Open 656- Tit For Tat - Endgame

[farside22]

Hey all.
I'll read up on this sometime today.
I should be sleeping.

[farside22]

scum posting

great point, why no vote?

:roll eyes:
Drop mic

Vote: gamma emerald

Alban goes into vi pile.

Read his posts with the voice of a Sith Lord; it doesn't matter which one. It doesn't even effect the tone; that's not a good sign.

Scum read on NJAC and Kopp as well for different reasons.

Stopped reading at page 11.
Will finish later.

[farside22]

farside22 replaces Sgz13. Please welcome her!

WOOF WOOF :^)

Howl!

How are you doing trouble maker?

I don't think any of Kop, Farside, Persephone or NJAC are in danger of being NK'ed either.

I'm just getting started here. I could spam the thread if you want.
I like most of your list.

[farside22]

people who dont vote for texcat in their next posts will be considered to be scumclaiming and will be appropriately vigged tonight by my mercy.

Dances on line.

Hi Farside.

HI.

scum posting

I don't understand how this is "scum posting". Is it because I removed my vote?

Kop post are just a bunch of questions, that's not a good thought process. Your reasoning look fake.

[farside22]

This feels like the best vote.
VOTE: alban

@Alban the fact you said RVS makes it look like you are afraid about your vote meaning something. The reason why being a newb matters is because I did the exact same thing as town in my first game.

UNVOTE: Kop

Kop seems reasonable and logical, at least in my opinion. For my new vote, I'm in between FancyPants and Hark because I just find it odd that Fancy voted for Alban for his vote against Campion because he said it was a random vote. (Hope that made sense? lol) Isn't that what this vote is supposed to be? And Hark was immediately like "Oh, Fancy must be town."

That's my feelings on one little thing, though.

I don't know who to vote for yet... Nothing's really raised any red flags for me yet.

Also I don't see why the fancy pant was an issue till much later.
That why it reads fake.

[farside22]

Sorry I grabbed quotes for Gamma to explain my scum read further and got side tracked.

[farside22]

If you say so. I just saw some logic in what Kop said. If agreeing with logic that makes sense makes me a bad guy, then I guess I'm a bad guy.

What looks logical?

You are totally the bad guy.
In other news, why hasn't texcat been lynched?

I'm indifferent to textcat.

[farside22]

I'm indifferent to textcat.

So what's your read on the people pushing it, that seems at least with talking about.

You and Hark are the ones who seem to push text the most.
Then you have eager and Kop who really said jack about him and I go thanks, but no thanks to the wagon.

[farside22]

I'm indifferent to textcat.

So what's your read on the people pushing it, that seems at least with talking about.

You and Hark are the ones who seem to push text the most.
Then you have eager and Kop who really said jack about him and I go thanks, but no thanks to the wagon.

So you don't have reads on the people on the wagon either?

Pretty sure I said I'm scum reading Kop.
I agree with yuria that eager feels off.
Not sure how you get no reads from those on the wagon.

[farside22]

NJAC bus texcat for towncred

I'd vote NJAC.
Last time I played with text he read horribly scummy and was town.
He actually reads better then I remember him, so I'm not sure why he reads scum.

[farside22]

VOTE: Njac

[farside22]

VOTE: NJAC

Why?

[farside22]

I'm town

Yeah, very good post. I'm happy with my vote on you.

this

VOTE: alban

Cause that RVS thing.

I don't like this vote, call it gut:

VOTE: Sgz13

Finished reading.

@Gamma: your vote on alban is different from Sgz's. What's your point?

this

HI Mr vague, how are you.
That's just a bunch of quotes.
Why are they scummy?

[farside22]

What is this quick wagon on NJAC?
Surprising even though I suspect him too.

You're voting him too dude.

Yes, I know that. I also haven't explained my scum read.
You on the other hand are a scum read as well so........??

[farside22]

Yulia I'm very confused. Do you think Kop is scum?
One post reads like your not sure and the other supports a vig kill.

[farside22]

Fair enough.
He's one of four scum reads I have.
His questions to me just read as filler, they don't really go anywhere.

[farside22]

Farside already mentioned that NJAC is a scum read, but it seems only to be a scum read OMGUS considering NJAC has been on farside for half of his posts?

@Farside, can you also do the same, just so that it doesn't feel like it's OMGUS, and that you actually suspect NJAC and it's not OMGUS.

Ummm I know my train of thought was missing but how can you think NJAC is town?

He's made one scum read, off a newb, and has stated no other reads in the game.

I've played with the dude and he fumbles as town, he is a bit foot in mouth but one read off weak reason's.
You tell me why you aren't voting him other then quick wagon?

[farside22]

mod: fix quote above please

[farside22]

@farside can you point me in the direction I said NJAC is town?

I don't see why you'd be concern of a quick wagon if you were scum reading the guy.

Harkonnen97, FancyPants, farside22, GammaEmerald

I remember promising myself I would stop analyzing who was on a train before a damn flip, but beyond FancyPants here. I don't trust the judgement of any of the players on this lynch (Maybe Farside if she could show me an alignment), so I am wondering why its the leading wagon.

I also strangely feel the same way Farside felt about Texcat wagon. Indifferent and don't want to support it.

Why is text scum?

[farside22]

I have four strong townreads.
This game is going to be a lock.

@farside can you point me in the direction I said NJAC is town?

I don't see why you'd be concern of a quick wagon if you were scum reading the guy.

Harkonnen97, FancyPants, farside22, GammaEmerald

I remember promising myself I would stop analyzing who was on a train before a damn flip, but beyond FancyPants here. I don't trust the judgement of any of the players on this lynch (Maybe Farside if she could show me an alignment), so I am wondering why its the leading wagon.

I also strangely feel the same way Farside felt about Texcat wagon. Indifferent and don't want to support it.

Why is text scum?

I agree with your point, but I wasn't scum reading NJAC, nor town reading him. I just didn't agree with how quickly the wagon formed. If he was a scum read of mine, I'd have joined on the votes, but he's a coin flip for me right now.

[farside22]

One day I will remember to preview my post, fa the top quote was because I wanted to see what your scum reads are.

