Mini Normal 1844 Firework Mafia. Game Over

[Impoetic]

Also Transcend the thing you TR jae for is very similar to what denial TR'd me for when I was mafia with you recently. Like, almost the exact same situation w/ pretending to think someone is killing them over a joke.

Sorry for all the tripleposting and coasting. I'll try and change my approach after this.

[CCC]

I'm riding but the road is rough enough that I keep hitting the wrong buttons.

Ah, right. Good. That's okay, then.

[CCC]

you mean when I said that people's PR/non-PR reads on me were like completely irrelevant to my actual role half the time? Why would you assume it was proven? Are you implying

you

know my role?

Half

the time? How accurate is that figure? Do you perchance have stats (drawn only from completed games, of course) to back that up?

That's a figure of speech, not a statistical estimation. I meant nothing more than that in the other version of mafia I play, people tend to overanalyze/overestimate how much I play to my role. I cannot list games where this happened because it's not forum mafia. Cloud plays there too.

...ah, thank you for that clarification.

[CCC]

friendly reminder that I'm the mafia goon with a factional kill to direct at whoever I want tonight

Is this an actual, serious scumclaim? I have a very strong urge to park my vote on you now.

What do you think?

I don't

think

it's serious, but if it turns out that you

are

scum, then it's going to turn out to be incredibly embarrassing to ignore that post.

VOTE: L.U.V.

i'll be a sheep because my SR was wrong

Why do you think your SR was wrong?

because he came and posted some things that seemed really genuine to me. It wasn't necessarily a strong read in the first place.

...hmmm. Fair enough.

[VWXYZ]

Someone said I should be shot smh I'm just trying to survive right now and people want me to die

[Impoetic]

friendly reminder that I'm the mafia goon with a factional kill to direct at whoever I want tonight

Is this an actual, serious scumclaim? I have a very strong urge to park my vote on you now.

What do you think?

I don't

think

it's serious, but if it turns out that you

are

scum, then it's going to turn out to be incredibly embarrassing to ignore that post.

Ohhh, I get it now. Don't worry, I'm not. If you're really worried, you can probably verify with JaeReed, Transcend, Gerry, or Cloudkicker, as they've all played games with me before, and know I tend to make comments like that. I believe I said it in a followup to Jaereed saying jokingly that was my role.

even if I were scum it wouldn't be something to be embarrassed over because you would have no way of knowing that comment was real.

[CCC]

wait why would Uzi be confscum just because he saw CCC as conftown?

Because that kind of confidence in a read based on nothing would be obvious bullshit / fake reads, and that's pretty damn obv!scum.

It's also possible that he's not Townreading

anyone

- that his Towniest reads were null, and everyone south of that was being read, to a greater or lesser extent, as leaning scumwards. Then it would make sense to put the guy that has given practically no indication one way or the other with the nullreads at the top of the list.

What I

don't

like is that, even given plenty of opportunity, he didn't suggest this as his reason.

This is pretty likely town!trans. See my meta case on him in LYLO the first time we played (and he was a wolf)

Spoiler:

He shows no real intellectual curiosity at all about Io v Karnos. Marked contrast to his typical town games where he bounces around between ideas and suspicions (see links I sent earlier today), and even without meta a strange reaction to an accusation of fighting to essentially hand-wave it away as TvT.

In the context of day one...

Town!Transcend
Newbie 1721
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=27478
has fluid reads, bounces around with his vote, pushes and presses multiple people, especially early
asks questions, reasonably often with a push behind them - 22, 35, 41, 46, 65, 374, 377, etc.
gives substance behind reads, and is sorting the whole board (though some of the sorts are light on heft), see 346 reads list

New York 196
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8029308
has fluid reads, bounces around with his vote, pushes and presses multiple people, especially early
asks questions, reasonably often with a push behind them - 46, 49, 54, 57, 59, 397, etc.

