No. If you think I could be intentionally lazy as a town strategy then you do not call for a fucking vig on me.In post 916, mhsmith0 wrote:It's legitimate to suspect there IMO. The question I have is if they're actually being intentionally lazy as some weird strategy as town, or whether it's a wolf strategy just to try and look like scummy town. If we had a vig I'd say they're a decent shot, but that seems unlikely with just one death n1.
Not joking. You make shit pushes on me as scum. That's what I look out for with you. There's a line where I won't accept town paranoia as an excuse. So don't cross it.In post 918, Impoetic wrote:also jae i know you're joking but if you do that I'm going to tunnel back regardless of whether my read changes on you past that point so don't try it thx
No, we don't pretty obviously not have a vig. There could be any number of reasons for the vig not shooting N1. Even night vig, noncon, 1shot to name a few. Then there's the possibility they DID shoot and both vig & scum shot gerry. There's the possibility that they shot and there was a doc save on one of the kills. So no, it's not pretty obvious.In post 926, mhsmith0 wrote:Given that we pretty obviously do not actually have a vig, and all I said was "they're a decent shot" why did you interpret that as actively calling for a vig?
Nah, not that one. Mini 1830.In post 922, mhsmith0 wrote:Ccc, which game were u referencing, and which scum/which votes? Note that if you say wakes role madness I'm in advance not gonna bother looking though.
(fixed links)In post 932, CCC wrote:Nah, not that one. Mini 1830.In post 922, mhsmith0 wrote:Ccc, which game were u referencing, and which scum/which votes? Note that if you say wakes role madness I'm in advance not gonna bother looking though.
The votes in question are EagerSnake, over here, and gerryoat, case presented here.
Looking back at your massive wall post, you're clearly letting other people's reads influence your reads:In post 923, JaeReed wrote:Trusting someone's read over my own doesn't mean I have to disregard my own reads completely. THAT would be scummy, because it'd be trying to avoid drawing associations.In post 920, CCC wrote:If he was trusting Transcend's reads above his own, then surely he would have had Lil Uzi Vert as his top scumread yesterday (with the reason of "Transcend think this is scum")?In post 918, Impoetic wrote:really not seeing it as such a scumtell. Like, I can see how you can interpret it as such, but I don't think it is just because trusting someone else's reads over your own is something I've done before too (oops)?
predit: why would scum "try to look like scummy town"? also jae i know you're joking but if you do that I'm going to tunnel back regardless of whether my read changes on you past that point so don't try it thx
Yet, even after looking at Transcend's push on Uzi, you still had Uzi as only your third-place scumread - while nonetheless voting for Uzi. It just doesn't match up.In post 883, JaeReed wrote:CCC is a scum read flat out but holding back on that because smith might be town and if so his opinion is valued.
That seems highly unlikely.In post 935, JaeReed wrote:@CCC those are different to this. They were actively trying to set up teams with the person they were voting.
Assume I get announced as Innocent Child (confirmed town) who do you then think is mafia?
Actually, not sure. Probably not since I can't think of anything off the top of my head. People try to direct the vig shot all the time in games but I don't know if scum are more likely to than town. It's more who you're trying to direct it on that I have a problem with. Especially given everything that has happened so far in thread, I feel you should have a very solid reason as town to not try me here.In post 930, mhsmith0 wrote:Given one n1 death, I'd put odds of any kind of vig (or sk or multiball) at something like 10%. So yes, it seems quite unlikely. So to interpret that as my actively trying to direct vig shots (much less that I'd have any real confidence in it working as an offhand comment) is strange. Have you ever seen scum actually do this?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8226991In post 931, mhsmith0 wrote:Much less do this in a back and forth conversation in the middle of the day phase, late night real time, when few are around? Like, that's a SUPER defensive reaction to a pretty off hand comment. Is major defensiveness normal for your town game? Some people are like that, but my sense is that level of it is fairly uncommon.
So basically you think you're obv!town and that I should know it and that all pushes against you are illegitimate? Or something else?In post 939, JaeReed wrote:Especially given everything that has happened so far in thread, I feel you should have a very solid reason as town to not try me here.
So you wouldn't take into account that he's my hardest townread, despite me having meta on him and being confirmed town to you, nor would you re-evaluate and look at people's interactions around the confirmed town?In post 936, CCC wrote:That seems highly unlikely.In post 935, JaeReed wrote:@CCC those are different to this. They were actively trying to set up teams with the person they were voting.
Assume I get announced as Innocent Child (confirmed town) who do you then think is mafia?
But if it were to happen, then my top scumread would be Transcend - that's a substantially weaker read.
I think you specifically should know I'm town.In post 943, mhsmith0 wrote:So basically you think you're obv!town and that I should know it and that all pushes against you are illegitimate? Or something else?In post 939, JaeReed wrote:Especially given everything that has happened so far in thread, I feel you should have a very solid reason as town to not try me here.
I... should? Based on in thread happenings? I don't really understand why I should have you as strong town. I'm not chomping at the bit to vote you, but I don't find you particularly obv!town or the like.In post 947, JaeReed wrote:I think you specifically should know I'm town.In post 943, mhsmith0 wrote:So basically you think you're obv!town and that I should know it and that all pushes against you are illegitimate? Or something else?In post 939, JaeReed wrote:Especially given everything that has happened so far in thread, I feel you should have a very solid reason as town to not try me here.