[farside22]

[farside22]

You make my head hurt fa.

I've asked 3 times why text is scum.

[farside22]

I think NJAC is the VI. I think scum plays a lot more carefully than he does.

Farside and Gamma instantly sheeped NJAC as soon as you Harkonnen said that. What did Gamma say? "this. this. this." More manufactured tells.

I'm not sure what farside is. She reads somewhat town, but she's very experienced so I don't know. I liked her initially for pushing on Gamma but then she dropped the vote and went on NJAC. Just like that. He wasn't even one of her scum reads. She could have been bussing Gamma for all I know.

Yuria, Kop and Harkonnen feel town for now.

I think Fire Assassin feels town, too.

Unsure on FancyPants, but if Gamma is scum, I doubt Fancy is scum.

Not a lot on eagersnake or persephone. Eager is the more suspicious of the two.

Texcat looks scummy. But the fact everyone else think she is scummy makes me doubt that read somewhat. Then again, why are so few people voting her?

NJAC is most likely a VI.

I have NJAC on my scum list at the end of my post.

His game here as I said is nothing like are last game together.
He's more lurky, only one scum read, nothing else of value here.

I don't disagree with Gamma, he completely in gores my question plus you have the hark scum read to sheeping hark.

Yes I think they are scum together.
Look how little Gamma has tried to push that scum read.

[farside22]

Because he's an easy lynch and they are the ones who made it happen. Harkonnen drove the wagon, but they are the ones who gave it momentum. Also they never had strong suspicions on him, they only hopped on the lynch once a universal town read invited people to do it. I guess they thought they can try to shift the blame onto Hark tomorrow, and claim how scummy NJAC was and how they were all doing us a favour.

(Again, this is only if NJAC is town. If he's scum, then I don't know.)

Maybe. Town could just have been wrong in that scenario though. I would be more interested in the people who "knew" the NJAC wagon was a bad one, he hasn't done anything that screams town in my estimation.

Who are these people other than me? Alban (whom I replaced) suspected NJAC, too. Like, everyone is saying NJAC is scummy but somehow can't quite put their finger on it. His reads are weak. So are Gamma's and Eager's reads. Where are their wagons? He hasn't said a whole lot. Neither has eager. Where's that wagon?

NJAC didn't panic with the sudden lynch on him. I think that's a town reaction. I agree his reads are weak, but it feels like he's relying more on intuition and can't quite express himself in words. He doesn't nitpick the way Gamma does.

I also think it's very scumvenient that NJAC's wagon appeared this close to the deadline when it would be too late to derail it. I feel like if NJAC was scum, his partners wouldn't have allowed that to happen. They would have steered it towards some other lurker. Who gains anything by bussing NJAC right now? I don't think anybody does.

@Eager, I would appreciate it if you felt like explaining your Kop vote.
Additionally do you have a few likely scum reads, other than Kop?

@Persephone, if you were absolutely forced to kill someone this second, who would it be and why?

These are good questions. I like FancyPants.

Are you blantenly ignoring my post?
NJAC just said he was busy that means nothing.

Here was the recent game were he fought when he was wagoned.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Tell me why he's town?

[farside22]

Actually I really didn't see your last post. I'm sorry about that. I thought before you voted him you were saying he plays scummy when he is town, which is why I was very baffled at you sheeping that wagon.

If you think Gamma is scum with NJAC, why is Gamma bussing NJAC right now? Like, what does he gain from that? Even if NJAC flips scum, I wouldn't give Gamma *any* towncredit for it.

I said NJAC was town because I think he just isn't very good at putting his thoughts into words and is trying to rely more on intuition for his reads. He isn't nitpicking or changing his FOS at first convenience. Then again, I hadn't seen his previous game until now. I have to note he *is* playing a little different this time. I just don't know if it's enough to make me want to vote him over Gamma.

Most players ignore those that jump on the wagon in my experience. They write it off and look off the wagon.

You are one of the few other then me that thinks the dude is scummy. I can just see him skating by.

I'm good with the Gamma vote.
You want a wagon?

VOTE: Gamma

Lets review him.

The call out of hark as scum. then following him.
The weak pushes.
tr on Text cat keeping this for later
calling out NJAC for following, nothing until wagon started
The multitude of scum reads based on nothing at all, IE keeping his options open.
Add to the links I used when I read to the game.

[farside22]

because from my short experience with him, id say that everything that he has done so far is completely null for his meta

Do you townread and scumread people based on how much you personally like them?

If not - what does ego have to do with my alignment?

No, I don't townread or scumread people based on that.

Your ego posts are not good content, they don't help to game solve, they're fluff. They're not townish.

I think I need to meta check someone.

*cough gamma cough*

Looks at deadline clock.....I have time.

[farside22]

Kop is also town. I like his 477.

Gamma looks scummy.

Farside's posts seem similar to those of a game I played with her and she was scum. Still scum reading this slot.

HI Mr. Vague you care to explain or you throwing shit to see where it sticks.

The amount of hypocrisy I've read from NJAC makes me want to drink a lot.

[farside22]

I got through 2 of Gamma's games and I have to ask, hark how is this game the same as your referring to?

[farside22]

and yet your vote is on Gamma

I scum read them both.

You may have missed that meno.

Gives meno to hark

States:

Farside thinks njac/Gamma scum together.

You've been served.

[farside22]

njac already claimed
gamma hasnt

njac is at L-2
Gamma needs alot more votes to get lunched

we are running out of time

are u srlsy telling me town!farside considers that placing her vote on gamma instead of NJAC is better, with all of that in mind ¿¿¿

Sigh fine.
VOTE: njac

i cant tell u

it would break a rule ;(

Ah.

Well the 2 games I found he didn't have multiple reads like he does here.
He's pretty tunneling kind of guy.

[farside22]

Here was the recent game were he fought when he was wagoned.

viewtopic.php?t=68163&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=19115&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go

Tell me why he's town?

Tell me why I'm scum.

What do exactly you see in that ISO that makes you think my alignment in this game is different from that game?

On the other hand, your ISO in that game (in which you were scum) shows a similar posting style to this one.

