Mini 1855: Questionable Content Mafia - Game Over!

[camn]

but....

[camn]

Hm. I agree. About the 7.

And side note: I love that this is in the rules: "in no way should you ever feel "cheated" by the moderator.".
ITS THE RULES.

[camn]

2 have confirmed by PM. That's what I kinda intended by "confirming"

And then went somewhere OTHER than the thread to post, no? Like thier mafia PT?

Who confirmed by PM?

[camn]

What did you do for 10 minutes, kraska??

And dunnstral.. go to the website now. Blow your own mind. The artwork gets WAY better as you get through the first year or so.

[camn]

Also, Dunn... I doubt that flavor will indicate alignment. Everyone in the comic is pretty grey, morality-wise. Except Claire and Hanners, of course.

Actually I guess the robot fighting pit-boss maybe is pure evil.

[camn]

Also also.. I'm not promising any spoiler-free zone here, Dunn. So read fast. That goes for everyone else too.

[camn]

You might be right, MOI.

I amend my previous... There are MANY morally grey characters.
And LLD is Emily, surely.

[camn]

VOTE: JaeReed

[camn]

Frankly the list is pretty clear of VIs as far as I can see.

You only think that because you haven't played with me yet.

Read: I plan to play real scummy cuz I'm scum but I warned you so haha haha

[camn]

/yawn

[camn]

Of course it's a reach! It's page 3 work with me here.

Although whenever the person I vote immediately calls me scum and counter votes....I feel like I'm probably on the right track.

[camn]

Hey Soc. I can't think of a game together... But there were so many games!

[camn]

Why are we worried about endgame mechanics rn?

And I'm with LLD

[camn]

Socrates
I don't totally disagree- they might just be bait... But I certainly am not overwhelmed by Jae's townieness.
Plus I'm trying to #MakeMs.netGreatAgain....starting by powerlynching all VIs.

[camn]

kraska-
I don't think Jae needs to be pressed for more content. He seems pretty prolific rn. That's a weird thing to demand.

Of course...now that you bring it up... I don't see

you

"pressing"

me

for content. You are just asking for more votes and stuff, right?
I don't think that is scummy, really. But you apparently do?

[camn]

Jae- your jokes earned my vote.
Your reactions kept it.

And the fact that you don't know about Charlie Brown and his football? Unforgivable

Townies? Spyrex.

FYI - I'm about to get in a plane, so I'll be away for 5 hours. Since constant amazinness is the expectation, I thought I'd announce :/

[camn]

Where as your feelings on me are total OMGUS?

[camn]

Hey nacho!

And sorry to take your ball away spyrex, but I'm not feeling it on this one for now.

UNVOTE:

[camn]

So, since it's nighttime I guess, and things have slowed down I reread.

I'm sticking with my townread on Spyrex. I add JRead to this, and probably Dunnstral.

Socrates is giving me some scumvibes. I agree that LLDs post restriction is making her hard to read.
There's a lot of null slots, esp pissk and nacho.

And scum?

Kraska

-.
The case? I actually forgot that I was about to blow her up when Jae got shiny and distracted me. She never told us where her 10 minutes went! Instead she piggybacked onto Jae's case on me and built a bunch of nonsense reasons around it. That is a smokescreen right there.
I'm not gonna vote her right now though.
I'm still all worked up at how crappy her push on me was, and I can't decide if it's just OMGUS from my end or not. I gotta sleep on it.

That said:
VOTE: Socrates
Details tomorrow unless you guys post 30 pages while I'm asleep.

[camn]

The 10 minutes is different!
She has time to PM but then what? A hello in thread? Nope. So what?
Even I went straight from role PM to thread.

It's late, I'm tired... But
1) lots of content, not much squirming = bad day1 lynch
2) I don't like explaining townreads. I can but I don't wanna quite yet for reasons.
3) tomorrow. I need a keyboard.

[camn]

Ah.... I get it. Maybe when she confessed, she wasnt answering the exact thing we were asking.
Maybe she meant...in GENERAL, she confirmed by PM...not that she was one of the two.

English is slippery.

[camn]

Omg
UNVOTE:
VOTE: I Am Innocent

IioA to the max.
More after coffee

[camn]

OK.
First-

Socrates

He is very clever at saying nothing. That is my problem with him.
The first ping of my scumdar was this:

@MOD: What should our expectations be re:vote counts?

This was in his 4th post... the prior three of which were literally nothing about the game.
I wonder what he was thinking there... like.. were his thoughts of the previous 96 posts so unimpressive that he started wondering about... votecounts? To me this reads as "tryna look useful". Even DS thinks its weird.
Then, One might ask- when WILL he have actual thoughts about the game? Lets look.
Ah. Post 161.. about the coachin.
Seriously? 161 posts until you could find anything to talk about other than theory?
Its clever. The less you say, the less people can jump on.

Second-

Jae

- I dont really explain townreads. Not on Spyrex, not on you.
Unless I need to to derail a lynch, which I usually don't do either.
Why? It gives the scum real-time feedback on how to win THIS GAME. I don't wanna.

Third-

Moi

:
Yea- its the stuff BETWEEN 70 and 181 that torqued me. All the MOAR VOTES HERE nonsense.
But I am actually over kraska. I think she was confused and falsely confessed. And looking back, the question was vague if taken out of context. May I come back around, cuz skimming is scummy? maybe.

4th:

I AM INNOCENT

I havent seen someone do a cold-catchup like this in a while.. I FORGOT HOW SCUMMY IT WAS.
Though actually, reading it right now.. I wanna give him some time.

Sorry for the votehops.. but thats how I roll sometimes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Socrates

Also- the Thanksgiving holiday will make me shallow. Dont hate the playa, hate the game.

[camn]

About the WORDS IN GENERAL THAT ARE GOOD/BAD?
Its all so academic!

[camn]

I guess, reading back.. you were leading into your single and only thought this game at 137.

[camn]

Also.. its your FACE that is "primitive".

[camn]

Its nothing, Soc! Its cotton candy.
But.. if we get a scumflip on one of them its worth coming back around to, obv.

