[Mini 1835] - Everything Is A Lie Mafia 4 (Abandoned)

[shos]

VOTE: wgeurts

Gotta try

[shos]

Double hated jestermakes no sense, too easy.

Ignore the IC for the while, it is just wifom.

[shos]

BNL

Do you control (at least) one of the counsel votes?

[shos]

VOTE: BNL

[shos]

last game(s?) the counsel was operated by the mod and the dead iirc. but the counsel voting the counsel is...suspicious

[shos]

holy shit this exploded overnight

I'll read up soon

[shos]

I'm a real IC, but there's probably some other layer to my role that no one knows about, and speculating about that is probably pointless.

Question--are you the kind of IC that automatically gets confirmed at the beginning of the game, or did you ask the mod to announce you at that time?

-Lace

the former.

I think you're full of shit. Hidden IC is exponentially more powerful than instant NK bait.

Also doc and watch bait. This is not so easy/bad/w/e.

Though seriously, does this game have the possibility for secret win cons?

these games are extremely unpredictable. Anything is possible.

I kinda wish Ranger was in this game. She's like a tactical nuke of scum hunting.

I guess we're going to have to make do with... Uh...

...

...

Shit. We're doomed.

I don't like you. You have like 4 jokes so far and the game barely strted, and it sounds forced as hell

[shos]

Whenever I make a proposal in this game, I need to do it using democracy and fair voting. I proposed the usage of my ability, so it must be voted by people.

For the second voter, as I said I know that information. I need a majority requesting for the data to expose them.

I don't understand what harm can be caused by that? Even if scum has control over the vote, we can leash it, right?

[shos]

Someone effectively has THREE votes as long as The Counsel lives.

~Leather

No, from what I know they will be able to use the public vote like us.

as I said the second vote is in the hands of someone else.

There is nothing stopping you from

adding that person to your counsel

, efficient making you a triple voter, especially considering you know their identity.

Where potential exists, all risks must be analyzed.

~Leather

what do you mean by this?

[shos]

hey farside is in the game!!! <3 <3 <3

I've read up to page 12, this is all a pile of bullshit. nothing is worth reading.

counsel should tell us who they are and who has the other vote

[shos]

VOTE: The Counsel
I think the counsel is managed by scum. anything that has been said here is either wifom, bullshit, or empty promises. at best, this can keep us wifoming instead of actually scumhunting and playing the game. already it poofed 15 pages of nothingness.

I want this gone.

[shos]

Also I think L&L is possibly scumtheatering with them.

[shos]

They have 128 posts dude. 128.

[shos]

They have 128 posts dude. 128.

That's because I'm DOING SHIT!

counsel should tell us who they are and who has the other vote

That's what I've been doing, but you want to receive the benefits of my efforts while also casting shade for the work it took to get here?

Screw that dude.

I don't know what you're talking about.

You have spammed the thread like shit. you are doiong shit, yes, but SHIT does not need to be done, ANY SORT OF SCUMHUNTING does.
there is literally no content. at all. in the last 11 pages or so.

[shos]

I'm repeating it because people are simply scrolling what I'm saying

why would you say that?
In the last 13 pages, apart from you Ircher and I, like nobody posted.

who was "simply scrolling" what you said?
give me a name.

[shos]

Lyncher could potientially be pro-town; you never know.

Also, something weird -- Sometimes the Counsel says "We" yet othertimes "I" when refering to themselves. Any ideas why?

This guy is protown

[shos]

The second vote was controlled by "Shos".

[shos]

Counsel, could you elaborate how you got to that conclusion?

[shos]

seeing 437, I'm thinking the counsel is probably managed by townies after all.
VOTE: L&L
for now. BNL's posts look like shit, lol. At gamestart he seemed to cause the counsel to selfvote, and now he's trying to say my posts fit as counsel control, which I reaelllly don't see. I'll give him the option to explain.

still reading up

[shos]

They have 128 posts dude. 128.

That's because I'm DOING SHIT!

counsel should tell us who they are and who has the other vote

That's what I've been doing, but you want to receive the benefits of my efforts while also casting shade for the work it took to get here?

Screw that dude.

I don't know what you're talking about.

You have spammed the thread like shit. you are doiong shit, yes, but SHIT does not need to be done, ANY SORT OF SCUMHUNTING does.
there is literally no content. at all. in the last 11 pages or so.

Just because you don't like my scumhunting doesn't mean I haven't been doing it.

In fact, you don't like it because it outed you.

VOTE: shos

Take your hidden double voting ass to Hell.

like, I don't have a single idea of what you're talking about. You did not even scumread me. how is your supposed scumhunting bad to me? You literally spat bullshit for a dozen pages. You call that scumhunting? care to elaborate on the results? or are these too nonexistent that you vote me after it all?

[shos]

*finishes the page*
I don't understand, counsel. Was it not obvious from the facepalms that I deny controlling that vote? And should I remind you this is an EIAL game?

[shos]

btw just for reference:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7354227 <<< suggests everyone is town this game (move to the next page) which is basically why I voted yoghurt first, though you all didn't join in (bastard game ABC)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7456661 <<< I suggest everyone reads from this post onwards. This game had two counsel votes too, the counsel could be voted but not lynched, one vote was controlled by the MOD & DEAD, and the other was following a specific logic.

[shos]

Also, the title's a lie --> There is no "Everything is a Lie 3".

DING DING DING DING!!!! XD

[shos]

UNVOTE:

I have a theory that the extra vote has a weight of zero.

Shos needs to defend themsekves & attempt to move the vote elsewhere (to a wagon that isnt likely to be easily hammered)

I don't recall anything against me? a 5-wagon (call it 6 with the counsel if you want) grew basically on "the counsel" saying I control them, lol.

[shos]

ok so...I've fully read up.
it appears I...need to "explain myself".

well.

considering there is nothing to explain (I deny controlling the counsel, so...is there anything?), and the deadline is short, I guess I'll go ahead and claim.
I'm a tracker. I have another passive ability and another 1-shot ability which I don't want to disclose, as it wouldn't help town in shit.

