Mini Normal 1844 Firework Mafia. Game Over

[Burgerking]

Wow, thirteen pages already, I didn't even know we were out of confirmation stage yet.

[Burgerking]

Just caught up reading (skimmed), holy crap that was a lot of filler-posts, I'll need another 10 minutes to put together my thoughts into a post.

[Burgerking]

VOTE: mhsmith0

You know why.

VOTE: transcend

Kicking his wolf ass in f3 was fun, kicking his wolf ass on day one will be even better!

Lolhammering signups and Inverse Gambler's Fallacy.
tisk tisk. You're not even trying this game.

I don't get this dig, it's page 1, the game just began. What could he have posted there to be "trying"? Does Transcend look like he was trying there?
Bad push but not necessarily scum-motive since it could just be you trying to push the game to gauge more meaningful content.

words

but all you've done is spout scum tells.

Elucidate on these "scum tells"

Where I'm at so far:

- mhsmith0 seems slightly town, I'm seeing a sign more-of town-frustration in the early pages responses to Io's horrible push
- Post 230 Impoetic is town. Solid town-vibe post, the misinterpretation of the whole "moon team" thingy is pretty towny.

VOTE: CloudKicker

This dude is just trying to fit in with the others' shitpostings but the difference is the others actually gave some relevant insight in a few posts.

[Burgerking]

Ah now you call it a "joke" NICE BACKPEDAL.

VOTE: Io

[Burgerking]

I don't see the "joke" in saying someone has spouted scumtells when they haven't. It wasn't funny and so this Io guy is most likely scum

[Burgerking]

He most likely tried to lead an early BW on smith and was unable to justify his reasons so backpedalled by claiming it was a joke. I've caught him. GG

[Burgerking]

This Transcend guy is a banned user

eliminate him from the game right now lol

[Burgerking]

In all seriousness though, Io really did backpedal hard. LIKE

[Burgerking]

I'm neither of those people trans
and rb I like this avi so ask Io to change

[Burgerking]

Having the same avatar as someone isn't impersonation and it's not against the rules. I'm not claiming to be him.
I like this avatar

[Burgerking]

I'm a funny guy, perhaps I can up my humor-level by posting a dog-pic on every page haha

[Burgerking]

i'm just an anime-lover

[Burgerking]

It's high level reaction testing, only top-tier players like myself can understand it. Lil Uzi Vert, you are a smart man.

[Burgerking]

I already PM'd the listmod to get this guy the f*ck out of the game.

Embittered.

Frustrated.

MAD.

[Burgerking]

Transcend is scum.

He's afraid of my astounding scumhunting abilities and thus wants me out of the game so he has a better chance of winning as scum.

[Burgerking]

Good Night, Sleep Tight!

[Burgerking]

i'm just an anime-lover

That's not even an anime you idiot.

But seriously you're not helping your case. By whining about me scum reading you for your half push you just end up looking childish and not even remotely serious.

i never said it was anime, i just said i love anime, you obv catfish

[Burgerking]

i think cloud is potentially town

wanna try explaining why u think so?

[Burgerking]

Like how bad of a player do you think i am impoe

[Burgerking]

i've changed my avatar fellas

[Burgerking]

just because you intend for something to be posted as a joke doesn't mean the rest of us see it as a joke. how about stop joking

[Burgerking]

You do know the not trying was saying you were being obvious scum right?
Just wnated to make sure you didn't completely miss the point which is what it sounds like.

Wait... you think I was obv!scum on page 1? And this isn't just fucking around? lol I have to hear this one. *grabs popcorn, waits with baited breath for explanation*

clearly, i wasn't the only one who thought Io's push was serious. he kept the push for a few posts in a row, why drag out a "joke" for more than one post?

[Burgerking]

VOTE: BurgerKing

Can we actually lynch this guy for not knowing what a joke is.
Either he's gullible or he is seriously reaching for an early accusation without saying I'm scum directly. That's like a 50% scum chance right there, and no one can argue with that 100% accurate number.

SO vvvvvvvvvvvv

VOTE: smith

Fucking lolhammerers

VOTE: mhsmith0

You know why.

