Mini 1860 - Game Over!

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I forgot I joined this game until I got my role PM lol.

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I really hate RVS. it's annoying af cause everyone sounds so forced. I'll be back in 2 pages

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Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

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^ smh

Mental note. Keep an eye on that guy

did you not learn from last game?

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Vijarda. That was terrible reasons to vote someone. They aren't AI things.

o ok. you learned nvm lol

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Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

VOTE: Gerryoat

This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?

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Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

Three posts

"Hi"
"I dislike RVS"
"We're out of RVS yay!"

This is a very intentional effort to avoid moving the game foward. VOTE: Gerryoat

His vote on me is bad, but his reasoning isn't bad. I can see from his point of view from someone who hasn't played with me how this can seem. But, it's only been 5 pages, how do you expect me to move the game forward when the first 5 pages of so of every game people spout random votes on reaction test votes that are baseless?

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VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

I would argue that everyone has fake ass scumhunting in RVS stage, because it's voting people and looking for reactions. So, is there a deeper reason why you think his scumhunting is fake? Is it possible that you have meta with him and his wording seems different this game?

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Gerry - why not participate in the fun early on?

I don't find voting random people and making bad jokes about voting people randomly fun lol. But, I'm here now to participate now.

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Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

VOTE: Gerryoat

This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?

I didn't know that
Could you point it out?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8496203
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8334540

prob more but im lazy.

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Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?

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Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?

What did you hope to accomplish with that question?

It looks like forced to me. I mean it's not like it's been 20 pages, it's been 6. He could have asked directly, but instead it looked like he was trying to avoid direct confrontation with someone

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Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

VOTE: Gerryoat

This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?

@Everyone: Remember when I said that meta sucks and gave reasons why? Look at this guy ^. This is a guy that knows his meta and so uses it as a defense. He clearly thought this through beforehand.

Do we all know why meta sucks now? It allows crap like this to happen.

I think you're reaching very hard. It was just something that I say every game, and something that I feel like as town he wouldn't push on. But i guess he wasn't aware of it as I thought he would be.

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His vote on me is bad, but his reasoning isn't bad.

Why is his vote on you bad if the reasoning isn't?

It's bad because I'm town, but his logic shows that he's at least trying to scumhunt. Just because someone votes you doesnt mean they are mafia or making up reads. That's what I was trying to get across.

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if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

tywin looks town to me.

He was reaching, but I agree that I like his content so far.

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I disagree but we can agree to disagree. The 2nd quote the reasoning is bad which is why I pushed on it. The 1st is not bad which is why I didn't.

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Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone

VOTE: Gerryoat

This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?

@Everyone: Remember when I said that meta sucks and gave reasons why? Look at this guy ^. This is a guy that knows his meta and so uses it as a defense. He clearly thought this through beforehand.

Do we all know why meta sucks now? It allows crap like this to happen.

I think you're reaching very hard. It was just something that I say every game, and something that I feel like as town he wouldn't push on. But i guess he wasn't aware of it as I thought he would be.

I'm not reaching at all. If I was reaching, I'd have called it AI and voted you. I did neither. I simply used you as an example for why meta is useless. You used your own meta to defend yourself, which obviously is a good example showing how meta can be manipulated.

So where's the reach? Do you disagree with my assessment? Did you not use your own meta as a defense?

I don't like meta as a defense, but sometimes I do use it. I didn't really feel it was a bad use of meta though, cause it's something I literally say every game lol.

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2F, your reads are as shit as ever. I remember you being so aggressive and ruining town.

lol yeah fine lynch me. go ahead.

JarJar, I still don't get why you're scum reading me. Mind to give reasons?

idk guys, he kinda sounds like me when I'm fos'd as town and upset lol. I'm kinda hesitant to vote him based on that alone. I want to see what he 'figured out' when he gets back, though.

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I understand the case on key, but what exactly is the case on JarJar? I believe he has 4 votes on him right now. I haven't really seen anyone give a case though.

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Okay, I'll ISO him and then i'll let you know what I think after

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I iso'd Jar and I don't think his content warrants that many votes on him.

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Jar has been asking a lot of questions and not giving answers. But, if you inspect his reads, they make sense. I can see why he's voting Key (even though I kinda disagree right now) And he also has a tr on tywin, which I can also see why he TRs tywin.

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Oh wait, I forgot he flipped to gamma lol. Yeah, that one looked like OMGUS at first site. But, we'll see what he has to say about that.

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Jar has been asking a lot of questions and not giving answers. But, if you inspect his reads, they make sense. I can see why he's voting Key (even though I kinda disagree right now) And he also has a tr on tywin, which I can also see why he TRs tywin.

Wanna cw JJD wagon?

With who

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Ehhh.. of those, I'd go with PsychoticDave

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People who I'd consider good votes atm:
keyen
psychodave
gamma emerald

Agree w/ all these

as in these

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VOTE: PsychoticDave

voting this for now.

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back to back bad votes imo

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We need to lynch keyen first

what's your read on psychoticdave

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KeyNpeeles vote is bad too.

There's alot of resistance to lynching from the Key/Dave/Gamma pool.

This. Also there does seem to be resistant on the last 2, but I'm not sure as to why? Can someone give me reasons why they TR Gamma or Dave?

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VOTE: Psychodave

There's still weirdness from keyen but I could see a lot of it coming from rvs + wagon nervousness and phone-posting (any maybe language barrier).
I kind of like 371 because it feels as though he's owning up to what was said in some way if that makes sense. Idk about the explanations but they aren't terrible, and his reads/pov at this point isn't that unreasonable either.

Why Dave? He's useless but not scummy.

How do you know he's useless but not scummy? All his posts have been trash. He could be useless mafia

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FTR I do think keyen is scummier than gamma emerald from what I know of gamma emerald (the admittance of half-assing reads is bold), though I expect gamma to be an easy sort over enough time anyways. IDK how this guy can be so confident at this point on him either though.

THough I think his content (key) has been bad, i feel like his reactions to the lynches are pretty good. And they line up to how I react when I'm about to be mislynched as town. So, I kinda wanna townread him or it.

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Could we get a vote count?

this dude comes back and all he asks for is a vote count, despite there being questions on him.

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Could we get a vote count?

this dude comes back and all he asks for is a vote count, despite there being questions on him.

What questions would you like me to answer?

What are your reads this game. What do you think of the people with the most votes on them? Is there anyone who you wouldn't vote today? Is there a lynch pool you're more comfortable with?

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Right but Gerry didn't ask him any questions so what's he harping about?

I jut find it weird to come back and not have anything to add except "can we get a vote count"

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Your townpool sucks cause I'm not in it.

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Lol @ my questions being dumb. And then you barely answer his questions

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I think that might be L-1 or someone unvoted

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I'm voting PsychoticDave right now, I could vote Grey though, I haven't really liked any of his content.

