, but making me nervous

drealmerz7 - I thought was town early based on seeming sincere, but the push on Dunn doesn't make any sense. It's bad enough that this could be scum trying to cause a distraction. However, I would be very hard pressed to vote for him today.

Bins - I am primarily worried because of the claim - odd night doctor, while the vigs are on nights 1 and 3.

Worried about (in no particular order):

BigYoshiFan, I've been going back and forth here a bit, but I will eventually narrow it down.

gerryoat - abortive bussing attempts between him and transcend. I liked his vote on Nahdia earlier, so that's something.

Nahdia - I think her replacing in and voting doomfeathers is pretty bad, it means that on replacing in that she wasn't using information available to her, I think that her town-read on Transcend in 1341 is fake.

Vote: Nahdia

Nahdia, I'd like you also explain why you think that the town is stacked if all the claimed pr's are scum? And who is scum amongst the prs?

[Gear]

he believes dunnstral's "result on bins day 2 = 1-shot bp odd-night doctor!!!!" and then says "Bins - I am primarily worried because of the claim - odd night doctor, while the vigs are on nights 1 and 3."

you can't have it both ways, thnks for outting yourself as dunn's scum-buddy, as how I'ma read all that

So what do you think the problem is here?
For me the issue is that bins as odd night doc would be useful for scum to counteract the town day 1 and 3 vigs.

[Gear]

Where'd you read Dunn is a bulletproof?

He fake claimed it at some point.

[Gear]

Assuming you meant "why is town stacked if all claimed pr's are town"; it's a lot of PR's for us to have, including two relatively powerful investigative PR's.

If you believed this, you would be pushing on Dunn.

[Gear]

you can't have it both ways, thnks for outting yourself as dunn's scum-buddy, as how I'ma read all that

So what do you think the problem is here?
For me the issue is that bins as odd night doc would be useful for scum to counteract the town day 1 and 3 vigs.

The problem is the progression of events - that when presented with the "deal" of "if bins flips town are you okay being the next lynch" dunnstral did not comply and the lynch did not go through on bins. If dunnstral believes bins to be scum, he would have continued the push on bins and complied with the deal. Instead, it fizzled into nothing and he instead led the charge on low-hanging-fruit.[/quote]
And how does this relate to my alignment?

[Gear]

Assuming you meant "why is town stacked if all claimed pr's are town"; it's a lot of PR's for us to have, including two relatively powerful investigative PR's.

If you believed this, you would be pushing on Dunn.

The risk vs reward isn't there, my man. I already said we should be lynching outside PR claims for now.

Maybe, but you'd still be pushing him, and not posting things like:

VOTE: dunnstral

come with me if you want to live

is this a serious vote

[Gear]

LOL

so his getting Transcend lynched was...

[Gear]

And how does this relate to my alignment?

vote dunnstral with me and let me see how it relates to your alignment

I want you to answer my question seriously.

[Gear]

You're serious grasping. Why the fuck would I not question him thoroughly if I'm trying to get a read on him? There are reasons to vote Dunn. There are also reasons to not vote Dunn. I wanted his full reasoning you dunce.

I think that if you are looking for someone's full reasoning, you don't ask "Is this vote serious"? You'd ask something more neutral like "Why?"

You ask "Is this vote serious?" to disparage the person making the vote, which you wouldn't do if you agreed with it.

[Gear]

Thanks for telling me what tone I'm supposed to take.

If you were town, I wouldn't have to.

If you weren't voting for me, who would you be voting for?

[Gear]

No, I want you to talk about who you would be voting if not me.

[Gear]

Why PV?

[Gear]

Actually, if you have a claim that means we should be lynching between you and Dunnstral, go for it.

I'm pretty much tired of the "claiming" that's been happening in this game, and getting all of that nailed down today might be a good idea anyway.

[Gear]

Why not.

Ok, you're just being cagey scum. Bye!

