Mini Normal 1844 Firework Mafia. Game Over

[mhsmith0]

True on both counts.

[mhsmith0]

No, me. Or I can become a jester and self vote that'd be cool too

[mhsmith0]

Nah roleblock means you go nowhere.

[mhsmith0]

I'd bet the game on Jae being town at this point. Obv impo is town too.

[mhsmith0]

Even night strongman maybe? Or they just were REALLY scared that ccc would be on right track?

[mhsmith0]

please can i be deconfirmed as town

I want to be scum in this one

[mhsmith0]

Cloud had ELITE jester play here tho.

[mhsmith0]

Btw, I'm weak visitor. That's why I basically knew ccc was town, barring a theoretical role block. Now I need to decide whether to bet the game on jae being town or running an elite scam. Decisions decisions...

[mhsmith0]

And if you look at my d2 you'd see how I was consistently keeping ccc at the top of my town reads. That's why.

I was actually gonna visit trans n1 and soft but lol hammer happened first so I had to pick an actual strong town read.

[mhsmith0]

Yep. At this point I need to bet the game on someone.

Jae, why did you track me n1 and cloud n2? And why scum read me d2 after tracking me to someone who didn't die?

[mhsmith0]

Didn't. Odd night.

[mhsmith0]

I try not to beat people over the head with my results, especially since it's possible that I was rbd somehow. The closest to a soft was that I kept ccc on top of town reads no matter what.

[mhsmith0]

at any time sonia is gonna come smash a hammer on all of us so we mgiht as well try our best now

This would normally be accompanied by actual effort

[mhsmith0]

My town is impo
My town leans are jae Io and trans
My POE can decide among themselves which of them they want to vote since I doubt it's 3/3.

[mhsmith0]

at any time sonia is gonna come smash a hammer on all of us so we mgiht as well try our best now

This would normally be accompanied by actual effort

i already said i think trasncend is maf with IO

Were there reasons or just blanket statements? You did say you need to try your best.

[mhsmith0]

Actually trans is null. Could easily be scum here.

Lean town Io tho setup spec could make that one interesting. Don't want her to die in first LYLO at least.

[mhsmith0]

at any time sonia is gonna come smash a hammer on all of us so we mgiht as well try our best now

This would normally be accompanied by actual effort

i already said i think trasncend is maf with IO

Were there reasons or just blanket statements? You did say you need to try your best.

AS IN THE TOWN HERE WE CAN TRY OUR BEST TO SCUM HUNT

And I said, you should have actual effort here if you're going to call for effort. Or you could just LOL cat if scum I guess.

[mhsmith0]

Does me swearing on my ass and my life mean nothing lol.

Nope lol

[mhsmith0]

trasncedn could be maf i could see that very likely yes

And reasons are___? Again, you're promising effort so doubtless you'll have something useful here.

[mhsmith0]

If anyone is uncomfortable w me betting the game on town!jae speak now or forever stfu in post game.

[mhsmith0]

I'm townie. Vanilla townie

Thoughts on anything at all useful?

[mhsmith0]

I asked if you had thoughts on anythign useful. A vt claim isn't particularly useful.

That said, what convinced you on rb?

[mhsmith0]

Technically impo is safest but at some point you have to roll the dice. Obv if jae is scum then it's gg unless I suss out and go to impo instead. Also don't track me jae, track someone who might actually be scum just in case they shoot impo instead of you.

[mhsmith0]

Because at this point I'm a hindrance to town. I have no good reads. I have no night action. And I'm read as scummy.

Are you aware there was a lynch and this is twilight?

[mhsmith0]

2 way now lol

[mhsmith0]

Yep. Part of me tinfoiling about jae being scum tracker, but idk why scum tracker would prioritize me n1 or not shoot me n2 given that they'd KNOW I was pr, especially given the "I have a clear on ccc but I'm trying to be subtle about it" bit.

[mhsmith0]

VOTE: titus

Easy game.

I'm actually weak odd night DOCTOR. Lolol wolves.

[mhsmith0]

Also I guess it's not Io-transcend, was super worried she was going for the win by getting me to visit her buddy and blame jae for my night flip.

[mhsmith0]

Btw, feel free to skim my early day two talking about my conclusion that trans was NOT scum because ccc did NOT die n1. THAT was why I protected him, because I was tinfoiling on trans, and figured scum!trans would likely kill ccc.

