Mini 1855: Questionable Content Mafia - Game Over!

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Checking in.

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didn't read this comic before playing this game
read like 1000 panels instead of posting in this game

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i enjoyed myself, thank you for asking

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It's fun and then /wrists then fun

I'm a dominatrix.
Does that help things at all?

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"I haven't seen this many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral" is a fantastic line.

MOD: Yeah, that's a great one. I personally don't think that the pre-1k comics have as many good lines as the later ones (I like 1800ish through about 3000 the most, personally), but it did have some amazing ones.

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I will be back tomorrow! And actually will be back tomorrow, won't just post random QC tidbits.

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Maybe it's just my reading but the idea of camn saying early tells are the best somehow morphing into ohh so better than a whole gamesworth of info smugface was missing the point of the statement so violently it gives me pause

generally i don't find that scum makes dumb misrepresentations over theory

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hi spy! i'm coming home today!

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socrates is town
along with camn
and probably jae but i haven't actually read any of their posts in depth so that's definitely not a high confidence call

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socrates in particular is a pretty important townread to me because the sense that i'm getting there is rusty town through and through; don't think he pops up and has a scumgame like this and if people are calling them scum they are silly

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although "misrep" and "opportunistic", while overused, are still fairly important in finding bad boys and girls

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whys camn town

she seems so excited and happy! ^.^
why is she scum?

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Socrates seems more like he's rusty, but not quite town.

Hes a relic, no? I see some surface scanning,but I dont have any faith in a lasting townread on him, I just dont find him scummy.

he's a gem but making assumptions about his playstyle when you don't know him seems silly

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although "misrep" and "opportunistic", while overused, are still fairly important in finding bad boys and girls

It's about leaning on the the words themselves to build a case. Everything is a 'misrep' to the other party, and all votes can be called 'opportunistic'.

not everything should be a misrep to the other party; no reason why two arguing people can't understand each other
all votes can be called opportunistic, but there's a big difference between an scummily opportunistic vote and a vote that pushes someone close to a lynch

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Make sensicals, that is.

I can and will judge people I dont know. Its about getting the proper metric

no argument there, just saying that holding his relic against him is NOT COOL

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kraska
i'm here to tell you that two of those reads are superbad

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why won't you tell me why you think that camn is scum?

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nothing shes done so far seems to lead anywhere good or meaningful
and i think her socrates push is really bad

aww man that's the vaguest case ever
hell yeah her socrates push is garbage but there's no reason for her to stick her neck out that far for a lynch she's not getting today

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and her being the first to push back against the Jae garbage push that was going on within the old guard is a ++ sign of town, you don't want to do anything but go with the flow when you're in the cool kid's group and she was certainly in the cool kid's group then.

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moi if you just compared my posts to mcnuggets then we can't be friends anymore

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Vote: Aristophanes

moi i hope that i can be a proper nutritious meal for you in the future

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We just got approved for overtime for this week that I'm taking advantage of; had about an hour to do what I wanted when I got home today and needed it to close out a game in LyLo offsite; will be here tomorrow.

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I'm not going to do things today because I'm addicted to the euphoria of breaking promises. I will attempt to start a catch up; maybe 20 minutes of garbled nonsense will be enough to keep Jae off my back? Let's see.

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Nacho is a big ball of unhappiness for my stomach

I am afraid to say that pleasing you the way you would like me to is out of the question; incest is not on the "Approved Kinks" list.

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Hm. I agree. About the 7.

And side note: I love that this is in the rules: "in no way should you ever feel "cheated" by the moderator.".
ITS THE RULES.

I disagree I think that it's silly and useless and ignores confirming by PM which is technically possible.
But then again I'm a big bad spoilsport.

Gonna claim my role before the end of this day

This lays groundwork for the mass flavor claim business, so if you were surprised about it, you shouldn't have been.

I have a post restriction.

Everything I type must be grammatically perfect.

I want to kill myself.

Oooh, you already failed.

jk

Mod response implies the post restriction is true.
I don't understand people's points that it's an excuse for LLD to lurk (she's perfectly capable of posting when she needs to and how the hell is "I have to make grammatically correct posts" an excuse to lurk for a fluent English speaker?).

Ahem. *points to the summary of my rules*

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[*]If all players die, the game will end in a

draw

!

Interesting thing to put down as usually you wouldn't expect a flood of kills at the end

It's just in case we all decide to get ourselves modkill in a beautiful protest of the game of Mafia in general.