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Why do people keep voting key? And why aren't more people voting PsychoticDave. -Grey- idk if you're new or anything, but you shouldn't have claimed right away like that, you weren't even on L-1 yet.

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Not a single person besides me has really even questioned it

you must forget i exist this game

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I can explain the Dave case at least. Dave has posted all fluff/trash for the majority of his participation. He did answer my questions, but he ignored gerryoats' for some unknown reason. He ignored Rask's earlier questions as well, and I may be forgetting a few. He hasn't posted any reads, because he claimed all are null, but when pushed he did say grey (and key I believe, but I'm on phone so not positive). Regardless, he hasn't asked questions or scum hunted anyone by default. It could be a case of being unfamiliar with forum Mafia, but I'd assume he'd still try to participate when he was told how this works.

So basically, the Dave case boils down to him being 'useless,' which he agreed with when I asked his thoughts on that. His avoidance of answering questions looks scummy, and his lack of scum hunts does as well. He does continue to post, so he's not lurking in the strictest sense, but he's added nothing to help town. By definition, his play as been anti-town.

Wanna add anything to this Gerry?

this is pretty much it. even when he was given opportunity to give some good content, he shyed away from it. All his reads are from 'gut' and he can't break down any of his reasons for his reads.

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Yes, if they are bad scum.

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VOTE: keyen. L-1.

?????? did you not think he was not a good vote?

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Scum:
2F
JJD
Rasko

Game solved. Bye

Town:
Gamma

i mean technically wouldn't everyone else be town? lol

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2face, Rask, Tywin are all strong townreads that should never be lynched.

i agree with this pool. i wouldn't call it strong, but i think they are town. also i need explanation from tywin for the vote on key

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Key was just upset town imo, he's not mafia. I wish I was here earlier more. But I have the flu currently so my replies haven't been up to par lately, sorry.

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Gerry is possibly scum

Please tell me how you think I could be scum.

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Spoiler: Key

If there is any living cop here and I flipped town, Cop JarJar. Trust me.

2F, if I flipped town, Keep an eye on Tywin.

If i am a dayvig, i would shoot jjd

I'm not self hammering. There's a 5% chance yall can forgive how i fucked up again as town.

Yes good job town. But if i flip VT, Lynch JJD and Rasko.

No lol i'm joking. I'm a VT. But i am so done.

I'm done. Lynch me. I am scum. Town wins.

These are all things i'd say being upset lol. I'm pretty sure I said most of this stuff in the Space Maf game I was in with TwoFace. He also keeps saying "If I flip town" Which I initially TR because he's trying to make a dying wish that when we see him flip town, we should listen to him.

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If he flips scum I'll lol, but dont think so.

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Yeah I'm not sure why any of you guys bought that claim.

VOTE: Grey

L-1

I don't think anyone bought it. are you reading? multiple people said they thought the claim was not legit

I agree. Don't like this line from Lil Uzi

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I'm thinking ssbm for one. That clears Gear imo. TF, JJD, and fitz aren't feeling particularly scummy, and Tywin is already clear.
That leaves gerry and LUV. I feel gerry is the more likely of the two.

You still haven't given a reason for scumreading me. Or is it only POE?

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I can't believe Dave was town, he also should have pushed on -grey- harder.

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I'm thinking ssbm for one. That clears Gear imo. TF, JJD, and fitz aren't feeling particularly scummy, and Tywin is already clear.
That leaves gerry and LUV. I feel gerry is the more likely of the two.

You still haven't given a reason for scumreading me. Or is it only POE?

PoE and some sketchy posts.

quote them. Because you haven't grilled me on any of the 'sketchy' posts. WHich is what I'd assume anyone would do on a scumread. Especially when you narrowed it down by that much.

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IMO Dave was the vig shot 100%. Rask was townie and i see mafia killing him.

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back to back bad votes imo

Right but Gerry didn't ask him any questions so what's he harping about?

I jut find it weird to come back and not have anything to add except "can we get a vote count"

Why do people keep voting key? And why aren't more people voting PsychoticDave. -Grey- idk if you're new or anything, but you shouldn't have claimed right away like that, you weren't even on L-1 yet.

1st: 2 people voted Tywin, who I tr probably the most right now. I think those were bad votes and I didn't even ike the reason for voting him. You seem to TR tywin now, so I don't get how you can come to that conclusion.

2nd: I was pushing on Dave, my hardest scumread. He wasn't doing much. And people don't just skip 20 pages and then come back without any content to add but "what are the votes at"

3rd: I didn't scumread key, because he had reactions that I have when I'm scumread as town. Which is why I thought he was a bad vote. Which he ended up turning out to be.

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VC 1.13 (FINAL)

keyenpeydee (7) [LYNCHED]: TwoFace, -Grey-, Raskolnikov, JarJarDrinks, PsychoticDave, Tywin Lannister, Gamma Emerald
TwoFace (1) [L-6]: keyenpeydee
PsychoticDave (1) [L-6]: gerryoat
-Grey- (1) [L-6]: Lil Uzi Vert
Gear (1) [L-6]: ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (2): Gear, havingfitz

Lynch Threshold

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch!

Mod Notes

Still seeking a replacement for -Grey-.
Prodding Lil Uzi Vert.
Gear is (expired on 2016-12-10 13:23:00) from prod.

I think there has to be more than 1 scum on the key wagon. That wagon was way too easy.

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Are we waiting for a hammer? If so

VOTE: -Grey-

I'm pretty sure there isn't a BG and a Doctor for town.

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Okay, there has to be a SK. Vig can't be that bad. what the fuck.

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Don't you think he would have been a bit more adamant about it though?

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sorry if i voted too fast, but i figured there was no way he could be town and didn't want any more possible communication between him and his partner in case he needed to code something about an ability he had. Do you think we have a SK? Or is a vig more probable?

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@ havingfitz/gerryoat/Gear/Lil Uzi Vert

Who do y'all want to lynch?????

I would lynch in Gamma/Gear/Lil Uzi today

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I killed Dave n1 and ssbm n2. I chose ones I felt could get decent associations.

ummm didn't you TR dave? If you're Vig, your shots don't match up with your reads

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His reads are probably spot on and he attempted to prevent a Key lynch.

you mean like I did?

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My Dave read was based on a key scumslip dude.

???????? but key flipped town. you should have seen that? are you like day vig or something? i dont get it

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Like why would I claim vig/SK at that time if I was concerned for my survival? You can say I'm an SK but my claim is fucking playing against my wincon in that case.

Yeah this makes sense. Why would he claim vig right there if he was SK. Idk, doesn't make sense.

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I think I'd like to lynch Gear or Lil Uzi today, now that's i've caught up. what does everyone else think?