[mhsmith0]

Also jae you can look at my hood chat to see how I was working on Io with fake setup spec and trying to divert her to a maybe PR (no point saying who here), in case that person died (in which case I'd have hard driven an Io lynch today).

[mhsmith0]

Also I was trying to super down play my role especially since she'd speculated in hood I was doc, since I REALLY didn't want to get shot last night for obvious reasons.

[mhsmith0]

Well frankly the visitor thing was partially me tinfoiling and panicking after seeming mislynch and trash!town showing by cloud. So basically if I survived jae was conf!town (and maybe gets a useful result) and if not then game over lol.

[mhsmith0]

Even night doc. Would make sense given my odd night. I think he claimed just the one n2 visit?

[mhsmith0]

I mean we can still mass claim for the lulz, but unless we think after mass claim that full doc + odd night doc is plausible setup wise I'd say that Titus is basically outed (sorry Titus <3 )

[mhsmith0]

So presuming all VT claims, ? is if

1-shot gs
Odd night weak doc
Tracker
Neighborizer

Is enough power against a 3 goon team. It's fairly obvious my role is swingy as hell (again, smith GOAT ), so it becomes whether it's overall enough to counter a potential n1 derp by my role. I tentatively say yes, though obviously if scum have power (role block strongman etc) it's at least conceivable that Sonia went weird w town design. Titus like 90% wolf here tho I think.

[mhsmith0]

I wonder if fakeclaiming VT as town doc is something anyone has ever done before? ROFL.

Sorry I know it's bad for town but that's so shit I have to laugh

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At least my read on Cloud being a potato, albeit a town potato, is now proven correct.

Never go full potato Cloud

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This doesn't look like a slot that is the real Town Doctor with Cloud's fakeclaim.

You are misinterpreting those posts.

He's saying the theory that Cloud is fake claiming Doctor is preposterous. Look at his tone. The entire time, RB thinks we had hit scum because of this trolling.

Actually he's pretty explicitly calling Cloud a town dumbass, not a caught scum. Like, literally he's reacting with "I totally think Cloud is town here" text.

[mhsmith0]

@Titus: here are cleared townies

me
Jae
Impo

if you want to argue that you're a for real doc, you need to

1) Figure out a scum team that actually makes sense given the clears
2) Figure out how a full doc and an odd night weak doc make sense in setup

because you have literally no chance of getting me lynched here. My postings have been EXTREMELY consistent with my role, including my n1 visit to CCC and its result, my reaction to cloud's seeming game throw was EXTREMELY difficult to fake, and my talk in the hood was completely consistent with trying to potentially fake out Io if she was somehow scum.

Zero of these things are reasonably within my scum range.

[mhsmith0]

Despite that, you aren't confirmed town, are you?

not mod confirmed, but by now I should be very very very very very obvious town, with my role claim, my actions supporting that claim, my early D2 posts consistent with that claim (including pretty much explaining why I targeted CCC there), my reaction to the cloud lynch, and my posts in the hood (the last of which you obviously can't see).

[mhsmith0]

You mean you visit CCC night 1 and he dies night 2.
I love how you pat yourself on the back saying your reaction was difficult to fake, yet you slipped (and I believe someone quoted it unless that's the liquor talking) that you believed Clod. That isn't a town doctor reaction. A town doctor would know it's a lie and try to hide it, thus generating a fake reaction.
I don't have any idea what you said in the hood, but you are scum.

You have a zero percent chance of getting me lynched and you tried to intimidate me. I stare down fights from scum on a daily basis.

Fight me. In the process, you'll tell me your buddy.

With my ability only being odd night, it was very obviously possible that there was SOME kind of even night protective role (doc, jk, rb), so the idea that cloud was a doc, just an even night doc, seemed pretty realistic. Moreover, the way he reacted to his lynch seemed genuine, adding to my belief in it.

But doubtless you can mine my work so far for a fake theory about how I'm scum with cloud and ___. I look forward to your spew

[mhsmith0]

But from Titus's pov, you are practically a CC, so you aren't really confirmed town to them and telling them to appeal to you as if you were seems really strange to me.