[camn]

You did.
What crazy madwagon were you missing 4 pages in?

[camn]

I love me a lurkerlynch.

[camn]

What LLD said, Soc.
Not day 1. No fucking way.

[camn]

Plus holidays, meh. We should all relax in re: activity for the week.

[camn]

Also, you think camn could have coached me? Y'know, the person who was tunneling me and i was tunneling them earlier? You can't seriously believe that.

I'm no scum mastermind, but I certainly have played my share of scum theatre. We could totally do that
We didn't. This time. But it is crazy doable.

[camn]

Shit. Page 11 is dead.
But page 12 can happen.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

pisskop is all over the FUCKING DONALD TRUMP thread in GD. Just today. Not 6 hours ago.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PISSKOP

for great justice.

[camn]

9. pisskop

Yet he posts elsewhere.
That's in the Katsuki handbook of standard tells.

[camn]

anyone but you huh

you and I have almost identical readslists rn, dummy.

Only, yes.. I happen to have a really, really strong townread on my own slot.

[camn]

a) I >DO< love me a lurkerlynch. And piss is active elsewhere, absent here.
I will admit, there is a little bit of absence of hate for anyone ELSE in that vote.

b) Some one else said I am "all over the place".. which is untrue.. but I have cycled through a set of suspects and been pretty.. satisfied by their responses. Which leaves me with nothing. Jae's no VI after all. I think I misunderstood kraska. I just wanted more content from Socrates. IAI is still scummy, I guess.. but the holiday is here so I'm down with a pisskop vote! Its not that "all over the place".

And c) I hydrad with Kastuki to learn to be LESS sensitive over things! To fight my natural instincts. I'm not like him. I just try to be But I admit it- I was just being catty. It was silly.

[camn]

Yaaaaay pisskops here.
I like everyone on this playerlist I think. Please don't nightkill me right away.

[camn]

Opportunistic deflection.

Wait...was your Sig that at the beginning of this game?

[camn]

Also..I envision nacho lost to life, in a permanent QC binge. I remember when that happened to me ㅠㅠ

[camn]

Come at me. The more votes I get, the longer I live.

But im town, and will be conf by tomorrow or the next day for sure. Then I'll get nightkilled so w/e.

[camn]

Come at me. The more votes I get, the longer I live.

But im town, and will be conf by tomorrow or the next day for sure. Then I'll get nightkilled so w/e.

[camn]

wat u said about me confessing is too ridiculous srry.

I'm over it. But if you reread it, you would notice that we were talking about 2 players who confirmed by PM...then did NOT come post.
My supposition? They went to talk in the scum PM.
That's what I read you confessing to... But now I think you just didn't catch the context of the question.
The thought that it is 'ridiculous' is insulting. It is not ridiculous, and the only reason you are off the hook is because I am assuming you either didn't read, or didn't understand the subtlties of our discourse.

tl:dr-- your face is ridiculous.

[camn]

I was over it Jae, and it totally was monologic.. I didn't expect ANYONE to answer... But kraska- did which was weird. But it's cuz she didn't understand what we were talking about at the time.

That was then. NOW she is bringing it up like I am scum for it ..
Tell me - what is the scum motivation in my actions there? THIS argument is the moonlogic.
Her bringing it up now as some kind of point is straight-up crapcasing, and scummy in itself. Do you agree Jae? Or can you explain to me how it was scummy?

And kraska- stop being so catty. It sucks and makes you not fun.

[camn]

I can get back with that.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Socrates

[camn]

Blood for the blood God!
I'll be on more tomorrow everyone!

[camn]

Rite

[camn]

Yaaaaaay!

[camn]

Camn help me be the you the me that believes in you can be

Ok, I reread.
Here are my unedited notes. PLease dont ask me for TOO MUCH clarification on them.. they are just my transient thoughts. I live in the now.

Spoiler:

MagnaofIllusion

- brings up the 7/9. Would scum do this?

JaeReed

- I like his reactions as town on p3-5.. although his 165 shows pretty shitty reads, in hindsight. :/
Also- his thoughts in 190. I might need to come back to the 10 minutes. He is making sense by page 13 though.

SpyreX

- 52- legit townslip.

Nachomamma8

- needs way more content.

Lady Lambdadelta

- Post restriction Mod-confirmed, IMO.. post 20. Note to self, people doubting later, why? Also- her look at Spyrex on page 2. I like it.

kraska77

- claims miller post 1. After MOI and I talk about 7/9. Back to the 10 minutes. Its sticking with me.
123 scumposting
NOTES ON MILLER CLAIM-
did a speed research on kraskas games.
She replaced in here: to a Vedith post1 miller claim that looks like she basically got conf-towned, and then NK's night 3.
She was scum here: where beeboy claimed miller post 1..he also got confed, lived to endgame and her mafia team got spanked.
Thenhere: kraska replaced out as town.. TheBRawlGuy apparently FAKEclaims miller.. and is lynched day 3
Conclusion: certainly clear that she knows to trueclaim miller post1.
No history of seeing anyone claim miller as scum, that I found.
Saw someone fake it as town.. so maybe that plants the seed for a fakclaim as scum? Except that guy got lynched. Inconclusive.

I Am Innocent

- Gets a total reset for Aristo, imo

pisskop

- also needs way more. I am not buying this piskop lurker-entry = town shiz

Dunnstral

- 54 pouring over the rules looking for multiple killing roles seems scumsided. Like, scum care more about 3rd parties than town. Again thinking about it in 78.

Socrates

- I still think scum. Clever scum. Hard to pin down.. but.. reserved. There is no reason for him to hide his thoughts. Could just be not warmed up though.

Lil Uzi Vert

- Breadcrumb, huh? I could see scum here, on play, but crumbs are harder as scum. note-to-self.. read his old games and look for crumbs. By him or, esp, successful scum fakecrumbs.

And in conclusion, in no order:

TOWNY:

MagnaofIllusion
JaeReed
SpyreX
Lady Lambdadelta

NEED STUFF:

pisskop
Nachomamma8
Aristophanes

SCUMMY:

Socrates
kraska77
Dunnstral
Lil Uzi Vert

Gods that's a shit readslist.
We need a solid 5 pages just from those middle 3 though. Nacho and Aristo are pretty Verbose, I would expect a shiton of stuff from them this week.
Spy Im tired now. Ill try more later.