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Actually, you were mildly below my null line anyway. What I perceived as sheeping of Dunn's bad vote just solidified it. Then you decided to reach to make up reasoning for your vote.

no thanks jae

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I would like to propose we turbo lynch JaeReed.

I'd like to see a corpse before page 10, folks.

Can we make this happen?

your heart was in the right place but the destination was bad
the person who needs to die is named Aristophanes and they need death as quickly as is convenient for this lovely group of people we have playing with us

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in fact it's pretty much a travesty that they haven't been lynched already, but i understand a few people need to shake off the rust and settle all of the personality conflicts but aristo posting is scummy enough where they're practically taunting me and i don't like it at all

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Checking in.

I'm not familiar with any of the flavor but I feel like it could be indicative of alignment in some way. I'll try to read up on it sometime tomorrow.

Taking all of the claims so far with a grain of salt. I think Lady's post restriction thing might be legit though. Seems like it would be very hard to fake but at the same time it's a convenient excuse for lack of content.

Am I missing something with Camn and Jae? Saw a few votes on them and didn't really see anything too scummy.

at this point i'm hoping the game is horrible unbalanced because so far scumteam is not impressing all too much
if i sat down and made a post with the express purpose being "be as boring as possible" i'm not quite sure i could craft a masterpiece at this level

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"i have nothing to say about flavor but maybe it matters?
i see the claims! maybe LLD is telling the truth! oh and i don't believe any claims yet but i don't have anything particular on any of them!
i don't understand why people are being voted on page 5!"

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Why are you both not focusing on the more concerning part of the post? LOL

i think both of you are focusing on shaky theory and missing out on what is scum masterpiece theatre, but you two do you

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You kids and your hopscotch and videogames I'm not explaining charlie brown i draw the line in the sand with my elderly fingers

And lol at lld lack of content

you know sometimes i have no idea what the hell you're saying but i love it all the same

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Hey guys camn needs more votes
The way she approached jae shows she's not interested in pressing them for content
Instead of poking jae about the weird comments on Socrates, all she does is call jae scum

You have no idea how uneasy you're making me right now given the last game we played together.

Sorry I was really horribly manipulative that game and I'm never playing like that as scum again coz it felt like shit and made the game unfun

embrace the darkness kraska

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Okay on a reread I'm seeing what you guys are seeing now. I thought you guys were voting Jae for their vigilante comment which I found fairly reasonable considering what kind of game this is.

I don't understand how Jae originally found a conformation post more worthy of receiving a read compared to someone claiming miller. Even if you have a real reason for not factoring the claim, you could have still commented on her laughing at Lady's claim. I mean that would have most likely been received null but it's better than leaving someone off the list like they never posted.

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the miller claim could be town or scum, it's not alignment indicative unless you have knowledge on kraska as a player
"laughing at Lady's claim" is quite possibly the least alignment indicative to happen in thread at that point so no using it as a reason to read someone doesn't make any sense
this is not something you believe, sorry but thank you for playing.

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LLD, SpyreX, JaeReed, let's lynch some scum; MoI I would invite you to join but we all know you move when you're damn ready and I know you have a particular dislike for continuous promises and repeated not doing shit and you're about to get two handfuls of that shortly. JaeReed I know you probably want some guidance to rescue you from that dark world of your MoI world but as I still haven't caught up with the game completely I need you to talk about MoI before I can make that dream a reality.

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oh, and LLD?
me ignoring you isn't significant until the game's actually begun.

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oh, and LLD?
me ignoring you isn't significant until the game's actually begun.

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LLD, SpyreX, JaeReed, let's lynch some scum; MoI I would invite you to join but we all know you move when you're damn ready and I know you have a particular dislike for continuous promises and repeated not doing shit and you're about to get two handfuls of that shortly. JaeReed I know you probably want some guidance to rescue you from that dark world of your MoI world but as I still haven't caught up with the game completely I need you to talk about MoI before I can make that dream a reality.

So where am I to you? Null? Scum?

town. why would i ask you to vote ari with me when you're already voting ari?

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JaeReed I know you probably want some guidance to rescue you from that dark world of your MoI world but as I still haven't caught up with the game completely I need you to talk about MoI before I can make that dream a reality.

Nacho, I'm going to make this perfectly clear: I don't townread you. Stop trying to buddy up to me.

dark world of that MoI read*
I'm not trying to buddy you; when buddying, I try to aim for more "lovable" and "charming" and less "obnoxious substanceless asshole". Instead, since I thought you were in the business of attempting to read me, I tried to open up a line of communication by challenging you on your MoI read; why didn't you talk about your read there?