There is also 1-word flavor and a quote from some french guy.

[shos]

BNL do you realize the counsel may not be lynchable? it's not a player with a win condition it appears, it is just a proxy controlled by some player (s?). And how would that be setting up a mislynch?

[shos]

As I said, this is all just big wifom. The Counsel may be lying, yes, but this is just as likely as the mod is to be lying to them. The entire subject is all wifomish, which is why it should be discarded as means to scumhunt. it is just distracting town.

the last sentence goes the same for L&L. vote there, it'll be good. trust me, I'm an engineer


also I've just been mislynched one more time so *sad*

[shos]

As I said, this is all just big wifom. The Counsel may be lying, yes, but this is just as likely as the mod is to be lying to them. The entire subject is all wifomish, which is why it should be discarded as means to scumhunt. it is just distracting town.

the last sentence goes the same for L&L. vote there, it'll be good. trust me, I'm an engineer


also I've just been mislynched one more time so *sad*

Whats your reason foru
scum reading L&L again?

~Lina

You loterally quoted the reason lol

[shos]

@TC: claiming my 1shot ability is useless for tpwn and can only help scum, so i wont do it. Even if I get lynched with it, so be it - if O claim it and survive ot helps no town interest

[shos]

“One person's craziness is another person's reality.”

― Tim Burton

VOTECOUNT 1.0

Not Voting (14):

SirCakez, shos, Davsto, Leather and Lace, BulletNLynchproof, Rylai & Lina, Yume, farside22, Flames682, Vedith, KuroiXHF, Ircher, xyzzy, The Counsel, The Counsel

With 14 Votes, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-08 01:28:46)

Shos has (expired on 2016-10-02 01:24:40) to confirm.

hey what the hell is this?

Someone's got something against me
This was edited into the VC. Last game I could PM the mod to do that.

Conspiracy

[shos]

[I confirmed ky role FIRST. The mod pater deleted my post and pmed me about that - claiming that I helped him notice the thread wasnt locked yet. So that cannot appear there, sonce the mod onew I confirmed already]

[shos]

Cor the record, the post was made and deleted before the cofnirmation beginning PM was there.

[shos]

eh right
playing from phone makes me stupid

[shos]

From scumhunting, obv
this game has has barely any scumhunting at all, and it's 23 pages long, of them over 7 pages are 100% L&L

[shos]

in other words, the only kind of discussion in this game was about the counsel. we've seen shit like that before, we all agree it's wifom. the dwelling on that (and the 6-wagon on me because of it) is stupid and probably encouraged by scum. The game has over 500 posts and there are players in the game you barely know exist. Vedith, flames, Kuroi, Yume.. it's all drowned in L&L spam.

[shos]

My seven pages of content resulted in me feeling good about TC, so I don't give a rat's ass what you think of me because that's a remarkable accomplishment in itself.

oh cool, let's waste half a day so that one person can get a read on something that isn't even a player in the game! woo!

in other words, the only kind of discussion in this game was about the counsel. we've seen shit like that before, we all agree it's wifom. the dwelling on that (and the 6-wagon on me because of it) is stupid and probably encouraged by scum. The game has over 500 posts and there are players in the game you barely know exist. Vedith, flames, Kuroi, Yume.. it's all drowned in L&L spam.

This sucks
Basically "go look at other people, don't push me!!!"

You are completely missing my point. here's an explanation for your assistance:

it's possible that shos is scum; I think it's way more likely that L&L is scum, though. we have 3 days and 6 hours to lynch someone, though, and I feel like we're making frustratingly little headway there.

THERE HASNT BEEN ANY LEGIT SCUMHUNTING IN THE GAME YET. I blame L&L for this. I'm not calling the 'other people' scum, I'm calling the one whose sole purpose this game was that we not hear them, it seems.

[shos]

in other words, the only kind of discussion in this game was about the counsel. we've seen shit like that before, we all agree it's wifom. the dwelling on that (and the 6-wagon on me because of it) is stupid and probably encouraged by scum. The game has over 500 posts and there are players in the game you barely know exist. Vedith, flames, Kuroi, Yume.. it's all drowned in L&L spam.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

This is not a conference call. Just because I'm doing shit doesn't mean other people can't do shit.

Stop trying to use me as a scapegoat. It's not going to work.

????????

what the hell are you talking about?

[shos]

oh it's one of the heads lol

[shos]

"ISO me" << with 200 posts, yeah..
there's nothing to "believe" here. what you "accomplished" by spamming the thread[that the counsel is probably protown], I got through a couple of posts. it's not like you helped others get to this conclusion, either. The rest of the chaos you created just literally forced others out of activity.

or have you "accomplished" something else I missed?


@SC: where? lol

[shos]

To me it seems he rushed to claim just to save himself even though we're 2-3 votes away from lynching (depending if The Counsel counts as majority cause wgeurts could be lying about 8 votes).

This^
I agree w/ SirCakez too.

actually I did rush to claim, but that was because I saw the wrong deadline, lol. In 439, the prod deadline is much more noticable, so I thought we had 20 hours to go. I don't think it matters now, though. I don't think I ever prematurely claimed like this.

[shos]

I aleays get mislynched d1
Its like my trust tell
If you lynch me, I am toen xD

Anyway
Counsel - do you have a specific ability that tells you information about the second vote, or is it possible that it is simply a scum messenger being super successful?

[shos]

Flames, you keep saying that but you never actually say why you scumread me

[shos]

Actually ISOing flames makes it really obvious.
You first ever mention of me in your ISO is when you vote me. You never explained why, except for saying it is not for the extra supposed vote. Yet your vote came immediately after that.
The only, single post where you supposedly do is when you say that you think my claim is bullshit, and even there, you sheep the though from someone else.

Point is, you are on the easy wagon. You previously tried to lynch the IC
Why would you do that? It's not like you are guaranteed the mod always lies.

You seek town's fall.

