Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[CloudKicker]

Seriously i would heavily prefer a creature/rask lynch but id be down on hoop since rest of town blocks seems to be in favor, i wouldnt if we only had 1 ml tho

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: creature

[Creature]

{me, goodmorning, Hoopla, MariaR}

[Creature]

Do you know what's it?

[Hoopla]

Eh, it seems the chips are falling my way and I will be a pretty heavily suspected candidate no matter if someone else is lynched today, so I accept my unfortunate fate.

Waking up today, I had the idea that the likeliest team was goodmorning/Creature. I agree with BV that Rask's mania during the last couple of days has been quite town and I might just be paranoid. If he's scum he's playing very well -- really, whoever is scum is playing well and I'm still unsure about the team. I still don't find Rask's meta read of Creature convincing and I think him being wrong about me today should show that his confidence in Creature doesn't mean it's right given he's equally confident about me being scum (and wrong).

I'll answer any questions while I'm here, but I don't think my reads will provide much more insight into who the team. I will say the town should follow and trust BV more, and I hope Cloud protects our masons well tonight!

[MariaR]

VOTE: Creature
I thought rask had a report on creature but now that that's cleared up I want this lynched.

[CloudKicker]

@ Mariar why not rask ? so i wasnt alone that felt like she softed something, what do you think of the fake soft ?

[CloudKicker]

Eh, it seems the chips are falling my way and I will be a pretty heavily suspected candidate no matter if someone else is lynched today, so I accept my unfortunate fate.

Waking up today, I had the idea that the likeliest team was goodmorning/Creature. I agree with BV that Rask's mania during the last couple of days has been quite town and I might just be paranoid. If he's scum he's playing very well -- really, whoever is scum is playing well and I'm still unsure about the team. I still don't find Rask's meta read of Creature convincing and I think him being wrong about me today should show that his confidence in Creature doesn't mean it's right given he's equally confident about me being scum (and wrong).

I'll answer any questions while I'm here, but I don't think my reads will provide much more insight into who the team. I will say the town should follow and trust BV more, and I hope Cloud protects our masons well tonight!

Will do my best, im assuming you prefer creat over rask ?

[MariaR]

@ Mariar why not rask ? so i wasnt alone that felt like she softed something, what do you think of the fake soft ?

I don't think it was a soft more so we just took it wrong and it was a really strong read.

[goodmorning]

A. 17 pages whyyyy
B. why am i not dead yet? i was supposed to be lynched, remember?????

Hey maria!

Why does scum-BV risk antagonising me right after you/gm and sort-of-cloud push him?
What benefit does that give over just lynching GM if gm was actually town?

WK points for when I do get lynched like I asked??

The problem is even if you're town your reads are so different to mine your continued existence furthers scum agenda.

Rask 100% confirmed Town by this. No way Scum says something so dumb as "I'm completely right and you're completely wrong so you can sit and whistle."

She replaced into that game around mid-late d1, made a catchup, fluffed around the wagon similar to here d1 and was insta lynched on start of d2.
The game wasn't divided into 2 main camps and she didn't even get that far in so it's not really even comparable (and even then what do you make of that point? she didn't say apples/oranges in that game so it's a towntell?).

yo rask do you untownread creature yet?

@BV's matrix of possible scumpairs: I frequently null/slight Town read my scumpartners. Harddefending is not something I typically do.

I get that this is selfmeta but eh.

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On to 108.

[goodmorning]

I keep forgetting Jaack is playing.

idk how to feel about that.

As I relearn every game, being a dick isn't scum indicative. If anything a trend to the opposite...

I find that I tend to act more like a dick when I'm Scum.
But I think there's something to the idea that Scum want to smooth things over, not ruffle feathers.

It's not "ehhh" GM hoopla is LITERALLY the case if you're the town in that trifecta.

EVER THINK YOU COULD BE WRONG FOR ONCE RASK???????

thx maria

Maria if you're town, I'm town, AND gm is town why has it been so ridiculously hard to push or wagon her this game?

Because Town people who TR me and/or Scum people who want me to continue to exist in this game so people keep trying to lynch me have been resisting it?

(Literally it's just a conspiracy to keep your confbias alive and well.)

when in rome

silly rask, this isn't road to rome

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I dearly want Hoopla to be Town.

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That's 112.

[goodmorning]

yowza, it's happening!!!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Creature

Do we have a fifth willing to vote? If so, lets get a claim.

Me! Hope he's still at L-1 in 7 pages or so!

If you dolts lynch creature I'm not saying a word tomorrow.

No offense, but nobody is as accurate at meta reads as you think you are. He has a good chance of flipping scum.

I was once, but only when reading Wisdom.

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Mason BV means it's Creature and one of Hoopla/Jaack, I guess?

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I didn't even know 3 masons could be a thing.

You can have INFINITE MASONS

(I think there are a couple Open setups based on 3-4 Masons.)