Farside already mentioned that NJAC is a scum read, but it seems only to be a scum read OMGUS considering NJAC has been on farside for half of his posts?

@Farside, can you also do the same, just so that it doesn't feel like it's OMGUS, and that you actually suspect NJAC and it's not OMGUS.

Ummm I know my train of thought was missing but how can you think NJAC is town?

He's made one scum read, off a newb, and has stated no other reads in the game.

I've played with the dude and he fumbles as town, he is a bit foot in mouth but one read off weak reason's.
You tell me why you aren't voting him other then quick wagon?

Some player that claimed to read the game is making busy work here.

[farside22]

What's your read on farside, @Gamma?

My iso isn't that big to find that already explained.

Why did you vote me two posts in a row?

To try to gain more attention towards your wagon.

Farside is a minor scum read, her scum reads seem pretty convinient.
Would you mind posting that Gamma scum game?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68299
My scum game.

About farside: I kinda feel like she is town with how she has been playing, may reISO and try to reorganize because I've mostly been playing the forward game.

Not liking farside's early posts on reread. They were a large part of why I townread them so that is a major change.
VOTE: farside22

Look at that scum 180 degree turn around.
Fascinating.

[farside22]

I don't really like Farside as an alternative to NJAC.

Textcat or Persephone would be better.

No man, those are not good lynches. Well, maybe texcat is a good one (though I need to reread and see if my wagon was indeed a counter wagon of texcat's).

Farside is an awesome wagon. You should really trust me with this one.

@All: Vote farside for epic D1 scum lynch.

idk, it just sounds like NJAC knows farside is scum

if he flips scum, vig pls shoot farside.

He went from calling gamma scum to town all in one swoop.
Yeah if you don't see that as scum buddies helping get each other I can't help you.

[farside22]

Farside is a minor scum read, her scum reads seem pretty convinient.
Would you mind posting that Gamma scum game?

Says what?
No seriously tell me what Crack your selling.
Gamma scum read when no one had one?
Kop scum read when no one has one.
Njac and perseph scum reads that no one was pushing till I replaced?

What game are you reading?

[farside22]

This is me calling Persephone scum now so I can brag about it at the end of the game.

In other news I'm really not sold on Farside.

Njac/gamma/persephone

Problem solved.

[farside22]

Farside want to address my case?

The textcat points?

What's your read on farside, @Gamma?

My iso isn't that big to find that already explained.

Why did you vote me two posts in a row?

To try to gain more attention towards your wagon.

Farside is a minor scum read, her scum reads seem pretty convinient.
Would you mind posting that Gamma scum game?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68299
My scum game.

About farside: I kinda feel like she is town with how she has been playing, may reISO and try to reorganize because I've mostly been playing the forward game.

Not liking farside's early posts on reread. They were a large part of why I townread them so that is a major change.
VOTE: farside22

Look at that scum 180 degree turn around.
Fascinating.

'Scuse me? how does that scum game relate to my vote?

I tend to grab post meaning to say something, get side tracked and post the last thing I remember in the quote log.

@mini: I explained already the 180 from them.
There scum together.
There is no way anyone can read that back and forth from NJAC and Gamma and see anything that explains why they are sheeping each other now.

[farside22]

Gamma wagons every chance he gets as town it's a NAI thing for him - he just changes his mind frequently. I think I already said this.

Link?
As I said I did a quick search and only got through 2 games that had him more tunnelling then voting whatever wagon appeared.

[farside22]

farside, you said earlier that persephone was scum.
Well, they requested to replace out.

And now they are L-1.

How about some thoughts to that if you don't want to hammer.

Can I get a response to my question please?

We got an extra day chill.

[farside22]

There is no way anyone can read that back and forth from NJAC and Gamma and see anything that explains why they are sheeping each other now.

You're lying scum. Where am I sheeping him?

Also, 695 and 697 were addressed to you, please comment/answer. And please comment my case on you in 705.

I refuse to replay a 3rd time to something I already responded.

You can keep acting like I never posted a reason but that is just a lie.

[farside22]

Gamma wagons every chance he gets as town it's a NAI thing for him - he just changes his mind frequently. I think I already said this.

Link?
As I said I did a quick search and only got through 2 games that had him more tunnelling then voting whatever wagon appeared.

In this mini normal he was town and on the following wagons-

D1- Grendel, CCC, Square World, CCC, Manuel87, eagerSnake,

D2- CCC, VictorDeAngelo,

D3- The_Jester, gerryoat, Huntress,

D4- malpascp

So, 6 wagons D1, 2 wagons D2, 3 wagons D3, and then the only wagon D4

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Ummm maybe I'm wrong but I'll see if I'm crazy when I ask one simple thing.
You do realize hes tunneling the same 3 players for a good part of day 1, how does that read the same thing here?

[farside22]

Gamma wagons every chance he gets as town it's a NAI thing for him - he just changes his mind frequently. I think I already said this.

Link?
As I said I did a quick search and only got through 2 games that had him more tunnelling then voting whatever wagon appeared.

In this mini normal he was town and on the following wagons-

D1- Grendel, CCC, Square World, CCC, Manuel87, eagerSnake,

D2- CCC, VictorDeAngelo,

D3- The_Jester, gerryoat, Huntress,

D4- malpascp

So, 6 wagons D1, 2 wagons D2, 3 wagons D3, and then the only wagon D4

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

In order for it to be NAI you need to show that he jumps on the same amount of wagons as scum. That scum Gamma game he seemed less "wagony". Which implies Gamma is just a wagon jumper as town.

I saw his scum game that was linked that was very wishy washy, I just don't see his town game here either.

farside, you said earlier that persephone was scum.
Well, they requested to replace out.

And now they are L-1.

How about some thoughts to that if you don't want to hammer.

Can I get a response to my question please?

We got an extra day chill.

are you not reading the game?

Yes dear.
I also saw the dude your voting is at L_2.

Happy scum day btw.

*Looks at number of years on MS.
Shudders*

[farside22]

Gamma wagons every chance he gets as town it's a NAI thing for him - he just changes his mind frequently. I think I already said this.

Link?
As I said I did a quick search and only got through 2 games that had him more tunnelling then voting whatever wagon appeared.