[shos]

Oh and of course VOTE: flames

[shos]

Btw re: your guys discussion on occams razor
I bet the counsel answers no to my question. Occams razor applied here would simply be a scum messenger. That is so easy.

[shos]

simply a scum messenger being super successful

hmm? you mean someone else messaging counsel giving him a fake result?

A messenger sends the mod a message and the mod delivers it to the specified target. Sp basically, knowing I am dangerous, framing me is just as easy as it can be. Coupd have been anyone else too. Messengers often get just one message per day, otherwise it may be too bastard.

[shos]

How is that funny?

[shos]

It is super simple. Just not obvious.
Occams razor means that the simplest is the most likely, not the most obvious.

This has the least assumptions, therefore, it is the simplest.
Also which five(?!) are against you? I only remember like 2,not including me

[shos]

Flames, you keep saying that but you never actually say why you scumread me

To me it seems he rushed to claim just to save himself even though we're 2-3 votes away from lynching.

shos any other reads besides L&L? Really

all you've done is accuse them and defend yourself

.

What motivation do scum have to fakeclaim, instead of

claiming most of their role and snipping out the scummy parts

of their role?

This is exactly what shos seems to have done.

So uh I am scum because I claimed
I am scum because I havent done anything [this js reallynot true by now, and...even by then]
I am scum because i didnot claim fully?

I honestly think you are shotting me

We saw shos changing the vote again and the vote is now on himself ...

@Shos No messenger is involved. The result is related to the voice of counsel.

Thanks for changing the vote cause its now proven that mod pre-planned framing "Shos" by lying to the voice of counsel whenever the real one who controls that vote change it or Shos is really involved in this.

????
>> lets assume shos has 2 votes.
Option 1: put both on BNL and bring him to L-1 while shos is at L-5
Option 2: vote self and make some of the deciding votes to get myself lynched.

Hurr
Alright.

Can I get explanation for why it is "proven" that this is not a messenger?

[shos]

I will be VLA until the 17th. I will ONLY phonepost in this while, and only when I get wifi.

[shos]

I dodnt think farside was a dayvig to begin with lol.
D1 shit like that happens all the time.

Since flames wagon doesnt seem to be viable, and same withL&L, im joining the NL wagon. This is L-1.

VOTE: bnl.
This is not a counterwagon-ahoy vote, in case youd think that.

[shos]

So apparantly I have no vote now, or xyzzy removed his second vote or something.

There is surely some plot against me here ._.

[shos]

Whats with all thsetup specs,bnl? What sort of rolefishing is that lol
I never take dayvig claims seriously

And currently no real read on that slot, farside was reallinactive and i didnt read the post above me

[shos]

I didnt get any pm from the mod since then. I guess it is possible that vote is somehow related to my actions, but I dunno how

[shos]

I might have missed something that farside posted, because I reallt don't get why this thung is being discussed. Could anyone who actually thought farside was a trur dayvig explain what caused him to believe that?

I mean
Ive seen countless fake dayvig claims. Even made a billion. Why is this different?

[shos]

can we have a VC please?

Why wasnt bnl hammered? The votes need to return to him.
Also I can feel the xyzzy lynch but the doublevote gives me chills to lynch.

[shos]

Claimed two roles? Huh?
Did I miss another claim?

[shos]

Claimed two roles? Huh?
Did I miss another claim?

Does claiming "not dayvig" count? If so, yes. Two different claims by the same spot. One is lying, therefore that slot is not town, or the mod lied to them.

Are you really that new onsite

Get your vote back on BNL. I want to see the VC where he has 7 votes and isn't lynched. Sorcery must be explained.

I'm also going to try this and see if anything happens

VOTE: wgeurts

And now undoing
VOTE: BNL.

A farside lynvh is just so much worse than BNL.

[shos]

Am I the only one who thinks farside's dayvig claim was an obvious joke?

This
Malpa seems to try and drive a lynch based onthisand it is very wierd imo because L&L have definitely had more based reads [like a scumread on me]...

This sortasupports my scumread on them, since they left my wafon as soon as it became an unviable myslinch

[shos]

Omg R&L stfu.
Lik, I lean town on you,but that is basically based on the shitstorm that you are now forming here which is fitting to FA's towngame. But stop it, recaliberate your ass. You areconfbiasing.

Now i saw you accused me of stuff. So in case you dontremember, I am on VLA. I only post whenI get wifi, and even then, from phone, therefore my "slow posting". Yes, it may have caused the me-issue to go a little below radar, but surely you dont have anything to add, do you? That is a stalemate topic, which is why it was moved on about.

Re: you will only vote 3 peeps.
That is stupid too.no point in doing that. Youneed a D1 lynch. If you miss it you only give scu advantage. Any town investigative is massively influencedby wifom [including myselfobv] so a nopynch gives scum a true free kill[and possibly other actions].

Get your face out of yohr ass. I know it smells like rainbows but it is all faje.

[shos]

still after 100 posts you can't give me one reason for you scumreading BNL

and you keep diverting everything , nitpicking my reasoning and descrediting my scumreads

your so scum dude

Don't do scum's job for them, silly.

Ircher is scum >.>

That's irrelevant at this point in the day.

Wagon them tomorrow.

This buys L&L town points.

[shos]

You guys sure post a lot
Final day of vacation, ill read up tomorrow.
Is the DL really 5 hours? Is that because BNL is already lynched?

[shos]

Im on 42.
1. Why was BNL not lynched
2. Do we know what is the "something unforeseen"?
3. Why is DL in 5 hours??
4. Werewolf means this is multiball, 100%, I know the mod
5. Traitor mason probably means one of the other masons is a traitor of the mafia. Therefore I think it would be best that the townie mason claims who his partner is
6. The counsel's voting for revealing info is a useless waste of time. Can we all just vote for and be done with this bullshit? Can you at least tell us if that info is role or alignment related?

[shos]

So my wifi is back but for like 10 ses cuz i go out to shop cheeses, meanwhile I read vediths latest comments and i am totally leaning scum there

Anywya i think ill be back in 2 hours or so to continue

[shos]

Reading up. I should have time, I think

[shos]

Someone sent me a guilty on L&L...

what color? I understand the mistrust but last games we did not have a truth color so this can help

yoyo wassup

Malpascp slot is probably town

based on..?

