PTs Not Released - Why is this a Thing?

[Infinity 324]

Just wondering, would you restrict what the scum can and can't delete? Like if someone wanted you to delete/edit a post that said "xx is easily manipulated, we should keep him alive until lylo" would you allow it?

[Infinity 324]

Imo that's not the moderator interfering, that's just scum wanting to be nice but also wanting to communicate freely during the game.

[Infinity 324]

Imo scum should be able to choose if one of their insults is made public. The potential harm done by something like that is much higher than the potential information gain. Sure, some people would want to know if people thought they were easily manipulated, but most wouldn't, and I think scum should have that choice. I suppose it's not the worst thing in the world to force scum to word their posts like they would if they were in public, but the benefit of being able to save usually a handful of posts doesn't seem worth it to me.

[Infinity 324]

^^

[Infinity 324]

Imo the scum pt is part of the experience of the game

And I'm not saying scum pt should be allowed to be completely private. Just messages should be allowed to be deleted. Again, the conflict that could be caused by a negative message is a lot worse than the downside of 1 deleted post.

[Infinity 324]

To me it's not an issue of general beliefs or anything, it's an issue of which things are more important. Like, whether the scum chat is considered private or not depends on how the scum feel when they type in it and depends on each scum team. Some people think the scum chat is a critical part of the game, some would never bother to read them. But ultimately it's a very different question whether to withhold the whole thread or just a few posts. Again, even if I highly valued the information in the scum thread, the value of a few posts is questionable and allowing people to delete some posts if they said some potentially offensive things make sense to me. It's an advantage when working with private threads. But withholding the whole scum PT isn't something that should be taken lightly.

[Infinity 324]

But there is a sort of godfather effect with PTs. If they're usually release people can expect them to be release and get disappointed when they aren't.

[Infinity 324]

I still don't think that justifies refusing to delete any posts from the pt though

[Infinity 324]

I wouldn't refuse to delete any posts that could be offensive

[Infinity 324]

They're interesting to read and they help people get better at the game

[Infinity 324]

@FA: Say the scum communicated in the main game thread but their posts were hidden except for themselves. Would it make sense to always release all the hidden posts that weren't specifically requested to be deleted?

The fact that it's a separate thread is irrelevant to the conversation imo. It's a matter of how much information would you trade for how much privacy

[Infinity 324]

But the reason it's private is for the purposes of the game, not any other reason. If scum are expecting that the PTs be released, which they should be, I don't see a reason to delete any requested posts and release the PT.

[Infinity 324]

I think it's reasonable to make mods says they will release the scum PTs post game if they will.

I don't see a specific issue with refusing to withhold the entire PT if the players know it's coming.

[Infinity 324]

Pedit: yes, what infinity said..the conversation isn't private because the people involved expect it to never be shared. It's private because the game requires a means of private communication between members of the scum team.

It simply doesn't matter.

Its a private thing - either announce your going to betray the term privacy or keep it private if the involved players ask you to. I beleive the second is better, more legit and understandable and more fair.

You didn't say you had an issue with that, you said you preferred doing things differently.

I suppose it's a personal sentiment I don't really understand.

[Infinity 324]

But I don't understand a specific reason why you'd want the PT to not be released at all in some cases instead of saying the PT will be released, deleting specific posts, then releasing it.

[Infinity 324]

I understand that we have different concepts of privacy and that we will probably never agree.

I don't think you've explained your side as well as I would like you to. Explain that last sentence in the above post again. That's what I wanted to hear your side on.

[Infinity 324]

Oh

[Infinity 324]

I still think it's on the players if they miss something potentially offensive

[Infinity 324]

Hmm

You might have a point

[Infinity 324]

Dreal, it's true you have to draw the line somewhere but I don't think it makes much sense to draw the line where insulting someone related to a game over Skype is not allowed