It's conceivable at least on a theory basis, in part because I've seen some bizarre setups go through normal review, and it really depends on how much NRG would value a neighborizer and an odd night weak doc, both of which are pretty non-standard roles. It seems really strange for it to actually be the case, but I'm at least going to consider the possibility.

I also don't want to give Titus the easy out (presuming she's scum, which is pretty likely) of just trying to 1v1 me and not bother having to engage with anything else.

[mhsmith0]

I am a full doc.

Vote me scum.

VOTE: titus

Easy game.

I'm actually weak odd night DOCTOR. Lolol wolves.

[mhsmith0]

Btw, I'm pretty sure this is 100% what not to do in this situation. At least lynching in the doc claims gives us 1 for 1, and we don't have to try to sort between them in lylo. I don't believe there could be 2 town docs. Not even with smith's claim being as swingy as it is.

It would require substantial scum power. The problem is, I've seen Normal setups that are closer to role madness than standard normal games, most notably chilledtea's one, which had a five town PR's (mainly shitty ones) and two full scum PR's (mainly designed to tear through town power). Titus could probably attest to that given that she was scum in that game (and I still hold that the setup was ludicrously scum-sided by MS standards, with the ultimate derp moment being when a reviewer decided that when I BG'd someone and died that was more pro town than if I was a doctor and stopped the kill).

[mhsmith0]

Now that we've established that I missed your vote, you can stop looking for an exit hatch.

You're scum. You can talk about everyone else to look for an exit hatch. You want a diversion. That's the same reason you talked to me about finding others as if I was town.

Eat rope.

Still not gonna happen. If you really want to thunderdome this and totally ignore the rest of the game state, you can, but it's increasingly obvious to me that you're intentionally avoiding any kind of useful commentary because you're in anti-spew mode.

[mhsmith0]

Yeah, scum have ridiculous power to explain why we're both town and how you investigate when we have a tracker and heal when we have a doctor.

They don't.

They lack a roleblocker or a strongman as evidenced by JaeReed getting a result on me

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Actually that's a fair point. I guess it's thunderdome then. At least this will make the re-read more interesting. Sorry you replaced into a scum role again; fortunately you won't escape like you did in 1775.

[mhsmith0]

Oh, I love you starting the Titus is good at scum shade.

Your role cannot exist.

Two or three investigatives and a protective while scum can do nothing? Don't think so. That would never pass balance.

You went for more utility in your fakeclaim for the tiebreaker and got busted.

You do realize that I claimed odd night weak visitor D3, AND claimed my target of Jae, right? I await your theory about why I'd do this in advance of a doc claim which (presuming I'm scum fake-claiming) very well might not exist at all.

[mhsmith0]

No, you claimed weak visitor. No odd-night affix.

See

Btw, I'm weak visitor. That's why I basically knew ccc was town, barring a theoretical role block. Now I need to decide whether to bet the game on jae being town or running an elite scam. Decisions decisions...

Didn't. Odd night.

[mhsmith0]

mhsmith0 claimed a role that overloads town given how little power scum must have. A weak doctor, gs, and tracker with no scum power.
It would never pass review. Scum would be PoEd unless they made perfect kills.

A limited weak doctor is super swingy, a 1-shot GS is like a bit of icing on the cake, and a tracker is mediocre utility in a game of this size (with neighborizer a role I don't really have a sense of the power of). Frankly, the reason why I gave your claim any credence at all is that I think you can make a case that town is UNDER-powered given the roles on the board against a three-goon (or two goon and something small like encryptor or 1-shot role cop or the like) team.

[mhsmith0]

Essentially for me to be a scum PR, it'd have to be:

Not strongman (since someone else died N1)
Not roleblocker (since CCC got a result)
Not role cop (because I'm not an idiot wrt night kills, and would shoot a 1-shot GS exactly never)

So you're basically down to something like neapolitan or vanilla cop or tracker, and it's kind of a weird thing for a scum PR to visit CCC on N1 unless there was some kind of PR soft that I'd missed. If I'm scum I'd be a lot more likely to visit one of the people hanging back to find out if they were either a PR or (if not) a good potential mislynch wagon on D2/3.