[camn]

VOTE: Camn

Camn's reason for scum reading me is actually really weak

Which is it, Dunn?
Am I scum making it all up.. or am I town, with just a real weak argument?
You can't have both.
Decide.

Also- May I just point out- I immediately got votes from people who I said were scummy. Immediately.
No analysis. No discussion. No questions.
I didn't even put any reasoning for those reads.
It is SO hard to take that kind of play seriously. Apparently the scummiest thing is to say someone is scummy. Its the theme of this game. I don't even need to vote them.. just MENTION that I think they are scummy.

And aristo- stop with the shitty spelling errors! You are screwing with me here.

[camn]

Also Dunn- what IS my aregument?
I can't think I even told you.

[camn]

The only large arguement id make is kraska but that's like 80% claim right now.

Otherwise yes i concur

Im feeling that claim too. It seems risky for scum. That's why I dug into her games- to see if she had talked about it in a PT or seen a fakeclaim done as scum.. but I don't . My only thought is she saw a TOWNIE fake it.. so maybe if she got counterclaimed or something she would refer to that game as it being a pro-town fakeclaim or something? But I think THAT is even pretty balls. However, I think she is scummy independently.

@ Dunn- are you saying you think I am SCUM, and my "reasons for scumreading" you are weak?
Also- get over it! You are scummy, if anyone wants my opinion. Don't be so offended about it.
What, are you mad cuz you thought you had me wrapped around your finger earlier, and now on reread you are in my scumcolumn? O GAWD THE BETRAYAL!

[camn]

In post 418, camn wrote:
Dunnstral- 54 pouring over the rules looking for multiple killing roles seems scumsided. Like, scum care more about 3rd parties than town. Again thinking about it in 78.


Narrows down on something that happened a long time ago. Weak reason

Also- FTR.. early tells are the best tells. I have found whole scumteams based on their partner's first post.
Not saying this is a big tell or something.. it just gave me a twitch.

[camn]

@Lil Uzi Vert:
Have you ever breadcrumbed before this game?

[camn]

Well, trust me. I'm not your mislynch today.
Do whatever you want... Ima find out who your partners are in the meantime.

[camn]

Huh i expected camn to leap at you like a wild frogboar i dont know what to make of this

I was tired, Spy. I don't wanna argue with scum.That whole nexus is making me tired af.. and I don't know why. I have some weird emotional reaction to kraska especially.. and its confusing me. I am sure the Anger will come.. but the game is still new. It needs more meat.

Camn, could you explain your TR on Spy? Don't really remember much from him other than filler and his weak push on PK. As for bread crumbing, I cannot give you any games to reference since they're ongoing.

Good answer. I saw that game.
To everyone else- I couldn't find any completed games of Uzis with any crumbs, or even any reference to breadcrumbing.. This is a new thing for him, and that itself interests me, being the historic Queen of all Crumbs.

And YAAAAYYNACHO.
Dear all the camn-haters. I am going to totally and ruthlessly sheep nacho right now. Probably for the next 2 game days.
He says Socrates is town?
UNVOTE:
He wants heat on the Aristophanes slot?
VOTE: Aristophanes
Haters go ahead, tell me how much of a sheep I am.
And if you think sheeping people is inherently scummy.. you gotta play more games.

[camn]

If "pestering" goes to your win-con,

kraska

, keep doing it.
But please enlighten us- whats so scummy about 513?
As far as I can see.. you just state that every single thing I post is obvscum. Never any real reasoning.
I think its just that you are actually scum. Your team is up against some heavy hitters, and you have to waste your nightkills on them, so you have made up your mind that I might be a realistic mislynch.

But I just loked at your ISO before 454.. since you told me it would reveal the 'gospel truth'.. and seriously..

it doesn't.

Your posts are generally one-liners.. with NO evidence of any thought process at all.

Everyone

: Here is a sampling of kraska's "reasoning" for her reads..

Spoiler: kraska quotes..the GOSPEL TRUTH

she's not interested in pressing them for content

You called them scum and left the more constructive poking for others to do

I like spyrex because of the moo read
A read that subtle feels like a product of a towny mindset

The more they talked the more transparent their process felt

And camn might be a baddie don't make promises with her

I forgot uzi's in the game...
He's also in the maybe scum pile

ur iai to socrates vote hop is weird

it still looked ridiculous

i would have expected that shtick to end earlier if he were scum

Iai posts were bad

And thats really it.
Now- don't get me wrong.. I am ALL ABOUT gut reads.. especially day one.
But none of those reasons are anything other than paper-thin superficial nonsense. Easily from scum, going for the 'activity is town' angle.
THAT SAID- I do think your death-tunnel on me is a little too bold for scum. And the miller claim is compelling. AND your posting SINCE 454 is a little better. Infact, 455 is a pretty townposting. So I don't intend to see you hang today. But if you are town, you need to re-read and start being more coherent.. or Spyrex is gonna get his wish and see me freak out.

Side note- why is Socrates town for his inconsistency.. but I am scum for being "all over the place"?

[camn]

Oh. well, you dont have to be sad. Im town!

[camn]

Ha ha, suckers. I sleep as much as I want.

[camn]

I love flavor massclaim!

Im May.
Im getting a new face right now.

[camn]

what's the point?

Its fun?
Plus. . early flavor claims lock the scum into a single route of fakeclaiming.
I have certainly lost games as scum screwing up my fakes.

Agree with Moi. But wanna see it play out.

[camn]

Does anyone else see that spider ...

Hey Moi what was this about?

MORE NACHO, MORE.

[camn]

If a flavor claim is enough to make you unvote someone then there was no case to begin with.

Fact

[camn]

LadyLambaDelta... Are you seeing what I am seeing?

[camn]

Read the thread. She's Sven.

[camn]

Nacho came out and placed an initial vote on Ari. Perchance he intended to move that vote...'on catchup'
The wagon expanded. Perhaps to Nacho's chagrin?