VOTE: transcend

Kicking his wolf ass in f3 was fun, kicking his wolf ass on day one will be even better!

Lolhammering signups and Inverse Gambler's Fallacy.
tisk tisk. You're not even trying this game.

VOTE: mhsmith0

You know why.

VOTE: transcend

Kicking his wolf ass in f3 was fun, kicking his wolf ass on day one will be even better!

Lolhammering signups and Inverse Gambler's Fallacy.
tisk tisk. You're not even trying this game.

Trying is boring. Shit posting is fun!
Why do you think that not trying on page 1 is meaningful?

Adding loaded questions.
Also adding assuming my position.
I never said anything about not shitposting but all you've done is spout scum tells.

You do know the not trying was saying you were being obvious scum right?
Just wnated to make sure you didn't completely miss the point which is what it sounds like.

All of this was a joke? YEAHHHHHHHH....no

[Burgerking]

you could've tried claiming it was all a reaction test to gauge out a reaction and i might have bought it but a "joke" seems far-stretched. why did you vote me for not seeing your so-called joke but not say anything (or vote) to smith?

[Burgerking]

pedit: oh you were voting smith to begin with so scratch that. but yeah you didn't clarify it was a joke to him or say he was gullible/scummy for not seeing the joke

[Burgerking]

Sorry 2 of 12 people are apparently extremely gullible. I should just be 100% cold and serious all the time.

well no, i didnt see it as a joke because it was too unfunny to be a joke and you dragged out the push for a few posts and didn't clarify it was a joke to smith.

also:

just because you intend for something to be posted as a joke doesn't mean the rest of us see it as a joke. how about stop joking

you don't have to be cold & serious all the time, it'd just be more helpful if you didn't a plethora of miniature posts revolving around a lame-ass joke.

[Burgerking]

he was referring to me and smith. but it includes you too now.

ahhh the number of gullibles just keeps increasing. looks like we're all gullible except Io

[Burgerking]

Are you really arguing that scum would make up such an unnecessary cover-up this early? Over something they said in RVS?

yea i am arguing that. it seemed like he was trying to show he was scumhunting and then couldn't justify his push and hence proceeded to make a flimsy cover-up.

[Burgerking]

what IF i'm joking about not seeing his joke as a joke. what IF i was joking all along, i guess that'd make Io the gullible one here.

joke-ception

[Burgerking]

he's scum even if he was joking. because he still 1) continued his joke for about 4-5 more posts 2) didn't clarify it was a joke to smith who believed so 3) called me out for not seeing his joke but backed off smith and made no clear stance of his thoughts on smith (considering he claims the whole smith-read was a joke)

[Burgerking]

i'm not buying your fabricated story, scumlord

[Burgerking]

hi guys i think this vxxyz guy is probably town. 423 in particular seems somewhat genuine newb-towny

i can also see his reason for not visiting the site bc of it's format. the UI on this site rly does suck big time.

[Burgerking]

2) I wanted to flip mafia this game, and I'm fucking town

this seems legit to me

town

[Burgerking]

Actually he's likely town from a logical perspective given my perception of Gerryoat's approach to the game but I'm not sure and I think it's too soon to be sure but w/e

run me through this logical perspective

[Burgerking]

Actually he's likely town from a logical perspective given my perception of Gerryoat's approach to the game but I'm not sure and I think it's too soon to be sure but w/e

run me through this logical perspective

"Logical" was a bit of an overstatement, but that's kind of the usual when you hear that word coming from me, because what is logic, really? Anyway um yeah it's a weak read but I just think gerry would be more likely to try to participate if he were scum after being away for a while as opposed to just getting mad at the people voting him, because in my experience he has a similar opinion as I do about AtE (as in, will AtE sometimes but probably won't do it in such an unsubtle way when it's so completely unnecessary and out of the blue at least as scum? I think?) and is just an active player as both alignments and... hmm, this is hard to explain.