[mhsmith0]

Impoetic is cleared by CCC's gunsmith shot. Not sure what to make of that derpclear attempt; obviously scum would 100% know that Impo was cleared (unless we're truly dealing with lol wolves), so if Hermie genuinely didn't know, then it's a legit derpclear. The problem I have is, I'm skeptical Hermie didn't now, given the seeming effort he made to re-read the thread in order to pick out specific Impo quotes.

[mhsmith0]

meh, i'll look back to see if titus/hermie make sense together. def. not tongiht though.

[mhsmith0]

What are your thoughts on their play? You made a big deal about not having narrow focus and now you avoid comments on Hermie.

I thought Hermie was more interesting and pushy in the newbie game when we were together as town, and here he's been more UTR. I haven't really been digging for connections, though, and frankly I spent a decent chunk of N3 tinfoiling that it was Io/Trans and I was gonna get NK'd by being too obvious about trying to bury Io's doc read of me, and any time when I think there's a realistic chance that I'd die, I'm a lot less likely to put a lot of attention into a thread.

The whole cloud lynch cluster was also kind of exhausting, so in large part I've put this game on the backburner.

[mhsmith0]

Mhsmith. My mq is the exact reason I've been quiet this game. Any time I think I have come up with something it's because I missed some vital part of information that makes what ever it is I'm pushing at that Moment entirely irrelevant.

mq?

[mhsmith0]

Tbh, I am leaning mhsmith0 and Transcend.

spicy. What makes you think me and trans fit together?

[mhsmith0]

Transcends entrance did not make a lick of sense.

He said in twilight nobody vote.
He votes my slot early on entrance.
When he sees it is me, he switches to buddying tone but tries to justify still voting me.
The introduction to me seems to know a CC is coming and he wants to be on my good side.
He also weakly distances from you and vanishes when the CC hits the fan.

The "don't quick vote" -> "quick votes" only works as a contradiction if you ignore the context of expecting a cloud town flip. If he's scum, then he knew that a scum flip was coming, so the first part was noise. If he's town, then he actually expected a town flip, and of course you'd want to hammer home the point of not letting the wolves get a quick hammer going.

I'll tentatively agree that the backout of the scum read was awkward, though I don't especially see why a theoretical scum-buddy of mine would do that given that I've been a more solid town read than your slot, and I'd already (in that world) had a fake claim pretty well prepped. Why get into the middle of it there for no real gain at all?

[mhsmith0]

Yup, mhsmith finds time to defend Transcend but not actually answer on H.

Gg scum. Now it's just convincing JaeReed and I and the rest of the town to do the right thing.

I'd given a short answer (different from his newbie game), and said I'd re-read in detail later. "Later" has not yet arrived.

[mhsmith0]

I'm not going to have time for this one until the weekend. Sorry guys.

btw Jae, as a tip for the future, in the spot where Titus was pushing you to claim a result, it's better to insist on a mass claim first (and in fact to insist on this before saying anything about who you tracked and what you found). That way she's forced to make a claim without knowing whether or not you actually know anything about her slot.

[mhsmith0]

OK IM HERE AND IM MAKING A LONG POST CAUSE I FORGOT ABOUT THIS GAME BUT WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS GAME I ROLLED UNIVERSAL BACKUP I THINK ITS CALLED WHICH SAYS WHEN A TOWN POWER ROLE HAS DIED YOU WILL TAKE OVER THEIR ABILITIES/ POWERS SO WHEN THAT ONE KID DIED WHO WAS GUNSMITH I WAS LIKE COOL I GET TO GIVE SOMEONE GUN BUT NO THAT ISNT WHAT THIS DOES APPARENTLY MEANS I TARGET A NIGHT TO LEARN IF THEY HAVE A GUN??? SO THE WIKI I READ SAID MEMBERS OF THE MAFIA THAT ARE NOT DOCTORS COPS FBI AGENTS VIGILANTES OTHER GUNSMITHS PARANOID GUN OWNERS ETC ALL HAVE GUNS IN TRADITIONAL FLAVOR NOTABLY SERIAL KLLER AND DOCTORS DO NOT HAVE GUNS SO I CHECKED TRANSCEND AND SONIA TOLD ME HE HAD A GUN IS THIS BAD IS TRANSCEND MAF?? IDK U TELL ME IM JUST SAYING MY REPORT BOYS

lol, 1 of 2 things just happened:

1) Sonia just used a VERY non-normal application of UB
2) VW just claimed wolf

[mhsmith0]

Trans, just for the absolute record, you aren't claiming any kind of role with gun, correct? Just on the SUPER outside chance Sonia went super wacky on game design?