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I never said that 77's laughing about the claim would be alignment indicative, just thought it be something that Jae could've mentioned if they were unsure of what to comment on in since they weren't factoring the miller claim at the time.

When someone says they are "unsure of what to comment on", typically they mean that they don't see anything alignment-indicative to comment on.
Why would they care about commenting on anything else?

The boring thing. Generally, town end up sticking their necks out someway, somehow. This is what make their posts interesting. When they don't, their posts are boring. Now, sometimes I give people the benefit of the doubt; some people have a way of viewing the world that doesn't mesh with mine and doesn't pique their interest. However, the people who view the world like that and people who would name themselves Lil Uzi Vert typically don't interact much. Does that answer your question?

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^ Why? Nacho is pushing Ari, so why would he be scum if Nacho is scum?

Every couple of years, there comes a player who as scum is very, very uncomfortable playing scum and not so uncomfortable playing town. When they play town, the relief in their posts in tangible; they are not particularly difficult to find. When they play scum.... promises of catch up and good posts and then more promises of catch up and good posts and then nothing. That's what you're seeing here. You can wait as long as you'd like for evidence to stack up, but this is the sort of lynch that you thank the shiny mafia gods is happening for the good of your team because being completely unable to defend a partner because there is no good counterargument to "this is their scumgame" sucks ass.

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Nacho came out and placed an initial vote on Ari. Perchance he intended to move that vote...'on catchup'
The wagon expanded. Perhaps to Nacho's chagrin?

If I vote a partner, I'm willing to lynch a partner.
If you're posturing for suspicion on me, I'd recommend dropping your "sheep to read" method and instead going all-in on getting me lynched; my dancing partners of late have been more frustrating than competent and it'd be a nice change of pace to deal with someone with a sense of rhythm. That invitation extends to LLD, of course, although I would be a bit surprised if her scumread still holds once she's comfortable in the game again.

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IF Nacho is scum:

Camn, LUV, and Jae are all town.
I'll need to take another look at MOI.
Heavy odds on Ari being scum.

You're absolutely correct that I would bus the shit out of Ari if I were scum here; in addition, I wouldn't push a lynch like this unless I had a level of confidence that was particularly unusual for mafia games. Why have you decided to vote me for it? Because I'm not giving Aristo enough time? That implies the argument that everyone needs a set amount of days before lynching them, and no, I don't really think that's the case; experience can dictate otherwise and here it does.

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We are not allowing Aristophanes to die without posting.

Replace him, if need be.

You do realize he does have 12 posts... right?

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Who shouldn’t be surprised? You are quoting Dunn who is the one who started the flavor claim so I’m sure he wasn’t surprised ….

That was a general "you".

Answer me this on Jae then Nacho – do you really see him as that strongly Town. If Ari is scum (which I’ve given him enough time to demonstrate he isn’t by not playing directly to his scum meta) what do you think of Jae’s “maybe I’ve vote Ari who I have no actual scum read on or maybe I’ll vote MoI who I’ve called scum repeatedly” dithering as coming from Town?

I can't say I care considering it's sure as shit not going to save him and it's sure as shit not going to buy Jae cred - sometimes town dithers over an easy decision even when the answer is hitting them in the face, and sometimes, in the special case of Socrates, town takes a very simple decision and does something... weird? Inexplicable?

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he has an abysmal level of content

god damn it pisskop

socrates was supposed to say "but he hasn't done anything!" and then i was going to post a picture of spike

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At this point the persisten lack of content is intentional
Which is sad bcs lynch tells us nothing but whatever he's scum here

no, it's not sad at all.
every once in a while the mafia gods give you a free lynch. when you get them you take them because they won't last forever and when the gravy train ends you're going to get your world fucking rocked.

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you know i thought that wouldn't feel good but it still felt good
thanks kop

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I love it when someone engages me directly,

treat others how you want to be treated
if i voted you and didn't say why then started talking about other people's alignment i'm sure you wouldn't be tickled by my approach

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VOTE: jawreed

This is Charlie Brown and the football all over again

Just looked up the reference (and yes I know of Charlie Brown, I just never read most of it).

Why did you perceive what was happening there to be reminiscent of that strip?

when you want something and it looks like it's happening and then it's dragged away from you at the last moment

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in this case spyrex's dreams aren't good for the health of the game and so he doesn't get them often

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Hold up

I'm beginning to forget that u could be scum urself!! We can't be compadres just yet srry I don't fully trust u yet

it's okay friend, i'm used to being misunderstood
i'm fairly confident the last words uttered before this game ends will be "if they aren't scum then make sure to look at Nacho again, he could just be fooling us"

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Where as your feelings on me are total OMGUS?