"I just think gerry would be more likely to try to participate if he were scum "

the epitome of irrationality

[Burgerking]

I can't find 1 post from BurgerKing that actually has them scumhunting.

ironic.

heres a few posts where i demonstrate scumhunting:

post 308
post 467

there are a bunch of other posts where i ask JaeReed, Io, Impoetic to explain things they said.

so blatant lie is blatant.

hmm let's look at u now.

post 483 - filler opening post (abt how theres a lot of pages, wanting to flip maf, calling the mod a noob etc.)
post 484 - another useless post abt how you're tired and you'll read later
post 552 - irrational logic
post 569 - another useless post abt how you're not even going to bother to read over what u missed
post 571 - u then announce that u'll skim-read and dont come back with a useful post
post 593 - useless "lol" post
post 704 - claiming to be serious about the irrational logic in post #552
post 706 - useless post
post 707 - useless post
post 712 - useless+incorrect post
post 706 - useless irony posting of facepalm emoji
post 721 - u ask someone to tell u to iso a player instead of just ISO'ing players
post 724 - useless post
post 726 - vague / lacks elaboration
post 729 - the one relevant post u made which is pretty much a BW on LUV

so u basically called me out on not scumhunting which was not only a lie but also completely ironic considerin all the posts u've made so far.

VOTE: Gerryoat

[Burgerking]

yh site went down blah blah

idk why gerry died when he was the one to hammer without asking for claim, would've been an easy for push for maf.

anyway all the people who voted lil Uzi are either mafia or bad at this game.

also
@xSoniaNevermindx is this ur first time modding? VC 1.2 was i not voting Io at that point?

[Burgerking]

i agree that guy made bad posts

VOTE: CCC

[Burgerking]

i hardclaim scum

[Burgerking]

hmmph yes i was uh trying to build up the pressure on cccc. i actually like this vote better

VOTE: Hermie

[Burgerking]

also why didnt i get prodded? i didnt post for a few days

@mod pls prod all the users who havent posted in 48hrs like you said you would on the first page. kthnxbai

[Burgerking]

hmmph yes i was uh trying to build up the pressure on cccc. i actually like this vote better

VOTE: Hermie

im almost 95% sure those weren't your intentions.

this backpedaling is terrible.

VOTE: Burgerking

questioning my towny intention is scummy

fos transcend also for the horrible push on lil uzi, he was one of the dudes mainly pushing for that bad lynch

VOTE: Transcend

[Burgerking]

yh i didnt realize he had that many votes on him. i was ok with there being a few votes on him just to see how he reacts

[Burgerking]

yh i didnt realize he had that many votes on him. i was ok with there being a few votes on him just to see how he reacts

[Burgerking]

Alright, it's kinda hard to do VCA when mod was fairly lazy throughout the whole day, and we had a hammer for about 3 days or so without knowing it, but here goes nothing. I trust that Sonia put everything chronologically here.

UZI WAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Disclaimer: Green=Conf Town, yes, I know I'm not conf town to you guys, but I don't give a fuck.

(L-0)

Lil Uzi Vert

- mhmsmith0,

Transcend

, JaeReed, Hermie, Impoetic, Io,

gerryoat

-LYNCHED

If scum strategically plotted this wagon by placing one or more of their members on this vote, that meant that scum would be in Impo, Io, and gerry. One of those is flipped town, one is my best townread and the other is also a fairly strong townread. I doubt scum!Jae and scum!Hermie would strategically L-4 and L-3 the lynch. I think the fast wagon was just due to not having a VC. I truthfully only think that there's at most (and probably) one scum that was on this mislynch.

So let's take a look at each individual member on the wagon individually.

Smith: The first vote, but I think he voted him because I did, or he agreed with my reasoning on him, while I was changing my vote as often as I change my underwear. His vote doesn't appear tactical like "hey I can get this guy mislynched". I think he genuinely agreed with me that Lil Uzi was scum or, at least, that his content was bad. Read:

Lean-Town.

JaeReed: This guy has been up my ass all game. I hate being buddied truthfully even though that's hypocritical since I tend to buddy a lot myself. Anyways he basically made me the town doublevoter that day everywhere I voted he voted. Is this scummy? Kinda. Does that make me fos him? Not really, but it does make me want to put him on close watch, even though I really liked his reactions to a few things. Read:

Null.