[camn]

Are you still avoiding answer those questions I asked in 460 for a reason?

I must have forgot about it.
a) just trying to piece together the timeline of his attack on Jae. Counter question- what relevance do YOU think my opinion on the relevance could have???!! I kid. I don't care
b) later.
c) Its not crap. Its the most basic level of cognitive dissonance and I believe in it. Now- there is an answer to it.. but Dunn failed to provide it. And I am not going to now.

Also, what made you ask this 500+ posts later?

When you first posted it I thought FOR SURE that was a Hanner's crumb in re: the coffe roaster spiders! I forgot about the library spiders I actually had you down as Hanners on my spreadsheet. Now its LLD.

my dancing partners of late have been more frustrating than competent and it'd be a nice change of pace to deal with someone with a sense of rhythm.

Not yet, my sweet. I like to watch. Plus I like my vote where it is.

L-1!

Hammer! Hammer!
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

[camn]

Awwww. Another transparent Gambit Ruined.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 9&sr=posts

This is Aristos post history.
He had time for GTKAS this morning.

[camn]

Huh:

I'm not familiar with any of the flavor but I feel like it could be indicative of alignment in some way.

Why should we follow your theory, Dunn?

Dunn:

Your tone doesn't make me feel more at ease but I'll consider it.

TELL US YOUR ROLE!

[camn]

Moi- maybe its your outfits. Mine are cuter.
Also- who is pisskop? I dont know what "Chibi" is.

and

@MOD:

Can you Prod Aristo?

Its been 2 days as of 15 minutes ago.

(he posted elsewhere 9 times since. Not a shit-ton of posting.. but some.)

[camn]

If pisskop is Momo.. then we just need Uzi and Ari.

[camn]

John Ellicott-Chatham ????

[camn]

........is...... MagnaofIllusion is Marten
........is...... JaeReed is Dora
........is...... camn is May
........is...... SpyreX is Bubbles
........is...... Nachomamma8 is Veronica
........is...... Lady Lambdadelta is Hanners
........is...... kraska77* is Sven
........is...... Aristophanes is ???
........is...... pisskop is Momo?
........is...... Dunnstral* is Faye
........is...... Socrates* is Marigold
........is...... Lil Uzi Vert is John

[camn]

Okay..

DUNNSTRAL

.

Spill. What was your masterplan here?

[camn]

........is...... MagnaofIllusion is Marten
........is...... JaeReed is Dora
........is...... camn is May
........is...... SpyreX is Bubbles
........is...... Nachomamma8 is Veronica
........is...... Lady Lambdadelta is Hanners
........is...... kraska77* is Sven
........is...... Aristophanes is Beatrice
........is...... pisskop is Momo?
........is...... Dunnstral* is Faye
........is...... Socrates* is Marigold
........is...... Lil Uzi Vert is John

[camn]

And Aristo- you should probably just FULL claim.. cuz we are lynching you cuz you are scum.
Also.. tell me who your partners are!

[camn]

As for Ari I'm willing to hammer

You are at L-1.
Dunnstral is ready to hammer.
You care already caught on your classic scumtell.

[camn]

I see you posting over in New York!

I know a good fakeclaim takes a lifetime... but lets have it.

[camn]

ha ha, scum.
Better luck next time.

[camn]

I like more squirming too.

[camn]

DUNN WHAT WAS YOUR MASTERPLAN???

[camn]

fine. btw

*

.
PS- I need an upgrade.

(* btw = be that way. Its the NEW btw.)

[camn]

Based on the wiki I wanna say Spy or PK.

h8trs gna h8

[camn]

I need a new face

[camn]

It read as though he's townreading MoI but leaving him to do his own thing, and potentially scumreading Socrates but had him as rusty town earlier. I don't see where you get this belief that Magna had reason to kill him off that.

Jae- I agree with your reasoning.
I am totally down with an UZI lynch today.
BUT- I wouldn't discount the idea that one of us players who has played with nacho a ton killed him off. I know I fit into that category.. but its true. We all know he is a difficult mislynch, and kind of terrifying when he is on point. So I wouldn't rule out a pre-emptive strike here. Or grudgekill, LLD?

That said, we are ahead, and we can totally cull based on obv-tells.
VOTE: Lil UZI
That's 4 votes, I think.

[camn]

You still post restricted?

[camn]

UNVOTE:

I'm willing to let Uzi Float another day for the inventions.
The night immunity though..... hm.

UZI - do you feel comfortable telling us what the inventions are? Not who you gave them to, but what they are?
Its not like the scum can kill you for it, right?

p-edit- Im not, LLD. You are just mad because I see why you would kill nacho.

[camn]

I was thinking more grudgekill.

[camn]

I was thinking more grudgekill.

[camn]

I don't disagree.

[camn]

Why the hell would you not give that out

??
For reals.

Although.. those sound like confirm-able stuff... which puts me in a not-lynching-Uzi today mood.

@LLD- You crazy. I love nacho. I would kill so many others first. He was townreading me even.
And, for the record, I was barely in Summer mafia!
You must remember LLD- I was V/LA that whole game while Katsuki was scumming it up.. then he bailed and threw me under the bus with no fake-claim as soon as I got back!
Of course, LLD, you then played a brilliant scumgame and won for us anyway.

Hm. That meta reason is scummy af.

[camn]

No way. This is a silly argument.. but I would totally kill Moi before nacho.

And are you then saying that my play here is like my talk with you in the Mafia QT there?

[camn]

Your face is forced and wrong.

[camn]

I KID!

I am sure your face is nice.
That was too much.

[camn]

Yeah LLD is either trippin or shenanigans.

[camn]

@HEY UZI

Why the hell would you not give that out

What worries me is that you didn't give one out night 1

why did you choose not to act night 1?

