Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Firebringer]

i hope this is better than the that.

[SirCakez]

I thought about voting to draw/abandon the game. The mod will probably request all the players to vote for that. Scum won't want to draw because they're close to winning, so they won't vote. Pretty simple, we'll see who's refusing to vote for a draw and we'll lynch them (note that scum will probably only have one of them to refuse to vote per day).

This is what I want

VOTE: draw

[Skullduggery]

Okay, this bullshit has gone on long enough. I have made a change to Rule #18.

Before:

(18) Additional votes include VOTE: No Lynch to end the Day with no lynch (which will also require a majority) and VOTE: Draw to end the game in a draw (which will require 100% agreement from all living players).

After:

(18) Players may also VOTE: No Lynch to end the Day with no lynch (which will also require a majority).

Yeah, that's right. No more Draw votes.

I included this option in my rule set as a means of giving players a way to end the game in a mutually agreeable way when victory is unattainable or, at the very least, highly improbable. If the player list is whittled down to a point where the game is in a zugzwang state (that is, a situation where the best move is to make no move at all), then I'm not going to force anybody to perform an action when performing that action guarantees a loss for their faction. A Draw is better than a loss, after all.

This game is not in a zugzwang state. Not even close. It's Day 5 and there are 14 players remaining.

Voting for a draw is useful in some scenarios, but this is not one of them. It is

not

acceptable to vote for a draw as a means of catching Scum ("Let's all vote for a draw and lynch the people who object!"), nor is it acceptable to try to actively sabotage the game and end it prematurely simply because you don't want to play anymore or aren't having fun or whatever the case may be. The former is unethical and goes against the spirit of the game while the latter is just plain childish and selfish. Since a substantial portion of the player list has decided to abuse the draw-vote option, I am revoking that option altogether.

Furthermore, while a draw may be better than a loss, it is

not

better than a victory. Actively voting for a draw and encouraging other players to do so means that you are not attempting to secure a victory for your team. As such, players who actively attempt to sabotage the game by prematurely ending it in a draw are playing against their win condition.

For this reason, Creature, Firebringer, and Andrius are being force-replaced from this game for, among other things, continually playing against their respective win conditions through unethical use of the draw-vote function.

If you disagree with this decision, I'll be more than happy to talk about it privately once the game has ended. For the time being, please continue to play the game to the best of your abilities.

If you object on the grounds that the rules do not specifically mention that manipulating the draw-vote option is a punishable offense, my response is that it is impossible for me to list every single thing that a player can possibly do to incur punishment. There is a vast ocean of situations where common sense should prevail -- situations in which a lack of common sense is a punishable offense even if that one particular situation isn't specifically listed in the rules. This is one of those situations. Using unethical tactics to gain an advantage in the game is grounds for force-replacement.

As it may take a while to find replacements for three players simultaneously, I am locking the thread and will reopen it once three replacements have been obtained. All lost time will be refunded to the Day 5 deadline. I will notify all remaining players by PM when replacements have been found and the day can continue. If three replacements cannot be obtained within a reasonable amount of time (say, a week and a half), then these empty slots will be mod-killed and the game will continue.

If anybody wishes to replace out, please notify me immediately. Since the game is being paused anyway, we might as well take this opportunity to replace all the players who don't want to be here anymore.

Furthermore, since this has apparently become a serious point of contention for reasons that are beyond my cognitive abilities, I would like to reassure everyone that no, not every player in this game is aligned with the Town faction. That would be fucking stupid. I would never do such a thing since I care about my players more than that, and even if I did wish to run such a setup, no reviewer in their right mind would ever approve it. I will confirm that this game has at least two opposing factions that cannot win together.

Finally, since this is normally the place where a vote count would disprove it, the "day vig" from 6308 is not real.

Please remain patient while I search for replacements. Thank you.

[Skullduggery]

MathBlade replaces Creature. Welcome to the game, MathBlade!

Accountant replaces Firebringer. Welcome back to the game, Accountant!

Pine replaces Andrius. Welcome to the game, Pine!

I apologize for the delay, everyone. To compensate, Day 5 has been extended by 24 hours. The new deadline is posted in the vote count below. All "Draw" votes have been discarded.

[Skullduggery]

Day 5, Vote Count #3

Current Vote Count:

(0)

SirCakez

(0)

Giovanni il Pellegrino

(0)

Maxous

(0)

MathBlade

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Nahdia

(1)

Accountant -- Almost50

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(0)

BigYoshiFan

(1)

Narna -- Giovanni il Pellegrino

(2)

Almost50 -- Narna, BigYoshiFan

(1)

Pine -- Nahdia

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

Maxous, MathBlade, PeregrineV, Ankamius, massive, Pine, Not Chara, Accountant, SirCakez

With 14 votes available, it takes 8 votes to hammer.

Day 5 Will End on Wednesday, December 14th, at 10 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2016-12-14 22:00:00)

[Maxous]

that was quick

anyway

VOTE: Almost50

@narna

: target Giovanni 2nite

pls & thx

[Accountant]

Alright, fill me in. What should I know? Any claims? Who's scum and why?

(Also if any of you decide it would be incredibly hilarious to tell me that Firebringer claimed such-and-such I'll need a link before I can confirm or deny.)

[Accountant]

If the last 10 pages are any indication the last 200 probably aren't worth reading. Am I right or wrong?

