Mini 1860 - Game Over!

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VOTE: Vijarada
Your name sounds like the name of a little blue pill.

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VOTE: Gamma
This time don't lynch pinger when you literally GOT PINGED and forgot about it

I DIDN'T FORGET ABOUT IT MY PHONE WOULDN'T LET ME POST

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VOTE: Gamma

Your avi change is unacceptable. Lol. Btw, Call me Keyen.

I'm just stuck with it for one more day mkay?
Although it is nice...

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Lannister...

Is that from GoT? Started watching it few weeks ago...

Yes it is. You should vote him, IIRC Tywin is a bad guy.

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VOTE: JarJarDrinks for taking a character that ruined a movie and making a bad pun out of it

Anakin ruined TPM way more than Jar Jar did.

...and it's a pretty good pun.

Revenge of the Sith was much worse than Phantom Menace in terms of character development and acting

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whee rvs wagons

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JJD feels like town. Gear too.

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Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

VOTE: Gerryoat

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Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

VOTE: Gerryoat

This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?

I didn't know that
Could you point it out?

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Okay that makes sense
UNVOTE:

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For future reference, this is why you don't timewarp.

Huh?

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Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

VOTE: Gerryoat

This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?

@Everyone: Remember when I said that meta sucks and gave reasons why? Look at this guy ^. This is a guy that knows his meta and so uses it as a defense. He clearly thought this through beforehand.

Do we all know why meta sucks now? It allows crap like this to happen.

Yes but this is a minor piece of meta
It's just "I do this all the time what are you talking about"

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What? Can you point out where Lil is backing down?

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Hm. Not a strong scumread but it's better than what I've currently got.
VOTE: Lil Uzi

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if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

If key flips town?

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@Rask: probably would keep an eye on you.
However JJD seemed to try to pocket you at one point so I'll reread him

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Actually JJD seems pretty scummy upon ISO
VOTE: JarJarDrinks

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Why aren't you taking a stance on the keyen wagon?

I think it's not a good one
Keyen is just one of those players who scum have an easy time pushing, I know because I've done it before.

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VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

It was an arbitrary choice between last on the Keyen wagon and PsychoticDave for his assessment of the situation.

UNVOTE:

I actually like this answer.

This looks like shoddy distancing

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So do you think gear's scum too or?

Yes.

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Hooray for OMGUS
You have 5 minutes

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Gamma did you come to that conclusion in the 3 minutes of ISOing you had?

I'm a fast reader buddy.

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JJD feels like town. Gear too.

This post is LITERALLY ON THE SAME PAGE as those 2 quotes that he just said he's scumreading me for.

OK, reads change

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JJD feels like town. Gear too.

This post is LITERALLY ON THE SAME PAGE as those 2 quotes that he just said he's scumreading me for.

OK, reads change

lol. Reads change based on things that happen. You're trying to say that you changed your read based on something that happened BEFORE you made your initial read?

My earlier reads were half assed

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My earlier reads were half assed

Is this really ur defense?

Yeah
I just threw out some reads based on a few seconds of analysis
This is why I like giving reads at my own pace, it lets me form actually solid reads

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My earlier reads were half assed

Is this really ur defense?

It's Gamma.

I buy it.

Are you an alt?

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Trying to form reads from a combined ISO
ssbm looks town
keyen town
Rask town

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Yo stop breaking the quote tags

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I checked: part of the URL is missing it seems.

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Also grey looks like an alt of someone very experienced (who I may or may not know) and sounds confident but isn't necessarily having the equivalent level of impact.

I commented on this: I've never played with him so he's certainly an alt since he seems to know my play style.

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Didn't someone say earlier that -Grey- is GreyIce's alt?

What?

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Why is there a greyice alt in this game.

This guy

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I've played with him before too, doesn't change the fact he feels scummy here regardless

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I've played with him before too, doesn't change the fact he feels scummy here regardless

Distancing judgement this earlygame too is weak especially when you haven't done the due diligence on it either. If you think someone is scum for what looks like "shoddy distancing" you do the follow up and read the other person (gear) too in a more comprehensive way. You're not even looking to see more information from him it seems, but decided what you did incredibly fast and easily.

I did, I saw some bad distancing from Gear too

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I skimread it before because I don't always have the luxury of taking my sweet ass time
I initially townread the interaction but after looking back I felt like it was distancing
So yes I did change what I thought of the posts

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@tywin: So you think I'm scum for vote hopping?