So are we all just glossing over the fact that there was no nightkill last night?

And also BNL avoided death somehow. I dont recall this being addressed by ANYONE.

You're just too smart for us Dav!

What a useless post
With the info I have from future, beginning to accumulate a scumread here.

[shos]

The information is : An investigation targeting xyzzy yielded "no result".

We won't talk about the information source -even that we know it or not- unless a majority asks us to.

in another note L&L must be a part of counsel if nothing interfered with the chairman actions. L&L confirm or deny this please.

Omfg.
We literally had enough votes to reveal "the information". Why did you not count this inside "the information"?? What POSSIBLE toen intent can you fucking have?

[shos]

Yeah, scum have a Roleblocker.

L&L can die, tyvm.
VOTE: L&L

is this certain?

VOTE: The MM

This is still scum.

Great argument pal, you earned your OMGUS vote VOTE: BulletNLynchproof.
Now to focus on the real thing.

Wow, way to be ambiguous about that, Counsel.

To the others, can't we just ask the Counsel to reveal everything they know in one go? Or, you know, realize that this democracy thing is only made to hold the town back?
I've not talked on it but #113 #196 and especially #209 contain information ("someone tried to mess with our ability", "everything we do must be democratically approved" [this counts, no majority asked], "We can make livings join The Counsel") revealed

without the need for a democratic vote beforehand

.

So now, Counsel, spill the beans: who gave you that intel?
Also I think we as town need to know everything you can do, so a list of all your abilities would be nice, thank you.

@Ircher: Mind re-sharing your case on L&L?

I really like this post, despite reading the counsel's answer. This is good thinking and I agree with the intent. Calling it "fishing" is mudthrowing imo, because the counsel seems pretty bullshitty and shady by now.

[shos]

MM just scum claimed.

this was hilarious xD
But also it made me realize youve been under the radar the entirity of D1 and youve done shit all apart from sleezy posts like this.

Consider my vote on you

Ircher isn't even trying anymore

Nah, I'm realky not at this pt; isnt wirth convincing the rest of you.

what PT??? What are you talking about?

If that were the case, then why are you still trying to lynch me?

I want to see something.

a mislynch?

[shos]

A bomb was planted on me today.
Not funny

how convenient...now we'll all wonder why you just keep avoiding the nightkills...and tracks...and cops...

A bomb was planted on me today.
Not funny

How about you get a temporary vote on Ircher?

vedith, it looks like you dont actually want ircher gone, but rather, get him to L-1 or so. Whata your point? Pressure votes are only ussful when you dont know they are pressure votes,a nd think there actually is intent to lynch. Will you unvote if an L-1 wagon gets intent to hammer?

I don't believe the investigation done on me was done by an amnesiac cop.

I cpnfirm that I did not investigate you tonight.

[shos]

By the way the fake counsel vote is again changed by shos.

???????

[shos]

I like 1144. I harshly dislike vediths "oh yeah info plz".
Re:1146 - is anyone related to this?

L&L, it appears the counsel posts that I change the counsel vote always before it actually changes. Couls you test it, please? Like try to vote with it? It may be thr counsel themselves[as in, chairman]. Also can you confirm/deny thatt the counsel gets those PMs, anyway?

[shos]

blah

Scumclaim. Wants to PR-fish.

Are you people gonna jump me whenever I try to figure out anything?
First, BNL, now you, both damn near instantly vote me for talking my mind. Like, damn.

Note:

I will not respect anyone who just posts "scumclaim", "you're scum" and other tiny-messages-but-loads-of-horsecrap like that, because this comes from official self-absorbed idiotic strawmen. I think I've made my opinion of such messages clear. So many people have done that, scum may be hiding and provide

no case whatsoever

.

Thank you very much -- not.

But hey, keep waving your scumflags on me and you'll waste a day, much like many have done before you. *shrug*

You claimed Not Dayvig, your predecessor claimed Dayvig, how is that not scummy?

Omfg can we relynch this guy

[shos]

5. Traitor mason probably means one of the other masons is a traitor of the mafia. Therefore I think it would be best that the townie mason claims who his partner is

How do you know there are more Masons and even more so, more than 1?

Regarding my results (on phone) I did a lie detector on post 139 I think it was, where Ircher says his role.

Being 100% serious right now --> If there is a neighborizer, they should target me. Assuming my role works as it says (which I'm heavily doubting), being in a neighborhood would increase its power 500-fold.

Are you fucking serious.
Thus means nothing at all.
VOTE: vedith
A townie would force his suspect to post "I am town" and detect that.

Nothing with 100%, "should", 500-fold, "which i heavily doubt" can give you sort of useful result. Bullshit.

[shos]

Well if you think that they should claim, then I'm a mason.
The other mason has already said that they don't want to reveal today, but the lack of communication and from that with Sho's post saying that they could be traitor makes me wonder.

Y'see, my gut feeling is along the lines of that masonry consisting entirely of scum - one from each of three factions. One Mafia, one Werewolf, one Alien.

I have no proof, and not even any proof that there are three factions (only that wguerts has used multiple factions by those names in previous EIAL games), so I'm not gonna vote on it yet. That's just my gut feel.

Either that, or the masonry consists entirely of a Werewolf scumteam.

Or maybe Kuroi was just the only scum there. Who the fuck knows anymore.

I am not surprised he is a mason lol
Also not surprised the other doesnt wanna claim ahaha

@dav - possible. We have had all-scum masonry in past EIAL games.

[shos]

Yeah, I'm going to be scum with a lie detector and sensor. And miller as well, lets not forget.
I know it's everything is a lie Mafia, but you need to be stretching a bit far for that.

And you obviously truat your lie detect, yes? XD

But also, assuming you are scum, why would I believe anything you say? You being a miller is a really easy convenient thing for scum to claim, and the LD can easily be fabricated, much more so when you supposedly choose such a bad post like 139

This is easy

[shos]

was you lie detector result and sensor result in truth color?

why you avoid answering this question

What did I avoid? It was in blue.