In this mini normal he was town and on the following wagons-

D1- Grendel, CCC, Square World, CCC, Manuel87, eagerSnake,

D2- CCC, VictorDeAngelo,

D3- The_Jester, gerryoat, Huntress,

D4- malpascp

So, 6 wagons D1, 2 wagons D2, 3 wagons D3, and then the only wagon D4

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Ummm maybe I'm wrong but I'll see if I'm crazy when I ask one simple thing.
You do realize hes tunneling the same 3 players for a good part of day 1, how does that read the same thing here?

Wow cannot read there's five separate people there. The point is not that I'm not tunnely as town: it's that I vote wildly as town.

HI I'm farside, I'm a known tunneler, I reconize tunneling for what it is. Wildly voting is not what I would describe from the game links I've seen.

[farside22]

Takes a deep breath.
A couple of things.
Mini: you stated concern at the quick wagon on njac, why are you fine with perse?
Looked around the site and perse doesn't appear to be in any other games.
I don't get the replace out, but he wasn't under any pressure at all to call it scummy.

Njac: what is your read on perse and why? What's the difference between perse and the player i replaced?

[farside22]

Some player that claimed to read the game is making busy work here.

Nah, you have to try better than this.

You have only played one game with me. In that game I was town and you scum. My ISO in that game not being identical to this one is a result of many things, including me not having enough time for this game earlier. You really have to elaborate why those subtles meta differences make me scum.

As I see it you're just trying to overjustify a supposed scum read on me, by bringing that ISO and making me look bad, without actual evidence.

Try again scum.

Where did you tunnel on one read in that game? which I said in this game. Your lurking here. Which looking at your posting on site: http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?s ... &start=100
Yes you took time off I don't dispute that.
I'm saying you made more reads in our last game and was more foot in mouth, which none of that is here.

I also asked you to share what you see as similar? Which you avoided responding to at all.

[farside22]

He went from calling gamma scum to town all in one swoop.
Yeah if you don't see that as scum buddies helping get each other I can't help you

I read FancyPants' 650, I also skimmed Gamma's ISO in the game he linked. All this made me reconsider my read on him.

Did you read those?

Not all of them.
Why did you reconsider your view?
You keep being vague and explaining shit fucking all.

To summarize my case on farside:

1) Sgz's posts are the kind of posts I've seen from newb scum. His jump on alban's wagon in his first post is especially bad, like a newb scum opportunistically jumping on a forming wagon. This is mainly gut, so I admit not being a strong point of my case.

2) Meta reasons involving farside's post style matching that of a game in which I played with her and she was scum.

3) Her opportunistic jump on my wagon, while throwing shade on Gamma at the same time.

4) Add to the above Mini's 538, 539, 542 and 544.


Farside is scum my friends.

1) not me
2) vague but my style is similar to all my games. Talk to FA.
3) I think your both scum so... ??
4) that's nice.

[farside22]

And njac continues to dodge my question to him.
Fun.

[farside22]

You keep being vague

Fine, if you think I'm being vague, then ask me exactly what you want me to explain/elaborate on.

Don't you just call me scum because of that, interact with me if you're really interested in finding out my alignment.

For the 3rd fucking time what fucking things do you think is similar to our last fucking game together?

[farside22]

Who else are you scum reading NJAC and why?

[farside22]

I swear to God I'm going to start drinking one of these days.

[farside22]

It's really not your fault MDS.
Well not only, this game is massive circle jerk that I am tired of taking part in.
Worst is the farside and NJAC back and forth from last page.

I don't care if I'm right anymore, I am not seeing how this game will be fun for me.
Vote who you want to MDS, I am not bullying anyone here. Vote who you think is right.

I'm sorry.
I was just feeling frustrated.
I'll step back if it helps, I'm trying to work on not being that asshat

[farside22]

I like yuria thoughts.
I've seen newb scum be both lost and faking bring lost and making weak pushes.
I've also replaced into newb players that play just awful.

Usually the easiest newb to read are those that are more open.
The rest has become NAI for me.

[farside22]

The whole quick wagon on NJAC makes me want to scream.
Why is njac wagon suspect and not the perse?
Why is one wagon more uncomfortable then the other?

I want someone who has said NJAC wagon looks to quick to respond.

[farside22]

I'm not following the scummy one.

[farside22]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[farside22]

Farside didn't you just say you were super uncomfortable with Flubber's wagon?

No I was asking for those to explain why they weren't uncomfortable with the wagon.
Mostly because I think for sure njac is scum.

I mean you realize the dude has yet to explain any other scum read, avoided responding to my question and just jumped on a wagon for no reason.

[farside22]

NJAC is getting vigged tonight anyway.

Why do you think Flubbernugget is a better lynch than texcat?

Perse post I linked, when I asked him about what he like about Kop post he replaced oit.
Add njac voting the counter wagon and consider me thrilled with my vote.

[farside22]

This is terrible.

Vote: njac

[farside22]

UNVOTE: Kop

Kop seems reasonable and logical, at least in my opinion. For my new vote, I'm in between FancyPants and Hark because I just find it odd that Fancy voted for Alban for his vote against Campion because he said it was a random vote. (Hope that made sense? lol) Isn't that what this vote is supposed to be? And Hark was immediately like "Oh, Fancy must be town."

That's my feelings on one little thing, though.

I still feel suspicion towards FancyPants and Hark for the reason I stated before. Just so I don't have a no-vote on my record, I'm gonna VOTE: Hark. And there's still time left in the voting, so I can change it later if need be.

I still have suspicions with Hark and FancyPants. Though Eagersnake and FireAssassin are coming off rather aggressive. At least in my opinion. Maybe aggressive isn't the right word? Pushy sounds a little better, I guess. Like they're super eager to get a lynch. Especially when FireAssassin mentioned that the game was moving too slow.

Perse was suspicious of the hark/fancy pants town read.
He thought the more aggressive players were scummy.
Flubbernugget never caught up from what I read.
Textcat suspected fire.

[farside22]

@Hark, can you summarize why you want to see NJAC lynched?

I still think FA, Hark, and the Gamma slot are most likely town but I need a reread.