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Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

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Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

It feels like he's too concerned about TF's association
Maybe scum caught for the wrong reason

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if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

Not a fan of two-face saying that Tywin should be looked at if keyen is scum, then saying "There's no one way that buddies interact, we should just read Tywin after a scumflip to see if they make sense as buddies". That seems like a different position taken after questioning.

I'm not telling anyone how they should read Tywin actually. I just said how I'm going to. At least get your facts straight

Posting this for future TwoFace attack on me, since his personality makes me assume it's a guaranteed reaction.

This does not look like a town post. It looks like scum trying to discredit/pre-defend.

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Because I didn't really think to take initiative
VOTE: Tywin Lannister

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KeyNpeeles vote is bad too.

There's alot of resistance to lynching from the Key/Dave/Gamma pool.

That's a lie

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If you find a food delicious at the first time but saw some things you don't like on it, It can very much change your look on it whatever you say it's not disgusting.

If I tried Fried Oreos and I thought they were were delicious and then later found out that they were made with rat testicle, then I would no longer like them.

Then if someone asked me why I don't like Fried Oreos anymore, I'd say "Well even though they are delicious, I recently found out they are made with rat testicles."

What Gamma is saying is that even though he thought they were delicious, he doesn't like them anymore because now he thinks they taste bad. Nothing has happened since he tasted them that should have changed his mind.

It's like me not wanting to eat something after finding out it was made with GMOs

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If you find a food delicious at the first time but saw some things you don't like on it, It can very much change your look on it whatever you say it's not disgusting.

If I tried Fried Oreos and I thought they were were delicious and then later found out that they were made with rat testicle, then I would no longer like them.

Then if someone asked me why I don't like Fried Oreos anymore, I'd say "Well even though they are delicious, I recently found out they are made with rat testicles."

What Gamma is saying is that even though he thought they were delicious, he doesn't like them anymore because now he thinks they taste bad. Nothing has happened since he tasted them that should have changed his mind.

How many vote changes has this been for Gamma? Looks like an OMGUS vote on me now for calling Gamma out. I believe that's 4-5 vote changes since RVS ended. Does that seem like a townie who believes all their votes are legit scum? They can't all be right, and the reasoning used to place those votes are weak even in the best possible light. I think Gamma may be scum here. I also could be convinced to lynch Dave too. Keyan looks too easy, and I still don't like the fast wagon that happened on him early. I got attacked by TwoFace for even questioning it (with Gamma backing him up), so there's that too. If key is lynched though, that would bring more light into reads, which may mean a productive lynch. I still prefer either Dave or Gamma atm. TwoFace may be town, otherwise idk why Gamma would jump on his bad reasoning so readily here. Being inherently biased, I believe my reasoning was more sound, so Gamma switching (again) to me based on the TwpFace/Me exchange seems very opportunistic and scummy IMO.

Will reread and vote later. At work right now.

Go meta me. I promise you I voteflip many times as town.

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I liked the taste but I don't eat it on policy of not eating food with GMOs
This is kinda silly

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The fact that after looking over JJD and Gear's posting my read on them changed

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well he's probably scum also. I can only vote 1 scumread @ a time.

Are you reading the same game I am? No way is Gamma scum in this game.

That's quite the call there mister. I'm nowhere close to conftown yet.

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Uhh no offense gamma you know I love you right?

Blind sheeping anyone willynilly is bad though. And if everyone started blind sheeping like this guy is saying is ideal the game would degenerate into factions and cliques with only a few people talking and there wouldn't be much to look at. I.e. if lazy sheeping is acceptable how do you distinguish between a scum sheeping someone and a town?

No offense taken, I don't really know how my ability to have crazy-good reads is faring

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like it kinda looks like grey is manipulating gamma into voting for tywin there

No
That looks like nothing of the sort.
There's other accusations you could make that would stick way better, pal

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Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

It feels like he's too concerned about TF's association
Maybe scum caught for the wrong reason

If he is too concerned about TF's association, why would he draw even more attention to it the way he has been?

Looks to me like he's just asking for the scum motivation in tywin's post

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Go on, say what you're thinking.

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Also, I'm not oblivious. I can see what Grey is doing and I don't really mind, though I'd like to know how he knows me.

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Also, I'm not oblivious. I can see what Grey is doing and I don't really mind, though I'd like to know how he knows me.

Who says I know you?