[mhsmith0]

VOTE: vwxyz

lol wolves
just became
ROFL wolves

[mhsmith0]

@Titus: this is the sort of thing you're supposed to coach against in scum chat
*wags finger*

[mhsmith0]

If someone wants me to explain why VW's claim is 100% impossible in standard normal design I'd be happy to by the way.

[mhsmith0]

Yeah VWXYZ is brand new to the site

There's no fucking way that this

wasn't

was coached by Titus.

IFYP
but yeah

Titus being derpy is town Titus. Wolf!Titus doesn't pull terrible stunts like this or tell her teammates to either.

[mhsmith0]

OK IM HERE AND IM MAKING A LONG POST CAUSE I FORGOT ABOUT THIS GAME BUT WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS GAME I ROLLED UNIVERSAL BACKUP I THINK ITS CALLED WHICH SAYS WHEN A TOWN POWER ROLE HAS DIED YOU WILL TAKE OVER THEIR ABILITIES/ POWERS SO WHEN THAT ONE KID DIED WHO WAS GUNSMITH I WAS LIKE COOL I GET TO GIVE SOMEONE GUN BUT NO THAT ISNT WHAT THIS DOES APPARENTLY MEANS I TARGET A NIGHT TO LEARN IF THEY HAVE A GUN??? SO THE WIKI I READ SAID MEMBERS OF THE MAFIA THAT ARE NOT DOCTORS COPS FBI AGENTS VIGILANTES OTHER GUNSMITHS PARANOID GUN OWNERS ETC ALL HAVE GUNS IN TRADITIONAL FLAVOR NOTABLY SERIAL KLLER AND DOCTORS DO NOT HAVE GUNS SO I CHECKED TRANSCEND AND SONIA TOLD ME HE HAD A GUN IS THIS BAD IS TRANSCEND MAF?? IDK U TELL ME IM JUST SAYING MY REPORT BOYS

just for kicks...

so why check trans last night instead of sometime earlier?

[mhsmith0]

mhsmith0's guide to fake claiming:

1) Don't unless you're about to get lynched or think someone has a guilty on you.
2) If you do fake claim, make sure that you've done things like:
- check the rules of the game and how your fake role is supposed to function
- ask your teammate(s) "Is this a terrible idea"
- think twice before actually going through with it

^note that said advice does not apply if you're a jester

This has been a public service announcement by mhsmith0.

[mhsmith0]

@Mod would a theoretical backup receiving a 1-shot role have the shot refunded?

having been in normal review before, and skimmed some other review topics, the answer should be no; UB inheriting JOAT, for instance, gets the stuff that hasn't been used only.

She can't answer that but I'll ask anyway lol

she might! (but would probably have to check with co-mods or NRG to make sure she's allowed to)

[mhsmith0]

5 power roles is fucking impossible

Just lynch VWXYZ and win the game.

5 PR's is possible. THESE 5 PR's? Super unlikely. I don't even know how neighborizer would work with a UB, for instance.

[mhsmith0]

@Mod would a theoretical backup receiving a 1-shot role have the shot refunded?

Yes

that's... strange...

[mhsmith0]

OK IM HERE AND IM MAKING A LONG POST CAUSE I FORGOT ABOUT THIS GAME BUT WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS GAME I ROLLED UNIVERSAL BACKUP I THINK ITS CALLED WHICH SAYS WHEN A TOWN POWER ROLE HAS DIED YOU WILL TAKE OVER THEIR ABILITIES/ POWERS SO WHEN THAT ONE KID DIED WHO WAS GUNSMITH I WAS LIKE COOL I GET TO GIVE SOMEONE GUN BUT NO THAT ISNT WHAT THIS DOES APPARENTLY MEANS I TARGET A NIGHT TO LEARN IF THEY HAVE A GUN??? SO THE WIKI I READ SAID MEMBERS OF THE MAFIA THAT ARE NOT DOCTORS COPS FBI AGENTS VIGILANTES OTHER GUNSMITHS PARANOID GUN OWNERS ETC ALL HAVE GUNS IN TRADITIONAL FLAVOR NOTABLY SERIAL KLLER AND DOCTORS DO NOT HAVE GUNS SO I CHECKED TRANSCEND AND SONIA TOLD ME HE HAD A GUN IS THIS BAD IS TRANSCEND MAF?? IDK U TELL ME IM JUST SAYING MY REPORT BOYS

just for kicks...

so why check trans last night instead of sometime earlier?