Ask njac who he scum reads and why he voted textcat.
He's pretty great at dodging questions.

[farside22]

I am considering a gamma wagon, but Persephone was vigged so I think that's pointless?

Explain this, please. Why is a Gamma wagon pointless given that Perse/Flubber was vigged?

Questions not responding to.

Who else is scum?

How is this game like our last game together?

New questio: why did you prefer texcat?

[farside22]

And I'm happy with my vote.

[farside22]

And I'm happy with my vote.

You mean, happy like when scum are happy because the mislynch they're pushing is gaining traction?

Happy lynching obvious scum.

The amount of times of saying your in catch up with no other scum reads.
Opportunitistic jump on textcat and vague reasons for your scum read.
Oh wait apparently thinking I'm scum for voting you while still scum reading someone and you do the same thing.
Pffffffffffffffffffffffft

[farside22]

The amount of times of saying your in catch up with no other scum reads.
Opportunitistic jump on textcat and vague reasons for your scum read.
Oh wait apparently thinking I'm scum for voting you while still scum reading someone and you do the same thing.

1) What's wrong with not having other scum reads? What are your other scum reads? Also I said my wagon could be a counter wagon of texcat's, so I had a slight scum read on that slot. I'm currently saying that Harko could be scum, so that's another scum read.

2) I already explained my vote on texcat. I don't consider the reasons for my vote vague, I've been very concise about them.

3) Please elaborate in this one, because I'm not following what you're saying. What same thing did I do?

1) means your not giving reads and scum struggle to make cases or reads more,.where did the hark read even come from.

2) let's review that read on text

Spoiler:

I think texcat is lynchbait. You should sheep me.

texcat is a VI
it looks like ur case on her doesnt take that into consideration

I kind of agree with this.

Y'know I've been thinking that my wagon could have been a counter wagon to texcat's wagon. Thoughts anyone?

I don't really like Farside as an alternative to NJAC.

Textcat or Persephone would be better.

No man, those are not good lynches. Well, maybe texcat is a good one (though I need to reread and see if my wagon was indeed a counter wagon of texcat's).

Farside is an awesome wagon. You should really trust me with this one.

farside is still scum.

If I have to pick between Flubber and texcat, I'm voting texcat:

VOTE: texcat

Ask njac who he scum reads and why he voted textcat.
He's pretty great at dodging questions

I scum read you. I voted texcat because I preferred that slot being lynched over Flubber/Perse's.

What questions did I dodge?

Goes from calling text vi to possible counter to you (fake) to better wagon, yeah some great reasons there.

3) you voted text while calling me scum.

[farside22]

Hi Infinity.
Can you summarize your scum reads?

[farside22]

The amount of times of saying your in catch up with no other scum reads.
Opportunitistic jump on textcat and vague reasons for your scum read.
Oh wait apparently thinking I'm scum for voting you while still scum reading someone and you do the same thing.

1) What's wrong with not having other scum reads? What are your other scum reads? Also I said my wagon could be a counter wagon of texcat's, so I had a slight scum read on that slot. I'm currently saying that Harko could be scum, so that's another scum read.

2) I already explained my vote on texcat. I don't consider the reasons for my vote vague, I've been very concise about them.

3) Please elaborate in this one, because I'm not following what you're saying. What same thing did I do?

1) means your not giving reads and scum struggle to make cases or reads more,.where did the hark read even come from.

2) let's review that read on text

Spoiler:

I think texcat is lynchbait. You should sheep me.

texcat is a VI
it looks like ur case on her doesnt take that into consideration

I kind of agree with this.

Y'know I've been thinking that my wagon could have been a counter wagon to texcat's wagon. Thoughts anyone?

I don't really like Farside as an alternative to NJAC.

Textcat or Persephone would be better.

No man, those are not good lynches. Well, maybe texcat is a good one (though I need to reread and see if my wagon was indeed a counter wagon of texcat's).

Farside is an awesome wagon. You should really trust me with this one.

farside is still scum.

If I have to pick between Flubber and texcat, I'm voting texcat:

VOTE: texcat

Ask njac who he scum reads and why he voted textcat.
He's pretty great at dodging questions

I scum read you. I voted texcat because I preferred that slot being lynched over Flubber/Perse's.

What questions did I dodge?

Goes from calling text vi to possible counter to you (fake) to better wagon, yeah some great reasons there.

3) you voted text while calling me scum.

I find the argument about the read switch on tex pretty compelling actually

Why?

Also I find your scum reads highly questionable.
You stated in one post my play reminds me of my town play, but you list me as scum.

[farside22]

Ok lol the only person I don't have listed is NJAC. So it's him along with maybe you, eager, and kop

Tell me how I misunderstood this comment Infinity
Also, why no vote?

[farside22]

@Farside, care to speculate on possible scum partners if NJAC is scum?

Eager, infinity, paranoid person inside of me has fire in that group.

[farside22]

Oh and I had a note that Fancy was commenting about my attack on NJAC. I started attacking him on day 1, but fire got pissy and I've had a few players tell me lately I've become a bit overbearing with my constant fighting, so I'm doing my best not to be a shrilling bitch.
A huge part of me want to reach into the game and shake people when I see njac just floating by with the same point over and over and no one seems to notice.

[farside22]

The longer eager doesn't post more I think he is scum.

I don't disagree with you there.

[farside22]

That is some heavy bussing I'm being accused of on a wagon that is been stagnant and switched to text day 1.
I'm fascinated.

[farside22]

What does the wagon stalling and switching to tex have to do with anything? I didn't read eod1 yet but maybe you wanted towncred but didn't want scum lynch d1.

The contradiction to this post on the same page can't be seen. You just me.

I'm not rly sure why NJACis being run up either

If I had a gun I'd shot one of the 2 of you currently.

[farside22]

What does the wagon stalling and switching to tex have to do with anything? I didn't read eod1 yet but maybe you wanted towncred but didn't want scum lynch d1.

The random scramble at the end with gamma, NJAC, and persph getting wagoned and texcat getting lynched probably says something, but idk what. What do people think

PEdit: idk, why? You didn't seem to have a lot of content posts anyway

For anyone not paying attention at home.
Infinity question looks fake because he right away notes the wagon onto text.