[Maxous]

03 Giovanni il Pellegrino - even night weak-follower. claims a clear on me N2 and Narna N4
04 Maxous - roleblocker.
11 Nahdia* - Jailkeeper
14 Ankamius* - something with complex mechanics i think. can potentially kill?
18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro

that's all the official claims i can remember

Who's scum and why?

if you can figure this out we'll give you the MVP

i'm voting Almost cause he's been very unuseful and tunneled on town-Titus

[Maxous]

If the last 10 pages are any indication the last 200 probably aren't worth reading. Am I right or wrong?

gonna be real,not a whole pile is worth it.

read the start of Day 3 - that's prolly the most important part

[MathBlade]

Gut read whileni can't sleep. SirCakez Narna Massive scum.

Will explain after work tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

03 Giovanni il Pellegrino - even night weak-follower. claims a clear on me N2 and Narna N4
04 Maxous - roleblocker.
11 Nahdia* - Jailkeeper
14 Ankamius* - something with complex mechanics i think. can potentially kill?
18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro

that's all the official claims i can remember

Who's scum and why?

if you can figure this out we'll give you the MVP

i'm voting Almost cause he's been very unuseful and tunneled on town-Titus

Nadhia* Fuck Autocorrect

I think Narna is town.

[Not Chara]

Shiro the rolecop said Cakez was likely town.
Narna scum requires Giovanni scum, he claimed a Weak clear on Narna.

pedit: Nahdia is the correct spelling, and so you've seen the claims, good.

[MathBlade]

Shiro the rolecop said Cakez was likely town.
Narna scum requires Giovanni scum, he claimed a Weak clear on Narna.

pedit: Nahdia is the correct spelling, and so you've seen the claims, good.

No it doesn't. It requires Giovanni busdriven or Giovanni liar or some kind of other effect.

This game is bastard we have yet to see the bastard components therefore we must focus less on roles and more on reads.

[Not Chara]

Giovanni lying means Giovanni scum. busdriven Giovanni requires a busdriver no one has seen any evidence of.
all investigatives so far have their results returned properly with names, and while this game is bastard due to certain mechanics i very much doubt we would be being purposely mislead with how night results are worded, by an experienced mod who just made the long post above.

aside from that, i just wanted to make sure you had the investigations and such taken into account.

[MathBlade]

Giovanni lying means Giovanni scum. busdriven Giovanni requires a busdriver no one has seen any evidence of.
all investigatives so far have their results returned properly with names, and while this game is bastard due to certain mechanics i very much doubt we would be being purposely mislead with how night results are worded, by an experienced mod who just made the long post above.

aside from that, i just wanted to make sure you had the investigations and such taken into account.

Let's assume what you say is true.

Then what is bastard about this game?

[MathBlade]

It looks like this game is specifically designed to avoid setup spec and brutally penalize people who try to play it as a puzzle rather than mafia.

Giovanni voting Narna now is of interest to me however.

Ank and Almost 50 go on my WTF list FYI

[Not Chara]

i've no idea.

(35) Although this is a bastard game, I can promise a few things:
I will never intentionally mislead you or flat-out lie to you about anything.
If you ask me a question, I will answer you truthfully.
All of the information contained in your role PM is trustworthy. Your role functions as described.

i'm simply going by the first post. any more is unsupported setup speculation, such as my belief that Frisk can switch alignments, or something to that nature.

pedit: Giovanni voting Narna and saying such things as "if Narna flips scum", are what make me think both being scum is a good possibility. that and Giovanni only getting a pass because of his Weak claim.

[MathBlade]

I will keep it in mind as I go further on in my analysis but I don't see why Narna as scum would fake a guilty. An innocent sure as when I was scum in 1800 we had a buddy fake an innocent.

However Narna's guilty and saying they had a guilty more than likely implies that Narna probably targeted a different slot (guessing Ank based on how his play changed).

Faking a guilty is dumb for scum when behind and even dumber when they are rampaging like this. I don't see scum faking a guilty here especially when they could have just bussed Narna.

[MathBlade]

Give out a real innocent*

[Not Chara]

'when they could have just bussed Narna'. if Narna is scum, he's already caught, so him faking a guilty to get a townie lynched (which worked, i might add) is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

[MathBlade]

'when they could have just bussed Narna'. if Narna is scum, he's already caught, so him faking a guilty to get a townie lynched (which worked, i might add) is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

No. Narna was a wagon just like before. Narna was one shot governed by town. If Narna had a guilty and was looking to save their ass why not do it then?

Faking the guilty on Shiro was even more dumb because Shiro was a claimed Miller. I would have ignored the guilty as town derp on Narna's part and see if Shiro deserved the votes he had.

If Narna is scum though then SirCakez is almost conf scum levels of bad for the attempted bus.

[MathBlade]

Like no scum have been lynched so far. So assuming dumb scum is unlikely.

I am going to try to sleep again good night.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: narna
He still has yet to offer an explanation for how his "guilty" worked considering shiro was town
And that overrules a weak clear imo

[Giovanni il Pellegrino]

UNVOTE:

No more Narna wagon now.

pedit: Giovanni voting Narna and saying such things as "if Narna flips scum", are what make me think both being scum is a good possibility. that and Giovanni only getting a pass because of his Weak claim.

When did I say that? On 6322 I actually explained my vote as best as I could. I don't doubt Narna is Town.

If you are refering to 6234, then you took it out of context. The "If narna flips scum" line was not me doubting Narna's alignment. It was a response to Andrius adamantly believing that Narna is scum.