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what's your read on Lil Uzi?

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Yes, I was thinking about voting him, but I fos'd Dave more. And then I believe he claimed BG right after, so I wasn't going to vote him then.

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VOTE: Gear

If there is a SK would there only be 2 maf with this many people?

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2face is making alot of sense to me right now. Gerry as scum and Gamma as SK sounds about right.

Gonna reread stuffs tomorrow @ work

I don't get how me saying I would vote someone when they were at L-2 makes me mafia. I woulda voted if they didnt claim PR

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His reads are probably spot on and he attempted to prevent a Key lynch.

you mean like I did?

can u point out where u tried to prevent a Key lynch?

Spoiler:

2F, your reads are as shit as ever. I remember you being so aggressive and ruining town.

lol yeah fine lynch me. go ahead.

JarJar, I still don't get why you're scum reading me. Mind to give reasons?

idk guys, he kinda sounds like me when I'm fos'd as town and upset lol. I'm kinda hesitant to vote him based on that alone. I want to see what he 'figured out' when he gets back, though.

KeyNpeeles vote is bad too.

There's alot of resistance to lynching from the Key/Dave/Gamma pool.

This. Also there does seem to be resistant on the last 2, but I'm not sure as to why? Can someone give me reasons why they TR Gamma or Dave?

FTR I do think keyen is scummier than gamma emerald from what I know of gamma emerald (the admittance of half-assing reads is bold), though I expect gamma to be an easy sort over enough time anyways. IDK how this guy can be so confident at this point on him either though.

THough I think his content (key) has been bad, i feel like his reactions to the lynches are pretty good. And they line up to how I react when I'm about to be mislynched as town. So, I kinda wanna townread him or it.

Why do people keep voting key? And why aren't more people voting PsychoticDave. -Grey- idk if you're new or anything, but you shouldn't have claimed right away like that, you weren't even on L-1 yet.

VOTE: keyen. L-1.

?????? did you not think he was not a good vote?

Key was just upset town imo, he's not mafia. I wish I was here earlier more. But I have the flu currently so my replies haven't been up to par lately, sorry.

Spoiler: Key

If there is any living cop here and I flipped town, Cop JarJar. Trust me.

2F, if I flipped town, Keep an eye on Tywin.

If i am a dayvig, i would shoot jjd

I'm not self hammering. There's a 5% chance yall can forgive how i fucked up again as town.

Yes good job town. But if i flip VT, Lynch JJD and Rasko.

No lol i'm joking. I'm a VT. But i am so done.

I'm done. Lynch me. I am scum. Town wins.

These are all things i'd say being upset lol. I'm pretty sure I said most of this stuff in the Space Maf game I was in with TwoFace. He also keeps saying "If I flip town" Which I initially TR because he's trying to make a dying wish that when we see him flip town, we should listen to him.

If he flips scum I'll lol, but dont think so.

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all those. and i messed up at the end but that was part of the quote too. idk how you missed all that? literally all day 1 i said key was a bad vote.

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I have been townreading gerry in this game but Post 861 is terrible.

????? How. I don't know if maf has dya chat or something. Say he was a Role Cop. And got his report, but was offline at the time of it. I hammered him so if he had day chat, he would not be able to talk to his partner if he wasn't there.

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Wow fast hammer on mafia. SO SCUMMY!!!!!!!!!

I'm starting to think twofaced might be mafia for that bad push on me

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i didnt refuse. he claimed BG. why would i vote him after he claims BG

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also twoface it's been proven that you're shit at reading me, so dont even try

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I'm voting PsychoticDave right now, I could vote Grey though, I haven't really liked any of his content.

I'm a bodyguard.

You avoided his wagon before he claimed btw

because I wanted dave more???? are you blind

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also twoface it's been proven that you're shit at reading me, so dont even try

Thanks for acknowledging I'm town

IF you're town. Like I said, you couldnt read me before so you could just be shit again

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well gear cant be solo scum. since he hasnt been here to do actions. so there might be 2 mafs left and gamma be vig

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Gerry is a terrible reader

thx for confirming me as town

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hi uzi what are your reads

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Gerry is a terrible reader

ur iplying my reads are bad so that means you see me as town reading

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you should have clarified

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Twoface, why are you such a jerk all the time lol.

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I would lynch in Gamma/Gear/Lil Uzi today

I think there has to be more than 1 scum on the key wagon. That wagon was way too easy.

That would point to JarJar or TwoFace. So why vote Gear over one of them? Why are neither of them in your scumpool? What are your cases on Gear and LUV?

I've liked JarJar's content today. I can see TwoFace, as I said, he could be scum with his awful read on me and pushing on me. And I'm mostly doing POE on who i don't want to vote right now and that's how I came up with Gear and Luv. I would be willing to vote in Gear/Luv/Twoface as it stands currently.

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@ Gamma, you have unlimited shots? You have to realize that in a game with a Doc, Cop and a Town Commuter, that seems a bit much.

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hi uzi what are your reads

Hey!

I'm down with one of Fitz, Gamma, or Gear today.

I feel like there is a small chance we are all being duped by JJD but I think he's town this game.

Do you not FOS me? You said that you fos fitz for having an unexplained TR on me. Which would mean you are weary of me, and see no reason to TR me. Why am I not in your lynch pool if thats the case?

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I don't think Gamma is an optimal lynch today.

1.) He's SK. He has to shoot within what we all agree in after our lynch. If he doesn't, and shoots someone else, he's auto lynched the next day and loses his only win con.

2.) He's actual Vig, and we mislynch him and we no longer have a Vig to shoot for us.

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What have you read so far, GreyIce?

Also, Lil Uzi's lines have gotten worse and worse. How can you scumread someone for TRing, but not even have read me. That makes 0 sense.

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UNVOTE: greyice I'll give this slot a chance now that someone active is on it.

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So my current thinking is that there are 2 scum within Gerry,
TwoFace and JarJar.

hahahaha how can you even team read me and twoface. I guess I could see why you could think jarjar and me. Or jarjar and twoface. I still jarjar's posts and would be ok with keeping him alive today.

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havingfitz, I still think your slow could be town cause even tho Vij had a bad read on me, his thought process was townie. But your 180 read flip on me when 2face suddenly voted me is sketchy

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I was hoping GreyIce would be more active so I could get a better read on that slot.