Not at all.

I already stated that you were below null before your vote on me.

Hmmm. It seems like your early game were a lot of interactions that seemed like they went kind of funky because of bad communication; I'll do a bit better in being clear when responding to you because I can't imagine that my current approach is helping.

For one, when I don't contribute more, I can't. Sometimes other things come first, other times I'm just fucking tired, other times I end up procrastinating too much; these are things I shouldn't fuck up on, but I do and it's not particularly tied with alignment (I enjoy both sides of the game enough and am comfortable enough posting on either side where I don't dread making a post because of my alignment). My approach with Aristo is based on experience; I've been scumpartners with him once, everyone knew that he lurked as scum, everyone picked up on him lurking as scum, scumpartners told him to post more, he essentially couldn't. When I've played with him as town (a couple times, a few times), he's seemed town/I've locked down a townread on him fairly early. I think that he has a significant weakness in his scumgame and I think this weakness is magnified by pressure. I think his initial approach "I just got here!" without doing something is fairly damning in and of itself but it's not like he hasn't gotten a chance to do something; I'd give more benefit of the doubt if I wasn't familiar with his game, but I am and I don't see any reason offering it.

As for my approach to you, it's probably accurate to say that I'm buddying in that I'm tailoring my play to communicate better with you and you specifically; assigning that to scum motivation because "buddying" is a common tell will not give you much accuracy in general since it's an integral part of my style. I'd expect you to be familiar with this approach based on our first game together based on my shameless buddying of several key players, hence my initial response to you being as dismissive as it was; if it came off as rude, it wasn't my intention (although I imagine my style this game will probably end up being a bit grating), and if there's something you want me to slow down and talk about seriously, just let me know.

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But why are you willing to wagon them? There is like no reason to at the moment.

sometimes scumminess is the absence of towniness, sort of like how evil is occasionally the absence of good
you know?
i'm sort of squicked by you questioning it in the first place since "I'm willing to wagon a non-poster" doesn't really seem like the most revolutionary of stances but maybe we were cut from a different cloth

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I don't think there's an expression for the bewilderment on my face.

It's been eons since I've coached anyone aside from don't lurk and don't post like pants on head cause the most important thing is being genuine

You should add meta to your list i hate that one the most

It wouldn't have to be much. Just a sentence like "Socrates is easy to please, just talk the right way." and then Jae oversells it way too hard.

i like you sticking your neck out early but i think this is something that comes from crazytown

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@Jae:

I just find it telling. It read like she does not care to hear the opinions of those who haven't chimed in yet.

because she said wagon...?
this seems like reaching in the worst way possible.

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It's fun and then /wrists then fun

I'm a dominatrix.
Does that help things at all?

Nacho, will you dominate me?

My job is your pleasure.

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Did it say what language can you make up hatespeek and be grammatically correct in it

Are you saying I should do it in French?

Just post. Let it out, let the worry go. If you end up getting modkilled because you don't meet DS's vision of your role, then no one will blame you; lord knows I probably would have been modkilled three times over if our roles were reversed.

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Did it say what language can you make up hatespeek and be grammatically correct in it

Are you saying I should do it in French?

Just post. Let it out, let the worry go. If you end up getting modkilled because you don't meet DS's vision of your role, then no one will blame you; lord knows I probably would have been modkilled three times over if our roles were reversed.

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I'm the oddly stiff one? Rubbish.

You're correct that there's no logical explanation for Jae to reach the conclusion they did but gut wants what it wants and when said gut is referring to a confirmation post then it doesn't really matter in the end.

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Half and half. I'm not passionate but i dont have something revving my desires yet

How much longer should we give Nacho before we kill him?

Is there a reason why you're torches and pitchforks when it comes to me and warm cuddles and dancing in the rain when it comes to Aristo? If you're his scumpartner, then it's probably time to just let him go. You can try to tie me to him while I'm busy lynching your other partner.

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Eh, I'm not feeling pisskop. I actually liked his reaction to being scumread. The whole "you need to learn the differences" thing.

was okay.
not great.

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I feel good about everyone complement {camn, you, nacho, vert} so doesnt matter to me which one of the 4 i vote
pisskop close to being there too but I liked the catchup

you came close to getting whooped by a sadface?
lame

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Did it say what language can you make up hatespeek and be grammatically correct in it

Are you saying I should do it in French?

