In post 880, Io wrote:You went the whole day joking around with Impo, and at somewhere near the end of the day post 533 you said you were on the fence about them with shortly after saying that you lean town in 572. You even had them down as town in your reads list, but then the very last post of day 1 (773) you said they might be scum. You had absolutely no build up to this change of reads on them, it just happened. That is so scummy that even if Impo wasn't scum that I would still want to rip your head off for that read. It just screams being fake. It looked very much like an attempt to distance after how much you guys had dialogued but not really talked during the day.
I see more of a connection to you trying to buddy with Impo day 1 than the other way around, but I really can't tell if you are just trying to incriminate Impo as being your scum buddy or actually scum budies. What makes me lean more towards you both being scum was Impo's comment in 664 dismissing the idea scum would coach which is exactly what I feel like you 2 were doing, making interactions that just were not substantial and just superficial.
And honestly everything you are posting today is just making things worse for you.
That early push on Smith was disgustingly bad and honestly the kind of thing I would expect from a scum who was disappointed to have killed a VT night 1.
Then this post that you're making me write this stupid response for. There's a lot of things wrong here. First you're fence sitting which I shouldn't even need to explain why that is scummy but I will sense I don't know if you can tell why it's scummy. Scum can't call people town, if they do that lowers the lynch pool and increases their chance to be lynched, scum also can't just call everyone scum because that is such a stupid thing to do. This is where you get fence sitting posts where scum have a dilemma because making reads makes it easier to PoE them. Then you also say that my accusations of you "rub you the wrong way" which already starts off with stating your defense is that my accusation is scummy which is not a defense. You haven't even given any sort of defense to the actual accusation you just accused me, but you didn't. You're still fence sitting not wanting to call me scum for accusing you, and when you say that the posts "rub you the wrong way" you are just drawing attention to the posts as being potentially scummy and not saying why they are scummy. You are wanting someone else to make the accusation because you would be too suspicious to make the accusation yourself.
VOTE: Jae
If your next post does not have reads on me, Impo, Trans, RB, and CCC I will hard tunnel you until you or I die.
You don't know what coaching means, do you? Which is funny because you were trying to do it in your first newbie iirc. Coaching is when someone tells you how to respond to a post. If anything what myself and Impo were doing by your definition would be (really bad) distancing. If we wanted to distance we wouldn't cozy up to each other on account of being friends.
You didn't look at the post in context with how Impo was pushing me. Her saying I don't dumbtell then leaning towards saying that was what I was doing was scummy for her. She knows, I know, and she retracted so it's all good. I've played a lot with her recently on epicmafia and she knows every glaring hole in my scum game because we've discussed it. Her pushing me when she should know I'm town is scummy. She's not even retracting in the manner she does as town, but I'm giving her benefit of the doubt being that chat mafia is slightly different.
I wouldn't have killed gerry, he was doing jack sweet shit, doesn't like playing town, and very obviously to me didn't have a power role to make him want to play the game.
I don't fencesit as scum because I know it's easy to change a read. Town does it all the time so there's no reason why I as scum should need to fencesit. I'm being cautious here because I know I'm prone to omgus and my hardest townread has you as his hardest townread and I generally trust his judgement. He's proven time and again to be a good player as town. I'm also aware that sometimes strong players can be wrong. So yea, I'm fencesitting on those currently voting me because my kneejerk reaction is to omgus and that's never good play regardless of alignment. If I were scum I'd have a stance on you and stick to it because going against you could potentially put me at odds with Transcend.
I can't explain more than it rubs me the wrong way because it's tonal. I like tonal and gut reads. Another point against you is you're not sounding like you did in Donner Party, and I feel like you should know roughly that I operate on tone and gut based off that game as well. At least, you didn't tunnel me there, so that's a large part of my "what gives?" reaction here too.
Also, did you forget you were already voting me, or was that supposed to be for emphasis? -.-
My current reads? I kinda thought they were obvious, but ok. I also kind of think you're going to hard tunnel me regardless of whether I give them or not.
You could be scum, not sure. I don't think you even realize what you're doing, but if you're not scum then you're being extremely stupid right now and I actually have a high opinion of your intelligence, so there's that. I am also aware people can just have a crap game. My individual read on you right now is nullscum but I'm painfully aware that I'm very likely just omgusing and shouldn't actually trust that read right now.
Transcend is my hard town read. I don't know why you would even bother asking about this.
Impo is either nullscum or townlean depending on if she wants to push me and make herself obvious scum. So far she's being a good kitty and as such is town.
CCC is a scum read flat out but holding back on that because smith might be town and if so his opinion is valued.
rb defended lil in a manner I didn't like d1 because I didn't think there was that much to defend him on. I went over this already. I said I wanted to tr him for the paranoia over Impo but knew it wasn't really something to tr him over because it was a post that could easily be made by scum. Then he voted CCC for that terribad push on me and so I'm not sure anymore. Could be attempted buddying and if so it's working to make me rethink and consider rereading. For the time being he's still a scumread but not as strong. If CCC is town then I think there's the chance he's whiteknighting me. If CCC is scum then I don't think that read as a bus, honestly. I mean I could be wrong it's just my take on that.
Now, why did you ask my opinion of those people in particular? I feel like my stances on them are pretty laid out in the thread already. It's obvious I was rethinking my rb scumread by my unvote. It's obvious I'm attempting to not just omgus you and actually sort whether you're scum or bad. It's obvious my townread on Transcend hasn't changed a lick. I'll give you that it's possibly not as obvious that Impo is a read that is practically a coin flip at this stage, and that CCC is a hard scum read that I'm questioning only because of smith. I don't get why you brought up the rest.
Also, me and Impo joking around was just that. I don't understand why you think that has anything to do with how I should be reading her. I can joke around with someone and still like/dislike their tone/content with others. That's how friendship works.