You have made posts that imply you have experience with my play.

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My earlier reads were half assed

Is this really ur defense?

It's Gamma.

I buy it.

This post.

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Explain what my scum motive is.

Why do I need you to have a scum motive. I townread tywin so isn't that a good enough reason for me to sheep him?

Ah yes, mocking someone's play style, the towniest action

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VOTE: JarJar

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He was clearly mocking you in that context when he said it was sheeping.

I don't get how you can't see that what JJD did was scummy. He tried to discredit Grey by mocking his methods.

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Twoface I think tywin is a red herring. I believe you remember byf.

Tywin I can empathize (I think you fought over a technicality) but it might be better not to egg someone on if you don't think they're scum.

I do, I don't think HE does.

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BigYoshiFan.

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That's 10 pages ago

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Why did you ask question 2?

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@LUV: He says he has a similar playstyle to me, that may be why he said "it's Gamma".

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@LUV: He says he has a similar playstyle to me, that may be why he said "it's Gamma".

Really? I don't connect those dots. I'm not sure how they relate at all. Regardless, you're okay with him attaching to your hip all game long? What if he flips scum?

If he flips scum that means I'm town leading a scum. That's a heckuva deal to me.

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Spoiler: Quotes

Note that I'm quoting this as a new link so I just copied and paste it. Quotes are being randomized.

Hmm. I didn't have it as a scum read at all really against Lil Uzi. Looked inconsequential, but I didn't like Rask's shut down followed by calling the game 'newbie' as an aside. It seems Rask is trying to avoid conversation here, and regardless if the question was about an older post (this game hasn't even been active long enough for that time lapse excuse), what exactly was wrong with the question to shut it down and claim 'this is so newbie' after? Rask said it was a joke, and then called it ridiculous for others to not take it that way.

I find all that to be far too defensive for little reason. Aside from defensive, it has not-so-subtle barbs littering the whole post sequence. Elitism/ego at work, or scum shutting down anything before it starts? If Rask is such a light hearted player who jokes oh so much, then why am I reading it differently than supposedly intended? Maybe the humor is forced? Otherwise, it may just be bad.

Your thoughts Rask?

Accurate.

Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

You sound awkward and come off pretty self-conscious, in particular you play it cool in your reaction and pretend like you aren't nervous when it feels like the complete opposite.

You have any thoughts on the game so far?

My thoughts on the game are being unrealistic. Everybody seems normal to me although I find Gear, 2F and JarJar sketchy. Oh yeah post 154 is not a good response but what I agree with.

Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?

What did you hope to accomplish with that question?

It looks like forced to me. I mean it's not like it's been 20 pages, it's been 6. He could have asked directly, but instead it looked like he was trying to avoid direct confrontation with someone

It's not. Look, I woke up at that time, trying to read the unread posts. Just finished it and too lazy to where I read that. But see, I've quoted it. Is there still a problem with that? And if I'm avoiding confrontation with someone, then I shouldn't be playing mafia after all.

I've played with Keyen before, I was scum, and had a front row seat to him OMGUSing everyone who suspected him (among other things, but that's what's relevant here). I saw that from him here, and it's good enough for me for now. Now, I am voting someone new.

But he hasn't omgused everyone voting him.

You expecting me to do that?

Yyyyyyyyyyyy

The red letters in your role pm.

No. You looked at your role pm.

VOTE: Gear

Do you think I'm scum?

Yes. Maybe.

Non sense. Do you expect me to say your town when you've actually did is to act, not scummy, but not that townish?

I think Keyen is town. He seems pretty genuine right now. I also concur with JJD in that Gear's reasoning was pretty garbage, but I don't think garbage reasoning is a scum-tell.

I think you're scum because I read you as like my scum partner on that newbie game.

I actually think keyen could be scum here

agree

Why?

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Keyen - why so concerned about whether or not we're in RVS?

So I know if I'll post another shit posts.

All in All here's my reads:

Town:
Lannister

NullTown or just unsure reads:
All that isn't mentioned.

Leaning Town:
Gamma
Vijarada
Ssbm

NullScum:
Dave
TwoFace
Rasko

Leaning Scum:
Gear
JarJar

Why did you leave grey off?

Read the list again, notice it has a spot for unmentioned people

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@LUV: He says he has a similar playstyle to me, that may be why he said "it's Gamma".

Really? I don't connect those dots. I'm not sure how they relate at all. Regardless, you're okay with him attaching to your hip all game long? What if he flips scum?