@

kraska

- my thought on this is:
these two guys, inventor and upgrader.. they dont know who anyone is if they are town, right? So they maybe give powers to scum. This maybe makes them less town-power heavy. Of course, if they were scum... that would POTENTIALLY be all scum power.. and also pretty twisted.
IF THIS IS TRUE...
conclusion 1: if dunnstral is town, which I think he is, at least 1 robot is scum. Only its not me. So Spyrex or Pisskop.
conclusion 2: Uzi is probably town, cuz if scum he DEFINITELY gives out some power to his buddy. Unless he is lying about it, and actually did. Probably its not a fakeclaim cuz we can force him to prove it, right?

postedit-

Jreed

.. you think he is fabricating his claim? Or is he a scum-inventor.. and decided not to give any of his buddies toys last night?

[camn]

why not robot hamster then?

[camn]

Pisskop or spyrex?

pisskop

[camn]

/camn returns from the wiki..
False inventor, huh?
Should we make him prove it? Like.. lean on him to give the Nano Machine to you? Then you report if you got the message? Would there even be a message? hm.

@Uzi- I kind of think we

have

to lynch you, right? At some point? Cuz nightkill immune is outrageous... but Vig Proof Scum Inventor isn't really?

@Jae: ...?

[camn]

Big gamble but it's worth a shot, especially if we lynch scum today

Orly? Like who?

[camn]

You'd be wrong tho.

[camn]

Except you are right, JR- Magna is fakehunting.
But Ill play ball...

In post 777, camn wrote:
BUT- I wouldn't discount the idea that one of us players who has played with nacho a ton killed him off. I know I fit into that category.. but its true. We all know he is a difficult mislynch, and kind of terrifying when he is on point. So I wouldn't rule out a pre-emptive strike here. Or grudgekill, LLD?

So is there anyone in the game you think would not qualify with knowing Nacho is a tough mislynch? And would have not learned that in the scum PT?

I havn't meta'd everyone in the game enough to know that.
But the second part is exactly my point.

In post 816, camn wrote:
conclusion 2: Uzi is probably town, cuz if scum he DEFINITELY gives out some power to his buddy. Unless he is lying about it, and actually did.

Probably its not a fakeclaim cuz we can force him to prove it, right?

So why don’t you even consider he is lying about the inventor claim given the very dubious breadcrumb and lack of Night 1 action?

I considered it. In fact.. your quote right there shows me doing so. Let me bold that part for you-.. there. So, your point with all these questions? To look busy?

[camn]

actually

VOTE: MAGNA OF ILLUSION

You killed Nacho and Ill never forgive you.

[camn]

Who else?

Plus the fakehunting. It's laughable when a newbie does it...and tiresome otherwise. Like...look at that last quote 2 posts back.
He quotes me speculating that it was a fakeclaim... Then wonders why I didn't think it might be a fakeclaim.

If you are MOI and you are just making shit up, it's cuz you are scum.

[camn]

I support full claim on penalty of death.

[camn]

VOTE: Spyrex
I'm sorry you are scum instead of pisskop...

[camn]

And if camn somehow isn't scum LLD would be my first choice. She ostensibly Neighborized me to "sort" me as her biggest question mark but really did nothing to prod conversation between us.

Add a twist- I had a modified 1-shot neighborizer ability.
That's a lot of neighborizing.
I happen to be town.

[camn]

Jesus.. I just ISO's LLD and Spyrex and Ari together...
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
There is nothing there. Nothing.
I am Innocent had more content than all of them combined.

scumteam =

SpyreX
Lady Lambdadelta...

Aristophanes

On spyrex... Robot POE > Townslip early on...in fact

Spoiler: Probably what actually happened in post 50

All role PMs are sent and all players with PT access now have access to those PTs. If you have any problems, please PM me, and don't bring it up in-thread to keep confidentiality.

Hey DiamondSentinel I am PM'ing you cuz I don't have access to our PT. Can you add me? Thanks!!

-Spyrex

[camn]

LLD- you would renege in LYLO anyway.
And I am way more into this right now!
I finally caught Spyrex as scum!

So- everyone, check this out.
In post 50.. spyrex misquoted. Here is the unadulterated quote:

All role PMs are sent and all players with PT access now have access to those PTs. If you have any problems, please PM me, and don't bring it up in-thread to keep confidentiality.

I'm phone posting I'd have given up on life

Understand- he had posted NOTHING of value yet in the game. He had bantered about LLD's post restriction... did some setup spec. Thats it. It was his post #6.
But it gets A LOT of attention from him.
Observe:

Uhhhh what

So ftr i asked in a pm if that means scum have daytalk or if they just have access to the topic
Cause if it's the former i feel good about moi
Of its the latter well

^ why?

Cause of scum have no way to talk and no safeclaims that's a pretty good way to signal

But if they do then it's fairly light hearted genuine discussion

I don't but that is usually easy to ferret

By don't i mean I'll assume they do but an easy avenue to check

Mod replied scum daytalk is a default moi probably town carry on

And which ones of you cheeky little bastards asked the mod like i was making it up

All of that to "Prove" that the quote to the mod was about Daytalk. Something which

no one was even questioning

.

HE DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH!

Especially that last one.
I had forgotten about it.. but he hadn't he remembers his slips.

LLD- I know you don't wanna buss.. but you should. Mad towncred avaliable here.

[camn]

theres a scum flip that shows the actual structure

What does this mean?

And what about your total nonexistence?
ISO yourself. You'll see how you are actually scum.
You and LLD both are coasting along without taking any stances at all. Classic scumplay.
But you are caught now.

[camn]

But when you clicked it in those early game-pages.. it said "YOU DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO VIEW THIS TOPIC.... and you had a sad.
I know you are so uncomfortable right now.. cuz I'm in your head.

You really want me to believe you had no real time to post anything other than one-liners from your phone.. but you were busy getting to the bottom of the DayTalk Mystery via PM in the backchannels?
Puh-Lease.

[camn]

I dont crumb much anymore.
But I had a really weird thing...its not traditional.
I could choose someone on a night.. and then the next Day and Night I would be neighbors with them.
I would be untargetable DURING that time... but the person- they would have the option of tree-stumping me for the rest of the game.
I tried to use it twice.. and it failed twice.
The flavor was “Virtual Companion”- if you wanna get real. Its when I was in Dale's Glasses before I got a real body?

