Mini Normal 1844 Firework Mafia. Game Over

[mhsmith0]

[JaeReed]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8200559
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8326722

This was a fun and enlightening dive that may or may not have helped along some confbias. We'll see with the flip.

VOTE: CCC

p-edit - you should check my reads list that io asked for, smitho

[mhsmith0]

That reads list was a decent post (though a bit neutral about Io and impo). It doesn't make you cleared town given day chat and the possibility it was discussed in PT, but it's worth villager points.

What in particular strikes you as more similar to ccc scum game than town game in comparing isos?

[mhsmith0]

Can you also discuss why trans is such a strong TR for you? You've stated it a bunch of times, but I don't think you've really laid out WHY it's such a strong read.

[JaeReed]

burger/ccc

last maf i'm less sure on.

if ccc is scum then smith is more likely to be town i think.

[JaeReed]

That reads list was a decent post (though a bit neutral about Io and impo). It doesn't make you cleared town given day chat and the possibility it was discussed in PT, but it's worth villager points.

What in particular strikes you as more similar to ccc scum game than town game in comparing isos?

Tone. There's a glaring tonal difference and his scum game tone matches this one to a T.

concerning 1st paragraph uhhh ok sure. I'm fine with that.

[JaeReed]

Can you also discuss why trans is such a strong TR for you? You've stated it a bunch of times, but I don't think you've really laid out WHY it's such a strong read.

I can't really. It's gut & tone. I just don't think his early play was his scumplay, and I am very strongly of that opinion.

[JaeReed]

^ I mean... I probably could try if I wanted to but it's nearing time for the halloween crowd because Australia so I really don't wanna try to find what I liked so much and then attempt to explain what was essentially my gut going "this is 100% town"

[mhsmith0]

Have you played with scum!trans before? He's pretty good at generating town reads and having decent looking tone. He's been a TR for me too, but not anything close to a lock read.

[mhsmith0]

Burger is kind of interesting, a lot of (her?) content so far related to the back and forth between me and Io early d1. I'm VERY curious to see what BK is currently seeing in the game, ditto vw, cloud, hermie... lol that's close to half the game.

[JaeReed]

Not played with, no. I watched him in this game.

https://epicmafia.com/topic/79723

I also thought he was obvtown as town in this game.

https://epicmafia.com/topic/80150

[Transcend]

Thoughts in a bit.

I'm all yours until my girlie friend comes home

Which is in about 2 hours.

Time for some shitty VCA!!! Yay!!!!

[JaeReed]

Burger is kind of interesting, a lot of (her?) content so far related to the back and forth between me and Io early d1. I'm VERY curious to see what BK is currently seeing in the game, ditto vw, cloud, hermie... lol that's close to half the game.

Cloud is VLA for 3 days I think.

[mhsmith0]

Thoughts in a bit.

I'm all yours until my girlie friend comes home

Which is in about 2 hours.

Time for some shitty VCA!!! Yay!!!!

Gerry is obv scum for lol hammer. Oh wait...

Burger is kind of interesting, a lot of (her?) content so far related to the back and forth between me and Io early d1. I'm VERY curious to see what BK is currently seeing in the game, ditto vw, cloud, hermie... lol that's close to half the game.

Cloud is VLA for 3 days I think.

Yep. Fortunately day is nowhere near over.

[Transcend]

Thoughts in a bit.

I'm all yours until my girlie friend comes home

Which is in about 2 hours.

Time for some shitty VCA!!! Yay!!!!

Gerry is obv scum for lol hammer. Oh wait...

Spoiler:

Killthestory, Vanilla Townie- Lynched D2

[mhsmith0]

[mhsmith0]

VC 1.2

(L-0)

Lil Uzi Vert

- mhmsmith0, Transcend, JaeReed, Hermie, Impoetic, Io, gerryoat

-LYNCHED

(L-6)

gerryoat

- Lil Uzi Vert

(L-6)

VWXYZ

- rb

(L-6)

Cloudkicker

- Burgerking

Not Voting:

VWXYZ, CCC, CloudKicker

Deadline ends in: (expired on 2016-11-07 00:05:00)

mhmsmith0 is V/LA until the 27th.

Mod Notes-Hammer was made at post 730 I am sorry I haven't had the best day but that's besides the point

Hard to get useful vca when it's just one single wagon on town and plausibly late voters weren't bothering to pay attention to vote counts.

