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VOTE: Sesq

I can always policy lynch quote pyramids

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I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

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so I'm thinking scum would usually hop on a 4th spot in a situation like this and push the wagon along / at least see if it gets a little more traction...that they haven't eeeither means there is scum already on it and they don't want to double-down, or it is scum...

Or you know, maybe they haven't had time to vote yet? I'll have to go back and look at the wagon, but it's interesting that you're trying to narrow it down to either the wagon target or the wagon members, at this early stage.

VOTE: Drealmerz

I like this post. Shannon can be town for now

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VOTE: rb

Mind sharing why?

Fear vote imo. At least it's what I'll tell myself to feel good.

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This game's boring, we should lynch a scum or 5 to spice it up.

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wheres kts when u need to fight for no reason over nothing??

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VOTE: rb

im afraid this cannot be transcend and rb powerfuck the mafia part deux

do u mean transcend sheeps rb powerfucking the mafia part deux?

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we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

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probably town because it seems to be about the norm for town to be like, "i dunno what to do" but rb seems weird and maybe scummy

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^ i don't even understand what's being said in the post above me

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can someone translate it into a spiderman meme for me?

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damn, so sassy

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this mod is so good

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rb was right, JaeReed was left

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damn sesq your first meme was so sassy i was all like

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but then you made that joke and now i be all

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you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

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bleh

UNVOTE:

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transcend i dno why ur being weird but if ur scum u can just get urself modkilled because ill feel bad if i have to lynch u

my heart still hasnt recovered fully from lynching kraska

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super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

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super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

Why do you think that?

post 54 is literally pointless fluff that serves no purpose except, 'look im contributing'

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anyone who doesnt like kraska is maladjusted and needs to report to The Collective™ for readjustment therapy

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Phwoar, this wagon though

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Actually I forgot why I was scumreading ssbm.

VOTE: TTTTT

Naked vote entrance, insists Drone explains stuff when all he's done is naked vote.

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#LeaveDroneAlone

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drealmerz ur such a serious person wow

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how the fuck did my wagon evaporate? scummiest wagon ive ever fucking seen tbh

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TTTT is probably town for staying on it actually

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UNVOTE: TTTT

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we should kill one of the people who got on and then off the wagon

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Thing is I never took that stance, reread. Stop misrepresenting.

okay so you're okay if the wagon were to build to L-2, L-1, claim, + lynch in the next hour?

how have u not learned from NY198?

we are playing a game of finding ppl who are deceiving us, playing slower does not increase our chances of finding such people

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TTTT is probably town for staying on it actually

TTTTT wasn't here though. Walk me through your thought process in slightly smaller baby steps?

predit: drealmerz i do not understand the argument

yes he was, he just posted after the wagon dissipated and stayed on it

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Uzi + drealmerz are not a scumteam

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maybe...not sure of that yet

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It's not like I malignantly quickhammered. I joke-voted. I'm telling you there isn't scum motivation in joke-voting, and it's only bad for town because the culprit is town in the first place; if I were mafia, I'd be giving town the rope with which to hang me for... what? A tiny chance to get one townie lynched early in d1... which would require two townies messing up and doing the same thing you're saying i'm scum for?

How do u know im townie though?

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If its scum theatre its rly good tbh

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Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.

scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now

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why is LUV scum tho?

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scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now

But that means you didn't consider I'm a good enough scum player to not freak out about L-2.

it means that its early game and every read is relative to the state of the game

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why is drealmerz town transcend?

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I think theres scum in Impo/sesq/drealmerz/someone else i forgot the name of but i think Impo is the worst pick of the bunch

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I think theres scum in Impo/sesq/drealmerz/someone else i forgot the name of but i think Impo is the worst pick of the bunch

Was it Drone? His entrance was a little awkward and felt kind of forced.

i remember it was ssbm - but i forgot why i was even scumreading him as well now

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i can kill drealmerz/sesq

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impo as well but i think one of the other 2 is better and ssbm is better kill than Impo too.

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Let me rephrase: this is antitown because I am town risking letting people pile on a vote 7 pages in that most likely wouldn't flip scum, and then getting fosed for it, leading to potentially burning out multiple MLs due to my incompetence if it had happened.

If I were mafia, I'd be risking trading myself for a quicklynch d1, the day I imagine it's

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suboptimal to quicklynch because flips help town and i heard scum rarely gets lynched d1 in forum mafia anyway. What's the scum thought process in doing that intentionally?

I can only imagine your argument is that I don't care who is lynched therefore I'm scum, but to that I'd point out that scum's first goal in the game -- or one of them, anyway -- is to look like they care who is lynched.

I'm feeling good about an imp lynch after this post

VOTE: Imp

What about it makes you feel good?

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so either i'm wrong about TTTT being town for staying on my wagon or he's lazy scum keeping an entrance vote - but i don't really think if he was scum that he would have sat on it and actually argued with my TR on him. so he's more town than before too

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so either i'm wrong about TTTT being town for staying on my wagon because he's lazy scum keeping an entrance vote - but i don't really think if he was scum that he would have sat on it and actually argued with my TR on him. so he's more town than before too

EBWOP

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kill/lynch/vote are all interchangeable words for me

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and id kill them because they're scum obv

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Sesq is awkward af and plays the newbie card too much for my liking + I don't like the way they got on and then off my wagon.