Anyway..I was basically a modified Neighborizing Hider who gets treestumped instead of dying if I choose scum.
I only bring it up, because DS says I can't try to use it again... so its gone.. but still relevant, given another Neighborizer.

I am thinking there are a lot of weird roles in this game.

p-edit. Haha Spyrex OMGUS'd me.

[camn]

haha! I found it.

Spoiler: 2491

And dont LOGIC me, sir!
If you arent scum.. than all three robots are town, right?

[camn]

Oh, I do.

That's separate from the Maid outfit.

[camn]

There's even more to your role?

No.. that's all of it.

The robot-upgrade thing is entirely separate.

[camn]

It's pretty fucked up. The setup.
But flavoriffic! I just read my whole 'Virtual Companion' arc. It's dope.

[camn]

You need more votes if you want a full claim from me.
My claim is an unrovoked counterclaim. If you think I made it up... that is interesting.

[camn]

Also, this mod is intentionally noncommittal.
His failure to deny a 3rd party doesn't prove..or even suggest..their existence.

[camn]

I would think that too... But everything seems wrong.
We are failing with our setup speculation.

[camn]

I totally think there is...it's why I'm voting Spyrex .
But my confidence is low right now.

[camn]

I totally think there is...it's why I'm voting Spyrex .
But my confidence is low right now.

If the main reason was scum robot why why would you have padded it with that awful post

A) it's not awful, your face is.
That "slip" was the basis of my townread on you.
I had to reread it...and when I did, trying to puzzle out how scum posts that...everything became clear.

[camn]

What?

[camn]

And this is how this game ends.
...not with a bang, but a whimper.

[camn]

I believe the result. And the sanity rules are strict now, right?
I am town too.
Which leaves Spyrex.
Or a fakeclaimed 4th robot.
Or all robots town.

[camn]

Fine. Show me the mafia then.
Cuz I am at a confidence nadir ...<redacted ongoing games>.. and I wanna kill me some scum.

[camn]

There is something weird about this game, no?

[camn]

please.. Be the you I believe you can be!

[camn]

He's my #3

[camn]

Once I get my mojo back I'll ruin him.

[camn]

Me too... And 3rd behind those 2! There's not 4 scum in a mini.

[camn]

Dunn's town, I think.

[camn]

@soc- I think role madness in this game. Shit's too wild.
My flavor fits like a glove, though. DS did his research. I would be surprised at any flavor mismatches....though I also anticipate full flavor fake claims. Not that people always use them.
I really like Dunn's move getting everyone locked in early. Their actions should all match up.

[camn]

Huh.
For some dumb reason I was thinking 'Godfather' got put on the bastard list while I was gone, but I just checked and it's not.
I will rethink, Moi.
But you are right about my 'backdoor'.... Cuz I don't WANT spyrex to be scum. I know he has to be eventually... But I want him always to be town.

[camn]

Hm. That does make sense.
Hm.
Scum gunsmith?
To find cops and vigs and such?

Maybe.
IM OPENING MY BACKDOOR, MAGNA!

UNVOTE:

[camn]

Who's scum then?

[camn]

What's your upgrade flavor?
I'm just curious?

[camn]

Am I correct in assuming robots know what their upgrades are from the start?

Yes. In my case, at least.

[camn]

It was comically absurd, tbh... But so is mine. Blame the mod.

fite me irl m8

[camn]

camn you wouldnt have done that 180 on spyrex if it werent for the upgrade rabble right?

Maybe. I really want him to be town. And what he is saying makes sense.
But I'm not 180'd yet. Like...60'd

[camn]

I addressed that,kraska!

And just staying in character, Magna.

[camn]

1. IAI and Camn interactions.

a rational back-track for a partner when she got no immediate reaction to her “GO GO GO” lynch previous post.

I got no reaction in between back to back posts?
Why wouldn't I wait for people to.. react.. if I was looking for a quickwagon? Doesn't fly. If I wanted to bus- I would give people some time. This was a real live reconsideration on my part.

Then in 299 we get “IAI is still scummy but I prefer a pisskop vote” which is textbook Suspect Partner, vote Town.

Except Pisskop might be scum. So if he flips scum.. is this classic: caught one scum, voted other scum? We will see.

2. Camn and Aristo interactions.

Aristo lurking is his scum meta and Camn’s love for lurker lynches

Aristo was a replacement.. not a lurker. And I know bussing/wifom/whatever.. but I feel like I was reasonably active getting him dead. Also- I was smart enough to "get on board the bus early” with IAI.. but not smart enough to do it with Aristo? I don't think so.

3. Lack of logical trajectory on her reads and actions towards me.

Consistency is for scum. Also, this is big words for OMGUS.

4. Reminder about the following quote –

The night actions didn't go as I forsaw.

5. Nacho buddying

When I am scum, I usually don't kill the poeple who are buddying ME.. and defending me all over the place. Bring the WIFOM.. but thats crazy.
Also....

Spoiler: MAYBE YOU FORGOT I WAS KIND OF FEELING NACHO-SCUM?

Nacho came out and placed an initial vote on Ari. Perchance he intended to move that vote...'on catchup'
The wagon expanded. Perhaps to Nacho's chagrin?

my dancing partners of late have been more frustrating than competent and it'd be a nice change of pace to deal with someone with a sense of rhythm.

Not yet, my sweet. I like to watch. Plus I like my vote where it is.

L-1!

Hammer! Hammer!
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

That last one is me LITERALLY throwing suspicion on nacho while calling for a hammer on scum. Doesn't fit your narrative, though.. so I see why you left it out.

6. Strange posting regarding flavor –

Here Magna claims that I am scum.. and I know that my partner is Beatrice, as he says- "one of the most Assholish of the people on this list"... AND there are no fake-claims........

and then I claimed that flavor likely wouldn't indicate alignment.

By his own logic, saying that flavor won't indicate alignment in this scenario is the one thing scum WOULDN'T say. Its actually a towntell
also

...why she has refused to claim...

I claim when I want. When I am not pressured, and it would be suboptimal townplay-

I don't claim

. Do you?

[camn]

Im against either of those right now.

[camn]

But Spy I don't wanna answer.
It's like asking - hey are you a power role?