If he flips scum that means I'm town leading a scum. That's a heckuva deal to me.

He seems to have been leading you so far, and since you're voting me ur to his prodding, and I know I'm town, how is that a good deal? If I hypothetically did get lynched (or any townie really that grey led you to vote), and I flip town for all to see, wouldn't that not be such a good deal? I'm pretty sure that would implicate you in either scenerio (townie flip for vote he led you to, or him flipping scum). I'm not following your logic.

Okay, that changes things it being put that way. It does feel like he's been out to pocket me currently.

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I'm waiting to vote keyen until
1) the case is presented
2) reason I won't share because it will spoil the method

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JarJarDrinks (1) [L-6]: Gamma Emerald

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Hm. Interesting story there Tywin.
...by which I mean that's pretty scummy.

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Hm. Interesting story there Tywin.
...by which I mean that's pretty scummy.

How is it scummy? Lol, you can't throw around the word to fit whatever you want. I'm sharing a story, and you consider that scummy? Okay then. Enjoy your bad reads. You'll find out eventually one way or another.

It looks like shade throwing. You don't state an actual stance, you just give an anecdote.

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Okay mental reboot
Tywin prons town for his skepticism, TF may be scum for consistently dodging Tywin's request for a case.
VOTE: TwoFace

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Hm. Interesting story there Tywin.
...by which I mean that's pretty scummy.

How is it scummy? Lol, you can't throw around the word to fit whatever you want. I'm sharing a story, and you consider that scummy? Okay then. Enjoy your bad reads. You'll find out eventually one way or another.

It looks like shade throwing. You don't state an actual stance, you just give an anecdote.

Shade throwing? It's just a story. I don't have an actual stance on whether grey is fake claiming or not. It frankly doesn't matter rn anyway. I just was reminded of when I claimed bodyguard in a past game while not town-aligned. It is relevant in that I believe bodyguard is an easy claim to fake, but I'm not trying to get grey lynched right now.

What is odd to me is that you look at my story, one I didn't have to bring up at all, and again you claim it to somehow be AI. You did the same when I pointed out that TwoFace lied. Funny enough, I believe Kyou came and proved it again after the fight was over. You took that opportunity to vote me for literally proving TwoFace lied about something. That was your scum read. It seemed awfully fishy and still does.

What I find extremely interesting is if grey is indeed a bodyguard, then you as scum of course would love him sheeping you. You also clearly let him lead you to a vote on me without any pushback. You didn't even question it or provide a reason why. That's awesome for scum Gamma, because you'd have an out on why you tried to lynch a townie (me) by being led by another townie (grey). Aside from that, when I asked you if it bothered you that grey was attaching himself to you, you clearly stated that no, you were very happy to have him do that. That's definitely something scum would love, but a skeptical townie would not.

Aside from that, no votes from you have ever had any conviction or real reason behind them. You've vote switched a ton of times, and every vote was useless in that you had no reasoning behind it. You weren't pushing for any lynches, and you aren't scum hunting whatsoever. You've only thrown doubt on other players, but do not ask questions in any attempt to find scum. Why? Is it because you already know they're all town?

I find that if grey isn't scum, the probability of you being scum is much, much higher.

Pinged

what is this

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello fitz

[Gamma Emerald]

Here's my one issue with Keyen. Absolutely everyone has been more than adamant/willing to lynch him without question. Not a single person besides me has really even questioned it, and I know I'm town. That means scum most likely are all aboard the Keyen wagon, and that's where it makes me not like it. Keyen just seems like the 'easiest' option, but that doesn't make him town or scum. Regardless, scum love easy lynches that nobody questions. It gives no information if Keyen flips town, because absolutely all of you were eager to join his wagon.

Grey is scum and while he is technically voting for kenyan, I wouldn't say he's adament about lynching him w/o question.

The 2 of them have pretty much ignored eachother throughout the game despite being them both being popular wagons. Grey made his claim and I think it was pretty obvious that the votes were gonna move to keyen so it's not like he had much of a choice w/ who he could vote for.

So then all you need is one of the more lurkier people (Dave/The Vijar slot/etc...) to be the third scum and your concern about scum possibly sitting on an easy lynch is moot.

what is the point of this post

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@JJD
I don't really put too much credence into inaccurate reads, as it happens with me as both alignments. Can you state the scum motivation for it?

