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Post Post #50 (isolation #0) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:52 pm

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In post 3, FrankJaeger wrote:VT here.
Scum found in Wisdom.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #1) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:58 pm

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In post 10, Dunnstral wrote:I'm red
Sounds legitimate mate!
In post 16, Secret Agent Jin wrote:So Dunn and ArcAngel are in my group. I have played with Dunn, very good player, but i am not familiar with Arc. How are you two?
Buddying up already!?
In post 17, Gamma Emerald wrote:Day doesn't end until all groups lynch.
So you can hammer and not fully lynch.
Lets double check this with MOD
MOD - Can you confirm on this please? Ty :]

In post 26, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 5, lane0168 wrote:If guilty is town great, if he's scum well, I owe him one.
can I save this favor for a later game where I'm scum? cause I'm town in this one
Guilty seems not so guilty.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #2) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:42 am

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In post 53, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 50, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 3, FrankJaeger wrote:VT here.
Scum found in Wisdom.
You got a scum read off of two words?
What's the point of declaring that he is VT?? At this time, how doesn't it help to move forward the game?

Is this your attempt to twist my statements?
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Post Post #55 (isolation #3) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:52 am

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In post 52, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
Buddying up already!?
No not really, just saying i have played with Dunn, he plays well and I like that you come out swinging. These are just my observations, nothing to do with buddying. Anyways, have you played triplicate mafia before? This is a pretty unique setup for me and i like it. It puts a fresh spin on the game.
I have never played this setup but I played other setups that are much different and bastard than this.
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Post Post #62 (isolation #4) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:26 am

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In post 56, lane0168 wrote:"VT here" - frank
"ahh scum!!" arc
"I'm town" - guilty
"must be town" - arc

ARc, want to explain the difference?
Since you can't see. Here you go..

In general mafia, VT claim is role declaration and usually scum does it early game for hindrance
I am town declaration is usually comes from town motive and scum is always afraid do it.

Its just a hunch to point fingers. that's the difference. It doesn't confirm anything, if i am sure i would ask for votes, since i didn't and you could relate my motive.
In post 57, lane0168 wrote:
In post 54, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 53, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 50, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 3, FrankJaeger wrote:VT here.
Scum found in Wisdom.
You got a scum read off of two words?
What's the point of declaring that he is VT?? At this time, how doesn't it help to move forward the game?

Is this your attempt to twist my statements?
Woah, you wrote 2 words, and give a scum read. Someone asks about exactly what you did, and you accuse them of twisting your words? How exactly is that twisting your words? It came exactly from your post with no additions or subtractions. Why do defensive? It was a simple question that brought you immediately on the attack. Why?
I already justified my motive clearly and mafia would always try to deceive town statements to gain brownie points in town. So you're indicating that being defensive is not something that a townie should do?
In post 58, lane0168 wrote:@arc, also mods have enough to do without answering rules related questions that are found in the rules and were quoted in thread. Please look for the answers before asking the mod.
It's always nice to get confirmation directly from MOD. It clears doubts for everyone. And this isn't point for discussion. A MOD doesn't require you to defend him, He has authority not to answer if the question is not legitimate.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #5) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:57 am

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In post 63, lane0168 wrote:@arc you didn't justify your motive to secret before he asked you a simple question. You got defensive over zero threat. That shows your paranoid. Explain how he was in any way twisting your words.

I say it is your perception. I see my actions clear. I explained my reasons and i expected players who play mafia to see that VT claim is not usual and someone questioning my observations may indicate that either unaware of the site meta or being too casual or just mafia and are trying to twist things.

I just called it to test his motive. And you think I am being paranoid indicates your ability to see things negatively.
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Post Post #71 (isolation #6) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:29 am

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In post 66, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 54, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 53, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 50, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 3, FrankJaeger wrote:VT here.
Scum found in Wisdom.
You got a scum read off of two words?
What's the point of declaring that he is VT?? At this time, how doesn't it help to move forward the game?