[farside22]

What does the wagon stalling and switching to tex have to do with anything? I didn't read eod1 yet but maybe you wanted towncred but didn't want scum lynch d1.

The random scramble at the end with gamma, NJAC, and persph getting wagoned and texcat getting lynched probably says something, but idk what. What do people think

PEdit: idk, why? You didn't seem to have a lot of content posts anyway

For anyone not paying attention at home.
Infinity question looks fake because he right away notes the wagon onto text.

But WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR ALIGNMENT

Dude you read the end of day, did it actually look like I really wanted to not want to lynch njac?
Text wagon took over and as I showed already the weak jump from njac.
Town credit is just a bs hypothetical to throw shade.

[farside22]

I think you were stuck into voting NJAC at that point if you're scum with him

I'm doing a VCA. At first sight farside is obvscum. More later...

This coming from the same person who says he'll read and get more scum reads and swears vagueness should be enough.

I swear I'm going to start drinking

[farside22]

If I'm scum why don't I just hammer NJAC?

He's your scum buddy.
Wifom is pretty much who cares.
How about this, if you were actually scum hunting, you'd be voting someone.

[farside22]

And the embarrassing thing realizing eager us voting someone.
I missed it with the lack of push.

[farside22]

My reads this game make me want to vomit.
Great shot by the vig.

I need to reread this to see if any interactions help.

[farside22]

I read Kop to. I can't see the vote on eager and then calling him a town lean scum interaction.
Also another thing was how Kop interacts with Gamma and agreeing with him but then list him as scum when others suspect Gamma.
The fire read comes out of left field.......
It's hard for me to take njac read since he scum read me for reasons that just made no sense.
Still I'm going to reread hark.

[farside22]

Fire and Infinity what are your current scum reads?

[farside22]

I reread hark. I have a few mental notes but I'm waiting for the other 2 first.

[farside22]

VOTE: fire

Would also vote hark (insert replacement name here

[farside22]

VOTE: fire

Would also vote hark (insert replacement name here

I am not getting lynched Farside.
I am confirmed town.

Now explain this scummy vote.

I see nothing town.

VOTE: fire

Would also vote hark (insert replacement name here

Farside will you share why you think FA is scum?
Also why you think Eager is a bad lynch for today.

I'm going to be blunt.

I think eager is the vig.

The kill on Kop and his read on Kop make sense to be vig.
So it's poe at this point.
I'm town reading you and based on lack of interaction I'm leaning fire and Hark.

Basically I'd lynch anyone one of fire/hark/Infinity at this point.

Explain why hark replacing reads town?
NJAC thought he was scum.

[farside22]

I'm voting scum.

[farside22]

I'm voting scum.

Explain why I am scum.

This makes zero fucking sense from my stand point on you.
I said start of this day, not sure but I think it might be you.

You play this up that you are sure that its me.

Compare this to ANY town game of yours, in this similar situation, you would be going back and forth.

This makes no sense for you to just post stuff like this.
Compare this with me, the only reason I think its more likely you is that I have no idea who Eager ally could be.

Do you read Eager as Town?
Who is my ally?

One of hark or Infinity.

Here's where I have issues with you and what id expect from town fire.
Some logic.
You know I'm not vig and fancy isn't claiming vig.
Your poe should come down like I did with those you town read and who is left.

Fire Assassin who do you think is the vig?

Infinity since Fancy already claimed he wasn't.
Are you claiming vig?

Cause even if you did, I am not moving my vote.

I see nothing town about this either.

Also not claimed is one other pr.

I think mass claim is at hand.
We just need a replacement for hark asap.

[farside22]

That replace out is scummy as shit.

[farside22]

Ted: mass claim, what is your role?

[farside22]

Ok I'm gonna have to find out the other scum but eager is the vig

UNVOTE:
VOTE: farside

What are your final scum reads?

[farside22]

Pfft.
Wow talk about cherry picking post.
You think a 180 post with nothing in between is town?
The number of tills Gamma flip flop on reads prior to my replacement does not equal town posting.
Plus as I stated attacking hark to following his read makes no sense.
Second, since your post read as IIOA, the number of times njac repeated the same thing without responding my questions was countless.

[farside22]

Look at that scum 180 degree turn around.
Fascinating.

What does scum stand to gain with a read flip on you two posts apart?

Easy wagon to jump on vs the hard one

[farside22]

Look at that scum 180 degree turn around.
Fascinating.

What does scum stand to gain with a read flip on you two posts apart?

Easy wagon to jump on vs the hard one

They wouldn't have known that two posts earlier?

No.
I say this bluntly because I was in a game where scum made weak attacks and quickly change when it goes no where.

Tell me why this is a big to do from day 1?


Mass claim talk:
Yes we should. Not sure why eager is saying no since he's been outted.
It narrows down the pool over players who are left.
We have a better chance of winning for the follow (1) vig doesn't shot the other pr who is confirmed town.
With 6 players alive you go from 5 players to analysis (not including yourself as a vt) to 3 player, meaning I would know 2 are scum left of the 3 players that in the game.

So example eager is vig. I'm town reading FP, so currently there is Ted, ironstone and Infinity I see as scum if 1 of the 3 claim a PR. I know the other 2 are scum.

[farside22]

Slowly catching up.
I'm vt.

I was hoping someone other then fancy was the last pr.

I'll say poe and iron latest post that ted/infinity are scum

[farside22]

I'm sorry, I meant jailer read.

Idk.
I thought about it and I wifom over and over.
Example one was infinity push on eager and Ted pushing me. Jk wouldn't be concerned with vig but infinity switched after without a reason for any read at all.

Overall

VOTE: infinity
He's pretty non-exsistant.

[farside22]

My current reads would be:
Infinity = Town
Farside = Town lean
Ironstove = scum lean
Twisted = Prob scum

But I think I need to do ISO's on everyone with a clear mind before I decide.

Why are you townreading reading infinity?

[farside22]

I didn't stutter

[farside22]

I didn't stutter

What does my switch from eager to you after I had already said I thought you were scum by PoE have to do with my hypothetical role as mafia?

