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VOTE: psychotic Dave
Psychos kill people.

VOTE: TwoFace

That post reads like a confession, Harvey.

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I'm not psycho. I'm eccentric

Mr. Nigma is an eccentric.

You are a zealot.

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I'm not psycho. I'm eccentric

Mr. Nigma is an eccentric.

You are a zealot.

Still not a psycho though

*flips coin*

Agree to disagree.

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VOTE: PsychoticDave

Looks like you are more concerned about appearances than finding scum.

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VOTE: JarJar

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UNVOTE: TwoFace
Meme is stale now.

This unvote is weird.

It is, indeed. One might wonder why Dave would be interested in avoiding being on a wagon.

One might surmise that it is to dodge VCA.

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why jar?

100 was forced.

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Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?

What did you hope to accomplish with that question?

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Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?

What did you hope to accomplish with that question?

It looks like lazy to me. I mean it's not like it's been 20 pages, it's been 6. He could have asked directly, but instead it looked like he was trying to avoid effort

Fixed for accuracy.

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My earlier reads were half assed

Is this really ur defense?

It's Gamma.

I buy it.

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The random voting thing is a meme. I always unvote memes.

Simply unvoting instead of finding a new home for your vote looks scummy as fuck.

Stop it.

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Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

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Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

It feels like he's too concerned about TF's association
Maybe scum caught for the wrong reason

If he is too concerned about TF's association, why would he draw even more attention to it the way he has been?

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This does not look like a town post. It looks like scum trying to discredit/pre-defend.

So... why aren't you voting him?

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I liked your reasoning, but it's hard to buy when your vote isn't where your mouth is.

VOTE: Tywin Lannister

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well he's probably scum also. I can only vote 1 scumread @ a time.

Are you reading the same game I am? No way is Gamma scum in this game.

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well he's probably scum also. I can only vote 1 scumread @ a time.

Are you reading the same game I am? No way is Gamma scum in this game.

Please point out a flaw in my case.

How about the fact it's superficial and lacks any actual scum motivation?

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well he's probably scum also. I can only vote 1 scumread @ a time.

Are you reading the same game I am? No way is Gamma scum in this game.

Please point out a flaw in my case.

How about the fact it's superficial and lacks any actual scum motivation?

I mean seriously, who

hasn't

reread content and come away with a new perspective before?

Your entire case hinges on that being scummy and it's bullshit.

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who's scum grey?

That's a stupid question to be asking on day one because the only people that can answer it with any accuracy at all are scum.

I hate day one in games because people latch onto the stupidest excuses to vote someone.

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who's scum grey?

That's a stupid question to be asking on day one because the only people that can answer it with any accuracy at all are scum.

I hate day one in games because people latch onto the stupidest excuses to vote someone.

So we should be voting randomly? Or do you want to no-lynch?

Yeah. Those are exactly the words that came out of my mouth. Because not liking stupidity means... embracing... stupidity?

Frankly, I think it would be better to towning on day one, and vote outside of the townreads.

That increases the odds of straight random voting, which is better than a typical d1 lynch that has a high chance of being scum driven.

Then d2 can focus more on how those townreads came about and whether they were justified based on their own posts as well as vc activity and the like.

d1 is easier to find townreads than legitimate scumreads, so town should use that.

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who's scum grey?

That's a stupid question to be asking on day one because the only people that can answer it with any accuracy at all are scum.

I hate day one in games because people latch onto the stupidest excuses to vote someone.

So we should be voting randomly? Or do you want to no-lynch?

Yeah. Those are exactly the words that came out of my mouth. Because not liking stupidity means... embracing... stupidity?

Frankly, I think it would be better to townhunt on day one, and vote outside of the townreads.

That increases the odds of straight random voting, which is better than a typical d1 lynch that has a high chance of being scum driven.

Then d2 can focus more on how those townreads came about and whether they were justified based on their own posts as well as vc activity and the like.

d1 is easier to find townreads than legitimate scumreads, so town should use that.

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You can't put no input in what goes on and then complain at the result though. If you think gamma is a bad wagon you should offer alternatives.

Feel free to sheep Gamma. That's where my vote is.

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Go back and read page 15.

Like am I crazy or was grey defending tywin right before he voted for him?

nah he was sort of defending him

Nah I was asking for Gamma to clarify an apparent contradiction.

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Go on, say what you're thinking.

inb4 we're scum together and so intimidated by Tywin that we're blatantly hanging up on him.

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ganging*

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that apparently -grey- finds to be an amazing case.

There's the summary of your beef with me, which is a lovely misrep.

I'm sheeping a townread because it's day one. That's all it is. With everybody's blathering and worthless hyperbole, it's hard enough to find a town read on d1, let alone an actual scumread that's worth two shits, hell just look at your own post for a prime example of shitty voting.