How are you sure that your lie detector result is not vise versa ... >.>

Because of things.

Please. Do explain.

[shos]

Vedith.

Please stop discussing with FA today. Just today. This is beyond game wincons - we know there is an issue, and we are all humans.

Just today.

Abd FA sweetie, please calm down, for you and the baby, get outta mafiascum for the evening. Love ya.

.......
Back to game.

I really like this post, despite reading the counsel's answer. This is good thinking and I agree with the intent. Calling it "fishing" is mudthrowing imo, because the counsel seems pretty bullshitty and shady by now.

Then maybe we should lynch the counsel.
But if they are right about you, that's exactly what you would want.

I don't think the counsel is an actual person in the game, and as such, is not lynchable. The chairman resists publicity, so nope, and besides, if we get more info it is good - just gotta stop the bullshit gameplay around the democracy shit.

[shos]

"I am town"

I cannot do I am town/scum posts.
This is why I asked Rylai & Lina who was in their PT hoping they would answer before day end.

Lolwut
How bout "I have a protown wincon" or anything alike? I dont believe you. What does it say in your role pm?

..and the flailing begins

[shos]

No, because thwre could also be other PTs, and any townie, especially in this kind of game, will have tried to find a way to bypass that and get ALIGNMENT information.

So what. If he was a mason, would that PT make him scum? If he was a traitor, would this no PT make him town?

You comlletely worked unlike any townie at all. I know you are not that incapable. You are therefore lying.

I certainly hope that L&Ls accusation is false, but even there, your insistence that there were "LIES" is bullshit. A mistake is not a lie, and no matter how hard you scream, you are basically hurting the other person. So im not holding this one against you, but the supposed LD is dog shit, and the sensor is just about the best way scum can influence town to multiple mislynches.

I don'tbelieve your claims.

[shos]

If my memory serves right, last game we had a 2-scum masonry. I think I brought it up.

This discussion goes the right way and vedith should be lynched.

Kthxbai, i to flight mode

[shos]

FINALLY!!!! I HAZ A COMPUTER!!!!!

And I will post before sleep somewhen! yay!
meanwhile here's a hamburger ^_^

[shos]

L&L brings up a good point about masons.

I really think it was my point, not theirs >_>; /takes credit

So almost certainly scum in Vedith and Flames, interesting

Yes, it seems.

I tracked Flames tonight. I will not reveal my result, but I will say that I do have a result, and of these two, I'd like to get Vedith done with today.

[shos]

Well if you think that they should claim, then I'm a mason.
The other mason has already said that they don't want to reveal today, but the lack of communication and from that with Sho's post saying that they could be traitor makes me wonder.

I'm wondering why Vedith never considered the possibility of more than one scum in the mason chat until someone brought it up. Prior to shos's post he said in the PT that he was certain I was town because Kuroi had outed himself.

?
I don't understand why kuroi outing himself would make you town. But let's disregard that for a second - could you elaborate on *why* a scum traitor would reveal himself there, anyway?
The only reason I can think of is if he thought both his mason buddies are scum with him?

and when did he do that? during the night?

[shos]

Yeah BNL tf was up with the lynch failing?
If you're town not revealing that was anti town as hell

+1.
and if you knew you weren't going to die, did you know if lynching you would have ended the day?
because the lynch may have happened (or may not have, I don't know what the fuck yoghurt intended there), but it was damn near close to DL, so it might just have been DL cutoff?

I checked the VC and it says -

BulletNLynchproof (9) [LYNCH!]: Davsto, Vedith, KuroiXHF, xyzzy, shos, Leather and Lace, Ircher, malpascp

so you *were* lynched, but with 9 votes.. so this may be xyzzy's doublevote not worth 2, or you were loved.?

Why are you only concerned with this now?

"only", lol. I think I was the *only* one who actually asked the question before so. Why did you NOT be concerned about this until now? O_o

You guys sure post a lot
Final day of vacation, ill read up tomorrow.
Is the DL really 5 hours? Is that because BNL is already lynched?

Were you able to access MS before this after D2 started?

France has nearly no open wifi, and even when there is you rarely are able to access without some login code. so only from the rented home, through phone. why?

"I am town"

I cannot do I am town/scum posts.
This is why I asked Rylai & Lina who was in their PT hoping they would answer before day end.

Why didn't you claim this when you first claimed lie detector?

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is a lot of ! marks!

Kuroi, Vedith, and I are masons.

Last night Vedith said he has a lie detector and instructed us to post that we weren't in any other PTs. However, I'm wondering why he lie detected Ircher's post if he said he would use it on us last night.

Is it true that you were initially unwilling to claim, and if so, why?

I kinda don't wanna lytnch BNL anymore. These are good stuff

[shos]

You guys sure post a lot
Final day of vacation, ill read up tomorrow.
Is the DL really 5 hours? Is that because BNL is already lynched?

Were you able to access MS before this after D2 started?

I didnt notice anything strange....

????

RE: L&L guilty

Interestingly, my results color was in #FF8001 (not #FF8000). I'm pretty sure this is a scum messenger trying to give a fake result. I knew this from the start, I just pretended I didn't know it at first in order to bait out the messenger into claiming. Which is also why I was so suspicious at Vedith saying that Ircher true claimed, though Ircher has clarified.

That would sorta be impersonating the mod, which is usually a modkillable offense......

@MOD ^^^

You guys sure post a lot
Final day of vacation, ill read up tomorrow.
Is the DL really 5 hours? Is that because BNL is already lynched?

Were you able to access MS before this after D2 started?

I didnt notice anything strange....

This question seems useless but it has a purpose, will reveal later.

explain please.?

[shos]

@Vedith why didn't you use your lie detector to confirm shos claim about the second counsel vote or on counsel to confirm their calim about shos or their claims?

is more good stuff. I'm getting good townreads by now. I really feel good with how this is going.