Off the cuff, probably exactly one wolf in hermie/impo/Io but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. And that's probably the strongest conclusion to draw there.

[JaeReed]

Yeah that's pretty much what I'd draw from that when looking for my last maf candidate. I think it's harder to tell where lolhammers are concerned, though.

[Transcend]

Alright, it's kinda hard to do VCA when mod was fairly lazy throughout the whole day, and we had a hammer for about 3 days or so without knowing it, but here goes nothing. I trust that Sonia put everything chronologically here.

UZI WAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Disclaimer: Green=Conf Town, yes, I know I'm not conf town to you guys, but I don't give a fuck.

(L-0)

Lil Uzi Vert

- mhmsmith0,

Transcend

, JaeReed, Hermie, Impoetic, Io,

gerryoat

-LYNCHED

If scum strategically plotted this wagon by placing one or more of their members on this vote, that meant that scum would be in Impo, Io, and gerry. One of those is flipped town, one is my best townread and the other is also a fairly strong townread. I doubt scum!Jae and scum!Hermie would strategically L-4 and L-3 the lynch. I think the fast wagon was just due to not having a VC. I truthfully only think that there's at most (and probably) one scum that was on this mislynch.

So let's take a look at each individual member on the wagon individually.

Smith: The first vote, but I think he voted him because I did, or he agreed with my reasoning on him, while I was changing my vote as often as I change my underwear. His vote doesn't appear tactical like "hey I can get this guy mislynched". I think he genuinely agreed with me that Lil Uzi was scum or, at least, that his content was bad. Read:

Lean-Town.

JaeReed: This guy has been up my ass all game. I hate being buddied truthfully even though that's hypocritical since I tend to buddy a lot myself. Anyways he basically made me the town doublevoter that day everywhere I voted he voted. Is this scummy? Kinda. Does that make me fos him? Not really, but it does make me want to put him on close watch, even though I really liked his reactions to a few things. Read:

Null.

Hermie: His vote was on me for the longest of time, and the reasons for it were bad, but not exactly scummy. I don't know why though when he doubted his read on me he immediately decided to sheep me. That's putting a lot of trust in someone he formerly thought was scum. I can understand the likes of mhsmith and Jae sheeping me, but Hermie? I truthfully think that this was the scum on the wagon. Read:

Lean Scum.

Io: She's been my hardest townread all game. I'm gonna disclose right now that we aren't actually masons, it was only banter. I'm sure most of you knew, but there are some people that genuinely question it. I saw Io play scum in my Fire n Ice game and her scum game is insanely different from her town game. Her reactions have been fairly genuine and her tone is really towny. Scum CAN fake it, but this is definitely Town!Io here. Read:

Town.

Impoetic: I might need to re-ISO her since she's a controversial player, but I've played thousands of games with her off site. I'm bad at reading her in chat mafia but I'm pretty good at reading her in the long drawn-out games. However that's not always. I don't think her vote was tactical, rather, just voting someone she thought was scum, or scummy. Read:

Null-Town.

NON-UZI WAGONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(L-6)

gerryoat

-

Lil Uzi Vert

<-------------------------- lol

As for the rest, I do hold a read of which yields 2 scum in the bloc of {rb, Burger, CCC}. All 3 of them defended Uzi and I feel for 2 of them it was defense on a scummy town slot for them to get another mislynch and save Uzi for another day. In their defense: there was a lolhammer, and if they wanted to properly defend Uzi, they couldn't exactly do such.

(L-6) VWXYZ - rb
(L-6) Cloudkicker - Burgerking
Not Voting: VWXYZ, CCC, CloudKicker

V and Cloud are town I'm pretty sure. I may need to reread both ISOs, but I'm not concerned about either of them right now.

rb: I think most of his votes have been fairly inconsistent. IIRC, he had a fos on someone (Cloud???) but then RVS'd VWXYZ, and parked his vote there for quite some time due to his "explosion". While his explosion was bad, he agreed with me that he was better off being vigged rather than lynched, yet his vote was parked on V for quite a long time, without pursuing his vote on another slot. His day 1 was pretty bad and inconsistent. And I didn't like his defense on Uzi. He was right, but scum do know who's town and who isn't, and I feel like he used that information to his advantage. rb isn't really interacting with Burger or CCC so I'm pretty sure he's surely scum here. His vote on CCC was really bad, even though it could've been him voting scum. I can see a bus there. Read:

Scum.