There are three people I won't vote for right now. The rest, idc.

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Also, I'm not oblivious. I can see what Grey is doing and I don't really mind, though I'd like to know how he knows me.

Who says I know you?

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My earlier reads were half assed

Is this really ur defense?

It's Gamma.

I buy it.

This post.

Dude. You have a playstyle that I identify with. That's why I read you town. That's why I ask you for clarification on your reads when I don't 'get it'.

I'm also an easy target for votes by lazy town and scum.

Do I know YOU? No. Do I recognize a kindred spirit? Yes.

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Um WHAT?

"It's Gamma, I buy it" CLEARLY is an implication that you're familiar with Gamma. Not that it's a playstyle u "identify with"

Assumptions like that are why it's important to actually all clarifying questions and pull your head out of your ass.

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Grey, any read on keyen?

He's not a townread.

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grey is REALLY looking like scum now.

Why? Because I don't confirm to your cookie cutter mold of what town should look like?

Explain what my scum motive is.

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Grey/Keyen/psychodave is the scumteam.

What do I win?

The fact you think you pegged three scum on day one is EXACTLY the problem I have with scumhunting on day one.

Stupidity reigns supreme.

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grey is REALLY looking like scum now.

Why? Because I don't confirm to your cookie cutter mold of what town should look like?

Explain what my scum motive is.

Your scum motive is to win by getting townies lynched while you survive. Am I doing this right?

No Einstein.

What am I trying to accomplish in order to further that agenda in my posts? How do my posts contribute to a scum wincon?

Spoiler:

They don't.

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Explain what my scum motive is.

Why do I need you to have a scum motive. I townread tywin so isn't that a good enough reason for me to sheep him?

Only if you're being honest about that actually being the reason.

Otherwise, your motives are suspect.

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Why do I need you to have a scum motive.

How did the wagon on this clown fall apart?

Why does he need his scumread to have a scum motive?

SERIOUSLY?

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Explain what my scum motive is.

Why do I need you to have a scum motive. I townread tywin so isn't that a good enough reason for me to sheep him?

Ah yes, mocking someone's play style, the towniest action

he just called me stupid so he deserves to be mocked

And it's not really mocking. He wants me to explain his scum motivation because I'm voting for him but he's voting for tywin for literally no reason.

You were pushing me. Ergo, you believe I have scum motive in my posts.

I was not pushing Tywin. I was sheeping a townread.

You claimed to be sheeping a townread after pushing me. You're full of shit.

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How did the wagon on this clown fall apart?

wait you scumream me now? Your last bunch of posts don't read to me like you're talking to someone u believe is scum.

Ever since you lied about sheeping Tywin they have. Keep up, champ.

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Like how do you ask how the wagon on me fell apart when you're not voting for me, not trying to push my lynch, not doing anything to try to get people to lynch me.

498

Like that.

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Ever since you lied about sheeping Tywin they have. Keep up, champ.

It wasn't a lie. It was using your own argument against you. Even Gamma pointed out how I shouldn't have been mocking you.

It was a lie. I destroyed your push so you feel back on a lazy sheeping excuse.

Pushing and sheeping are mutually exclusive.

You're full of shit.

VOTE: JJD

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VOTE: Grey

Jarjar used your own logic to illustrate how little sense it made and you're taking that at face value as a lie.
I doubt you actually fail to see the connection so I think you're being extremely disingenuous here.

No. He pushed me. He called me scum. I asked for scum motive. He couldn't provide it, so he claimed to be sheeping.

That is not at all the same thing I did.

I did not push Tywin. I did not call Tywin scum. I never proclaimed any alignment read on Tywin whatsoever. THAT is sheeping.

Calling me scum and failing to describe the perceived scum motive that lead to that read is not a justification to fall back on sheeping.

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He was clearly mocking you in that context when he said it was sheeping.

And he STILL HASN'T provided any actual reason to read me as scum.

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He calls me scum.

He can't say why when he's questioned on it.

Instead of admitting that, he deflects by claiming he's sheeping.

It's not complicated. Dude is caught scum and squirming.

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So what's his scum motivation?

He mistook me for an easy target that would go down quietly because I wasn't active due to my distaste of d1s.

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I'm a bodyguard.

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VOTE: keyen

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Claiming a protective is an overused tactic.

I agree, but we aren't lynching him regardless.

i don't believe the claim either fwiw

That post makes no sense. If you think I'm lying, why wouldn't you vote me?

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Claim was a little early.

By design.

Claiming at L-2 means two people have to be idiots instead of just one.

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I can't get into this game and it would be better for me to replace out than continue participating without interest.

@mod:

please replace me

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Considering how bad I tanked, Gerry and Cloud did great.

Sorry for losing the game, guys.