Open 645
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
pushing early, bouncing around with his vote and reads, engaging with most of the board
asks questions, reasonably often with a push behind them - 195, 227, 229 237, 244, etc.


Wolf!Transcend
Mini 1796
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
early emphasis on explaining/justifying his own push - 167, 169,
questions are self-oriented or weak: 176 is in the context of his own read, 278/279 are questions that don't go anywhere, 281 is in the context of talking about his own vote, 411 is sort of a question, and that's basically it for his first 100 posts

I'm explicitly NOT sorting Fire/Ice since
1) It was multiball
2) His partner was already dead when he subbed in
so that's not reasonably comparable to this game

This game
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=27478
(page 1 - first 200 posts)
day one engagement much more focused on specific people (Luna Fox, Thor, PC)
questions are rare and weak - 132 is a push on the player pushing karnos, 352 is a reinforcement of his PC push, ditto 423, 440 is decent though, 642 is a push on luna rather than a true question,
TR of karnos was weak - 317 is a playstyle read, and when thor pushed back in 336, he's not really interested in engaging substantively with the karnos read (394, 397 are both weak in that respect), and pushes to change the topic of conversation
436 is a weird reaction to PC - scum would be MORE likely to make a bad vote, not less
695luna notes trans's posts as being really town, but that only applies i think if karnos is also town; if karnos flips red (which he did) it's an easy post for a buddy to make to sell the "I totally didn't think karnos was flipping red" mindset

In terms of day 1, transcend played much closer to his wolf meta than his town meta. I'd felt better about his later days though, so I need to dig into those to see if I still agree w that or not.

The caveat here is that skimming his ISO there's not much in the way of questioning (more just shit-posting early on), but I don't see him pursuing an agenda, I don't see him pushing himself out of the spotlight, and I don't see any kind of focus on how he's being perceived by the board. It's not 100%, but unless he intentionally swung his meta (which is hard to do btw) just to fool me, I think it's just a lot more likely he's simply town.

I don't see how his behaviour here matches the Town meta you describe. He's not doing much questioning, his reads aren't fluid (he's pretty much fixated on Lil Uzi Vert), and his reads have no substance.

PS My day chat knowledge comes from a really cool place. I'm going to spoil it because it might just blow your mind

Spoiler:

> Mafia have day chat.

(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)

...I looked there, and

still

somehow missed that. Thanks, that does help a lot.

[CCC]

Um all these reasons for why Uzi would be confscum for being confident in his reads are really not realistic, just silly speculation imo. Uzi feels town to me, I like him more than smith/vwxyz right now.

Gerry 'towntell' is NAI - someone would probably say it as either alignment.

It's a weak scumread.

But it's day one - all I've

got

are weak scumreads.

[CCC]

trans/io/cloud/herm/impo/gerry town
vw probtown

burger is nullish
smith i'm concerned about

uzi is weak scumlean
rb is scumread
ccc is scumread

...this while his vote is on Uzi and not on rb or me.

Explicitly voting someone who's not your top scumread without good reason trips all my scum detectors.

I'm going to finish catching up before I vote, but unless I see something pretty blatant I'll be voting for JaeReed once I'm caught up.

[CCC]

What do you think?

I don't

think

it's serious, but if it turns out that you

are

scum, then it's going to turn out to be incredibly embarrassing to ignore that post.

Ohhh, I get it now. Don't worry, I'm not. If you're really worried, you can probably verify with JaeReed, Transcend, Gerry, or Cloudkicker, as they've all played games with me before, and know I tend to make comments like that. I believe I said it in a followup to Jaereed saying jokingly that was my role.

even if I were scum it wouldn't be something to be embarrassed over because you would have no way of knowing that comment was real.

...fair enough. But I'll keep an eye on you, just in case.