Burgerking: His entrance was fucking awful. His vote on Io was even worse. He overanalyzed all the mshmith-Io interactions. Then just shadethrew the rest of D1. His D2 hasn't been much better. His vote on CCC looked pretty tactical. Then I unvote and he unvotes because he was "building pressure". I don't think those were his intentions. CCC didn't even react to his vote, or any other vote by the time he had unvoted so that was clearly not his intention. There is a chance though that he's just really awful town, but I'm leaning heavily towards no. Read:

Lean Scum.

CCC: His reads this game are awful, and his "one of Trans/Uzi is scum" thing was really bad. But I gave him benefit of the doubt because Uzi was just horrible and I didn't think he'd associate with Uzi if he were mafia the way he did. Now that Uzi has flipped town, he hasn't done anything to pressure me at all. He's been more focused on Jae. Like there's even been a forming bandwagon on me and he still doesn't pressure me when I'm "poe scum" to him. However, the votes from rb and Burgerking on him were awful. Right now, I'm gonna agree with Smith here and say he's scummy but that there's a lot of scummier people. Read:

Null-Scum.

IMO one of {Jae,Hermie} with a fairly strong lean on Hermie and two of {rb, Burger, CCC} where I'm fairly certain rb is one of them.

TL;DR.

{Io}

{mhsmith0, VWXYZ, CloudKicker}

{Impoetic}

{JaeReed}

{CCC}

{Burgerking, Hermie}

{rb}

VOTE: rb

[Transcend]

OH AND ONE FINAL IMPORTANT THING:

Jae/CCC are not on a scum team together. I'm. Pretty. Sure.

So if Jae ends up flipping wolf, then his partners should be Burger and rb.

If CCC is mafia then Hermie is a partner and the other one is up in the air, but probably rb.

Either way, rb is on any scum team here.

[Transcend]

i agree that guy made bad posts

VOTE: CCC

hmmph yes i was uh trying to build up the pressure on cccc. i actually like this vote better

VOTE: Hermie

Analyzing Burger's page 34 (and a brief bit of 35) I really doubt he votes both his scum partners within a span of 5 posts. So yeah.

His vote on Hermie looks like a bus though, as it was meatless and he acquiesced to someone else rather quickly, so I'm gonna cross out CCC/Burger being on a scum team for now.

Which proves that rb is even more scum.

Honestly I truly feel like I solved this motherfucking game already.

rb/Burger/Hermie gg.

[rb]

that post is way too long and tryhard for me to respond to in-depth while on V/LA and moving house but i think ur town anyway so i cbf arguing in depth, but:

- it was actually gerry who i suspected day 1 and i did vote him, i didn't "keep" my rvs vote
- it's very common for me as town to refuse to lynch certain slots day1 - i think most towns play rly shit on day 1 and now that the game is over, I can reference Newbie 1740 where Uzi got mislynched. his defense was weak and he was inconsistent af about things, but he was genuinely trying in his own way and i felt that here as well. day 1 is about making mountains out of molehils and Uzi's game was similar enough to what i'd already seen that i preferred to not lynch him day1

[JaeReed]

@Trans I thought smith said CCC was townish for him tho.

I really feel strongly about CCC more than anyone else in this game.

But the wk of uzi d1 from rb was awful too so bleh. :/ I kinda liked the way he essentially chainsawed for me tho. I guess it could have been attempted buddying. It felt more natural than Burger's vote on CCC to me tho.

Anyway yeah...

Lynches I'd love: CCC
Lynches I'd settle for: Burger, rb, hermie

Really I just want CCC to eat rope and it's getting harder to see outside that tunnel. Can we just do that instead? I'm way more confident there. One of rb/bk was bussing/distancing with the vote pile on. I doubt both were.

[Transcend]

that post is way too long and tryhard for me to respond to in-depth while on V/LA and moving house but i think ur town anyway so i cbf arguing in depth, but:

- it was actually gerry who i suspected day 1 and i did vote him, i didn't "keep" my rvs vote
- it's very common for me as town to refuse to lynch certain slots day1 - i think most towns play rly shit on day 1 and now that the game is over, I can reference Newbie 1740 where Uzi got mislynched. his defense was weak and he was inconsistent af about things, but he was genuinely trying in his own way and i felt that here as well. day 1 is about making mountains out of molehils and Uzi's game was similar enough to what i'd already seen that i preferred to not lynch him day1

who's scum then

[JaeReed]

This guy has been up my ass all game.

Why you clampin your tail down bro?
I'm just tryin to say hello!