[camn]

And see i didnt even get that

Well, there it is.
But I'll answer I guess... It might help Magna get his head around things too.
I did get upgraded. Night 1. Which came with a roleblock.... Which I guess is why I got to use my Neghborizer again the next night.

[camn]

Personally at this point I don't think the thread being more or less a back and forth solely between Camn and I is helpful. I've made my case. Others need to weigh in.

Agreed.

[camn]

Dear everyone who is voting for me... lets fast forward- I will not be lynched today.
I >might< be nightkilled tonight.. but probably not.
Tomorrow you might lynch me.
But not today.

That is all.

VOTE: Pisskop

[camn]

Oh Im an innocent child.

bye camn

Prove it.

[camn]

OK, soc.
My upgrade is a Vig Shot.

Night one I tried to Neighborize Dunnstral.. but he himself blocked me. Mod said I could try again.
Night two I tried to Neighborize JaeReed.. but he was killed.
Mod said the action "failed" and I couldn't use it again. but I read it as it succeeded but my target died.. which explained why my shot was now used up.

I intended to discuss with Jae who to vig.. but now I can't.

You think scum get upgraded to an extra kill?
THAT is a bridge too far.

[camn]

I just wanted to highlight Ms. "I claim when I want how I want" posted this.

My defense isn't LOL INNOCENT CHILD!!

[camn]

And I want the proof before I shoot him in the face.

[camn]

that sounded wrong I want the proof so I >DONT< shoot him in the face :/

[camn]

I wanna shot me some scum.. so why don't you convince me you are town?

[camn]

But you read my claim.. so can I assume, pisskop.. that you think I am scum that got upgraded to a second kill.. and chose not to use it night 2 so I could chat up a townie about who to kill?

[camn]

Cuz you have a vote on my, and Im at L-1.

[camn]

when were you upgraded. why havent you shot anyone yet, and will you promise to produce a kill tonight if for some reason you are alive?

Jesus keep up.

I got upgraded (and blocked, thanks Dunn) Night one. I held my shot night 2 cuz I was gonna have a day of daytalk with JaeReed to sort out who's what.
I was inclined to shoot YOU Night 2- but Jreed was so adamant against your lynch I wanted his thoughts privately.
And yeah- now I plan to shoot for sure. I'll probably get blocked again, but if DS is consistent... then I will still get to use my shot even if I am roleblocked??

To be honest, IF all of the claims for NK protection are true, then yeah I actually COULD see an extra NK being the scum-upgrade.

Seriously?
Well.. why didn't I use it last night then?
If I were scum I could have killed the cop AND his innocent.
Or just mis-vigged and LOL cuz thats the meta.

p-edit @ Spyrex: The fact is I was blocked Night one, and

was

able to try again night 2. But then denied a third chance. But DS was --very-- noncommunicative about the whys. I anticipate his answer here

[camn]

Says the guy who hasn't read the game.

Also, Dear Everyone- LLD lolhammer is coming soon. Remember to lynch her for it.

[camn]

Killing you cuz Im telling the truth and my entire story checks out?

Plus gunsmith + vig....

[camn]

I figured why.
I just didn't want to YELL OUT LOUD that I had been upgraded and blocked by Dunn.

I wonder how Magna feels about this. since one of his main points was "OMG 1-SHOT or 2-SHOTS?????"

[camn]

You think that pisskop would have to be a godfather to be scum?

I think its totally clear that Jae got an innocent on him. So if scum, then godfather.

And why not? Spyrex convinced me himself....
--If he is a gunsmith.. this is nerfed by the presence of a) a cop. b) a vig. c) a POISONER.. who should show up as 'no gun'
--Jae was a cop.. which is nerfed be a) a miller. b) a godfather?? WHY NOT? c) other?
--I am a vig. Which is nerfed by a) Uzi's Robot Hamster b) c) Pisskop with a BP Vest?

It makes sense for an COP investigation-immune scum, since we already saw a GUNSMITH-investigation immune scum.

[camn]

huh- b) 2 seperate roleblock shots.

[camn]

Same

[camn]

What are your reads?

Pisskop OR magna and LLD are the scumz.

[camn]

Plus maybe 20℅ Spyrex still

[camn]

Independent of you having not read the game?

[camn]

Frankly the narrative she’s trying to foster makes no sense.

It's all true... So if it doesn't make sense it's cuz you arent seeing it correctly.

1.- I told you, Jae was defending the guy I wanted to shoot... So I thought I'd talk it over with him.
2. Really? Don't care. Also can't think of a time off the top of my head.
3. See #1.

[camn]

Who would you shoot, Spy?

[camn]

Then who?!

[camn]

I mean... If we can't lynch pisskop...let's lynch Magna.

His case on me is essentially, "Nah."
He thinks I'm lying about being a Vig...except I'm a FREAKING YF-29 VECTORED-THRUST STRIKE DRONE...., and odds are I will just prove it tonight.
He is actually pushing to lynch me just assuming there will only be one kill..instead of waiting till tomorrow and knowing for sure. Why? Cuz I'm gonna shoot him or one of his scum mates in the face, which crimps his style.

So fuck it.
Plus he talks too much.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MAGNA OF ILLUSION

[camn]

Jesus so many posts.

You know what's funny?
Spyrex is all...your Vig flavor doesn't make sense.....but didn't bother to read my character's arc.
Well.. I found it for you.
Here it is:

Spoiler: 2502

What now, Spy?

[camn]

I totally did....because my dream is to be a FREAKING FIGHTER JET!
Dunnstral fulfilled my dream.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Spyrex

The enemy of my enemy is my friend I guess.
Plus - his argument was that it didn't make sense flavor wise.....but it does!
His response...back on the wagon?

[camn]

Kraska-, Dunnstral.... If you believe a robot is scum...and you believe that all the robots claimed...and you believe that Pisskop is really innocent....and you believe that scum don't get to be Vigs....then Spyrex is scum.

It's a long chain..but a solid one.

[camn]

Cuz pisskop godfather, Spy?
But maybe scum gunsmith is more realistic, given cop and Vig.

