Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I like both major wagons ftr. We should try to consolidate.

Do you mean you like the wagonees for scum or their composition for town?

also i moved my vote from kison to vedith so there's only one major wagon now but that's semantics

@RB, can you go into your Transcend read because he's kind of a priority sort for me and I'm honestly stumped on him??

[Creature]

But if the wagon is on town then it was just a waste.

[davesaz]

In this game with the roles coming and going with the cards, there are no traditional claims. At most people can claim cards they have and why.
I'm wary of using the term consolidate, but we need voting patterns in this game more than most.

[rb]

town lynches when town is ready, town not ready town not lynch

me wisdom-man

voting patterns r suk

[rb]

I like both major wagons ftr. We should try to consolidate.

Do you mean you like the wagonees for scum or their composition for town?

also i moved my vote from kison to vedith so there's only one major wagon now but that's semantics

@RB, can you go into your Transcend read because he's kind of a priority sort for me and I'm honestly stumped on him??

i never explain townreads because reasons

[gigabyteTroubadour]

figured, but it was worth a shot anyway :/

[rb]

davesaz how is ur best scumread right now vifam like wowww

and why are u petitioning for big wagons and vanity voting in the meantime?

someone dayvig this slot my frontal lobes are offended

[rb]

figured, but it was worth a shot anyway :/

sorry dude im a huge cockdick i know

[rb]

we should flashwagon davesaz and when he flips scum we can see he was pushing for big wagenzz on townzz

[rb]

VOTE:

DAVESAZ

More size = worth morr votes. Count as doublevote pls Quipla

[davesaz]

I have two ways of setup specing people into scum roles for this setup. At this point I don't think I'll reveal the who or why on that method of PoEing scum other than to say it works for me in the PyP X/Y open setup which works very similar to this one. It's by no means infallible but it does identify more likely candidates.

I find it interesting that none of the people I'd setup spec into one of the scum roles using method 1 are being wagoned. I haven't really looked at method 2 other than one person I'd normally identify for that role is acting pretty townie.

Pedit: @rb: you can be more idiotic if you try.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

dave how can you setup spec people into roles without claims? like i've done what you're saying you're doing in PYP X/Y before but it can't work the same way here because the roles are far more complicated, can it...?

like i know you can read people sometimes and say "oh this person is probably a doctor" because i do that but is it really applicable in this setup?

[rb]

oh ur a setup spec person?

excellent policy lynch since ur gonna discuss setup spec forever in ways that ppl will argue about for 207 pages and give off zero reads from such discussion because mafia theory is a thing all players can do and it has nothing to do with alignment

cool

[rb]

hes obviously gonna answer 'yes' regardless of alignment so why ask that question?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I'm more interested in the how than the yes/no part.

[davesaz]

davesaz how is ur best scumread right now vifam like wowww

and why are u petitioning for big wagons and vanity voting in the meantime?

someone dayvig this slot my frontal lobes are offended

You've forgotten that RVS is a thing?

Do you have frontal lobes? By your posting it's so hard to tell.
Oh yeah, that's right. Some people sling shit and some actually think. I'm the type who actually thinks.

Pedit: No, there's a thing with the numbers which sorts sets of people into (1 scum in this set). I've never seen more than one. It's only a rough way to pigeonhole because sometimes there are zero.

[rb]

i find it rly weird that youd hate on my style when youve seen me firsthand violate entire scumteams in 2 separate games now. Im more thinky than the thinkiest thinker

[Titus]

I like both major wagons ftr. We should try to consolidate.

Do you mean you like the wagonees for scum or their composition for town?

also i moved my vote from kison to vedith so there's only one major wagon now but that's semantics

@RB, can you go into your Transcend read because he's kind of a priority sort for me and I'm honestly stumped on him??

Both kison and lil I like as scum. I think their wagons are pretty town too.

[rb]

and its fine for u to use the RVS excuse but u JUST SAID that we need big wagons and u are keeping an rvs vote instead of creating a bigger wagon

this doesnt addup mr. thinkyman

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Pedit: No, there's a thing with the numbers which sorts sets of people into (1 scum in this set). I've never seen more than one. It's only a rough way to pigeonhole because sometimes there are zero.

but this set-up is totally different because there's two of each card, so it's actually plausible that scum deliberately picked identical draft numbers... like i'm pretty low in the draft and i'm surprised to have gotten the cards i did.

every time a PYP set-up runs this discussion is brought up and I've never seen it actually be helpful (when i did it i ended up being needlessly paranoid of a townread of mine because i read into them wrong), and now that there's less of a mechanical disadvantage to intentionally botching the draft it's just more confusing. like what if the scumteam has people in it who are willing to fuck with that (like i could totally see dunnstral doing that)? Without like a single flip it's just guesswork that COULD be useful, but it's just easier to scumhunt...

like i'd like to know who you suspect based on this speculation though because if that person is actually scummy then by all means i'll shut up about this, but??

i find it rly weird that youd hate on my style when youve seen me firsthand violate entire scumteams in 2 separate games now. Im more thinky than the thinkiest thinker

wait really that just makes this interaction weirder

[rb]

if we lynch uzi day1 im gonna spam this thread non stop with giant quote pyramids of spiderman memes

[Titus]

I have two ways of setup specing people into scum roles for this setup. At this point I don't think I'll reveal the who or why on that method of PoEing scum other than to say it works for me in the PyP X/Y open setup which works very similar to this one. It's by no means infallible but it does identify more likely candidates.

I find it interesting that none of the people I'd setup spec into one of the scum roles using method 1 are being wagoned. I haven't really looked at method 2 other than one person I'd normally identify for that role is acting pretty townie.

Pedit: @rb: you can be more idiotic if you try.

Can you give an example to each?

[davesaz]

RB, I've only actually been playing for an hour.

Titus, what do you mean by an example?

[Titus]

RB, I've only actually been playing for an hour.

Titus, what do you mean by an example?

You say you use two methods of setup spec to put players into roles.

Method A: I do xyz to determine abc.

[davesaz]

but this set-up is totally different because there's two of each card, so it's actually plausible that scum deliberately picked identical draft numbers... like i'm pretty low in the draft and i'm surprised to have gotten the cards i did.

Picking duplicate numbers puts both lower in the draft. Scum can (and should) avoid picking dups between themselves but they can't avoid duping with someone else. If they don't avoid dups among themselves, they risk picking trips or quads and ending up last. That said, existence of dups is

not

the basis of my method. I only want to make sure there isn't too much focus on this fallacy (that dups matter) either way.

In the meantime, the numeric analysis is only useful in shrinking the suspect list to allow a narrower focus, which in a larger game is even more important. The real work is focusing on those people which I've just started doing.