Just post. Let it out, let the worry go. If you end up getting modkilled because you don't meet DS's vision of your role, then no one will blame you; lord knows I probably would have been modkilled three times over if our roles were reversed.

There are many punishments for not obeying the rules.

My need to obey mine is rather

obsessive

. You might say that I have a

compulsion

.

Point taken.
We need to put in work to find a work around, though; I don't think cycles of misery and frustration are what you're supposed to experience in this particular game.

MOD: Can you guys stop trying to "out-smart" me? I'm being serious here.

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I mean of course there's the "trying to make it as short and painless as possible" thing, but I can't say I've ever been a fan.

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I think it's really scummy that you were saying we have the same reads as a reason for ME not to be voting YOU earlier but now you ignore that and are also acting like I'm voting you for the first time out of nowhere

i don't understand why you think this is scummy
and also point out that if "we have the same reads!" is a post that makes you back off something then your original push wasn't overly solid

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Also- May I just point out- I immediately got votes from people who I said were scummy. Immediately.
No analysis. No discussion. No questions.
I didn't even put any reasoning for those reads.
It is SO hard to take that kind of play seriously. Apparently the scummiest thing is to say someone is scummy. Its the theme of this game. I don't even need to vote them.. just MENTION that I think they are scummy.

except one look at both our isos will reveal the gospel truth
we've been sccumreading you throughout while youve undulated from townreading to scumreading us
your scumreads continue to look sketchy

hey kraska friend come talk to me about your "us" wrt dunnstral; dunny didn't do shit and you're already ride or die on him?

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Also- May I just point out- I immediately got votes from people who I said were scummy. Immediately.
No analysis. No discussion. No questions.
I didn't even put any reasoning for those reads.
It is SO hard to take that kind of play seriously. Apparently the scummiest thing is to say someone is scummy. Its the theme of this game. I don't even need to vote them.. just MENTION that I think they are scummy.

except one look at both our isos will reveal the gospel truth
we've been sccumreading you throughout while youve undulated from townreading to scumreading us
your scumreads continue to look sketchy

hey kraska friend come talk to me about your "us" wrt dunnstral; dunny didn't do shit and you're already ride or die on him?

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Socrates seems more like he's rusty, but not quite town.

Hes a relic, no? I see some surface scanning,but I dont have any faith in a lasting townread on him, I just dont find him scummy.

you phrased this at poking at the chinks
how exactly are you poking at chinks here?

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What's the case on Ari? Nothing about his tone seems off and he's always this fluffy. He also implied he would be finished catching up by tomorrow so let's judge one of his hopefully many substantial posts of the game then and go from there.

how did that go for you?

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Dear all the camn-haters. I am going to totally and ruthlessly sheep nacho right now. Probably for the next 2 game days.

and for all the camn-haters, this is called "sheeping someone you are trying to read". i don't employ it often myself, but it does seem fun.

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I’m Marten. Sorry to everyone that I got the cool main character and you didn’t! *

I am your mother, Veronica Reed (also known as Veronica Vance in my line of work). I am unsure why that needed to be said considering my crumbs were less crumbs and more "I AM VERONICA REED" in bright green lettering but if it makes you feel better, then I'm doing my job.

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Socrates seems more like he's rusty, but not quite town.

Hes a relic, no? I see some surface scanning,but I dont have any faith in a lasting townread on him, I just dont find him scummy.

you phrased this at poking at the chinks
how exactly are you poking at chinks here?

I was talking to you. Poking him has nothing to do with poking at you.

where were you poking at me again?

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in this case spyrex's dreams aren't good for the health of the game and so he doesn't get them often

Counterpoint

Speed lynches are hilarious

hilarious, but the amusement gained from them fades fast
they're basically cocaine and you are addicted

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and horribly inept at finding a dealer who isn't a police officer but still addicted

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well this time you got to wait for me to catch up in thread and be my beautiful self and if we didn't wait for Aristo to replace in we would have missed out on taking the easy layup which we might still miss if you don't fix your failvote and make it a proper L-1

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also your heart really wasn't in it this time and it showed

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Oh ho ho I was thinking of Hungarian Notak II which I think you read but you did not play

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I'd upgrade camn. I definitely would not upgrade pisskop.

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I need a new face

You're beautiful just the way you are, I was hoping he'd give you military grade lasers or something.

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NACHO have you caught up on the comic yet tho?

Not really. I've read a good chunk of recent comics and a good chunk of old comics but I'm missing a huge chunk in the middle. I thought people would hate me if I kept reading instead of posting