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Everyone out a reads list please, that would help a lot. From towniest to scummiest

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havingfitz, I still think your slow could be town cause even tho Vij had a bad read on me, his thought process was townie. But your 180 read flip on me when 2face suddenly voted me is sketchy

Suddenly? Not quite

You haven't outed a SR on me until today. Then he iso's me and says his tr on me took a "hit" and suddenly i'm 2/3 in SRs

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havingfitz - Got a bit sketchy after that random flip on me, but w/e I still think this is most likely town
JarJar - I like his posts, prob town.
Gamma - I don't see the point of SK outing right here. He would most likely hide, and not want attention on him. But, I mean.. The last shot was bad. The first shot was not bad, but was bad from HIS point of view, as he said he TR Dave the day before. But, he did give an explanation.
TwoFace - This guy, has had shit reads on me before in another game when we were both town. He tunneled me until I eventually outed as PR. And I WAS RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME ABOUT MY READS. And he still called me garbage. He's a jerk, so it could be his same town game. But, his read on me is garbage.
GreyIce - Gear hasn't really done anything and has been inactive. Has only had 1 post so far, so I wanna give them a chance.
Lil Uzi - His posts have been pretty bad so far. I don't like his reasoning for disliking a TR on me when he hasn't even read me according to him. I would most likely lynch this today unless things change.

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Everyone out a reads list please, that would help a lot. From towniest to scummiest

Nobody do this

rofl this guy.

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What part of 1001 and 1006 did you not understand?

Yes, I still don't like the reasoning though.

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Spoiler:

Yeah I'm not sure why any of you guys bought that claim.

VOTE: Grey

L-1

Yeah I'm not sure why any of you guys bought that claim.

VOTE: Grey

L-1

I don't think anyone bought it. are you reading? multiple people said they thought the claim was not legit

No I skimmed

I have to reread like 14 pages. I didn't even get a say on that Key wagon but I can see why he was lynched.

Still feel good about my town reads so I guess everything is alright.

This is starting to get scary.

That's it really. I only put your name first in that lynch pool because I like things in alphabetical order. I prefer Gamma and/or Gear over you personally.

We know who killed him, we just don't know if who killed him is town. I don't believe the person who did is town.

I've been scum reading your slot, I just haven't said anything because well I didn't get a chance to until now.

these

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Also, can you out a reads list please

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You haven't outed a SR on me until today. Then he iso's me and says his tr on me took a "hit" and suddenly i'm 2/3 in SRs

I haven't outed an sr on you until today true.

My outed SR on you came before I did the iso and voted you though.

Okay that's fine. Doesn't stop your read from being shit lol

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You said that last time. "Your play and attitude makes me think scum" and you were wrong. You're just stubborn cause i'm calling you out

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Everyone out a reads list please, that would help a lot. From towniest to scummiest

Nobody do this

rofl this guy.

Learn how to play mafia if you're town. This late in the game with mylo/lylo looking list reads only help scum

bullshit it helps town.

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Scum prob already knows who they will kill. We need to look at reads and see where they stack up and if they make sense

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VC 1.13 (FINAL)

keyenpeydee (7) [LYNCHED]: TwoFace, -Grey-, Raskolnikov, JarJarDrinks, PsychoticDave, Tywin Lannister, Gamma Emerald
TwoFace (1) [L-6]: keyenpeydee
PsychoticDave (1) [L-6]: gerryoat
-Grey- (1) [L-6]: Lil Uzi Vert
Gear (1) [L-6]: ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (2): Gear, havingfitz

Lynch Threshold

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch!

Mod Notes

Still seeking a replacement for -Grey-.
Prodding Lil Uzi Vert.
Gear is (expired on 2016-12-10 13:23:00) from prod.

I still say there was more than 1 scum on the key wagon. It might actually be TwoFace

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You said that last time. "Your play and attitude makes me think scum" and you were wrong. You're just stubborn cause i'm calling you out

Well then work on you're attitude if you're town

Based on what's available you're the most likely to be scum and you insulting me doesn't help.

Now piss off and stop talking to me

SO you're voting on me just cause of my attitude? Hahaha. This guy can dish it but not take it. I'll talk to whoever I want. You're the one who needs to stop acting like a baby.

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VOTE: Twofaced

I don't even care if he's scum or not anymore. He prob is scum and trying to copy his attitude from last time. But we have a better chance winning with him in the GY and not grudge voting if he's town.

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Why do you keep asking for reads list? That's not going to help tell anyone's alignment. It's the easiest thing for scum to fake.

I disagree with this. It works for me on Epicmafia all the time

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Scum probably avoided voting grey. You directly avoided voting ng grey. When asked about it you said because he claimed bg. Problem is he claimed bg AFTER you avoided voting grey.

Based on what's available you're the most likely to be scum

1.) HOW MANY TIMES. DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN. TO GET IT THROUGH. YOUR. THICK. SKULL. I fos'd Dave over anyone else. I kept my vote on him. Had he not claimed BG and the time was running down, I would have settled for Grey.

Why are you ignoring the key wagon? When I tried to push votes off Key?

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I'm voting PsychoticDave right now, I could vote Grey though, I haven't really liked any of his content.

I'm a bodyguard.

Bg claim came after. Grey was largest wagon.

So take your caps. Turn them sideways and shove them up your roody poo candy ass.

If you smelllllllllllllllll what twoface is cooking.

Now go piss off

You still don't get it. I FOS Dave. OK? You get that part? Had more time passed and there was NO traction on dave, I would have been willing to switch. I never said it came before.

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Why do people keep voting key? And why aren't more people voting PsychoticDave. -Grey- idk if you're new or anything, but you shouldn't have claimed right away like that, you weren't even on L-1 yet.

Had we listened to you we would have got a PR to claim. You probably suspected he was one.

How can I suspect he'd PR when he barely did anything. His first thing to say when he came back from being away was "where are the votes at"

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reads shit but refused to vote scum and tried to lynch the doctor. If you're town you have no place to judge anyone.

Yeah you're still the guy who got lynched as a town pr before.

Hey lets count how many times one of us mislynched on town this game?

1: Twofaced

0: Gerry.

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Gerry is the right lynch today.

How about instead we vote someone who mislynched town. ^^^^^^ this guy

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"OMG U VOTED DOCTOR AND DIDNT VOTE GREY WHEN I DID, WHEN I EVENTUALLY FLIPPED OFF HIM AND LYNCHED OBVIOUS TOWN ANYWAY. OMG. UR MAF" - twoface

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reads shit but refused to vote scum and tried to lynch the doctor. If you're town you have no place to judge anyone.

Yeah you're still the guy who got lynched as a town pr before.

Hey lets count how many times one of us mislynched on town this game?

1: Twofaced

0: Gerry.

Easy to do when you know who's town.

Let's do a count of who quick hammered to end discussion when multiple people said that we shouldn't rush

Gerry - 1

Everyone else - 0

Quick hammer when scum lynch is inevitable ONLY helps scum. That's why scum usually self hammer.

Gerry is scum. Let's roll guys

OMG I HAMMERED MAFIA. I'M SO SORRY FOR HAMMERING MAF. OMG. WHEN OTHER PEOPLE VOTED HIM TOO. IM SORRY FOR HAMMERING MAF.

