NY 198: Nexus is Now a New Normal Mafia (Game Over)

[TwoFace]

Zulfy actually seems pretty towny

what about his posts have been towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Zulfy actually seems pretty towny

Why do you suppose pine and rb and twoface and that other guy disagree?

You seem stream-of-conciousness
eh

@TF: this and I like some of his posts, like his third.

[Zulfy]

Is the 'eh' your response to my question or your reaction to my apparent stream-of-consciousness writing?

Not really trying to be stream of consciousness by the way but I wasn't about to clicking and clacking trying to find Vert's name.

[Gamma Emerald]

My eh is "I can kinda understand scumreads on him but it's a playstyle issue to me"

[Zulfy]

Who do you mean by 'him'? me or one of the people I mentioned?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who do you mean by 'him'? me or one of the people I mentioned?

you

[TwoFace]

like his third.

his third was a bad post. try again?

[Zulfy]

Zulfy actually seems pretty towny

Why do you suppose pine and rb and twoface and that other guy disagree?

You seem stream-of-conciousness
eh

@TF: this and I like some of his posts, like his third.

alright so you're saying my alleged SoC writing makes you townread me more?

[Gamma Emerald]

Dang, you caught me

Dang you caught us

Actually no, this.

This is one guy mimicking another guy.
There's no need to mimic unless you don't know how you should be acting.
The only reason you wouldn't know how you should be acting is if you're scum.

This is much better.

Plus also I don't wanna look at that avi for 2 months so
VOTE: TwoFace

Pedit: Same hello

@TF: this is his third post.
VOTE: TwoFace

[Gamma Emerald]

Zulfy actually seems pretty towny

Why do you suppose pine and rb and twoface and that other guy disagree?

You seem stream-of-conciousness
eh

@TF: this and I like some of his posts, like his third.

alright so you're saying my alleged SoC writing makes you townread me more?

yeah

[TwoFace]

@TF: this is his third post.

I know what his 3rd post was. it was a terrible post.

[Zulfy]

Okay yea great everything seems in order.

[Zulfy]

TF post your best possible scumhunting startinnnnng now go go go

[TwoFace]

that's not how I work sorry.

[Zulfy]

It would appear you don't work at all.

[TwoFace]

well that's your opinion.

ever hear of the tortoise and the hare? I'm the tortoise.

it's early day 1 and I haven't really seen anything that stands out to me. I see a bunch of things being posted that make me scratch my head but that's about it.

[Transcend]

Alright:

Jarjar is town

All is good in the world

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright:

Jarjar is town

All is good in the world

orlly

[Lil Uzi Vert]

shadow he plays like this as either alignment

also if you thought kts might have been living up to his scum meta, how come you didn't jump on the forming bandwagon on him?

VOTE: Shadow_step

This looks OK
VOTE: Shadow Step

How do you feel about shadow_step 's response?

shadow he plays like this as either alignment

also if you thought kts might have been living up to his scum meta, how come you didn't jump on the forming bandwagon on him?

VOTE: Shadow_step

Which is why I asked Dav why he thought kts was town based on a "recent game", if his town and scum games were so radically different it would be too easy which generally isn't the case.

Not impressed.
I want Shadow to come out and play.

Why specifically Shadow as opposed to Aero, Dave, or Zach? This feels like a copout reason because you can't explain why you followed Transcend's train of thought

Dang, you caught me

Dang you caught us

Actually no, this.

This is one guy mimicking another guy.
There's no need to mimic unless you don't know how you should be acting.
The only reason you wouldn't know how you should be acting is if you're scum.

This is much better.

Plus also I don't wanna look at that avi for 2 months so
VOTE: TwoFace

Pedit: Same hello

@TF: this is his third post.
VOTE: TwoFace

Didn't your first reaction that post indicate that you found it scummy and those found Zulfy scummy? Why do you suddenly like it now?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Zulfy:

I reread. Last night, some of your posts did read off to me, but I thought I was reading too deep and considering how late I was up last night, I just decided to sleep on it and do a reread in the morning. Which I did. And your posts still read off to me.

Your vote for TF for example where you say one doesn't have a reason to mimic others unless they're scum isn't true. Town do as well, especially players who are new to mafia, don't know what to do, or just have a play style that leads them to being very unconfident and unsure a lot of time. Not saying this is the case for TF, but in general I don't find mimicking scummy and the fact that you felt strongly about it to the point where you made it the reason for your first serious vote pinged me a bit despite how try hard it felt.