N2 CCC died
N3 VW claims to have checked Transcend after getting CCC's role.

You should know he couldn't have checked anyone earlier.

Oh, right. Derp on my end I guess.

[mhsmith0]

Sonia's fave role is UB tho isn't it? I can see her putting one in.

UNVOTE:
UB inheriting used shots is freaking bizarre. I guess I need to take that idea seriously then.

[mhsmith0]

Well I guess smith v titus isn't going to get resolved today

[mhsmith0]

I mean, if we get trans vs vw correct we auto win I think. At least worth making a full re-read before going further.

[mhsmith0]

@Mod would a theoretical backup receiving a 1-shot role have the shot refunded?

Yes

VOTE: Transcend

throwing in the towel, but i wanna know who the fuck reviewed this because this setup was absolutely fucking bonkers

sorry to my partner in docs, but VW's crumb is way too good and it's just gonna end up in me inevitably being lynched.

the scum roles there were, were not good enough to counter the bullshit that was this.

sorry about this.

VOTE: trans

FWIW I agree; barring some kind of decent scum power this seems pretty town sided (unless they just thought that the weak doc would screw up the visits). Looking forward to the smith v titus showdown tomorrow, though frankly I don't see how she can avoid getting caught.

[mhsmith0]

proud of how i played and if it weren't for the ridiculous amount of power roles, we would've been absolutely fine probably would've gotten a win.

You played well, and lost due to a town-sided setup and good use of night power by town PR's, which is something that just can't be predicted.

[mhsmith0]

@Io, @Jae
Smith goes from GOAT to super duper duper GOAT for not swapping onto Trans btw

[mhsmith0]

it's already autowin just end this piece of shit game i'm incredibly salty

I don't blame you sorry trans
(FWIW you did a good job pocketing me along the way, and a nice job attempting to divert today's lynch onto a VT)

[mhsmith0]

Just for kicks, comparing the five town PR's in this game vs the last mini I played in, town had more power by itself, and presumably here it's goonx3 where that one was two full (and super useful) scum PR's. Kind of a surprising swing in the sidedness of the games IMO, unless NRG just presumed that the weak doc would screw up and destroy town (which in fairness was possible). I'd say that a game heavily dependent on whether a single PR basically blows it is kind of weird though.

[mhsmith0]

huh. Kind of interesting I guess. Lucky you guys didn't hit me then I guess.

[mhsmith0]

I'm pretty sure the thing VW did to get modkilled was the avatar bit btw.

@titus: gj to fight through it, you played well in a tough spot. I think you and trans should have shot me though, since I'd made it clear I was protecting jae and you'd role copped me doc (unless trans was bsing there).

[mhsmith0]

Bgs are virtually never better than docs. Anyone who actually thinks bg > doc in all but EXTREMELY rare situations simply has no idea what they're talking about.

[mhsmith0]

Well tell that to cfj then because he doesn't get it.

I did he still doesn't get it

[mhsmith0]

Anyway, this game was fun. Possibly a touch town sided, but town PRs were generally pretty weak, and scum had a good amount of investigative power, so I don't think that it was especially town sided. Town PRs generally made very good use of abilities, and scum didn't do a good job with night shots. and MS meta is that if both those things happen, town will win.

[mhsmith0]

Yeah Jae played tracker very well. Some luck/swing in that, more than sidedness I htink.

FWIW I think town would have been pretty salty if the doc hit scum without crumbing n1 and cost town a mislynch with very little useful power left over, and/or if scum role copped tracker n1 and got an easy N2 shot there. There were definitely ways for town to get screwed here I htink.

[mhsmith0]

Town might have lost without losing any scum if it weren't for the damn prs.

obligatory

[mhsmith0]

An interesting note from public balance discussion:

I see a lot of people making comments about the balance of a game after its finished, usually with the result dictating whether or not it was fair for either side, but you can't judge one game without looking at the whole picture. And the whole picture says we're giving mafia too much power, and town not enough. Collectively our instincts for what is balanced in a 13 player game is still wrong.