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I am scumhunting. And I tried to prevent a mislynch, which is more than what you did.

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OMG I HAMMERED MAFIA.

You realize you don't earn town points for this right?

Nobody on the grey wagon day 2 earn town points.

You're quick hammer HURT town. It didn't help it at all.

People asked not to rush the day. There was no town motivation to end it early. You're excuse was bullshit also.

Occam's razor says you're scum.

I'm being facetious because your reason for voting me is that bad. I've shown this game that if you have a decent reason for scumreading me, I won't automatically think you're scum. But your reason is awful

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gerry,

what do u think about havingfitz?

I still think he's town. But, I didn't like his 180 flip on me after my name was brought up. From going from hard TR to hard SR is very weird. I explained all my reads in a post

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I'm being facetious because your reason for voting me is that bad. I've shown this game that if you have a decent reason for scumreading me, I won't automatically think you're scum. But your reason is awful

I don't even care if he's scum or not anymore. He prob is scum and trying to copy his attitude from last time. But we have a better chance winning with him in the GY and not grudge voting if he's town.

Pot meet kettle.

Except that my reasons don't suck at all.

You're voting me thinking I'm trying to copy my attitude form another game and you also want to PL me.

I'm voting you for actual game related reasons aka not wanting to vote scum day 1 and ending day 2 early when people said there was no need to rush.

My reasons > you're reasons.

you game reasons are bad. I didn't vote someone that others didnt vote either. And I tried to prevent the mislynch on key but you think im scum for not voting someone and voting scum too quickly

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What PR tells were in Dave's ISO?

Yes Twofaced, answer this. since you say I "picked up" on him being PR

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What PR tells were in Dave's ISO?

Pretty much how every other pr seems to play. Not as helpful as they should be, not scum hunting like they should be, kinda laying low as best as they can

bullshit

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Also Twofaced just admitted to PR hunting Day 1 and not scumhunting lol

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Havingfitz, I don't see anything from your ISO that would lead you to believe to make me your top scumread. Especially when I was your TR

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Spoiler: TwoFace ISO

2f (212 posts)

ISO 0-4 - 2 RVS votes.
ISO 5 - Naked "wheeee" vote on keyen.
ISO 9 - Disputes Gear's comparison to town!keyen "OMGUSing everyone who suspected him."
ISO 10 - confronts keyen about RVS question
ISO 11 - more disputing Gear's keyen tr.
ISO 12 - disagrees with JJD assessment towards Gear+ and him- (2F).
ISO 13-14 - an exchange with Tywin on RVS and a little self meta....followed by approval of Tywin comments disparaging self-meta.
ISO 15 - Questions Gamma town reads on JJD and Gear.
ISO 16 - disputes JJD assessment of his (2f) vote on keyen as not being casual.
ISO 17 - Questions Grey on his vote for JJD.
ISO 18 - An exchange that I think is on the benefits of RVS wagons.
ISO 19 - Agrees with Grey's reason for voting JJD.
ISO 20-21 - Says to keep an eye on Vij for his terrible vote on gerry.
ISO 22 - JJD thinks Vij vote on gerry is fine and 2F responds with "ok"

ISO 24 - Says keyen is a good lynch and that "sometimes rushing isn't so bad."

ISO 25 - If keyen flips scum keep an eye on Tywin.

ISO 26 - Questions how JJD could have a strong townread on Rask this early (at post 181) in the game. How can you have enough of a scum read on keyen to push your opportunistic vote on him towards a rushed lynch this early?

ISO 27 - Repeats Tywin scum if keyen scum comment.
ISO 35 - Defends his earlier Tywin comments to concerns raised by Tywin. Finishes with calling Tywin's post odd.
ISO 36 - Calls keyens reads half-assed. Though he got all of his town reads right (assuming Gamma is a vig as I think is probably the case).
ISO 37 - Disputes gerry town read on keyen and mentioned running to mod regarding to ongoing game comments.
ISO 38 - Defends his play against Tywin concerns.
ISO 39 - Disagrees with Vij comment towards him.
ISO 40 - Agrees with Rask and states JJD seems very town (at post 329)
ISO 41 - Has tiff with Tywin due to suspicions.

Uses inaccurate quote (post 124) to misrep Tywin who was clearly referring to post 180.

ISO 42 - Tywin has dropped down due to lies (Tywin never said).

ISO 43 - Agree with Gamma response to Grey that Tywin's focus is off.
ISO 44 - Pushes keyen (L-5) wagon first.
ISO 46 - Says Dave is null.
ISO 47 - Disputes Kyouko's defense of Tywin and keyen. Refers to proof he gave (with the wrong quotes mentioned above).

ISO 48 - Tells keyen his early vote may have been opportunistic.....2Face only has the one vote on keyen. He kept his keyen vote there all of D1.

ISO 49 - Tells keyen his reaction to being put at L-2 on page 2 of the game is why 2f subsequently has maintained his vote which he has said could be considered opportunistic.

ISO 50 - Admits his case on keyen is weak and that's why he isn't pushing it but there are no better options. I would add here that while 2f says he isn't pushing keyens case....that seems to be all he has focused on up to this point other than very minor shading towards Tywin.

ISO 53-55 - A little tiff with Tywin who thinks 2f attacked him.
ISO 57 - Shows he is not paying attention to the dispute between Gamma and JDD on changing reads. Completely missed it despite it flaring up at least twice.
ISO 59 - States he is not worse than JJD to keyen and dismisses keyen suspicions towards him as ~omgus.
ISO 60 - Defends Dave to Rask.
ISO 61 - Dave is a "useless townie" and 2f would not support a PL. Also makes continued weak push on keyen's "stale wagon."
ISO 62 - Calls JDD to task for voting Gamma despite agreeing with the keyen "stale wagon" assessment. Doesn't know why JDD suspects Gamma despite it being a fairly well laid out subject.
ISO 66 - Agrees with Grey that Gamma is town.
ISO 67 - Agrees with JDD that Grey was defending Tywin prior to voting him.
ISO 68 - Tiff with Tywin...mentions lie he never proved Tywin committed.
ISO 69 - Tells JJD that Grey, Dave and keyen aren't the scum team.
ISO 70-71 - Asks JJD how Tywin can be a townread. Questions any pro-town content by Tywin and says he lied again.
ISO 72 - Tells Vij his scum reads (JJD/TwoFace/Dave) are the worst reads ever. Hindsight: Only 1 has been shown to be wrong.

ISO 73 - Gets in heated tiff with Tywin about lie Tywin never told and end result is Tywin is a liar and keyen is a mafia PR. WTF? I would note that the Grey wagon is gaining traction at this point and 2f has not mentioned it. In fact he has defended Grey as of ISO 69 and made little mention of him otherwise.