[shos]

@Vedith Can your lie detector check posts in PTs or in the main thread only?

I'd imagine its 1-shot and he already used the shot.

The question is why he is trusting the result like its 100% true and why he used it in this manner on such a useless post.

pedit : So why did you out yourself to thread today without any reasons anyway? Your result was outed by Counsel and no one was trying to ask them about the source.

Half of it is because 1) The Counsel got No Result meaning I likely got RB'd and 2) It was quite obvious that everyone had picked up on my role besides you despite the fact that I crumbed it a bazillion times & even quoted the crumbs for you.

That's what deathtunneling does -- It messes up other players and make them have to do things they shouldn't have to do.

1. good question. I like.
2. I have a real hunch that xyzzy is ascetic. This sort of shit is expected of the mod to reduce swinginess.
3. honestly, I had no idea, and until people literally pointed out, I didn't get it. even after you said you claimed, and others said they believe you, etc >_> I'm really thinking it's a question of "were you looking for it". You said you're insane right? that probably means your sane, imo, lol. IIRC there were previous sane-insane- or insane-sane- cops. Can you target yourself? this will be helpful assuming you survive. [and I assume you can choose who you send the results to, yes?{btw why did you send to the counsel? O_o or did you send to a specific member?}]

@Vedith why didn't you use your lie detector to confirm shos claim about the second counsel vote or on counsel to confirm their calim about shos or their claims?

how that Ircher post was meaning anything to a mason - where as a mason pov neighborizers are likely scum or you had doubts about your masons? cause that makes no sense about the way you advertised your all town.

Wow actually, that's a good point I haven't noticed.

Yeah, I kinda agree that that wasnt a good post to choose.

I believe everyone has agreed that was shit. IMO vedith claimed badly and this is part of the flailing which he now tries to cover up for.

Is it true that you were initially unwilling to claim, and if so, why?

He wasn't actually unwilling, just advised against us outting.

What's the difference? Could you elaborate on how the dynamics of that talk were?

@Vedith why didn't you use your lie detector to confirm shos claim about the second counsel vote or on counsel to confirm their calim about shos or their claims?

Correct.
I originally wanted to check you, but as I said, the game day ended before you had a chance to reply. I wanted to check the what looked like T v S (Although this has changed now).

This is not an answer and is a weak evasion.

comments in red.

Yeah, I kinda agree that that wasnt a good post to choose.

Why not? The way to find scum is by the small things. Lying about this would have been small and an easy scum tell.
I stand by that scum give up small lies/slips rather than big ones 9/10.

omfg can we stop talking about this poor choice

[shos]

As an aside, I'm expecting 7 scum/6 town total.

Very doubtful.
If 2 scum factions then it's
1 Werewolf / 1 Werewolf recruitable
2 Mafia/Alien (could explain no first kill if Alien) and 1 or 0 traitor.

If 3 scum factions
1 Were wolf / 1 Werewolf recruitable
1 Mafia / 1 traior
1 Alien / 1 recruitable or 2 Aliens

I highly doubt there's more than 6 scum. 6 scum. I'd favour more 5 with the first option of a traitor on Mafia.

But, hey what do I know.

???????
what sort of bad setup specs is this lol
easiest guess would be
2maf+1traitor
2were+1traitor
7 townies.
if more scum, then probably 3rd parties.

but why the hell do we talk about this when we barely have 1 flip.?

[shos]

we have to find a way to confirm whether or not you're sane or insane. think of something, I'm tired.
~

@Flames and Vedith:

Before vedith is lynched, could you two please confirm what was being said in the masonry? This can be crucial for us to decide our next steps depending on any flip of vedith. So please answer regardless of whether or not you support vedith lynch.

[shos]

^^ first sentence was to Ircher.
flames, if you're online, I am too, I'll go to the toilet and return

[shos]

@Flames and Vedith:

Before vedith is lynched, could you two please confirm what was being said in the masonry? This can be crucial for us to decide our next steps depending on any flip of vedith. So please answer regardless of whether or not you support vedith lynch.

This is mainly to help us decide your alignment, so please cooperate

[shos]

Not necessarily - it would help, I guess, but what I mean is mainly the part where you discussed whether or not you want to out yourselves in thread. Vedith said you "advised against". He didn't say your name here though - you did. but that happened later, so..

[shos]

I...1412 is either AtE or...stupid? (no offense lol but you ARE asking for a vote there)
1413 - please see THIS POST and respond. Getting an answer from both of you would be best. how many posts are there in the masonry, anyway?

1413 - the fact you didn't use it MY way or flames' way doesn't make it scummy. the fact that you, allegedly, used it in a way that isn't ANYONE's way, does. You supposedly had a superstrong investigative role, and completely and utterly wasted it. First time playing a role? how bout read about it in the wiki?
Then there's the fact that you added a specific negative trait to it AFTER you've been pinged on it. changing the claim after being pushed? lolzwut.

And well. add these to the generally bad play - I'm really done with today. now is just the information-gain part for tomorrow and tonight.


which "debate" are you talking about? the "which post I should use it on"?

[shos]

oh. I get it.
Well it's about time both of you answer me because it's been quite a bunch of minutes already and I wanna sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

[shos]

I am unsure about this. we were 14 to start, not 13.. I would definitely prefer to resolve vedith first. And well, we have all the information, it's not like we're missing something. We'll be much smarter later on.

[shos]

How are you sure that your lie detector result is not vise versa ... >.>

Because of things.

I'm still confused. Is your reason based on your role/setup spec or not?

Vedith, I still want this answered.

The "because of things" should reallybe explained, vedith.

@BNL: I see. Well.

[shos]

huh?
Davsto do you have anything with the mod posts lately?

and can anyone account for the lack of scum nightkills? if we assume 2 groups of scum two in a row is....odd.

BNL, are you the counsel? I think you are.

[shos]

Huh? I dont see the diffrrence?