Hermie: His vote was on me for the longest of time, and the reasons for it were bad, but not exactly scummy. I don't know why though when he doubted his read on me he immediately decided to sheep me. That's putting a lot of trust in someone he formerly thought was scum. I can understand the likes of mhsmith and Jae sheeping me, but Hermie? I truthfully think that this was the scum on the wagon. Read:

Lean Scum.

Io: She's been my hardest townread all game. I'm gonna disclose right now that we aren't actually masons, it was only banter. I'm sure most of you knew, but there are some people that genuinely question it. I saw Io play scum in my Fire n Ice game and her scum game is insanely different from her town game. Her reactions have been fairly genuine and her tone is really towny. Scum CAN fake it, but this is definitely Town!Io here. Read:

Town.

Impoetic: I might need to re-ISO her since she's a controversial player, but I've played thousands of games with her off site. I'm bad at reading her in chat mafia but I'm pretty good at reading her in the long drawn-out games. However that's not always. I don't think her vote was tactical, rather, just voting someone she thought was scum, or scummy. Read:

Null-Town.

NON-UZI WAGONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(L-6)

gerryoat

-

Lil Uzi Vert

<-------------------------- lol

As for the rest, I do hold a read of which yields 2 scum in the bloc of {rb, Burger, CCC}. All 3 of them defended Uzi and I feel for 2 of them it was defense on a scummy town slot for them to get another mislynch and save Uzi for another day. In their defense: there was a lolhammer, and if they wanted to properly defend Uzi, they couldn't exactly do such.

(L-6) VWXYZ - rb
(L-6) Cloudkicker - Burgerking
Not Voting: VWXYZ, CCC, CloudKicker

V and Cloud are town I'm pretty sure. I may need to reread both ISOs, but I'm not concerned about either of them right now.

rb: I think most of his votes have been fairly inconsistent. IIRC, he had a fos on someone (Cloud???) but then RVS'd VWXYZ, and parked his vote there for quite some time due to his "explosion". While his explosion was bad, he agreed with me that he was better off being vigged rather than lynched, yet his vote was parked on V for quite a long time, without pursuing his vote on another slot. His day 1 was pretty bad and inconsistent. And I didn't like his defense on Uzi. He was right, but scum do know who's town and who isn't, and I feel like he used that information to his advantage. rb isn't really interacting with Burger or CCC so I'm pretty sure he's surely scum here. His vote on CCC was really bad, even though it could've been him voting scum. I can see a bus there. Read:

Scum.

Burgerking: His entrance was fucking awful. His vote on Io was even worse. He overanalyzed all the mshmith-Io interactions. Then just shadethrew the rest of D1. His D2 hasn't been much better. His vote on CCC looked pretty tactical. Then I unvote and he unvotes because he was "building pressure". I don't think those were his intentions. CCC didn't even react to his vote, or any other vote by the time he had unvoted so that was clearly not his intention. There is a chance though that he's just really awful town, but I'm leaning heavily towards no. Read:

Lean Scum.

CCC: His reads this game are awful, and his "one of Trans/Uzi is scum" thing was really bad. But I gave him benefit of the doubt because Uzi was just horrible and I didn't think he'd associate with Uzi if he were mafia the way he did. Now that Uzi has flipped town, he hasn't done anything to pressure me at all. He's been more focused on Jae. Like there's even been a forming bandwagon on me and he still doesn't pressure me when I'm "poe scum" to him. However, the votes from rb and Burgerking on him were awful. Right now, I'm gonna agree with Smith here and say he's scummy but that there's a lot of scummier people. Read:

Null-Scum.

IMO one of {Jae,Hermie} with a fairly strong lean on Hermie and two of {rb, Burger, CCC} where I'm fairly certain rb is one of them.

TL;DR.

{Io}

{mhsmith0, VWXYZ, CloudKicker}

{Impoetic}

{JaeReed}

{CCC}

{Burgerking, Hermie}

{rb}

VOTE: rb

way toooo long, not gonna read lol

[Burgerking]

seriously wallposts suck, try condensing

[Burgerking]

also wtf is a "null-town". i think u mean townlean right?