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Ok Gamma it's good you're sharing now, especially if you have an opinion on leading wagon voicing that.

My concern now though is you were pretty nonchalant up until I asked you and then sprung to life with the superfast iso and team judgement after I asked what you thought of keyen wagon. In other words you didn't seem interested in what was going on until you felt eyes on you.

If you think jarjar/gear are both scum off this you should look at everything they did and give more analysis on it.

I'm still rereading, but I wanted to show post 272 from Rask. I agree with this and can legitimately say I feel like this is how Gamma has played the entire game now. So much like. Much wow. +1

I'm kinda stretched thin so plz forgive me if I don't always give you my utmost attention mkay?

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Yeah I agree w/ all that too. But no way I'm lynching Gamma unless it's somehow proven to me that the grey slot is town.

What makes you say this?

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@JJD
I don't really put too much credence into inaccurate reads

Huh where am I posting anything about keyn posting inaccurate reads? It's contradictory reads which is a big difference.

Can you state the scum motivation for it?

Enough w/ this "scum motivation" nonsense. Tywin had the best answer:

scum motive is to win by getting townies lynched while you survive. Am I doing this right?

That's terrible. Why would scum have contradictory reads over town? I've plain forgotten reads as both alignments.

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@JJD
Haha very funny, I meant in past games. Why would scum have contradictory reads over town?

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Why would scum have contradictory reads over town?

Might as well ask: Why would scum lurk over town? OR Why would scum naked vote over town?

Or any of the dozens of scumtells that can also come from town. Almost anything scummy can also come from town. One of the tough parts of mafia is determining whether the person doing those scummy things is scum or bad town.

Like Gamma, can you give some hypothetical examples of stuff that purely shows scum motivation?

This is the issue I'm having currently. You say these things are scummy but you don't explain why. Nothing is cut and dry, that's why scum motivation is needed.

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I mean "how does that lead them to their overall goal?" So yes, the scum motivation is that, but it also means why scum would do certain actions.
Please don't make me have to argue semantics.

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I'm saying there's nothing only scum do. I want to know what about what keyen is doing makes it more likely to come from scum than town.

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I'm saying there's nothing only scum do. I want to know what about what keyen is doing makes it more likely to come from scum than town.

I already pointed out the things that keyen is doing that makes it more likely to come from scum. If you don't agree that those things are AI then I don't know what to tell u.

Could you link that post, because I must have missed it.

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OK
Reading it it's clear what you mean.
@keyen: can you give reads?

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@Gamma: have you seen anything in the game that is more likely to come from scum than town? You posed the question about Keyen, so what about everyone else? My original pick for that was grey, which I explained why, but we can't lynch his claim RN. So anyone else? You clearly didn't see grey as scum, so who do you have in your scum list?

I've already stated I found some interactions between JJD and Gear shady

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What the fuck???

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Wow okay
I was reminded of Desperation Day and thought "this is the same thing he did last game, just without the self-hammer"

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The fact TwoFace isn't unvoting pretty much confirms him as scum.
And JJD.

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It wasn't real, dude. I'm pretty sure it was a reaction test.

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keyen is towntelling big time rn.

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Lol wtf is going on in this game. Key keeps my vote. The guy literally claimed scum and then tried to renig after. There's no way you can keep him alive, especially with that 'scum list' of his. He then tries to get someone mod killed/replaced out of spite. What a joke. Call it a policy lynch if you somehow believe he isn't scum at this point, but I'm sticking with it now. He's just bad for town no matter what you believe.

Idk what Gamma: what are you thinking? Key claimed scum and you call it a total town-read? Even if you believe that, do you want that guy around during Lylo? Look at his scum list lol. If he somehow did flip VT, id say he's a plus for scum as a pure distraction at this point. I mean wow. What a meltdown. He also seems to want to get others in trouble outside of the game as if that's cool, plus the name calling. Key needs to go. You'll gain no townie points from me defending those series of posts.

I've seen this behavior by him as town before. Plus, the fact he claimed scum but didn't self hammer means he's likely town.

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the point is that you supposedly scumread 2face but are telling him to keep an eye on tywin.

Good point tbh

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Yeaaahhh, no matter how towny the rest of it is that was sketchy as fuck.

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I'm disturbed by these recent developments
Not thinking keyen is town anymore

I'll be hammering unless anyone objects

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the point is that you supposedly scumread 2face but are telling him to keep an eye on tywin.

