Open 656- Tit For Tat - Endgame

[TwiszTed]

Look at that scum 180 degree turn around.
Fascinating.

What does scum stand to gain with a read flip on you two posts apart?

[TwiszTed]

You keep being vague

Fine, if you think I'm being vague, then ask me exactly what you want me to explain/elaborate on.

Don't you just call me scum because of that, interact with me if you're really interested in finding out my alignment.

For the 3rd fucking time what fucking things do you think is similar to our last fucking game together?

Fucking overplayed.

[TwiszTed]

It's really not your fault MDS.
Well not only, this game is massive circle jerk that I am tired of taking part in.
Worst is the farside and NJAC back and forth from last page.

I don't care if I'm right anymore, I am not seeing how this game will be fun for me.
Vote who you want to MDS, I am not bullying anyone here. Vote who you think is right.

I'm sorry.
I was just feeling frustrated.
I'll step back if it helps, I'm trying to work on not being that asshat

If you have to point it out, you're not selling it very well.

[TwiszTed]

Screw it, I can support a farside lynch.

VOTE: farside

[Plotinus]

Ironstove replaces Fire ASsassin! Please welcome them!

[ironstove]

Hi guys, I'll catch up in the next 48 hours and share my thoughts.

[farside22]

Pfft.
Wow talk about cherry picking post.
You think a 180 post with nothing in between is town?
The number of tills Gamma flip flop on reads prior to my replacement does not equal town posting.
Plus as I stated attacking hark to following his read makes no sense.
Second, since your post read as IIOA, the number of times njac repeated the same thing without responding my questions was countless.

[TwiszTed]

Look at that scum 180 degree turn around.
Fascinating.

What does scum stand to gain with a read flip on you two posts apart?

[farside22]

Look at that scum 180 degree turn around.
Fascinating.

What does scum stand to gain with a read flip on you two posts apart?

Easy wagon to jump on vs the hard one

[TwiszTed]

Look at that scum 180 degree turn around.
Fascinating.

What does scum stand to gain with a read flip on you two posts apart?

Easy wagon to jump on vs the hard one

They wouldn't have known that two posts earlier?

[ironstove]

Hey host, can you please update the OP with the dead/alive list? I got hella confused I didn't realize we're in mylo (?)

Still reading the game.

[eagerSnake]

Yes please update OP for all the new replacements

Thank you

[ironstove]

Cursory look we have 6 players, and 1 vigi.

Meta question - If the vigi shoots but is targeted for the NK does the vigi shot get negated?

Harkonnen97
FancyPants,
eagerSnake,
Ironstove/

Fire Assassin,

Infinity324,
farside22

[ironstove]

Firstly I think we should hustle towards a lynch, 5 days with a weekend in between is really not a lot of time.

Now for a quick catch up, going over my thoughts on everybody in no particular order.

I think the

Alban

is probably town -

4. Most importantly, in a game where you need 7 to lynch me, 5 of you are currently voting against me. What's the likelihood that half of the players have formed an opinion against a player so quickly? What is the voted player likely to be in the case? Will the consensus happen so quickly if I were mafia?
.

Some good paranoia in this line, I don't necessarily agree with the logic but I can see the town thought process.

Don't like this post by

Persephone

131, seem more interested in not looking like scum rather than lynching scum.

I haven't really liked

Textcat

worrying over people's town reads (86 and 102), it feels scummy and counter productive. Nothing wrong with town-reading, but I feel scum want the potential pool of suspects to remain as large as possible.
However this post:

who else beside yuria is ur scumbuddy texie ?

And when did you quit beating your wife?

Are you trying to tie me to Yuria? Why?

Is interesting, I think fearing being tied to someone is a very townie response, townies don't know who is scum and therefore don't want to be tied to anyone. In fact there is an advantage for scum cat to be tied to town Yuria.
Therefore I come to the conclusion that textcat and yuria are scum together, or neither are scum (more likely at this stage).

Hark

is probably town but that whole scum claiming business is pretty annoying and anti-town. Do you get Nk'ed early in games often?

Yuria

seems to be game-solving for me, but I can see her potentially fooling me.

Gamma

is pretty null, struggling to get a read, why do you town read textcat gamma?

NJAC

is a town lean but has collectively said very little.

I''m town reading both

Eager

and

Fire Assasin

for similar reasons (that basically boils down to a IDGAF attitude).

That leaves the lurkers of Kop, Sgz and Persephone.
I can definitely see two scum in those three.

I kinda like Persephone because of 131. I can live with Kop as well.

For now.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Persephone
Look at her ISO, I could definitely see her being newb-scum who is unable to play due to not knowing how to manufacture reads.

Interesting.

[ironstove]

Since we're in a 2:4 setup, with last 2 mafia as rolecop + jailer, can we have a mass claim of the PRs? No need to specify which PR you are, but I think popcorn claiming here is the best play. I'm still finishing up the read, but I'm beginning to formulate ideas on who I think is mafia, and I would suggest we popcorn claim to see what the net catches if all of you are fine with this.

[ironstove]

Yea, I actually have a suggestion on two routes we can take which I think is optimal play for town, however I'd like everyone's feedback on the popcorn claim.

[ironstove]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... im#Popcorn

BTW for those that aren't familiar with what I'm talking about.

[ironstove]

Popcorn
In this claim method, the players choose by consensus one of the scummier players to claim first. As each player claims, they declare the next person to claim. The effectiveness of this approach is entirely dependent on how "close" the players are to finding the scum.

[eagerSnake]

I'd like a pros and cons list for mass claiming right now from everyone

until then I vote Nay

[ironstove]

Why do you vote nay?

[ironstove]

You can't ask everyone to thoroughly explain their detailed strategy on why they should and should not mass claim so you can have an intricate understanding of how to counter their strategies yet not share your reasons for opposition to it.... That's just not fair, even if your reasons are complete lies and bullshit, at least entertain me with something...

[ironstove]

I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Deal?

[ironstove]

Interestingly, I think that hark/ted's slot this game is town however in the last game I had hark in newbie 1730, he replaced in as scum, and he was almost immediately caught and failed to town clear himself. He basically threw a giant bitch fit and replaced himself out within a few days in the game. Go ahead and read it, it's pretty hilarious.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67705

Also, I'll admit that it being my first game on MS, I raged pretty hard and threw the game in LYLO by intentionally throwing my vote so scum could blitz. Obv I don't plan to make the same mistakes again, but you never know, there ain't no cure for stupid.

[ironstove]

Like, I keep mixing up the FA and hark slots, but FA is town, he was a god awful town... No joke... LOL. BUT he's town. He was in another game with me as well, he's just not a very good player in general, neither is hark. I've never been very impressed with either one's play and they should honestly quit the site if they've been playing here this long and haven't been able to improve. In hark's defense I don't think english is his native language, which explains why he derps so hard when it comes to communicating effectively with other players in the game.

[ironstove]

Anyway, I think the popcorn claim is legit because:

1. It forces scum to react and engage in the game in some way, it brings everyone into the spotlight to present an answer, and the first people to popcorn don't necessarily know if they're going to be countered by the people following up.

2. Potentially provides a more clear picture based on the responses received for town to navigate and determine who is/is not a PR.

3. At this point, because we are in MYLO, and we know the PR is vigi + backup role cop, and we also know that retarded town basically worked together with mafia on page 46 to rolefish the vigi, so there is very little benefit to keeping the PRs hidden at this point, I have a inkling of a feeling that mafia already know who vigi is and will probably jail him the rest of the game less we manage to lynch the jailer.