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There's definitely scum that was on my wagon and then got off it. It happens a lot in early game imo.

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i feel good about the people on the drealmerz wagon

VOTE: Drealmerz

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and drealmerz is making less and less sense to the point i can't just chalk it up to him being derptown

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i think it's definite that they were sheeping other people's reasons - whether it's because confused town or just scum is debatable. some people just sheep

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rb what's the drealmerz vote for? You were saying it's debatable if he's doing what he's doing because he's confused town or because he's scum

Earlier you suspected me for saying your action could just as easily be either town or scum motivated so just checkin yo

I said I can't accept his play as derptown.

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His comment on rb not considering that he is a good scum player is implying that rb knows Mr. T is not scum, which implies that rb is scum.

Tbh i really doubt TTTT is a competent scum player. I can usually pick who is a good or bad player as either elignment from only a few posts and hes not good.

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I'm actually really bored of mafia right now and I think drealmerz + sesq are both good lynches.

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Theres nearly 11 more days of deadline relax m8

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health reasons = suffering too much anxiety trying to figure out a post to craft to get him out of the hole he's dug himself into after I called out his BS to link me to his other games and would rather dump the problem onto another player instead.

Nobody has ever faked being sick to leave, or left due to suspicion. Is this projecting? Probably not. Also, I was going to unvote you for your early posts, and I don't see this as a scum move as much as I do a dick move, so I'm unvoting.

UNVOTE: ironstove

MFOS: ironstove

also, due to his recent prod-dodging shenanigans and general disengagement, VOTE: rb Get your head in the game.

Lol, opportunist vote.

Sesq is scum.

VOTE: Sesq

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Transcend is probs scum with Sesq.

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Someone did a meta dive on me, LUL

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I'm really bored and we should lynch Sesq/Transcend/Drealmerz and then thank me later

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Or I can't figure out why I don't like Transcend, probably just because he thinks I'm scum when I expect more of him.

-Transcend +ssbm for scum

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it's not sesq voting it's me getting back from work and posting, i'm still pretty uninterested in mafia atm because i'm generally tired

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^Opportunistic unvote

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transcend is town because he calls me a ML and I've done shit for this game and would be an easy target at this point

you will have my words tonight

That's the worst reason for a TR, lmao

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Unless u think Transcend is rly shit scum, he doesnt need to jump on the easiest lynch wagon day1 - bad play to lynch the ez lynches first anyway

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Kyouko

: I haven't been putting anything off. You know as I well I do that you can't force someone to sit down and talk if they don't want to, especially in this case with the majority showing no interest in joining the call to hold him accountable. He's clearly shown no drive or intuitive in wanting to correct things and there is nothing I can do but hope others see the light and join that call. In the meantime, I'm going continue to look for his partners. I was very sold on the meta dive by Iron on rb and seeing as I've played quite a few games with rb where he was town I think I can safely say he's not town this game. The whole I'm not really feeling mafia excuse doesn't really fly with me either since replacing out is always an option if you aren't feeling motivated to play.

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VOTE: rb

Meh, I'm low activity in all my games atm.

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oh people are still voting me, that's cool

i guess we're gonna lose the game to obvscum transcend and drealmerz then

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1-shot BP

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jakes im a 97-shot commuter

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they really don't contradict, have u seen the way MS sets up these games?

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also good thing u fucking CC'd on day 1 retard, now vote drealmerz with me

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lol sry, it was meant affectionately i <3 transcend hes not retarded

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i really doubt gerry is scum because im town and im fairly sure scum are just doing what scum do best, which is sit back and do this:

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gerry = town

transcend wouldnt bother fakeclaiming liek that as scum unless he just really, really wanted me dead and couldn't NK me which makes no sense since ive been bored af and barely contributing, no ones gonna protect me tonight. trans is town, gerry is town

sesq is still scum and so is drealmerz, sesq keeps bouncing around my wagon like a huge scumlord and i dont buy the fake 'oh hehe im unsure of myself thats JUST HOW I DO IT OK GUYZZZ' and drealmerz is LITERALLY. SO. FKN. SCUM.

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LUL commuter is a joke dude, im 1-shot BP

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WHY ARE U FULLCLAIMING

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did u rly think i was srs about 97-shot PR?

i guess this game might go for 97 phases, but i somehow doubt it

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u realise even in matrix6 for Newbies, JK + 1-shot BP is a combo in the game?

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anyway since ur town, if ur not gonna lynch drealmerz or Sesq, then who are we lynching?

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feel free to look at all my games currently where im basically zero motivation and we're also still like a week from deadline. i dont bother setting V/LA but im working shitloads atm and legit am tired af every single night i come home.