2F.is town. I changed my mind. He's emotion is ruling his body just what he did on my Mini Normal 1848 when he shot a town when he was a vig for the same shit reasons.

I also have a suggestion:
There's a possibility that we're experiencing a TvT

And you change mind now whyyyyy?

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I'm not seeing much town in keyen's posts. The fact he keeps waffling on reads suggests he doesn't want to out his scumbuddies IMHO.
If anyone has something they need to say and can't say it in the next few hours, please notify me, otherwise I'll hammer when I sign off for the night.

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I'm not seeing much town in keyen's posts. The fact he keeps waffling on reads suggests he doesn't want to out his scumbuddies IMHO.
If anyone has something they need to say and can't say it in the next few hours, please notify me, otherwise I'll hammer when I sign off for the night.

I wasn't that keyen an hour ago.

Yeah, but your reads are terrible and some of what you have been saying looks like you're imitating your town play.

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@Tywin: anything left to say, because I'm hammering soon.

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keyen has left the building

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VOTE: keyenpeydee

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Guess I might as well give twilight reads.
Dave is definitely town. Gerry is possibly scum. Tywin is likely town. Feeling JJD town. Grey scummy.

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VOTE: -Grey-

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Also, I really doubt Tywin is scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Any major read changes after the night's flips other than Grey?

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fitz

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UNVOTE:
Let's not speedgame yet.

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Okay, I am personally ready to lynch Grey.

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VOTE: grey
if this flips scum vig gear or havingfitz, pref gear.
L-1 I think

It's confirmed scum.

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intent to hammer

I'm ready. Is everyone else voting ready?

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SK p much never appears in Mini Normals from what I've heard.

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I'd figure an SK would go for Grey over anyone else, given they had already claimed PR, too.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'f ssbm flips scum at some point I'd probably consider Gear cleared.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm thinking ssbm for one. That clears Gear imo. TF, JJD, and fitz aren't feeling particularly scummy, and Tywin is already clear.
That leaves gerry and LUV. I feel gerry is the more likely of the two.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm thinking ssbm for one. That clears Gear imo. TF, JJD, and fitz aren't feeling particularly scummy, and Tywin is already clear.
That leaves gerry and LUV. I feel gerry is the more likely of the two.

You still haven't given a reason for scumreading me. Or is it only POE?

PoE and some sketchy posts.

[Gamma Emerald]

back to back bad votes imo

Right but Gerry didn't ask him any questions so what's he harping about?

I jut find it weird to come back and not have anything to add except "can we get a vote count"

Why do people keep voting key? And why aren't more people voting PsychoticDave. -Grey- idk if you're new or anything, but you shouldn't have claimed right away like that, you weren't even on L-1 yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm the vig. I don't intend to shoot if we lynch town.

[Gamma Emerald]

I killed Dave n1 and ssbm n2. I chose ones I felt could get decent associations.

[Gamma Emerald]

Trying to form reads from a combined ISO
ssbm looks town
keyen town
Rask town

Guess I might as well give twilight reads.
Dave is definitely town. Gerry is possibly scum. Tywin is likely town. Feeling JJD town. Grey scummy.

I'm being ridiculous?

He shot dave. Who's definitely town in his twilight read. Bullshit.

Had ss as town at one point. Ss was town after the grey flip.

He's the SK

My Dave read was based on a key scumslip dude.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like Dave fine I could see that coming from bad vig. Not SS though.

I telegraphed that kill dude. Look at what I said d2.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm MS busy elsewhere atm. Will pick back up in here over the weekend????

Spoiler:

I killed Dave n1 and ssbm n2. I chose ones I felt could get decent associations.

Why did you claim?
What associations did you uncover?

I claimed so they knew I wasn't killing if we lynched town today. Dave was because of the pushes on him, and I had the thought that Gear was town if ssbm was scum because of ssbm's jump off of the Grey wagon by voting Gear.

[Gamma Emerald]

plus dave was his town read, vig isn't going to shoot a town read ever

See above: I thought key was flipping scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure, I'll claim SK, but I'm not shooting if we lynch town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like why would I claim vig/SK at that time if I was concerned for my survival? You can say I'm an SK but my claim is fucking playing against my wincon in that case.

[Gamma Emerald]

I need to reread but I think I may be willing to vote Gear.

[Gamma Emerald]

Look at what I've said about not being SK.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would I claim vig if I were SK/mafia? SK gets lynched once the mafia is gone, or is Night killed. Mafia gets killed by the real one.