We don't need to hammer just gotta wait for GM to come for any counter claim buddle talk etc

would i have volunteered as tribute if i had a pr maria pls

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on to 118

[goodmorning]

The apples and oranges statement was a good statement because it was shockingly true

It's laughable that you of all people are casting doubt about the direction and leadership of our fine and honorable town captain, when your reads have been in the toilet all game.

yeah ok hoopla is scum

I feel like Hoopla is trolling at this point.

But regardless, the suspicion of me was from people that weren't on the Sotty7 lynch apparently thinking I bussed, blaming me for it is just silly. I'm not even sure who scum is anymore. I'll come back with a fresh head tomorrow. Hopefully GM has checked in by then. Please don't end the day until this happens and I get a chance to talk to GM about her reads and stuff. Then we'll see.

this is my last catchup post so throw me your Qs.

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Summary:
Not lynching: masons, rask, maria
Lynching: anyone else i guess

[BlackVoid]

You moved on pretty quickly after figuring out I was a Mason. That's a lot less genuine reaction than MariaR's who just had her mind blown. Suspecting Jaack but not Rask is a real stretch. Having MariaR as a townread and Jaack as a suspect is absurd. So, you'd lynch Hoopla, Creature, Jaack and Cloud?

I had questions but everything about that catchup is just oozing scum I don't even know where to start.

[BlackVoid]

But okay, here are questions: how did you get to this strong townread on MariaR? It feels like you didn't even register what happened D2 with the Sotty7 lynch. Because to come into D3 scumreading me and townreading MariaR is something that I find very hard to believe.

By the way, since everyone except the Masons have claimed VT, Cloud is as good as confirmed town. I doubt that there would be just three masons and no other power role.

[goodmorning]

If you're a Mason you're a Mason, no point getting all silly about it.

Well Maria is Town ok. Consistent 'omg let him catch up' could be Scum faking to look Town but I think Scum isn't that irritating about it.

maria is totally town btw

not sure if i've said that already but it's true

(new post note: this was RE: gamesolving feels in 1147-8)

@GM, why MariaR town? What happened to your Sotty7 scumread from D1?

Besides what I said in 694, I liked the tone of her rant @ you in 1171.

Plus Maria's reading a similar game to the one I'm reading, which helps.

Forgot Cloud! Cloud is also in Not lynching.

[Hoopla]

tbh, I kinda agree with goodmorning that Jack should still be considered a suspect. There's been so much towntelling and manic energy within my scumpool that it has kept forcing me to reinvent me reads and flipflop to another scumteam within my pool, but nothing obvious has emerged. I don't really know why I haven't also been considering Jack - maybe because he's typically not here when the game is churning through the pages.

I feel like the main reason I'm clearing him is the unnecessary bus on Sotty, as he was the first vote down. I think given how how often we've seen wagons rise and fall, we actually can't assume that he necessarily thought it would go all the way, and if it did he'd look good anyway. He hasn't really towntelled other than that in any obvious behavioural way like all my other suspects, so I feel queasy clearing him also, but it's too late at this stage to do anything about, and I don't even know what the point is of bringing it up this late in the day.

I think BV should be careful in fully clearing him though.

By the way, since everyone except the Masons have claimed VT, Cloud is as good as confirmed town. I doubt that there would be just three masons and no other power role.

One of the two setups with three masons had no other town PR, so no, not confirmed based on setup spec. Prob-town based on play though!

[MariaR]

Question for anyone:
Do you think Scum have a tracker (for some reason) or Scoty just outted a nv with jaack

[goodmorning]

nv?

[Hoopla]

Question for anyone:
Do you think Scum have a tracker (for some reason) or Scoty just outted a nv with jaack

I think scum have a Role Cop/Vanilla Cop. Her target of Jack could either be:

- Scum Role Copped/Vanilla Copped Jack and knew he was VT and thus a safe "went-nowhere" claim
- Scum knew there were masons and Sotty took a gamble that there's probs only 1-2 other town PR's and took a punt on Jack being VT
- Sotty claimed the track on her buddy Jack who backed it up. That's a brave thing to do as scum, as linking yourself in a wifomy way like that is scary.

[MariaR]

Question for anyone:
Do you think Scum have a tracker (for some reason) or Scoty just outted a nv with jaack

I think scum have a Role Cop/Vanilla Cop. Her target of Jack could either be:

- Scum Role Copped/Vanilla Copped Jack and knew he was VT and thus a safe "went-nowhere" claim
- Scum knew there were masons and Sotty took a gamble that there's probs only 1-2 other town PR's and took a punt on Jack being VT
- Sotty claimed the track on her buddy Jack who backed it up. That's a brave thing to do as scum, as linking yourself in a wifomy way like that is scary.

I assume you think the first one is the most likely ye?

[MariaR]

Well in the game you linked there was a neo cop...hm

[BlackVoid]

@GM, just to be clear, you are still townreading MariaR because she told people to let GreyICE catchup and called me and Jaack scum when we pushed on Sotty7? You're kidding, right?

[Hoopla]

I assume you think the first one is the most likely ye?

50/30/20

probably something like that

[MariaR]

the let ___ catch up thing is NAI for me tbh
I'd like to think I'd say it as scum also as it's rude to attack the replacement right away imo