As well as your interactions with him. You don't believe TF is playing well and your only support for this is that you bold a bunch of things in his ISO that imply he's posting filler when several other players at the time could have been accused of the same. I'd argue you could go through anyone's ISO right now and accuse them of posting only filler. Your case on him is very weak and it doesn't even read like you find him scummy, you just seem like you want to keep pointing it out in hopes someone else latches on.

And then just the way you say things. It's like a character you're trying to put on. It may be that you're just weird like this in general as Jar had pointed out and I might have to just accept that but my gut keeps nagging me about it at the moment.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Am I missing something with Pine? I don't get his SR on KTS and that may be a valid reason for suspicion but I can see where he got his town read on rb and he did say it was a very weak one. rb's case for Zulfy seemed a lot stronger than KT's case for TF.

[Gamma Emerald]

shadow he plays like this as either alignment

also if you thought kts might have been living up to his scum meta, how come you didn't jump on the forming bandwagon on him?

VOTE: Shadow_step

This looks OK
VOTE: Shadow Step

How do you feel about shadow_step 's response?

shadow he plays like this as either alignment

also if you thought kts might have been living up to his scum meta, how come you didn't jump on the forming bandwagon on him?

VOTE: Shadow_step

Which is why I asked Dav why he thought kts was town based on a "recent game", if his town and scum games were so radically different it would be too easy which generally isn't the case.

Not impressed.
I want Shadow to come out and play.

Why specifically Shadow as opposed to Aero, Dave, or Zach? This feels like a copout reason because you can't explain why you followed Transcend's train of thought

It's ongoing.

Dang, you caught me

Dang you caught us

Actually no, this.

This is one guy mimicking another guy.
There's no need to mimic unless you don't know how you should be acting.
The only reason you wouldn't know how you should be acting is if you're scum.

This is much better.

Plus also I don't wanna look at that avi for 2 months so
VOTE: TwoFace

Pedit: Same hello

@TF: this is his third post.
VOTE: TwoFace

Didn't your first reaction that post indicate that you found it scummy and those found Zulfy scummy? Why do you suddenly like it now?

I was reacting to a recently finished game in my post to Zulfy

[Gamma Emerald]

@Zulfy:

And then just the way you say things. It's like a character you're trying to put on. It may be that you're just weird like this in general as Jar had pointed out and I might have to just accept that but my gut keeps nagging me about it at the moment.

Nice proof of concept for my Zulfy read.

[Pine]

Am I missing something with Pine? I don't get his SR on KTS and that may be a valid reason for suspicion but I can see where he got his town read on rb and he did say it was a very weak one. rb's case for Zulfy seemed a lot stronger than KT's case for TF.

Scumread = browbeating, vote bullying, opportunism, moves to silence opposition. Many have drawn a parallel between rb and KTS, but rb has been pushing his reads and giving good reasons, while KTS has been disparaging and attacking those who had alternative opinions. Town don't make broad absolutists statements about large numbers of people early D1. They don't have enough information to do so. They

might

get a clear enough read on one or two people to make a persistent case, as rb seems to be doing, but the swaggering confidence about a bunch of people that KTS is displaying? Nah. That's either scum or newbie Town who doesn't know what they're doing, and KTS's post count is too high to be given the benefit of the doubt needed for the latter

PE: Regarding Zulfy, I don't necessarily agree with rb, I don't see anything blatantly scummy yet. Nothing particularly Townie either. Most players so far are null reads posting fluff. I'm just saying his process seems Town-motivated

[Pine]

RVS is over. There's only two acceptable people to vote for.

You're condescending tone has no effect on my imposing stature. Bow before me, scum, or I'll simply off your scum buddy first. That way you can feel a bit more terrified.

no shut up start playing typical good rb way or you're scum.

srry i have high expectations for you from what i've heard of your 'god-tier' play. prove it.

Funny since I saw no misrep. But thanks for proving you're a crappy player. No respectable player plays the misrep card anymore.

more twoface votes then we can get rb tomorrow.

or rb today. idk. whichever you guys want.

zulfy's game has been as baseless as he accuses yours of being and he's determined to throw as much shade as possible early game + his RVS feels fake as fuck

no zulfy is firmly town. there's no way i'm lynching him until at least late game.

stop that post was bad stop sotp stotp soop stop sotp

rvs wagons mean nothing and no amount of vca can change that.

oh oops i forgot u knew kraska and now i sound like a NOMRAL PERSON instead of QuirKRY !!

srry for confusing ur infallible banter or yes.

@gamma, my logic is correct. he's scum, but i don't mind pling you lmao.

These are the posts by KTS I find scummy, btw. As I've said, scumreads without reason, usage of threats, browbeating opponents, and silencing/discrediting opposition are all scummy actions. There's a good bit of ad hom in his ISO too