Is this your attempt to twist my statements?
I truthfully have no intentions on twisting your words. My questioning of your statement was intended to get you to explain which you did. I agree that in some ways it is suspicious to claim right away. I really wasnt trying to get you to stumble or make your words sound bad.
I was trying to test your motive and before i could justify or gain information someone else think i am being defensive. At this moment, i am not sure who is scum and lack of participation from other groups kind of leading me to think that scum may lurking to avoid the attention.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #7) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:43 am

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Is scum lurking in Courage and Wisdom?

I need people to speak up...this is game is stalling.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:08 am

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In post 148, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 147, Dunnstral wrote:UNVOTE:
Ok that jump-on was pretty scummy considering you were talking about how she was town

Unvoting because we're at l-1 or whatever and I want to let arc talk and see if saj is scum after all
After you said to look at her posts i ISO'd her and she has a couple posts toward me that make it seem like i am scummy, namely "are you trying to twist my words" and accusing me of buddying. After that she jumps on lane's case about ruining her reaction test and continues to write messages about him. To tell you the truth, i would have never been suspicious of Arc if it wasnt for you asking me to review her posts and voting her. You know i townread her and even said that her posts looked innocent to me. If you had not made me question my read and made me second guess myself then i would have never voted her. Is this your way of making me look suspicious and scummy? Is this how you are going to convince Arc to vote me? Are you town? You know i am newer and inexperienced so you tricked me and made me trust your word that there was something i wasnt catching within Arc's posts. You know i am bad at reading players since i am new to this site and you played me. I am just upset at you for doing that to me, i thought you are suppose to help new players. Ill be back after awhile when i am cooled down.

@Arc I am sorry i voted you, i townread you and he played me into changing my mind. I thought Power group was the all-town group but i dont know anymore about Dunn.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dunn
In post 147, Dunnstral wrote:UNVOTE:
Ok that jump-on was pretty scummy considering you were talking about how she was town

Unvoting because we're at l-1 or whatever and I want to let arc talk and see if saj is scum after all
In post 145, Secret Agent Jin wrote:If you look at Arc's posts throughout the game they look like she is suspicious of a few people and trying to pin down scum quickly which is townleaning. When you ISO her though and those posts are all in a row, she looks like she is fairly scummy considering she pointed at multiple people in just 8 posts. She looks too eager to me. I mean, no matter the outcome we HAVE to decide on three lynches.

VOTE: ArcAngel
In post 143, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 129, Secret Agent Jin wrote:So, seeing as we both townread Arc, what do you think about me putting my vote on you and letting Arc decide between us since your vote is already on me?

Why would you ask me


VOTE: ArcAngel9

I've changed my mind here though so you should take a second look as well

What the hell is this? :o :o You both better have some serious explanation for this. If there is something in what i said makes so sense or look suspicious, you should ask me first? Seriously, I am not understanding what is that you guys are confused about me. Wont you guys let me know justify myself for your accusations? I am not scum reading either of you nor even i town read. So, can we wait and talk a bit and also read others as well. I see some oppurtunist pushes on wagon from someone who is not in our group. I would be questioning them on that and would love to hear their thoughts.

So calm down both of you!!! :mad:
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Post Post #173 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:31 am

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In post 86, HowardRoark wrote:@Dunnstral: ISO ArcAngel9 and lane0168: 50, 51, 56, ...
What supposed to mean? Ask me what i did looked suspicious to you. Could you please frame it in a sentence?
In post 88, lane0168 wrote:I'd vote arc too. I really don't like arc "testing the motive" by basically incriminating SAJ. There was no reason to go about it that way unless you're trying to subtly get people looking that way.
Since when testing someone motive is scum reason? Town ask questions and scum avoid being questions, Isn't that trying to understand someone's motive means asking them questions for right reasons?