[CCC]

Okay. My reads, in order from Town to Mafia (and colour coded):

Town: CCC

mhsmith0

CloudKicker, rb, VWXYZ, Io, Hermie, Impoetic, BurgerKing

gerryoat

Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

JaeReed

Mafia

VOTE: JaeReed

[Impoetic]

Explicitly voting someone who's not your top scumread without good reason trips all my scum detectors.

didn't i do this earlier

[Impoetic]

but jaereed stole my catchphrase from another game which is totes scummy because it's less like a joke and more like an excuse so I mean hey it's okay to finger-of-suspicion them for inconsistent reasons in my book

[gerryoat]

I can't find 1 post from BurgerKing that actually has them scumhunting.

ironic.

heres a few posts where i demonstrate scumhunting:

post 308
post 467

there are a bunch of other posts where i ask JaeReed, Io, Impoetic to explain things they said.

so blatant lie is blatant.

hmm let's look at u now.

post 483 - filler opening post (abt how theres a lot of pages, wanting to flip maf, calling the mod a noob etc.)
post 484 - another useless post abt how you're tired and you'll read later
post 552 - irrational logic
post 569 - another useless post abt how you're not even going to bother to read over what u missed
post 571 - u then announce that u'll skim-read and dont come back with a useful post
post 593 - useless "lol" post
post 704 - claiming to be serious about the irrational logic in post #552
post 706 - useless post
post 707 - useless post
post 712 - useless+incorrect post
post 706 - useless irony posting of facepalm emoji
post 721 - u ask someone to tell u to iso a player instead of just ISO'ing players
post 724 - useless post
post 726 - vague / lacks elaboration
post 729 - the one relevant post u made which is pretty much a BW on LUV

so u basically called me out on not scumhunting which was not only a lie but also completely ironic considerin all the posts u've made so far.

VOTE: Gerryoat

There is a better chance that the mod gets lynched today before I do.

[gerryoat]

I checked a previous game with uzi as town and he's nowhere near as townie as he was then. this game he has wayyy more filler content

[gerryoat]

Okay. My reads, in order from Town to Mafia (and colour coded):

Town: CCC

mhsmith0

CloudKicker, rb, VWXYZ, Io, Hermie, Impoetic, BurgerKing

gerryoat

Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

JaeReed

Mafia

VOTE: JaeReed

hey let's compromise. uzi is your 2nd scumread, vote him instead

[gerryoat]

also since sonia is mod, we will get a VC once every 20 or 30 pages. savior the vote logs we get

[gerryoat]

btw Impoetic is also mafia lol

[Transcend]

Okay. My reads, in order from Town to Mafia (and colour coded):

Town: CCC

mhsmith0

CloudKicker, rb, VWXYZ, Io, Hermie, Impoetic, BurgerKing

gerryoat

Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

JaeReed

Mafia

VOTE: JaeReed

This doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Transcend]

VC

Lazy mod alert

[Impoetic]

btw Impoetic is also mafia lol

[JaeReed]

Also Transcend the thing you TR jae for is very similar to what denial TR'd me for when I was mafia with you recently. Like, almost the exact same situation w/ pretending to think someone is killing them over a joke.

Sorry for all the tripleposting and coasting. I'll try and change my approach after this.

Your point? Do you honestly think I was pretending? Keep in mind that you are under oath, miss impo

[Impoetic]

Also Transcend the thing you TR jae for is very similar to what denial TR'd me for when I was mafia with you recently. Like, almost the exact same situation w/ pretending to think someone is killing them over a joke.

Sorry for all the tripleposting and coasting. I'll try and change my approach after this.

Your point? Do you honestly think I was pretending? Keep in mind that you are under oath, miss impo

my point is he shouldn't clear you for it and neither will I.

[JaeReed]

Impo might have drawn scum. :/

You literally pointed out at the time that I don't dumbtell. You know my town meta and play. You have seen my scum play and discussed the blatant holes in it compared to my town play with me. I believe even with me being as lazy as I am you'd know based off activity and tone alone.

[Io]

VC

Yes I too would like a VC.