And if you read my arc..then how was me being a fighter jet even unusual?
Then, back to mafia...yor flavor argument aside. How am I a scum Vig? Soc agreed that scum vigs are not a thing.
Magna says I lie. That I am not a scum Vig. I feel like I can prove it.
How do you not want a conf-town to eat the nightkill for you...if you are town?

P-edit - I'm on board with Moi, too. Get us some votes and I will hammer him no problemo.

[camn]

That is a single panel without other reference anywhere camn I'm not sure what you're driving at.

YOU were the one that was all 'flavor doesn't work's.
That is demonstrably false. The flavor DOES work.
In face, Diamondsentinel is amazing.

So now your case is that I am a scum Vig?

[camn]

...actually
What is the flavor for the vig upgrade

Cause vector foxtrot drone doesnt make a lick

....every single thing weve seen fits flavor. Extremely well.

Which is why theres a huge wth on camns claim

Scum vigs are rare, but its could be a thing.

[camn]

GET YOUR ACCUSATIONS STRAIGHT, MAN!

[camn]

What has Magna done that's so town?
He pretty much has just tunnelled me all game.

Sure...he piled on the leading wagons both days....but other than his tunnel on me (spoiler alert: I'm town) he hasnt really done anything.

And with giant walls, at that

[camn]

And it was the STEALING that was wrong....not the Dream!

[camn]

Exactly. Its a free hammer.

[camn]

He does it with me too. He doesn't care about my answers....He just says 'nah.'
Only I am actually telling the truth.

[camn]

Hm. You might be right.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MAGNA OF ILLUSION

Back to biz.

[camn]

The scum want me dead cuz I might shoot them.
MOI is likely scum...So reasonable Townies want him dead.
Pisskop hasn't read shit.
Spyrex is really waffling about me. He should trust his heart.

That's it.

[camn]

Yep. Spyrex is reading at least.

[camn]

and honestly.. if you lynch me.. this game is going to creep to a lurking halt.
Let the scum take care of me. Don't do their dirty for them.

[camn]

You don't have any salient points.
Your argument is that I am lying...But I'm not. It's not worth the back and forth...Cuz either my flip or me shooting someone will prove the truth of it.

And I addressed Spyrex's flavor argument...Because it was addressable. But I guess that wasn't one of the 'salient' points, eh?

[camn]

And wait...I even numbered my responses to you!
How is that 'tryng to ignore'?

[camn]

Which I do, trust me.
I ignore the fudge out of scummy crapcases. But this game is slow.

[camn]

Scum vigs are rare, but its could be a thing

Wait...THIS is why my claim is fake?

I actually liked Spyrex's setup spec. I wish Magna was being more lucid and gamesolvey and..... actually town so that he could weigh in on it.
Gunsmith with cop and vig vs. posioner.
Cop with Miller and ??? vs. godfather? Weren't you into a godfather, Magna?

Which would, if this game is elegant, presume the presence of a third investigative role, and a third scum that defeats it. Ninja and Tracker, I assume?

[camn]

What's 'pulling a Beetleguese'?

[camn]

Camn’s Vig claim is Fake McFakeClaim Pants.

Just a reminder for when and if I flip....This is scum throwing rhetoric.

And kraska-...He isn't into solving the game.
He wants to lynch a provable role.
He is not interested in anything that runs counter to his narrative..... He just says 'Nah.'.
It's like talking Climate Change with an Oil Man.

[camn]

Jesus pisskop.

Can you at least tell me what a 'Beetleguese' is? I googled it.. but all I got was a stretched out face.

[camn]

Magna, you are killing me.
Your posts are so long, and so misrepresentative. I can't take it any more.
And are you seriously calling me out like I was LURKING?

Like, wtf.

How is responding to your posts about me scummy?
Just a sec..

[camn]

You know what?
I was just going into refute Magna's posts... But then I realized that I already had...And that I can't take his hypocrisy anymore.

'No U'? His responses to my responses are literally the word 'Nah."
And calling me schoolyard is actually such a bummer that I don't give a shit anymore.

He wins. Big long posts shouting the same shit over and over...Great. I don't have the heart to repeat myself.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camn
That should be L-1
I'm sure LLD will come out of hiding to hammer. 'Pull a Beetleguese', so to speak.

The scumteam is Magna and LLD, IMO.
Please lynch them

[camn]

Actually, I just ISO'D Magna looking at this BulletProof thing with UZI...And he might be town. He has a good point about his hammer.. too bad he is so wrong about me..And being so shitty about it.
Which brings us back to LLD and a Robot as the scum.

Anyway please someone hammer so I can ignore this game properly.

[camn]

camn doesn't strike me as the type of person to self vote as town

I'm emotional. Magna has thoroughly bummed me out, and I don't really wanna play anymore.
Plus the town will be well served by a real hammer, rather than a deadline lynch.
So let's see it.

[camn]

No!
I want death. I want it now.
I can't spend another day with Magna asking ng me the same questions over and over with his smugness and snark.
I want this town to get in the right track...And my flip will help I think.

[camn]

I'd support an LLD lynch though.
I was gonna shoot her... So I wasn't harping on it... But she would be a good lynch.

[camn]

Conversely, A red MoI flip will clear you so let's do that instead of do you really think he's town now

I don't know!
He's right about the bulletproof thing. Is he scum bulletproof...And then gets all butthurt that there might be TOWN bulletproof?
Of course... He is calling me a liar, too....So maybe that is just his MO- to say "that claim's a lie".
And was he bothered by Pisskop ALSO claiming bulletproof? I don't think he was.

I'd lynch him.
He's still my #3 though.

[camn]

I'm not faking.
The electoral college has crushed my spirit irl.
I can't take the nonsense here, too.

[camn]

You are right, Soc.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Magnaof Illusion

#MmsGA!

[camn]

Spyrex, you should get on the right side of this, too.

[camn]

Deadlines coming and the scumbags are gonna slow-roll a 'camn > NoLynch ' argument... Which will let them all of the hook for the craphammer.
It cannot be allowed... And LLD is too lurky to startup a real wagon in the remaining time... Though if you get the votes I'll hammer her and glory in it.