In post 98, FrankJaeger wrote:
In post 62, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In general mafia, VT claim is role declaration and usually scum does it early game for hindrance
I am town declaration is usually comes from town motive and scum is always afraid do it.
But in this game, town and VT are the same...
No town and VT are not same. Town indicates alignment and VT is a role claim, they are different. VT claim on early game is not very helpful to game. And i have seen that VT claims are even get PL'ed according to this site meta
In post 79, HowardRoark wrote:UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald
Apparently only a few of us actually read the rules. :(
VOTE: FrankJaeger
Inaccurate and contradictory quick hammer reasoning.
It bothers me that Gamma Emerald is being overly Hubristic (43). Maybe I just feel dissed.

I agree with the case against ArcAngel9. If not locked into groups today, that would be my current vote.

Dunnstral's play is crap and is on my radar also.
What is that case against me that you agree? I really want to know what actions of mine that persuaded you to seem as scum. this is interesting. Are you parking your options to go against me on day 2?
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Post Post #176 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:49 am

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Call it as my gut or a hunch i dont think there is scum in my group. Hence, No vote from me. (With the way Dunnstral and Secret Agent Jin cross fired with their votes on me)

I am going to see Courage and Wisdom players post carefully, because i am convinced that the both scum is in there.
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Post Post #179 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:53 am

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In post 177, lane0168 wrote:There's nothing wrong with questioning someone's motives. Nobody said that. You're not listening. It's the way you did it that's scummy.

Also youre not listening to Howard either, IN THIS GAME VT and Townie is the same thing. Everyone is town or scum. At least I haven't seen anything that indicates there are power roles. Have you?
the way i do things depend on the way i perceive them. You may be correct on what you say but the context i was referring to the VT claim is different. I was questioning the motive. A townie always want to scream Town dont want to say they are VT. I was pointing to the motive behind the statement which of course he justified himself and i wanted to test his reaction on that. Too bad you dont see it the way i see it.
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Post Post #190 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:34 am

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Would you vote Howard if you were in his group Secret?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #13) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:46 am

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In post 191, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 190, ArcAngel9 wrote:Would you vote Howard if you were in his group Secret?
As of right now, if i was in Wisdom, i would vote Frank

Umm... But you opinion is that one of them is scum. So how are you differentiating Frank over Howard? I like to hear your thoughts on this.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #14) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:19 pm

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Damn Prod already. I was enjoying the weekend. Will recap my thoughts today.
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Post Post #297 (isolation #15) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:34 pm

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In post 295, HowardRoark wrote:@ArcAngel9: You have pushed Secret Agent Jin to rethink his stance on FrankJaeger versus me and didn't question Dunnstral who was already sided with FrankJaeger, yet haven't provided your own thoughts other than the initial FrankJaeger VT claim = scum. Why do you feel that you are in the all town group?
Because i wanted to hear his thoughts about you especially when he choose Frank over you to lynch if one of you're scum.


I didn't question Dunnstral because, I think you're scum in your team.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:32 am

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In post 311, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
Can we get a poke on GuiltyLion?


What do you say we do for our group Dunn? Right now, from my PoV, i can vote you or Arc. You have been both more active and more townlike in your posts but Arc is still semi-active (last post 21 or so hours ago) and she doesnt strike me as scum. I rather keep the active players alive but its up to you. You are looking at me and Arc, we have to lynch someone today.

I don't really think there is scum in this group especially after that reaction test you guys pulled off. I am going with no-lynch for today. Whats your thoughts? I am active and reading the game too, just don't have too much to add at this moment.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #17) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:34 am

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In post 337, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Arc suggested a NL but that will lead to mafia choosing so in my eyes we have to choose someone. I dont like that Arc suggested a NL with the mafia rule being in effect. This triplicate setup is throwing me for a loop.

VOTE: Arc

what? that's no logic. why would i say No lynch if i am scum. Won't I rather choose to have one of you get lynched instead?

i only said that no lynch because i don't think either of you in my team is scum. Don't you forget the 33.333% possibility of everyone in one of the group being town.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #18) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:59 am

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In post 344, qubixes wrote:@Arc: That is exactly what you're able to do as scum if you no-lynch... As mafia you would get to choose who dies of the three of you.
Exactly. I am seeing this my perspective.