[farside22]

^ your whole game is nothing but poe with nothing add.
That's just fact reading your iso

[farside22]

Why is that an issue? I explained my townreads didn't I?

Also you still haven't explained what that has to do with speculation about whether I'm a JK.

I didn't start that speculation.

[farside22]

Why is that an issue? I explained my townreads didn't I?

Also you still haven't explained what that has to do with speculation about whether I'm a JK.

I didn't start that speculation.

Yeah but you brought it up so you should be able to explain it...unless you're just making up bullshit.

Nope.
Why do you lie and get away with it is beyond me.

[farside22]

Farside who do you think we should Lynch first? Do you have a pr read on either of those two players?

I'm sorry, I meant jailer read.

Infinity tell me how you completely bypass these two post asking me about my read?

[farside22]

This is not difficult for anyone to see.
I didn't start the fucking conversation at all.
If you want to explain why responding to iron is scummy that's one thing, but acting like I instigated the topic at all is dumb as hell.

[farside22]

I'm sorry, I meant jailer read.

Idk.
I thought about it and I wifom over and over.
Example one was infinity push on eager and Ted pushing me. Jk wouldn't be concerned with vig but infinity switched after without a reason for any read at all.

All you have to do is explain why me switching my vote has anything to do with the possibility that I'm JK.

Why is that an issue? I explained my townreads didn't I?

Also you still haven't explained what that has to do with speculation about whether I'm a JK.

I didn't start that speculation.

Yeah but you brought it up so you should be able to explain it...unless you're just making up bullshit.

You said I brought it up.

Second I didn't say I thought you were the jk.
I thought either of you or Ted could be.
I'm voting you because of Gamma's play and your lack of figuring anyone out.

[farside22]

Spoiler:

scum posting

great point, why no vote?

:roll eyes:
Drop mic

Vote: gamma emerald

Alban goes into vi pile.

Read his posts with the voice of a Sith Lord; it doesn't matter which one. It doesn't even effect the tone; that's not a good sign.

Scum read on NJAC and Kopp as well for different reasons.

Stopped reading at page 11.
Will finish later.

people who dont vote for texcat in their next posts will be considered to be scumclaiming and will be appropriately vigged tonight by my mercy.

Dances on line.

Hi Farside.

HI.

scum posting

I don't understand how this is "scum posting". Is it because I removed my vote?

Kop post are just a bunch of questions, that's not a good thought process. Your reasoning look fake.

I'm indifferent to textcat.

So what's your read on the people pushing it, that seems at least with talking about.

You and Hark are the ones who seem to push text the most.
Then you have eager and Kop who really said jack about him and I go thanks, but no thanks to the wagon.

I'm indifferent to textcat.

So what's your read on the people pushing it, that seems at least with talking about.

You and Hark are the ones who seem to push text the most.
Then you have eager and Kop who really said jack about him and I go thanks, but no thanks to the wagon.

So you don't have reads on the people on the wagon either?

Pretty sure I said I'm scum reading Kop.
I agree with yuria that eager feels off.
Not sure how you get no reads from those on the wagon.

Yulia I'm very confused. Do you think Kop is scum?
One post reads like your not sure and the other supports a vig kill.

Fair enough.
He's one of four scum reads I have.
His questions to me just read as filler, they don't really go anywhere.

Farside is a minor scum read, her scum reads seem pretty convinient.
Would you mind posting that Gamma scum game?

Says what?
No seriously tell me what Crack your selling.
Gamma scum read when no one had one?
Kop scum read when no one has one.
Njac and perseph scum reads that no one was pushing till I replaced?

What game are you reading?

This is me calling Persephone scum now so I can brag about it at the end of the game.

In other news I'm really not sold on Farside.

Njac/gamma/persephone

Problem solved.

and yet your vote is on Gamma

I scum read them both.

You may have missed that meno.

Gives meno to hark

States:

Farside thinks njac/Gamma scum together.

You've been served.

Actually I really didn't see your last post. I'm sorry about that. I thought before you voted him you were saying he plays scummy when he is town, which is why I was very baffled at you sheeping that wagon.

If you think Gamma is scum with NJAC, why is Gamma bussing NJAC right now? Like, what does he gain from that? Even if NJAC flips scum, I wouldn't give Gamma *any* towncredit for it.

I said NJAC was town because I think he just isn't very good at putting his thoughts into words and is trying to rely more on intuition for his reads. He isn't nitpicking or changing his FOS at first convenience. Then again, I hadn't seen his previous game until now. I have to note he *is* playing a little different this time. I just don't know if it's enough to make me want to vote him over Gamma.

Most players ignore those that jump on the wagon in my experience. They write it off and look off the wagon.

You are one of the few other then me that thinks the dude is scummy. I can just see him skating by.

I'm good with the Gamma vote.
You want a wagon?

VOTE: Gamma

Lets review him.

The call out of hark as scum. then following him.
The weak pushes.
tr on Text cat keeping this for later
calling out NJAC for following, nothing until wagon started
The multitude of scum reads based on nothing at all, IE keeping his options open.
Add to the links I used when I read to the game.

I think NJAC is the VI. I think scum plays a lot more carefully than he does.

Farside and Gamma instantly sheeped NJAC as soon as you Harkonnen said that. What did Gamma say? "this. this. this." More manufactured tells.

I'm not sure what farside is. She reads somewhat town, but she's very experienced so I don't know. I liked her initially for pushing on Gamma but then she dropped the vote and went on NJAC. Just like that. He wasn't even one of her scum reads. She could have been bussing Gamma for all I know.

Yuria, Kop and Harkonnen feel town for now.

I think Fire Assassin feels town, too.

Unsure on FancyPants, but if Gamma is scum, I doubt Fancy is scum.

Not a lot on eagersnake or persephone. Eager is the more suspicious of the two.

Texcat looks scummy. But the fact everyone else think she is scummy makes me doubt that read somewhat. Then again, why are so few people voting her?

NJAC is most likely a VI.

I have NJAC on my scum list at the end of my post.

His game here as I said is nothing like are last game together.
He's more lurky, only one scum read, nothing else of value here.

I don't disagree with Gamma, he completely in gores my question plus you have the hark scum read to sheeping hark.