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lol whatever, i dont rly expect someone to be nice to their top scumread even if the read is for reasons i have nfi why other than the fact im low activity and playing unlike my 'town meta' - but im also doing way more shit irl atm than just 1 week ago so i cant rly control that

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anyway gerry is town
transcend is town
uzi is town, if he was scum he wouldnt have unvoted tbh - not when a claimed JK is rearing for a lynch

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uhhh lynch rb ppl, geezuz

you don't claim BP like that as town and you certainly don't play like rb has played if you're town rb and if transcend is JK I don't think this is an columnA matrix setup even if there are some of the same roles

BP doesn't claim BP, omg kill him wtf

BP often claims BP lol, so do roles like commuter

if ur echoing my sentiment from NY 198 where i said that about shadow_step's claim, i was just making up bullshit because i had a guilty on him. the optimal play IS to claim BP/Commuter if ur commuter/BP and not to fakeclaim and risk CC's. town doesnt need to fakeclaim ever.

i made up bullshit about shadow's claim purely because i KNEW he was scum but i didn't wanna claim as a PR yet on that day phase.

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btw the most appropriate claim for town BP at that point is doc who can self-target

stops the lynch and draws the NK WIFOM choice for scum

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lmao lynch this shade-throwing pos

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pls*

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btw the most appropriate claim for town BP at that point is doc who can self-target

stops the lynch and draws the NK WIFOM choice for scum

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yer claim doc who can self target and get obviously CC'd by any other protective role AKA what transcend just did. a lot of scumteams will shoot ur vest anyway to remove confirmed townie later or just for wifom around no kill/vest shot

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also I'm pretty sure it's not considered Normal to have a self-targeting Doctor on MS so...yea

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if i were scum and i wanted to convince you i woulda claimed some weird shit like neighborizer or something with a night power that makes u wanna play on the downlow, not 1-shot BP

if i wanted to rolefish i woulda just outright claimed doc/cop/jk because they have very clear CC's. i claimed my actual role because i dont lie about claims as town and i DIDNT want anyone to prematurely CC me

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pffff

you understand that it'd be completely silly and naive of me to believe that? I can think it might be true (I don't), but regardless a smart player doesn't just trust in that and let you live gutting us for the rest of the game with no consequence, right?

I mean, tell me what you'd do in this instance

you'd buy the BP claim and back off?

ive said it many times before but i never lynch a day1 PR claim because if they're scum they're already dead later on and if they're a town PR well u dun goofed

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

"no one claims BP"

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rb is a good scum and i think he can weasel his way out of this imo

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but if im good scum why am i at l-1 on d1?

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ive literally played a game where scum shot the vest and the 1-shot BP claimed 1-shot BP. maybe that game is way outside the norm but afaik that's just normal play. like 4 ppl in that game as well all said shooting the vest is the correct play as well so idek anymore

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just lynch sesq or drealmerz and be rewarded with the euphoric feeling of seeing scum flip on day1

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all 4 were town

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ive literally played a game where scum shot the vest and the 1-shot BP claimed 1-shot BP. maybe that game is way outside the norm but afaik that's just normal play. like 4 ppl in that game as well all said shooting the vest is the correct play as well so idek anymore

it may have been in that game given the things

I'm not discounting that scum will never intentionally shoot the BP, but, it's not the standard move, to waste the kill

4 ppl, how many ppl in the game? how many of those 4 were scum?

as i understand it ur basically getting to kill off a confirmed townie because the 1-shot BP isnt gonna get lynched otherwise

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and/or you're wifoming the shit out of the town

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and since in majority of setups it just means you end up at Mylo instead of Lylo, there's no huge disadvantage for scum

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why be playing like you did?

ALL DAY, rb, ALL DAY

? you know just because i dont set a fucking VLA doesnt mean irl shit doesnt happen, i think ive explained this multiple times now and its such a piece of shit move to attack that as a means to try get me lynched

this is why drealmerz is obvscum, fuck me dead. transcend stop confbiasing just because im playing outside of my 'town meta' plsty

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like tbh i used to think shooting vest was dum but then it made sense when i thinked about it, because 1 wasted kill isnt really anything. it actually improves the scum chances on day2 OVER a mislynch because the game is still gonna have 1 extra player. statistically it makes the scum less likely to get lynched early on in the game and more time to confuse/wifom the town

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yes its anti-town to be busy irl

fuck off lmao

and im actually ignoring my gf who im supposed to be picking up from the train station rn to play - there's also an entire fucking week of deadline so gtfo with the 'u need to sub out' crap. a sub out woulda just made whoever replaced in get lynched anyway.

anyway not gonna continue arguing with someone who's either scum or just being a fuck.

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barely any time but:

@drealmerz if its not my lack of activity thats anti town then what is?

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What of Drealm's don't you trust right now? His push on rb?

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can you show us any prior games where you are were 1-shot BP and also completely useless to town day1?
cuz thats my problem with this claim

Have never played 1-shot BP before. Only experience with it was someone claiming it Day1 and I've always played under assumption that town shouldn't lie about stuff even if for a perceived benefit in short term because it's just long term bad.

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Still waiting for drealmerz to explain how im being anti-town apart from low activity cos hes dodged the question like 3 times now

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convenient

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HULLO TITUZ

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willing to sheep titus

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Rask + Sesq OP scum