ISO 76 - Asks Rask if we

can just lynch keyen because no one else interests him (@537).

Keyen only has 1 vote at this point whereas Grey is up to 3 and JJD and Dave are at 2?
ISO 77 - States Dave is useless but not scummy because of perception. Every game as 1 or 2 useless players according to 2f. Not sure how that excludes them from being suspects.
ISO 81 - Asks keyen why he left Grey off his post 222 reads list. This when Grey has reached 4 votes. No mention of that by 2f.
ISO 83 - If keyen isn't going to happen

2f would be good with a Grey lynch.

Grey is at L-2 at this point @577 and makes his claim in Post 583.

No previous suspicions towards Grey.

ISO 84 - Immediately after Grey's claim (2 posts later) it's back to pushing the keyen wagon. And the very next post is Grey voting keyen to L-5.

ISO 85-86 - Doesn't believe Grey claim but won't lynch PR claims on D1.
ISO 87 - Expresses interest (shade?) on Vij requesting replacement.
ISO 88 - Asks Gamma who he would prefer to lynch (instead of keyen) while Gamma has his vote on JJD.

Not paying attention again.

ISO 89 - Tells Gamma that JJD reads scum to him given that Grey is probably scum. ?????? At this point in the game Grey is voting 2f's top suspect keyen and at not time earlier in the game has 2f given any hint or reasoning for thinking Grey is scum.
ISO 91-93 - Calls keyen scum and Dave lynchbait/PL
96 - continues to suspect keyen for his immediate discrediting efforts following 2Fs opportunistic vote on keyen on page 2. Smh
ISO 97 - crap points against keyen.
ISO 99 - Tells keyen only 3 people are voting him, when it's actually 4, and that he shouldn't worry and just scumhunt.
ISO 102 - Agrees with JJD's assessment of the Grey claim and keyen wagon.
ISO 103 - Working hard to get the keyen lynch through.
ISO 104 - Puts a Grey/keyen/LUV scum team possibility out there.

ISO 107 - Calls Grey caught scum (how so?)

ISO 108 - Claims that keyen just claimed scum. Hyperbole that never occurred of course.
ISO 109 - Tells keyen to stfu.
ISO 111 - Calls Gamma stupid for saying 2f is confirmed scum for not unvoting keyen.
ISO 113 - Discrediting my participation in the game after only 3 posts (I'm here, Hi, Unvote). Nice.
ISO 114 - Applauds potentially catching 2 scum D1.

End of D1

ISO 117 - Immediate vote on Grey
ISO 118 - Defends on JJD comments regarding 2f not wanting to lynch Grey D1. 2f acknowledges his focus was on keyen.
ISO 120 - Discredits LUV a bit for saying he (LUV) didn't see why anyone believed the Grey claim. Accuses him of not reading which is funny given his (2F) lack of awareness on the JJD/Gamma activities D1.
ISO 121 - Calls the vig a dumb ass. Not sure how getting rid of useless null town is a bad move.

ISO 122 - Responds to Kyouko asking the vig to shoot "gear or havingfitz, pref gear" by

encouraging the vig/sk to preferably shoot me instead of gear.

ISO 125 - Says Dave was obviously not scum. 2f's reads are much better with hindsight.
ISO 126 - How does Grey going after Tywin lessen the fact he was very early on Grey's case? Shades Tywin a bit saying neither he nor Grey were on the other very hard.

ISO 127 - Calls Tywin's 180 on keyen suspicious. Not sure how with all the extensive lobbying for the keyen lynch that 2f did.

ISO 128 - Disagrees with Kyouko on level of Dave scumminess.
ISO 129 - States scum try to appear town and he's never seen scum win by being useless.
ISO 130 - Some nice wifom by 2f on why 2f isn't scum.

ISO 131 - Probably 1 more scum on keyen wagon. Great....who is it? You or JJD?

End of D2

ISO 133 - Points out possible crumb by Tywin on Gear.
ISO 135 - Gives gerry crap about his hammer reasoning.
ISO 136 - Votes Gear and asks him to please post content and stop flying under the radar.
ISO 140 - Says he would vote gerry or gear today...

and maybe JarJar?

ISO 142 - Votes Gamma after the vig claim. Doesn't believe the claim.
ISO 144 - Makes decent post wrt Gamma. nai fmpov
ISO 147 - changes read on JJD based on D1 w/ Grey. Gear/gerry and Vijmoi.
ISO 151 - Asks Gamma why not shoot gear or Fitz instead of Kyouko.
ISO 153 - We should lynch gerry....for posts that look very similar to 2f comments on D1 wrt Grey.
ISO 156 - Votes gerry.
ISO 158 - Attacks me and my play style as useless after I include him in a group of a 4 player scumpool.
ISO 161 - Attacks gerry for quick hammer reasoning...says gerry is a liability as town. Nice.
ISO 162 - Scum are in Gear/gerry and fitz.
ISO 163 - gerry didn't refuse to vote Grey D1 any more than you did 2f. Calls gerry scum
ISO 165 - You did the exact thing you are accusing gerry of in this post. See ISO 83.
ISO 166 - How is gerry stalling? Wtf?
ISO 168 - Really thinks Vij replaced out because Grey was getting run up. What a nice imagination.
ISO 177 - gerry is still 2f's desired lynch. Would vote fitz.

Gear/GreyICE has fallen off the list.

ISO 178 - Gives me crap for not ruling out JJD (which I subsequently have) and for not considering Gear who has done nothing. So doing nothing = scum?
ISO 179 - Little discrediting of my opinion and repeat of JJD outrage.
ISO 180 - Why are you pm'ing the mod? WTH is that all about? And if I haven't ruled you out as a suspect up to this point you are most certainly a consideration.
ISO 181 - fu 2f
ISO 182 - Admits he almost always reads me as scum. As I am not always scum your scum reads on me are useless. Why is getting anyone to L-2 a concern wrt having a vig/sk in the game? Unless you plan on pushing a Gamma wagon today...it makes no difference whether we're at L-2 or 1 or lynch.
ISO 185 - @2f...what do you mean your "outed SR on gerry came before you did the ISO and voted him?"
ISO 186 - thin skinned 2f rantings....carry on....
ISO 188 - lol at 2f telling anyone to work on their attitude. Omg that's good :D1
ISO 189-201 - Lots of gerry bashing up to gerry is the right lynch today and more.
ISO 205 - the same could be said for you and keyen D1.

Summary...

TwoFace was right! I suspect him the most. All of the lines in his ISO that I find suspect are highlighted in red or just black.

In short...I suspect TwoFace for tunneling keyen all D1 despite acknowledging that his vote on keyen was opportunistic and that his case on him was weak. That there were no better alternatives to keyen despite a solid effort by JJD towards Gamma; and Tywin, who he had prior to this claimed to have caught in a lie. Wouldn't catching someone in a lie warrant a vote to L-4 more than someone whose case you said was weak and only at L-5?