Did you see the way Jin & Dunn votes on me and the way they testing each other looks like something only a townie could do it. I am town and I can say that to myself for sure. I read the rules twice to ensure that i understand the game. I am saying no lynch because i believe there is no scum in my team.
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Post Post #346 (isolation #19) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:00 am

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Think about this, If I am scum. would i suggest something this risky?
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Post Post #348 (isolation #20) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:10 am

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In post 347, qubixes wrote:What is the benefit of doing a no-lynch as town though? You get 1 extra NK analysis opportunity basically, but if you assume this is a plus, scum can randomize it and you don't get the benefit anymore. So it's only any good if scum are making a bad NK.

You have to be really very sure (95%+) that you are in the no scum group to even consider it, because it hurts a lot if you are wrong. I think Dunn can very well behave the way he did with the testing each other out. He tried to get town cred for it by saying he wouldn't do it as scum. That in itself is a pretty big red flag for me. Do you think scum!Dunn couldn't behave that way?

I see your point. If i am forced to see the scum between Jin & Dun. I think it's more likely Dun who may be scum in the group.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #21) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:58 am

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In post 351, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 339, qubixes wrote:@SAJ: You know you're putting
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people at L-1, not just Arc...
I was putting three people at L-1, i didnt realize that the other two groups had voted a person, i thought only the frank/howard group had. Also, i can see the reasoning behind Town!Arc. I am willing to follow what she says but my understanding is that if we no lynch then it doesnt matter if our group is 100% town, the mafia still chooses someone to die. Ill leave it up to Arc, no lynch or Dunn?

UNVOTE:

Oh you're right. I was in an assumption that Mafia can only kill within their own groups. So you're saying if all our team is town, Mafia can still kill one of us?

If that's the case, I would like to lynch Dun.
3. If a group does NOT pick a player to lynch by the deadline, the Mafia will choose who within that group is to be lynched.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:52 am

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So i think its only our group who have to decide before the deadline.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #23) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:17 am

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Umm.. I find Gamma's argument on Dun is reasonable

Jin - are you up for Dun's lynch?
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Post Post #471 (isolation #24) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:02 am

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In post 456, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 454, ArcAngel9 wrote:Jin - are you up for Dun's lynch?
Yeah, i voted gim because i wont vote you and i wont self vote so by that logic the only option left is my vote on Dunn.
there is no way you can be scum in my dictionary, especially after reading your last post.

If there is scum in our group, It has to be Dun.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:02 am

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23 hours left...



Any thoughts anyone else?
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Post Post #521 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:14 pm

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In post 517, Dunnstral wrote:Arc's input doesn't matter, either you switch to her or you don't and I get lynched

No you're wrong. It does matter because i am town.


VOTE: Dunnstral
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Post Post #522 (isolation #27) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:15 pm

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Post Post #528 (isolation #28) » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:17 pm

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Wow.. Very well played scum so far.

So the last two scum has to be between Howard, Gamma & Guilty. I knew for sure there was no scum in my team. Jin is still town to me.
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Post Post #549 (isolation #29) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:17 pm

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Howard is scum
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Post Post #550 (isolation #30) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:18 pm

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In post 546, Gamma Emerald wrote:Howard was likely buddying me too. That's an easy comment to fake as scum, in fact IVE SEEN scum fake it.
I second you and all he wanted is sheep you
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Post Post #553 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:59 pm

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Mod I am v/LA u til 8th DEC.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #32) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:17 am

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I ll be back from my vacation tomorrow. I ll share my thoughts tomorrow.
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Post Post #579 (isolation #33) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:09 pm

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LOL. Isn't everyone at the edge because the game is at lylo.

Howard is our scum guys. Lets go.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:28 am

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In post 583, HowardRoark wrote:Secret Agent Jin is looking like a reasonable lynch to me.

This is scum!!!!!!
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Post Post #598 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:26 am

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Lets end this. We got scum.

VOTE: Howard
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Post Post #602 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:39 am

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WTH!!!!

Wp Scum. I didn't even doubt Jin for a sec.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:47 am

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I was blinded too.
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