[Gear]

you deflected (trying to effectively make it about yourself and then dismiss it because the case against you "isn't there" or whatever)

No, you made it about me, when you posted

Gear just went way high on my list (right under dunns) because:

he believes dunnstral's "result on bins day 2 = 1-shot bp odd-night doctor!!!!" and then says "Bins - I am primarily worried because of the claim - odd night doctor, while the vigs are on nights 1 and 3."

you can't have it both ways, thnks for outting yourself as dunn's scum-buddy, as how I'ma read all that

I think that Dunns is probably town, because of his interactions with transcend, since I am far from sure that Bins is scum because of role-related info, I don't have a problem with Dunns not pushing that anymore, so I don't find your case on him convincing.

[Gear]

My HS has a different culture. A bullied hammer would never go over, the bully (transcend) would have been immediately PLed on D2, and even more possible with the DC we'd have probably just PLed yoshi immediately come D3

Can you provide a link to a game that shows that this is true?

[Gear]

Titus, could I get your opinion on Nadia, in particular to her play since I voted her, and on BYF?

[Gear]

it's lylo if drealmerz is town

Why is that?

[Gear]

I won't be around until Monday. I'd love to see Nahdia swinging next time I check the thread.

[Gear]

Has the group always been this divided?

It seems like we're putting this on my shoulders.

You are free to relieve your self of this burden and vote for Nahdia.
BYF would be okay too.
Gerry is would not be terrible, but since he was pushing transcend, it might be worth giving him another day.

I think that you'll have to do a lot of heavy lifting if you want to lynch anyone else.

[Gear]

Drealmerz is probably town.

VOTE: Dunn

Let's see what happens.
#bestcaseever

As PV suggested dreamerz do, go to Dunn's ISO, search for "trans," and when your done let us know what you think.

[Gear]

Ok, I skimmed Dunn's ISO. I have a thought on him.

I will keep my vote here for awhile cause reasons.

I see that this is going to be stressful.

I liked was his VC analysis.

You liked the analysis, or you liked that he did analysis?

u kno its pretty funny but i could easily entertain dunn scum because transcend was playing so "lololol" it really wouldnt surprise me if dunn and transcend were like "YO bud, let's get you to claim a guilty on me cause my role sucks and you'll be conf-fucking town and you realized how scummy ur claimed role looks so heres like a free pass at a win THANK ME LATER FOOLED YA TOWN"


[this is my transcend impression]

..
but im gonna push that out of my mind for now, lmfao.




[my apologies to dunn if u r 100% town and i am instilling freaky paranoia into the town---- is what i do best]

Did he not correctly identify your role? One of you is scummy as hell now.

Yeah, Bins, if he didn't correctly identify your role you would have said something. He should be confirmed town to you. You're really scummy to me now. That post is basically trying to get the most powerful town PR lynched.
VOTE: Bins[/unvote]

This is terrible.

Ugh, just kill me already. That was a logic slip, sorry Bins.

Why no unvote?

VOTE: Bins

Trollolol.

Nahdia is town. Dunn is town. Yoshi might be town despite that.

Why Bins?

Nahdia is town due to preemptive wagon analysis.

Could you explain?

UNVOTE:
Titus are you takin into account the claimed BP enabler that scum shot

Why the unvote?

Road here is more town now too

I don't think so. Why do you?

[Gear]

PV, BYF, could you two each tell me what you got out of PV's VCA, I wasn't able to see anything there that I found interesting.

[Gear]

Vote: BigYoshiFan

[Gear]

That's L-2.

[Gear]

Titus, why do you think I'm scum?

I'd appreciate it if you stopped ignoring my questions.

[Gear]

How has it been resolved?

[Gear]

Bins and gear are likely scum.

Nahdia Gerryoat BigYoshi and Dunn likely town.

Why do you think I'm town?

When I voted Dunn to give an out to the scumteam based on Drealmerz bad push, no one jumped. It strongly suggested you and Nahdia town as scum didn't need a new option. They were not even curious.

This has to be one of the silliest things I have ever read.

[Gear]

Your "gambit" is probably the first.

I would think that your vote on me is profoundly idiotic.