Personally, I think power distribution shouldn't deviate too far from this:

3 Goons

-

3 Strong Powers

OR

4 Middling to Strong Powers

2 Goons, 1 Mafia PR

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4 Strong Powers

OR

5 Middling to Strong Powers

1 Goon, 2 Mafia PR's

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5 Middling to Strong Powers

[mhsmith0]

rip me 2016

It's a learning experience. Now that you know not to do that, you'll be a better player for it.

[mhsmith0]

I had the most fun when i claimed doc :3 you guys actually bought my claim <3 hihihi

Lol yeah that had to have been fun, damn near gave me a heart attack.

[mhsmith0]

It's unfortunate that it happened, and I think it was handnled in the correct way by the mods.

[mhsmith0]

I forgive you rb

[mhsmith0]

Yeah but Io REALLY thought that slot was scum

[mhsmith0]

I'm pretty sure at some point I said my next top scum read aside from Titus was RB or Hermie.

THAT'S THE SAME SLOT

Yeah but Io REALLY thought that slot was scum

[mhsmith0]

once trans died it was over, since either jae died and titus became policy lynch or jae lived and now town had 3x lynches before losing. titus could have hung on and tried to get me first out of pride, but it was pretty much a mechanically locked game barring epic town derp.

[mhsmith0]

I mean I had reasonably likely PR or wolf for gerry just cuz I figured VT wouldn't lol hammer like that. lol smith

[mhsmith0]

I blame canada

[mhsmith0]

I'm actually pretty happy w the win, since I'm now back to .500 as town across all sites, and have a winning record in mini normals (2-1 lol), which I THINK are the most scum-sided win rate across MS boards.

[mhsmith0]

Sometimes mafia can be a very silly game

[mhsmith0]

Day play favored scum, night play favored town. It's unfortunate for scum, but town PRs played well and scum took bad shots (jae shot especially bad given knowledge that I was gonna doc him... and if it was 100% tracking Titus, that's when you have trans shoot me). Site meta that scums night game has to be strong to win, in part because towns usually play badly during the day.

[mhsmith0]

They didn't deserve the win over town. Town early game day play sucked, but that's actually pretty common. Once first scum flip happened (and generally you do expect one scum to flip due to town power), game started to condense in a way that naturally favors town (though further town PR effectiveness clearly helped). And scum made three consecutive poor night kills:

- Gerry was pretty disassociated from the game and low energy, presuming he was PR was a gamble that backfired. He was a better role cop target, since if VT he could easily be pushed on future days for his effective lol hammer.
- ccc was trying to die. Some wifom there as always, but he made ZERO effort to hide his result or downplay his pr. And per trans, scum knew that I was doc, and cloud knew that Io was neighborizer. Either was a better shot than ccc in that spot.
- jae was a really bad shot given that they knew I was doc and visiting him. Just a total giveaway of a night kill when me or Io were useful targets. And having Titus shoot when they "knew" she'd be tracked was deeply sub-optimal; in that situation/read, trans should ALWAYS make that shot, as role cop was relatively low value there.

In most situations, unless scum blow up useful town PRs, scum lose. Scum made bad shots, town PRs made good night actions, and scum lost pre LYLO.

On the one hand that seems to be asking a lot of scum, but in the other, scum win mini normals at around a 2/3 rate, so usually they're up to the task.

That said, I think scum payed quite well during the day, and that was very commendable.

[mhsmith0]

Eh, it's all a learning experience regardless of results. It's just that's where the room for improvement is.

[mhsmith0]

I suspect it had to do w knowing Jae. Could be wrong; I wasn't putting much thought into who Jae would track since it wasn't my problem.

[mhsmith0]

No no io, hermie is clearly the doc so you and trans should shoot him instead

[mhsmith0]

I think a big part of why Smith wasn't killed for his claim is that we all knew the person he'd visited

hadn't

died or otherwise suffered any visible harm. And even after knowing that he'd visited me, I kept Townreading him, so that cuts out almost any form of harm that I might not want to speak out about (e.g. being roleblocked).

I think the funniest part of it was how hard I worked to occlude my role while the scum had role copped me N1 making the whole thing a waste of time

[mhsmith0]

Yeah that was awesome