Yes I think they are scum together.
Look how little Gamma has tried to push that scum read.

What is this quick wagon on NJAC?
Surprising even though I suspect him too.

You're voting him too dude.

Yes, I know that. I also haven't explained my scum read.
You on the other hand are a scum read as well so........??

VOTE: Njac

NJAC bus texcat for towncred

I'd vote NJAC.
Last time I played with text he read horribly scummy and was town.
He actually reads better then I remember him, so I'm not sure why he reads scum.

njac already claimed
gamma hasnt

njac is at L-2
Gamma needs alot more votes to get lunched

we are running out of time

are u srlsy telling me town!farside considers that placing her vote on gamma instead of NJAC is better, with all of that in mind ¿¿¿

Sigh fine.
VOTE: njac

i cant tell u

it would break a rule ;(

Ah.

Well the 2 games I found he didn't have multiple reads like he does here.
He's pretty tunneling kind of guy.

VOTE: NJAC

Why?

VOTE: Flubbernugget

NJAC is getting vigged tonight anyway.

Why do you think Flubbernugget is a better lynch than texcat?

Perse post I linked, when I asked him about what he like about Kop post he replaced oit.
Add njac voting the counter wagon and consider me thrilled with my vote.

This is terrible.

Vote: njac

@Farside, care to speculate on possible scum partners if NJAC is scum?

Eager, infinity, paranoid person inside of me has fire in that group.

If I'm scum why don't I just hammer NJAC?

He's your scum buddy.
Wifom is pretty much who cares.
How about this, if you were actually scum hunting, you'd be voting someone.

And the embarrassing thing realizing eager us voting someone.
I missed it with the lack of push.

These are the important posts from farside. Farside has been all over the place this game. First, saying Kop scum. Then, saying NJAC and Gamma are scum together, and still calling Kop scum. That's all 3 scum then isn't it? Then she is still calling NJAC and Gamma scum together, but says Perse is the other scum with them, while still calling Kop scum. Then votes Flubbernugget (Perse's replacement). Then goes back to voting NJAC and when asked who NJAC's partner is says Eager, Infinity (Gamma's replace) and Fire (weakest read). What happened to Kop read? Keep in mind I've been voting Kop this entire time. Then NJAC is lynched (Town), Yuria dies (Town) and Kop dies (Scum). Infinity324, Harkonnen97, farside22, FancyPants, eagerSnake, Fire Assassin are left alive. Farside puts her vote on Fire....

ran out of time g2g

I always push my strongest scum read.
Always.

[farside22]

So fake ^

[farside22]

Here's what I have issue with infinity is he just reads to be twisting something I said into something I did not say at all.
If anyone other then Ted or inifinity think I stated infinity was jk (which I never did) van you explain how that is, because I'm not seeing it and why infinity whole attack just reads fake.

[farside22]

Farside, I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe someone can be so mind-blowingly idiotic. I never said you said I was the JK. I said I want you to EXPLAIN YOUR FUCKING POST. I want you to explain how WHETHER I AM OR AM NOT THE JK is relevant to my swap from eager to you.

I don't fucking know.
How fucking hard is that to understand.
I didn't say anyone fucking was and trying to pick at this like I'm fucking physic is dumb.

[farside22]

Not my fault you're blind.

I think we may have different opinions on the subject.

Farside, I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe someone can be so mind-blowingly idiotic. I never said you said I was the JK. I said I want you to EXPLAIN YOUR FUCKING POST. I want you to explain how WHETHER I AM OR AM NOT THE JK is relevant to my swap from eager to you.

I don't fucking know.

Then why did you talk about my vote swap in response to the question about JK reads?

Clearly I don't understand what your post meant and it would be so simple to just reword it in a way I can understand but you just

Is this what you have been yammering about?
Jeeze.
I was just thinking scum have a jk and wouldn't be worried about the vig as much.
All Ted did was come in iso me and voted me. So that was Nai and you voted eager and then after the claim switched, which is NAI.
All it was is a theory.

As for scum it's pretty fucking obvious it's Ted and Infinity.
One making a weak push and the other with literally no case.

[farside22]

The interaction between Ted and Infinity reads fake.
Infinity was already voting someone.
This back and forth is pointless.

[farside22]

I know I play too much mafia because I had a dream/nightmare that we lynched ted and he was VT and we lost the game, probably due to a game I was N1'd on ending yesterday and town losing, however despite how salty I was that I misread the game, I was pretty impressed with the farside/infinity team so gave a well played in my head.

Sounds like something I used to do.
Mine dreams were about a player doing X so I woke up at 3:00 to write a post about it.
I've ween myself from doing that.

[farside22]

Farside, what do you think about my suggested plan in 1376? Sound good?

I'm fine with Ted or Infinity lynch.

I'm not sure if the vig should claim.

mod: can scum kill and perform an ability on the same night?

I ask just in case the scum jk isn't lynched.

[farside22]

Huh I thought eager claimed.

I agree with worst town performance here.
Awful.
VOTE: ted

[farside22]

I was calling eager town.

[farside22]

Well that's just fabulous.
Scum deserve to win with this shit.

[farside22]

Meanwhile eager is gone from this game.

I think eager deserves a spot on my list of 'worst town players you can possibly get in mafia scum' thread that I'm creating.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8534997

What do you guys think?

What kills me with the slip crap was I was just responding to this comment without quoting it.

[farside22]

My buddy couldn't have hammered Ted right? He's at L-2 with my vote and I don't think you or iron was voting him.

Intent to hammer

Any last words?

All these replacements and lack of anything that came from those that are confirmed town is the reason this game has gone to shit.
I tried to at least scum hunt and poe this shit.
Gg infinity/Ted scum team.

[farside22]

Ugh this game.

A few things.
1) njac you have no clue what my scum game is. There was no thing to similar to my last game and yes I was very aware of how I played.
2) a little frustrated with the replace outs this game. Many were unwarranted.
3) mini and yuria were in my view great analysis.
I was sad to be scum this game.
4) infinty. Love you, should have paid attention to my results before voting eager.
5) game won do to iron and fancy in my view at the end.