[shos]

xyzzy, can you be sure despite the setup bastardry? I mean is it actually worth that you claim now?

and I honestly don't know what to think there. there's 15 minutes between the two of those posts, it looks like some shenanigans happened?
if anything was edited, it is MM's post, not the mod's. as can be seen here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8444574
if you edit your post before others have posted after it, it does not say that the post was edited.

This is wierd though.

anyway, with the vedith flip, VOTE: Flames. I'm sure this will flip a mafia traitor

[shos]

note that considering the half-obviousness of this if true, then it is possible he had been recruited. Maybe that is why there was no nightkill.

[shos]

shos, I have very strong reason to believe that they at least both have the same alignment. my role would make very little sense and be outrageously overpowered otherwise.

I'm intrigued >_>

I'm not interested in lynching any of those today so that's ok

[shos]

Davsto
Who did you target with what N2?

[shos]

Vote for reveal

Davsto
Who did you target with what N2?

With a roleblock, someone not from Argentina
I in fact targeted Rylai and Lina

Flames. Confirm that you have gone nowhere N1.
If you do I have a proof of davsto lying

[shos]

Meanwhile, davsto, why did you roleblock the counsel?

[shos]

Vote for reveal

Davsto
Who did you target with what N2?

With a roleblock, someone not from Argentina
I in fact targeted Rylai and Lina

Flames. Confirm that you have gone nowhere N1.
If you do I have a proof of davsto lying

Yup I didn't go anywhere N1.

VOTE: davsto
Good. That means my track results are correct, which means unless some other wierd shit, my track on davsto for tonight means he did not visit the counsel.

note that considering the half-obviousness of this if true, then it is possible he had been recruited. Maybe that is why there was no nightkill.

Can you explain why there was no nightkill N1 then?

Vote to reveal counsel info

VOTE: The MM

nope.
Can't explainthe lack of deaths in this game. I doubt it is two consecutive nokills.

[shos]

There could be odd/even mechanics for scum kills..this would make explaining lack of kills easier...

[shos]

huh
I got a result.
VOTE: Flames

[shos]

why did you "suddenly" decide to look back at your role PM?

[shos]

It also occured to me to check my own n1 result and the result specifically names you - it doesnt name the target or nust give something thatbcan be interpretted otherwise, it speaks about YOU specifically. That means you probably are protecting your teammate davsto.

[shos]

That is the ppint, it didnot suddenly occur. I was thinking about youscum and what you can possibly say, and that lead me to check that option.

I dont suppose you oh suddenly thought oh maybe he wasnt supposed to see this truth statement, i better go check it out?

[shos]

Im confused
Will read again later

[shos]

I skimmed

why do people say it's a death miller? O_o
and VOTE: flames

[shos]

what's wrong with one ability?
also you're auto assuming that if scum, he was the one in charge? could he just be trying to post in his PT for another buddy maybe? O_o
I dunno, calling a death miller here is suuuper ballsy

[shos]

if scum, he doesn't have to be the one making the edits.

[shos]

Guys im sorry for lack of posting my dads helath suvks lately

[shos]

Spoiler: offtopic

so my dad's health deteriorated greatly the past day. He has MS and this is justanother step towards the ground.. In short - his bladder muscles no longer work, so he cant piss. On the one hand, he will be pissing me off less lol, on the other,he now has a permanent tube outta his bladder =/ the fuck...

Im back ingame. Will readup overnight, ill give this an hour from about 1 am.

Meanwhile - flames is 100% not ascetic. I got a result. He confirmed it is truth. THEN he decided he is ascetic. No brainer

[shos]

I took a look back and yes it does seem that The MM should have flipped scum. I don't know if I want to call it a death miller though, it is dangerous to assume less scum than normal.

reading up from page 63.

[shos]

Shos it's actually interesting how your results seem to contradict both on n1 and n2.

But I guess that can be interpreted that as me trying to defend davsto. Test it on n3 then to see if it's a lie then? And someone else can check if I'm actually ascetic if they want to

But my action can be confirmed - just ask Rylai and Lina
The bomb I planted on them - my accidental misdemeanour

Whether shos is the liar or his role - I don't know
We'll decide on that later - for now MM is the focus, yo

if you targetted the counsel, why did R&L get a bomb?

[shos]

Shos it's actually interesting how your results seem to contradict both on n1 and n2.

But I guess that can be interpreted that as me trying to defend davsto. Test it on n3 then to see if it's a lie then? And someone else can check if I'm actually ascetic if they want to

But my action can be confirmed - just ask Rylai and Lina
The bomb I planted on them - my accidental misdemeanour

Whether shos is the liar or his role - I don't know
We'll decide on that later - for now MM is the focus, yo

I was thinking maybe Shos was a Watcher and not a Tracker, but that doesn't explain the successful action on night 1.

Shos, can you confirm that you got "went nowhere" and not "No Result" on Night 1? Maybe you confused the two, check again.

I confirm. I definitely received a result, flames' name is written, and a went nowhere. not a noresult.

What is a desprado?

the one that kill the vig himself if target scum?

usually desperado kills scum target or self if town target. variations exist. I don't think any have been used in previous games.

[shos]

Spoiler: spoilered stuff

“Davsto could be faking his post restriction, don't trust him.”

― Anonymous

VOTECOUNT 3.1

The MM (7) [

L-1!

]:

malpascp, BulletNLynchproof, Davsto, Rylai & Lina, xyzzy, Flames682, Ircher

Flames682 (2):

SirCakez, shos

Not Voting (5):

Leather and Lace, The MM, The Counsel, The Counsel, Vedith

With 14 Votes, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-29 02:26:34)

For some reason Vedith is back from the dead! The amount needed to lynch has changed accordingly.

Well, looks like somebody got a little cocky.

The MM died, he was the Sneaky Bastard, aligned with the

Town

!

Spoiler:

Greetings, The MM, and welcome to

Everything Is a Lie Mafia 4

!

Sneaky Bastard

1-Shot Day-Desperado

Aligned with the Town

“Man is not what he thinks he is, he is what he hides.”
― André Malraux

Abilities:

1-Shot Day-Desperado -

Once during a day you may target a player in thread by posting "

Desperado: -name-

", if they are not aligned with the town they will die, otherwise you will.