[Gamma Emerald]

I see you online JarJar.

[Gamma Emerald]

JarJar hasn't addressed my points. He might be scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gear

If there is a SK would there only be 2 maf with this many people?

Yeah that is a decent, question, town power is enough that it's not likely based on what C9++/JK9++ looks like.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hold up.

[Gamma Emerald]

If there is any living cop here and I flipped town, Cop JarJar. Trust me.

Sure thing chief.

What's up with this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would I claim vig if I were SK/mafia? SK gets lynched once the mafia is gone, or is Night killed. Mafia gets killed by the real one.

I get what ur saying. But:

- I don't get how a town vig shoots someone he's townreading
- I think the town has too much power for u to be a vig

>It was based on a keyen scum flip. I decided to shoot because the association wasn't there and I wanted to find more associations
>I've seen a similar setup to this one recently. It was
Cop
Doc
Vig
Vs
Goon
Encryptor
RB

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm p curious about Gear's lack of activity tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Prodding Gear. They have 24hr to make a game-advancing post. (Gear was prodded at end of last phase and responded. They are also V/LA on weekends.)

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would I claim vig if I were SK/mafia? SK gets lynched once the mafia is gone, or is Night killed. Mafia gets killed by the real one.

I get what ur saying. But:

- I don't get how a town vig shoots someone he's townreading
- I think the town has too much power for u to be a vig

>It was based on a keyen scum flip. I decided to shoot because the association wasn't there and I wanted to find more associations

What about keyen being scum pointed to a town dave?

VCA p much.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma. Are you compulsive?

No.

[Gamma Emerald]

hi uzi what are your reads

Hey!

I'm down with one of Fitz, Gamma, or Gear today.

I feel like there is a small chance we are all being duped by JJD but I think he's town this game.

Please read my day 3 posts. I'm not sk or mafia.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why not?

[Gamma Emerald]

If I'm mafia the vig shoots me. If I'm SK my only chance at winning is to reach 3p lylo with a mafia and a townie.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, I'm not resing until I get you to admit there's no way I'm not a vig.

[Gamma Emerald]

Grey is truly NOT a GreyICE alt then.

[Gamma Emerald]

What is your idea of the alphabet?

[Gamma Emerald]

Fitz. I see. That was confusing. When you do that use full usernames.

[Gamma Emerald]

JarJar makes sensr. TF not so much.

[Gamma Emerald]

each other is worthless

coming from you i'll take that as a compliment cause you have done nothing of value thus far and you replaced in like 2 weeks ago.

There is no way you have read this game and think jar/grey are scum together. if you think so you need to provide evidence that they were bussing/distancing from each other cause day 1 I just don't see scum doing that.

p.edit - you too gamma. explain how jar/grey team makes sense

That's not what I meant. I meant the JarJar defense makes sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can understand how JJD cannot be a partner with Grey

[Gamma Emerald]

VC 1.13 (FINAL)

keyenpeydee (7) [LYNCHED]: TwoFace, -Grey-, Raskolnikov, JarJarDrinks, PsychoticDave, Tywin Lannister, Gamma Emerald
TwoFace (1) [L-6]: keyenpeydee
PsychoticDave (1) [L-6]: gerryoat
-Grey- (1) [L-6]: Lil Uzi Vert
Gear (1) [L-6]: ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (2): Gear, havingfitz

Lynch Threshold

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch!

Mod Notes

Still seeking a replacement for -Grey-.
Prodding Lil Uzi Vert.
Gear is (expired on 2016-12-10 13:23:00) from prod.

I still say there was more than 1 scum on the key wagon. It might actually be TwoFace

Who initially drove the keyen wagon? When did it start?

[Gamma Emerald]

Calls my reads shit but refused to vote scum and tried to lynch the doctor. If you're town you have no place to judge anyone.

Yeah you're still the guy who got lynched as a town pr before.

Ahy do you mention he was the doctor? How could Gerry have known?

[Gamma Emerald]

The keyen rvs wagon or the keyen real wagon?

Keyen real wagon was led by me.

When did you start pushing the real wagon?

[Gamma Emerald]

You probably suspected he was one.

What makes you say that?

[Gamma Emerald]

What PR tells were in Dave's ISO?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think these two might be town but I'm not sure yet
I may do a VCA (day 1 only)

[Gamma Emerald]

If JJD, TF, and gerry are not mafia (a lock town + 2 TRs), that leaves GreyICE/fitz/LUV.