[Burgerking]

Burgerking:

I did give a TL;DR if you didn't want to read the whole post. I don't read long posts myself so I was nice to everyone and gave a TL;DR. Out of my 3 scumreads besides you {Hermie, rb} how many do you think are correct?

ur maf
rb is town
idk about hermie

[Burgerking]

UNVOTE: Transcend
hm idk any more after reading you seem pretty towny but im not sure who is maf then cause i thought u were

fishy switch.
i dont think he suddenly became towny just bc he wrote a long post

[Burgerking]

1) This has been proven false to me through every previous game of mine where I have tried. In fact, I got WORSE at getting my point across every game I tried to do it in.

...I fail to see how

not

explaining would be better than a poor explanation. You're not getting your point across at

all

by remaining silent.

I have not remained silent.
You are not on mafia right now. So no, you're not going to find any mafia after you fail to lynch me.
You just picked out one part and ignored the part where I literally said I can't get my words to do what I want to explain it. I cannot explain it. There's a basis there that I can't explain, and I was actually relying on someone else looking at the evidence and putting it into words because I can't. Not everyone can manage to spin words their way all the fucking time.

hey calm down kid
There is a difference between not attempting to explain, and explaining badly. Inherently if you at least gave a poor explanation it would help whereas no explanation doesn't help and is incredibly scummy.
Anyone can say 'X is scummy' and when asked why just say 'they feel like scum.' Now, that's not inherently bad it just means you're not contributing reads at all. But when you say "I was actually relying on someone else looking at the evidence and putting it into words" that is where the problem with this comes in. If you use this to give a defense for not explaining reads you must also provide the evidence you were using. Not giving explination and not giving evidence is what is extremely scummy. At least if you give evidence then you can say this and it be OK as you provide the evidence and let people draw conclusions, but you're wanting people to find evidence to back up your FoS and then also provide the actual accusation pretty much removing as much of the blame of a mislynch as you possibly can.
This is why I always say this is a scum tell because of how lazy it is and how easy it is for scum to replicate and not take the blame for a mislynch they are pushing to start.

FUCK ME I GAVE EVIDENCE

I GAVE THE FUCKING LINKS AND EXPLAINED WHAT I WANTED PEOPLE TO LOOK AT WITH REGARDS TO THE DIFFERENCES.
STOP WITH THIS MISREPPY BULLSHIT THIS IS THE ACTUAL LITERAL WORST THING YOU CAN DO AS TOWN.

I LITERALLY GAVE THE EVIDENCE I WAS ABLE TO GIVE LIKE FUCK OFF

[Burgerking]

wheres the "evidence"?

[Burgerking]

Iso burgerking and look at his posts.


Literally no content what so ever.

wrong

[Burgerking]

I'm also aware Impo didn't say they were town reading Jae, at least I haven't seen it, but that was the example I was using of common read scripting. It's just a way to get artificial town reads on scum partners without putting a whole lot of effort in. Hence why I said the next step would be for Impo to town read Jae.

OK well I am townreading jae but don't feel like I can convince anyone with my reasons since they're basically meta and tone IIRC. So there. I said it.

I'm so sorry for not keeping up with this game and I'll try to catch up and be more active in the meantime.

hmm

can u explain the meta and maybe link some previous games to try and explain the tone

[Burgerking]

mind elaborating on ur "minor business emergency"?

idk if you are using an excuse to flake

[Burgerking]

On the subject of the Burgerking lynch - I am scumreading him slightly (he's said little to nothing of significance, and doesn't seem to be taking much trouble to hunt scum), but at the same time, I'm finding his style of posting really

really

annoying, and I

know

that that is biasing me against him. I wouldn't be exactly

unhappy

with his lynch, but I worry that I'm letting my annoyance bias get the better of me.

So I'm not going to vote for him just yet, but I wouldn't be opposed to voting for him later in the day, if the JaeReed wagon fails to get anywhere.

u sound like an opportunistic scum

[Burgerking]

if u lynch me, sheep my reads

Transcend Hermie CCC are scum

[Burgerking]

just remember to sheep my reads im an absolute pro at reading players.
speeding it up because u guys obviously aren't changing and my role is useless. cya

VOTE: Burgerking

[Burgerking]

sheep my reads

Transcend Hermie CCC are scum