[Gear]

I think we should lynch Yoshi for hammering on day one, for putting transcend in the range where he could self hammer, and for that bullshit case on Bins.

If Yoshi flips scum, then I want to lynch Camelot for her unvote of Yoshi, since her explanation of that move makes little sense to me at this point.

[Gear]

On the other hand if Yoshi is town, I'd bet that the scum team is in Nadia, Peregrine, Gerry and Bins

[Gear]

If I had to pick one to be town there it would be Nadia since she seems to care who gets lynched today

[Gear]

Also guys I already explained that Transcend tried to rush yoshi into hammering by saying he'd doc him if he did. yoshi is prob town

If Yoshi is town, this is pretty likely to be scum Gerry telling us that he knows Yoshi is town, since this reasoning is incomprehensible.

[Gear]

how did this Gear wagon gain so much traction

I suspect it's cause Yoshi is scum and Camelot is his buddy.

[Gear]

On the other hand if Yoshi is town, I'd bet that the scum team is in Nadia, Peregrine, Gerry and Bins

You mean you think they are all mafia?

Nope

[Gear]

Sweet fucking Christ. I'll be around to the deadline, I won't be self voting to ensure a lynch since that's bullshit.

[Gear]

Id rather lynch Yoshi to Pv, but if Pv gets to l1 I'll hammer.

[Gear]

Bins vote Yoshi

[Gear]

Dreamers, now that you know dunnstral was town, you should re -think your reads.

After her play at the end of day yesterday,

Vote:Road Kamelot

She was happy to sit back and watch whoever was getting lynched, get lynched.

[Gear]

I'd be happy to cooperate on BYF or Nadia.

[Gear]

Hey guys
Gear i dunno if u noticed but i was absent from the game in general there and you were firmly in my 'this person can go right ahead and ge lynched category;
but since its a new day and i now have time
VOTE: Gerry

I think this is a scummy response.

Why do you think I am scum?

[Gear]

Ok.

Unvote
Vote: Nadia

[Gear]

I'm really grateful that bins has made herself obviously town.

[Gear]

Road Kamelot, why did you think that the Yoshi situation was resolved?

[Gear]

I mean from yesterday when he made the crazy attack on Bins.

[Gear]

So your issue was with that post and not the case on Bins?

[Gear]

That slip over me and Bins was just me being stupid and not realizing a mafia rolecop was a possibility. However, thinking that is wasn't a possibility, what was wrong with that case?

This just makes me think that you are scum who knew Dunnstral was town.

[Gear]

gear tonally reeks and every post of substance they make i disagree with. looks heavily like posturing fmpov.

There's no way that you believe this.

[Gear]

Bins is almost for sure town for the post about scum quickhammering.

So Nadia only wants to lynch town's people, and she isn't considering anything else.

[Gear]

gear tonally reeks and every post of substance they make i disagree with. looks heavily like posturing fmpov.

There's no way that you believe this.

And it's classic scum overselling. Trying to beef up a "I disagree with you, so you're scum" argument.

[Gear]

Actually, Nadia posting about tone there makes me think that she is subtlety trying to appeal to dreamerz the tone reader.

[Gear]

RK and Titus are my top TRs and Nahdia comes in a close 3rd

Nahdia wagon has my top SRs on it...

I know I know, I sucked it with dunnstral this game, but otherwise, I think all is good

RK isn't likely town.

If you want, I will help you lynch her.

I'm still happy with my vote on Nadia.

[Gear]

I'm not keen on lynching bins today.

[Gear]

Bins should not be lynched because she is an odd night doc, and we will have conf. Town alive tomorrow if we don't lynch her.

I'm also pretty sure that she's town, and that there is 1 or 2 scum in Nadia and RK by looking at the composition of the wagons on me yesterday and her today.

[Gear]

Titus, you've already worked out RK is probably scum, and of you think Nadia's town, its practically guaranteed, and there's nothing in it for her to bid right now if she and I were buddies, so you should screw your head on right and start town reading me.

[Gear]

Sorry, bid should be bus.