Additionally I just find him almost completely ignorant of Grey's existence until Grey is at L-2. Then all of a sudden he is ok with lynching Grey. But wait! A claim! Let's just stick with the weak opportunistic keyen wagon. Followed immediately by a vote on the weak opportunistic keyen wagon by Grey... who you are also ok lynching... whose claim you do not believe and you claim is caught scum? So why not pass on keyen and go for the sure thing...the caught scum whose claim you do not believe (i.e. Grey)? Or the liar (Tywin)?

I also do not think TwoFace and gerry would be a likely scum pairing. So gerry moves up a little on my town list. Gear/GreyICE take his place.

TwoFace or GreyICE are the only two I will vote today.

VOTE: TwoFace

good vote

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I proved he did just goes to show how bad of a player he is.

is everyone bad according to you lol

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Well I'm sold.

VOTE: Fitz

That's L-1

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rofl. this guy is maf

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Merry Christmas ya'll.

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Twoface in the event that you're just being bad town again, what's your read on Lil Uzi? You can't possibly TR him

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Twoface in the event that you're just being bad town again, what's your read on Lil Uzi? You can't possibly TR him

Why can't I possibly tr him? What's scummy about him?

You've done jack shit this day phase and your vote is an omgus. Until you actually put some effort into this game and convince me I'm wrong about you, I'm not explaining anything to you.

You're scum or a liability like I've said previously.

Like you don't even comment on how I've basically destroyed fitz reasons on me, no way either of you can be town.

That's not an answer. And yeah, you said that about me last time. You knew I was town when you said those things last time. I think you're just trying to copy it for me to TR you

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I don't think you've actually said why you think I'm scum. All I remember is you disliking my initial reasoning for scum reading Fitz.

I already said that your posts have been bad and quoted them when you asked

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I don't think you've actually said why you think I'm scum. All I remember is you disliking my initial reasoning for scum reading Fitz.

I already said that your posts have been bad and quoted them when you asked

Bad posts doesn't make someone scum.

VOTE: Gerry

LOL, it does when your posts have been progressively getting worse. And then you just jump straight OMGUS me.

hi uzi what are your reads

Hey!

I'm down with one of Fitz, Gamma, or Gear today.

I feel like there is a small chance we are all being duped by JJD but I think he's town this game.

I was waiting for you to just jump ship on this read, I could read it coming from a mile away. So, what made me drop 3 reads down if you wanted to lynch in Fitz Gamma and Gear?

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I'm good with either a fitz/Gerry lynch. At this point both are basically caught scum

Yeah, you said that last time, and you were wrong. You'd be a better player if you werent stubborn as fuck.

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@mod I'm not quite sure how V/LA works. But, i'm gonna be on vacation until the 8th of Janurary. So I won't be able to post as much until then. (I'll still check every day though.)

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OMG CLOUDKICKER. I'M GLAD U SUBBED IN. GT TIME????

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Sorry guys gonna read what I missed, was just excited when u saw him sub in lol

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Gamma please don't hammer. Fitz is town. His thought process and the way his analysis is represented says town to me. Vote Two face.

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Cloud you don't need to read, just vote two face

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Two face and lil uzi are the team. It's obvious to me now.

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I'm doing reads by poe. Jar leaning prob town. Cloud not lynching today to give the slot a chance. Fitz town. Gamma SK/vig prob vig. You two are left.

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I explained earlier. I can't quote and iso on mobile rn. Vij had a town thought process which I explained earlier. Fitz is doing the same. And two face I explained you're trying to copy your last town game oj me by tunneling me for bad reasons

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Yea gerry i was really happy to see you were in game can you give me a cheat sheet of your reads because i respect them a lot

Twofaced is scum. Based on a previous game experience with him that I think he's trying hard to copy his town hame from last time.

Lil uzi is maf. Just reread his post and then look at his quick omgus on me (despite having at least 3 ppl he fosed more than me)

Gamma is vig/SK. Prob vig for outing. Has 2 questionable kills from his point of view but explained them decently.

Jar jar prob town. I went into today actually considering voting him, but I liked his posts today.

Your slot TBD. I went into today voting your slot, but it's unfair considering all the replacements. So I will give you a chance.

Fitz is town. Explained earlier

Me: tried to stop us from mislynching obvious town day 1 (they didn't listen lol)

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I clearly said I'd be on vacation, I'm playing on mobile so not posting as much. Even after your explanation, you had an awful omgus vote on me.

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Twofaced is scum. Based on a previous game experience with him that I think he's trying hard to copy his town hame from last time.

I'm scum cause I'm playing like I did when I was town?


You're scum cause you refused to vote scum day 1. When asked why you said something that wasn't true. You hammered him day 2 early and it ended discussion. It stopped town from trying to find out his partners

You're scum.

Oh you mean day one when YOU lynched town that I was trying to prevent. Not voting scum day 1 and not lynching town > bussing and quickly jumping into lynching obvs town. And as I said everyone was ready for hammer. No need to discuss anything in the event he had a report that could help maf

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Yea gerry i was really happy to see you were in game can you give me a cheat sheet of your reads because i respect them a lot

Also didn't like this post.

Isn't cloud worried that Gerry could be scum?

Me and him are friends off the site. So that's what he means

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@gamma what's it gonna take for you to vote twoface

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Errr. What's the vote count. I'm on mobile can't find last. Any questions anyone wants to ask me? Jar why is cloud scum?

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Thanks and what link?

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Could you quote it? Sorry mobile is annoying

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i actually tr both tf and luv and they both happen to be on the same wagon

Lol???????

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gerry you know that even if tf srs you he could be town and fitz buddying you up

Yes. If you were reading the game that's how my tr on Fitz slot started

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gerry you know that even if tf srs you he could be town and fitz buddying you up

You can't logic Gerry. He scum reads me because I scum read him and I'm playing how I did in the last game where I was town.

If he's town, I honestly think he was born without the ability to use logic.

No that's not why. If you could read, maybe you wouldn't be an awful player

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Says the one who misread me last game when I went 2/3 lmao

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I told you, you were hinting a mislynch on me. Your tiny brain can't understand that I'm sorry. I still had the most accurate reads that game

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Yes you were lmao. As I said my reads> your reads

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I don't care cause if you're town and we mislynch you are just gonna vote me tomorrow and we lose anyway.

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But you're prob scum. Let's flip a coin, Harvey dent style.

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>liability
>DIDN'T LYNCH OBVIOUS TOWN LIKE YOU DID.
>Lol

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Does no one agree with me that there was more than 1 scum on the key wagon?

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Wait what. Fitz I thought you tr gear?