Win-Conditions:

You win once all threats to the

Town

are no longer alive.

so
1. malpa is conftown?
2. has anyone claimed responsibility for reviving vedith?

[shos]

“Well...letting the cat out of the bag is a lot easier than putting it in.”

― Charles Martin

VOTECOUNT 3.3

Not Voting (13):

SirCakez, shos, Davsto, Leather and Lace, BulletNLynchproof, Rylai & Lina, malpascp, Vedith, Ircher, Flames682, xyzzy, The Counsel, The Counsel

With 13 Votes, it takes 7 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-29 02:26:34)

and still we have two counsel votes. Hey counsel, the vote that you do control. is it worth anything?

[shos]

also do we have newcomers in the counsel this day?

[shos]

So Cakez, Ircher, and Dav are all scum and Sho's is 3rd party.
We can lynch in any order.

???
is there any reasons for any of these 4 claims? specifically the first three??

[shos]

I hope that dayvig isn't real, would be a shame to be shot by the person I revived

why did you choose to revive vedith? and can you confirm that he has the same role/alignment?

Flames and shos are both probably scum with the contradicting results

I don't see how that makes us both scum?
I claim a result on flames.
flames confirms that result.
THEN he suddenly remembers he is ascetic.

if he was and I'm lying, how did I know he didn't go anywhere? especially in this game, that's super unlikely.

Flames and shos are both probably scum with the contradicting results

Flames is town.

did you say that flames was scum? you were mason with him and all?

[shos]

as I'm seeing some of my questions are being answered later in the game, don't re-respond if it is so. sorry.

Not by choice! I didn't know!
Wgeurts, he did fool me - I'm not your foe.

Unless I'm being fooled here.
Cakez is saying that he revived me but it didn't seem like I had to be revived, I could have stayed dead and had impact on the game from the graveyard or come back to life.

did you explkain what impact the graveyard has on game? is it profitable for town to know?

[shos]

ya I'm going to revive him tonight

something's wrong here.
two nights, no nightkills, and a town reviver multishot?

[shos]

can we just relynch vedith and then lynch flames or the other way around

[shos]

It would make an awful lot of aense if the resurrected were 3p.

[shos]

I once won a game twice this way lol
Got lynched d1 as jester, thwn was revived as survivor and outlasted everyone

[shos]

your vote for lilith2013 feels like you're just picking someone at random from that list, Ircher.

+1. I also dont see how flames gets by so easily for you

[shos]

So you are saying malpa s his scumbuddy? Based on just a random guess of what his role was?

[shos]

both dav and flames are super scum, and I honestly have no idea how this day is not ending. I've got nothing more to ramble on.

[shos]

The way I see it, Flames admitted to doing nothing N1, meaning my track report is reliable, meaning davsto is lying.

[shos]

Reveal that stuff in the counsel pt yo

also that fake post restriction...

[shos]

and if I'm at it already, there's also the coincidence that davsto said he targetted R&L only AFTER they said the got the bomb. Hence your action is not confirmed, meaning you ARE lying.

[shos]

R&L, did the PM you got specifies davs name?
If jot, then again, you are full of it..

[shos]

lol I call bullshit.
and currently you are the only one who claims to have a night action that does absolutely nothing. You planting bombs does not make people PGOs I assume, it makes them flammable for an arsonist or something alike.

You did not target R&L tonight. Perhaps you think it is also just a coincidence that I guessed correctly that flames did nothing N1?

[shos]

Perhaps you think it is also just a coincidence that I guessed correctly that flames did nothing N1?

[shos]

so insane...in a probable multiball, I called 2 people scum.. woooow

I can really not understand your resistance to lynching flames though

[shos]

tracker.
remind me that case, ircher? " you refuse to consider that, so I VOTE: shos", wasn't it? basically omgus, lol, despite my vote being on flames. how is occam's razor in?

[shos]

Does it matter? Am I voting dav? nope. I will have one more night of information before I try to get him lynched. So this discussion is useless. Flames is today.

[shos]

That is probably the dead thread's vote, as usual
VOTE: flames

[shos]

Oh please.

[shos]

site is back guys, proceed lynching flames

[shos]

This day is still ongoing and flames is not yet lynched.

Just letting you know guys in case you missed

[shos]

How has shos not got much traction
Despite the contradictiond

s

with his action?

Because this is EIAL?
the case on me is "he scumreads davsto".

[shos]

Alrighttttt who is british?
The use of the word bloody in the anon message gives it away

[shos]

indeed
and conveniently, the VCs always spoke against davsto.....I wonder... maybe I'm a really good scumhunter after all...

[shos]

I did not think about the me-faking-it thing indeed, thats legit. Guess this reasoning wprks just fpr me.

Re: my result
I might have been cprrect only once, that is true. But that does not matter, as I am indeed not voting davsto, or am I? Really, id understand your case if I was, but I am not and was not. The flames result could have been a complete coincidence, true, I just doubt it. The way flames claimed it after confirming it - was super bad imo, and that only comes aa an addition to the whole scum-in-the-masonry thing which by now is more than enough. I am not talking about vediths latest shit. The time when he was still town, that os where I take the read from.

Now, regarding the case on me, you say 'especially revolving around my role'. Huh? Where has that been ever said? Or you mean my results?

[shos]

A prod on the counsel?

[shos]

That is how I perceived it.
It didn't make sense that we have 3 extra votes in the setup and none of them actually do anything.

[shos]

*Sigh*
this town is a trainwreck
can't wait for davsto to be able to post so that he can actually show how "existent" is his case on me.

[shos]

*sigh*
and then either you or me will go "omg bastard game omg". yeah.. we'll see.

[shos]

I disagree on your 'either'. there has been a case on flames. there wasn't one on me.

[shos]

I'm willing to catch up and continue. If it helps, perhaps you can let a backup mod have all the information in case you need to disappear again. Life's important and all

[shos]

Nothing like EIAL <3