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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:51 am

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In post 599, karnos wrote:On the other hand, waiting too many nights increases the chance that I will just be killed before I can share at all, which reduces my role's value to 0. I figure two nights is the sweet spot.
I'm figuring you mean three nights, not two. You've already had two nights. But yes, dying is bad, which is why soft claiming today was wholly unnecessary. And I've never seen a hedged claim (mini-claiming on one day, to make sure your value isn't 0. Except for breadcrumming, but that's shitty).
In post 598, karnos wrote:I'm not saying I would have claimed yesterday, but I see advantages to not revealing my target.

If I have two people who I have used my power on, and I question one of them about it, they can't just lie and say "oh yeah, I did get that message on night 1" - not unless they want to gamble a 50% chance of getting the night wrong.

But if I spell out exactly who I targeted and when, they can just lie if they are scum and the investigative potential is wasted.
But why did you start by soft-claiming on ironstove then? Let's look at this with a shitty logic table. If you think (not actual results, but based on your intuition),

N1 = town, N2 = town
then claiming today has no benefits (you got no interesting information)

N1 = town, N2 = scum
then asking N1 to confirm makes complete sense (they confirm ironstove (N2))

N1 = scum, N2 = town
then asking N1 would have made more sense than asking N2

N1 = scum, N2 = scum
then asking no-one and waiting for the N3 sweetspot would have made the most sense.

Your play just never makes sense to me. Unless you investigated people that you have no read on, which we both agree would not be a good move right? Or you don't trust your intuition (which you should, if you're town. Because even if you're 10% worse at catching scum as other players right now, then you still have 10% more information than other people, because you know yourself as town - you'd be playing at an above average percentage. Good bets all round).
Additionally, you're wrong about your gamble (leaving it at that).
Honestly, even this discussion shouldn't have happened. But then again, neither should you claim.

(As a side, until we figure out how the rules changed from the chairman day, we should really not be voting at all until we majority-wise decide to lynch someone. There is literally no advantage to pre-emptive voting right now. Just throw FoSes around).
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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:22 am

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I think you don't understand how my role works. I pick a player to target, that is it. I do not get a result back. I don't know if they are town or scum.

But if I target a given player on one of nights 1 or 2 and then ask them if they got the benefit, and they confirm the correct night... they are probably town. OTOH if they "confirm" and guess the wrong night, obvious scum. Or if they claim they never got any message at all, self admitted scum.

*Scum, meaning not town. They could be some neutral faction.
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:04 am

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No, I understand it, hence why I said "If you think", not "if you know". You should hopefully have intuition on the people you're investigating. My small table was explaining what you think of the people you investigate, not what they are.

But no, it's not that simple. But there is literally nothing to be gained from me explaining how it's not that simple. It wouldn't help town, but it would help scum.
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:07 am

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The takeaway eitherway from all of this is

1) ironstove is definitely not the lynch;
2) scum have gotten a large advantage because of two unnecessary power-role claims (yours and tiershift); and
3) why are we not discussing the fact that someone claimed cult-leader?
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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:08 am

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Both heads will be a bit busy this week, but we'll get on here probably today or tomorrow. For now, please stop role blocking us and let us be helpful. :(
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:28 am

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cult leader please recruit me, I'm over being town.
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:29 am

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I'd like to join the manson family, where do i submit my application?
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:29 am

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dude we're really cool faerielord

ironstove feel free to post it in thread

so who's up for a snarky lynch
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:35 pm

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VOTE: Snarky VOTE: Chairman VOTE: Sn VOTE: Mao
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:36 pm

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In post 603, FaerieLord wrote:The takeaway eitherway from all of this is

1) ironstove is definitely not the lynch;
2) scum have gotten a large advantage because of two unnecessary power-role claims (yours and tiershift); and
3) why are we not discussing the fact that someone claimed cult-leader?
No one claimed cult leader. Someone just mentioned a cult, that's all.
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:00 am

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VOTE: Mas y Menos

Lets just lynch the cult. I hate Scientologists.
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:59 am

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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:32 am

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@mod can we get updated VCs?
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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:37 pm

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im replacing suzune and i have no idea what i went into lol this looks fun
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:39 pm

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i also read 1st page with the rules + last page and so far iron seems town
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:59 am

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VOTE: Mas y Menos
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:56 pm

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VOTE: mas
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:01 pm

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Wow.
You do know you have to lynch the leader to get anywhere right?
Karnos is likely scum who wants to get culted into a win.
I checked with the mod and while I don't know the specifics, I will stay alive after the leader dies.
I propose we lynch 1-9 and then maybe Karnos.
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:20 am

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There's no cult; the mod's lying.

I already claimed anyway, so we should lynch Mas y Menos who is prob. scum.
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:36 am

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In post 609, 123456789 wrote:
In post 603, FaerieLord wrote:The takeaway eitherway from all of this is

1) ironstove is definitely not the lynch;
2) scum have gotten a large advantage because of two unnecessary power-role claims (yours and tiershift); and
3) why are we not discussing the fact that someone claimed cult-leader?
No one claimed cult leader. Someone just mentioned a cult, that's all.
I don't know... I mean Mas Y Menos did say that they are now against the chairman after receiving your bananas or whatever
They also did say that you are a "shitty cult or whatever".
Nobody claimed cult leader, but cult leader effects were claimed from your actions

And now you have someone else from your banana posse that thinks you're the leader too. So...
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In post 615, 123456789 wrote:VOTE: Mas y Menos
In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wow.
You do know you have to lynch the leader to get anywhere right?
Karnos is likely scum who wants to get culted into a win.
I checked with the mod and while I don't know the specifics, I will stay alive after the leader dies.
I propose we lynch 1-9 and then maybe Karnos.
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Where did you get the karnos thing from? That'd be a pretty bold claim from his end.

(Pre-post EDIT: 1-9, why do you think the mod is lying not Gamma // Mas? Your dismissiveness is a bit weird)
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:54 am

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@Fairie --> It's bastard, and the claims do, as you say, line up with my actions.

It's unlikely for both players I gave fruit to to be lying, so that leaves the mod is lying.
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:05 am

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In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wow.
You do know you have to lynch the leader to get anywhere right?
Nonsense. Cult recruits one each night, you kill one each day, that keeps the cult under control. Alternativbe is to ignore it and the cult gets control of the vote and game over.
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:07 am

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In post 621, karnos wrote:
In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wow.
You do know you have to lynch the leader to get anywhere right?
Nonsense. Cult recruits one each night, you kill one each day, that keeps the cult under control. Alternativbe is to ignore it and the cult gets control of the vote and game over.
No eventually the cult will overtake the town.
This is very faulty logic.
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:56 am

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I'll update shit when I'm done being hung over from Thanksgiving
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:35 am

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In post 620, 123456789 wrote:@Fairie --> It's bastard, and the claims do, as you say, line up with my actions.

It's unlikely for both players I gave fruit to to be lying, so that leaves the mod is lying.
Or that you're a cult leader but don't know it. You have a hidden win condition?
Or that you're lying.

I'm willing to believe those two options above the mod lying, to be honest
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In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wow.
You do know you have to lynch the leader to get anywhere right?
Nonsense. Cult recruits one each night, you kill one each day, that keeps the cult under control. Alternativbe is to ignore it and the cult gets control of the vote and game over.
So you want to limit the pool of people we can lynch every day to the people that 1-9 chooses? You actually think this is a good idea?
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