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

caught up

[Gamma Emerald]

fitz definitely feels scummy, but I'd look to LUV if he's not scum, that L-1 was messed up

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really see anything suggesting fitz is town.

intent to hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking at Vijarada's ISO I don't think Vi ever voted scum. I'll see what fitz did as well.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did fitz vote Grey d1 or d2?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is fitz so town?

[Gamma Emerald]

fitz can you help me digest your reads since they are a bit hard to analyze

[Gamma Emerald]

^ yeah what he said. Plus even if the flip didn't happen he was confirmed scum imo by the mod by accident

How?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo JJD can we talk a bit? Walk me through your reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: fitz

[Gamma Emerald]

Gerry stop calling people names. I want full reads, with simple reasoning.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I was maf I woulda nk'd twoface night 1 cause a toxic and annoying person to play with.

Keep telling us that, IMO it's more reason to lynch you.

[Gamma Emerald]

You're a dumbass. Get your story straight.
VOTE: gerryoat

[Gamma Emerald]

You're prob SK. Only a dumb ass town would say something stupid like that.

Yea gerry i was really happy to see you were in game can you give me a cheat sheet of your reads because i respect them a lot

Twofaced is scum. Based on a previous game experience with him that I think he's trying hard to copy his town hame from last time.

Lil uzi is maf. Just reread his post and then look at his quick omgus on me (despite having at least 3 ppl he fosed more than me)

Gamma is vig/SK. Prob vig for outing. Has 2 questionable kills from his point of view but explained them decently.

Jar jar prob town. I went into today actually considering voting him, but I liked his posts today.

Your slot TBD. I went into today voting your slot, but it's unfair considering all the replacements. So I will give you a chance.

Fitz is town. Explained earlier

Me: tried to stop us from mislynching obvious town day 1 (they didn't listen lol)

Vig or SK? Now that I'm ahaisnt you, I'm more likely SK than vig. No.

[Gamma Emerald]

So Gamma...what happened?

I'll catch up before I declare my action. I want to see everyone's entry first.
I did act FYI.

[Gamma Emerald]

I shot gerry.
So who do I think is scum now?
Fitz. He was stating I was probtown but now believes I'm SK.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am shocked you'd think I shot JJD btw, gerry. I was TRing him completely.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I have mod confirmation I was blocked.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, but it's in my inbox.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah EM is a terrible site.

We agree with something

You play there

[Gamma Emerald]

what

[Gamma Emerald]

VC 4.03

gerryoat (3) [L-1]: TwoFace, Lil Uzi Vert, havingfitz
havingfitz (1) [L-3]: CloudKicker

Not Voting (2): Gamma Emerald, gerryoat

Lynch Threshold

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Current Deadline

The current deadline is 11:00AM EST Tuesday, January 17, 2016, or (expired on 2017-01-17 11:00:00)

Would like to note CK is town if Gerry is town at this point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait, let's go through this
Let's say both G and CK are town
That leaves TF, HF, and LUV
LUV hasn't really pinged me too much so That leaves TF and HF
But that would mean they are double bussing, which I find unlikely
Am I wrong in that last statement?

[Gamma Emerald]

LUV is feeling town currently

[Gamma Emerald]

Right...so he should be voting who he thinks is scum. So why isn't he?

Because I'm REALLY not sure about much.

[Gamma Emerald]

cool a case

[Gamma Emerald]

Just got here
This is a cursory vote for now, very likely to change
VOTE: CloudKicker

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda thinking fitz and gerry is scum
I will place a final vote tonight because

V/LA until tuesday

so I have to choose something
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Yup still got the townfeels from LUV and TF
fitz seems to be putting up an act
VOTE: fitz

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks.
I'm less impressed by fitz's reaction, there doesn't seem to be any desperation like you and TF are showing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fitz is arguing that 2 people that could have hammered him are scum lol.

From reaction by fitz, and this post, I think it's gerry now, not quite sure on the second, but I feel this attempt to fake clear himself is scummy
VOTE: gerryoat

[Gamma Emerald]

Gerry had fitz as a tr
not sure bout CK

[Gamma Emerald]

What the actual fuck
I wasn't RBed
and I shot the last scum
holy fucking shit

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah but at least I found scum with my shot, indirectly