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Two faced prob won't be lynched sadly. But I can get the partner. VOTE: Lil izi

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Lil uzi you know what I mean

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It's gonna be new years eve, so we should get a lynch by tonight.

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P.S: it wasn't that awesome. I've explained everything
If you want to ask me individual questions im here now. So please ask

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I said ask. Now

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I did read it

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Yes, his read on me was very strange. It looked opportunistic, which I questioned.

He's still a tr because of vij and his thought process in his other reads. But I do need to hear why he suddenly flipped on cloud who the slot he tr. That is very weird.

I don't like your reasoning for fosing me to start. If you said it was poe at first, I'd get that. But you started it because you said I hammered maf too fast, when everyone had spoken and voted. And even gamma said he was ready for a hammer. I figured people were just waiting on someone to hammer. Also I explained what if he was a role cop and they had day chat. If he's afk while being voted, no way for him to give his report before being lynched. I didn't think me quick lynching mafia was enough to be hard Sr for.

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Two face. Anything else needed to answer?

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Fitz is on l-1 I think. No one else vote

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Scratch that. Regardless of your alignment will you do that?

Please drink bleach. You're too toxic and hide behind an alt. You're just a bitch lmao

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You're still the dumb ass who lynched town regardless of your alignment

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VOTE: twoface Not changing. If you idiots wanna lynch town instead of maf be my guest

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I already gave them do people read.

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And he is the one being toxic first lol

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If I was maf I woulda nk'd twoface night 1 cause a toxic and annoying person to play with.

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Yea gerry i was really happy to see you were in game can you give me a cheat sheet of your reads because i respect them a lot

Twofaced is scum. Based on a previous game experience with him that I think he's trying hard to copy his town hame from last time.

Lil uzi is maf. Just reread his post and then look at his quick omgus on me (despite having at least 3 ppl he fosed more than me)

Gamma is vig/SK. Prob vig for outing. Has 2 questionable kills from his point of view but explained them decently.

Jar jar prob town. I went into today actually considering voting him, but I liked his posts today.

Your slot TBD. I went into today voting your slot, but it's unfair considering all the replacements. So I will give you a chance.

Fitz is town. Explained earlier

Me: tried to stop us from mislynching obvious town day 1 (they didn't listen lol)

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Do it then. I'm sick of this stupid game.

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You're prob SK. Only a dumb ass town would say something stupid like that.

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Gamma is 100% SK.

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Gamma can you not just grudge vote me for that, you don't even fos me. Sorry for being rude. If you're town, I need you to vote scum not me

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If I was maf I woulda nk'd twoface night 1 cause a toxic and annoying person to play with.

I'm toxic but you basically told me to go kill myself.

And I'm annoying how? Cause I'm trying to lynch you? Cause I think based on your play you make sense as scum?

gtfoh

Lol. You're bad. I tried to be reasonable with you but you're being unreasonable

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Gamma, did you kill jar jar? or did you not shoot?? im confused. if you killed jar then jar prob role blocked mafia. (but if you killed jar you're 100% sk lol he was obvs town)

@Mod what happens if maf kills jar when he's role blocking the one doing the killing?

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Btw gamma is definitely SK

If he didnt shoot, then he's confirmed not SK right?

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Wait, sorry. On epicmafia serial killer MUST shoot every day. does SK here have a choice whether to shoot or not? i really doubt Jar would RB on gamma since the day ended in NL. a vig/sk shot woud be good for us to put it back odds

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CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ME. ON THIS WEBSITE CAN SK CHOOSE TO NO KILL. YES OR NO

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I think that Jar would have blocked who he voted. Which was Cloud. Odds are that if Gamma didnt mae that shot, maf was able to kill jar successfully. Meaning that if Cloud is scum he did not make any kills.

Another point. Don't think Jar would RB Gamma cause we need the kill after the NL regardless if he's SK or not. Does any one else agree with this assessment or no. If not, what do you think?

IF gamma says he shot jar. then that means cloud is most likely scum who was roleblocked. But that's assuming that Role blocks still work when the person role blocking was killed. Can someone please answer these mechanics questions, it will help me figure out this game easier. I'm pretty sure that Jar would have role blocked Cloud. But I just need to know if the role block will still go through even if he died.

If gamma didnt kill at all then that means that he is confirmed Vig, unless seiral killer is allowed to NL. ( I dont see Jar role blocking gamma when there was a mylo possibility if gamma didnt shoot)

That's where my head is at right now. I want to redo all my reads after I get these answers since it's mylo and i'm leaving anything open to possibility. Jar was obvious town as i said yesterday.

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can you answer the RB question? I'll check that link now thanks.

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It doesnt say if SK can no kill or not. i think i checked.

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Ah, okay. This is different than the site i'm from. This changes my thoughts. Stil waiting on Gamma to confirm whether he shot jar or not

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NKA sucks but I think we can apply it here. Jar felt town but I wouldn't say obvious town based on my experience with him. The NK points to Cloud in my opinion because Jar was the one who started and ended up making a a serious push his way.

Jar would 100% roleblock cloud. Which is kinda why we need to wait for gamma to say whether he shot jar or not. I think jar was a maf kill, but i can't be sure. If gamma shot him then idk what he was thinking lol

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@Mod what happens if Jar was roleblocking the scum who aiming to kill him? Would the kill fail?

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so i'm guessing that means that if gamma didnt make the kill. then maf was able to get the kill off and assuming jar would be on his scumread, cloud might actually not be mafia or just didnt make the kill.

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Jar ---> Roleblocks Cloud

Gamma ---> shoots ????

Mafia ----> kills Jar

Cloud ----> No action

is what i'm assuming right now. I'm under the impression that Gamma did not shoot jar as he didnt even fos jar.

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Assuming this is true. It means Me, Twoface, Fitz, Lil Uzi are the ones who could have possibily made the kill.

(I'm taking into account that Jar wouldnt RB Gamma as i said that makes no sense after a NL and a likely maf kill coming.)

what do you guys think?

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@Mod what happens if Jar was roleblocking the scum who aiming to kill him? Would the kill fail?

On epicmafia Drunk (town roleblocker) stops kills by maf even if they try and kill him. just making sure this is the case since SK is different here.

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I told you, I am on vacation. My access is limited. Right now i'm on a bus with wifi which is why i can post so much freely. Just as I didn't know how SK worked. RB might be different here, I don't get how that can make me scummy

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ok. well anyone else who is not just tunneling, can you give me opinions on my assessment?

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Hey I'm a bit busy right now and on mobile. But I will catch up in a bit. Please don't quick vote I'm still on vacation

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Okay so gamma was role blocked. I dont think jar would rb him. Is it possible we have a town and maf rber?

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Uzi twoface if one of you are town can you unvote. I'm tryingo figure things out.