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Post #1010 (isolation #200) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:22 pm
Postby Infinity 324 »
Ok first off the disclaimer that real is still difficult to read for me, it's hard for me to see his tone and thought process. That said, I've townread him before for busy work questions that looked like they were actual attempts as scumhunting but he's doing almost the opposite here, and he has much more consistent reads here. I have seen scum focus on small points and individual posts to develop reads before, but real doesn't really look like that for a few reasons:
Spoiler:
In post 24, Realeo wrote:Can I just pick anybody that I want to predict? You guys can nominate your townread and scumread and I will sheep the wagon that I am most confident of. Learning from previous game that is seriously lacking activity, I just want to focus on scumhunting/townhunting.
Starts off with some anti-busywork, this kinda leads the posts of the game in a more productive direction.
The entry of Vedith is confusing. He suddenly sheeps me and ask the odds. So my mind went "Wait, what?" He clarifies that he doesn't townread me so eh? After rereading the battle of Vedith v Infinity (with thinking that it was talking about NJAC initially), I understand Vedith's concern but the case of Infinity white-knighting is a bit of a strectch. All things equal, I do still townlean him.
I disilike how NJAC and Infinity keeps rabbling about inactivity. From my experience, it's an easy content for scum. Granted, I only have 1 game experience of being scum so sampling error? I feel like Infinity maintains his style from last game, but people kept saying that he is changing so I feel like I failed the
sanity test
so I decided not to pursue even more.
However.. Two concerns
a)
And anyway, the effort is exactly what we needed to kickstart the game.
@Infinity
you think we still in VRS?
b) Infinity pushing on the strategy bothers me???? Infinity keeps pressing about "there is no argument about attempting town is better, therefore, attempting scum is better." Didn't we solve this in the previous game?
I am confused with Creature. Not_Mafia is prod dodging and I am ready to make a fuss about it with cfj. I haven't made my mind about pepto and Blade Dancer.
Pedit : Infinit, are you rebuttaling yourself?
This looks like genuine thinking through things/confusion rather than trying to generate content to generate content. I do want to be careful since real is pretty good at faking this stuff though.
In post 17, Infinity 324 wrote:Why try a townread's segment first? Not even an argument to counter mine?
Help me, infini. At one point, I can't catch your thinking process. On the other hand, I can't really conclude you are scum flailing.
Same as above
In post 228, Realeo wrote:I was scum with him twice. Extremly meticulous. He can't play scum when he doesn't have a plan. If he's scum, he will not vote me, but say "I wonder if realeo is scum bluffing here." instead because that will be deviating any plan. He needs to defends the plan.
I will spare infinity for D1. I will go back to him later.
I like this cause it's so easy for scum to ignore or just not think of.
In post 275, Realeo wrote:I can't really advance the game because I just want to talk to Not_Mafia.
More anti-busywork
In post 353, Realeo wrote:I understand the concept of sacrificial lamb, but you don't necessarily kill the sacrificial lamb (wrong trusting) but just hurt the lamb (flee).
If Vedith wants to be the sacrifical lamb, the only reason he distrusts is if he genuinely scumreads him. Not_Mafia can be the sacrificial lamb when attempting my path by distrusting because he apparently genuinely scumreads me. If Vedith doesn't scumread Imperium, flee is enough.
Are you scum trying to waste Vedith's flee?
No. I prefer wasting Vedith's lifelines instead of wasting Vedith's life.
Some townpoints for bringing this up
In post 401, Realeo wrote:If you don't scum read Imperium, why the hell are you throwing shades? I understand the concept of paranoia, but that shade throwing is off place is you don't scumread Imperium. It's a fair game if you scumread Imperium, but not if you don't scum read Imperium.
I like that he's the one to bring up this point because it makes a lot of sense as a town thought process. Since it was so last minute, I don't really blame NJAC for this, but I can see how you would.
In post 632, Realeo wrote:If NJAC townreads pepto, you can't force him to flee. If everyone townreads pepto, no one flees.
Ok this is what vedith had an issue with, but real basically convinced me that this is his actual opinion. Plus it's pretty bold when pepto is about to flip scum, not sure scum would want to try to push their luck here.
Infinity was towntunnel at Vedith
Infinity was scumtunel at NJAC
Infinity was scumtunnel at Not_Mafia
But suddenly, after flipping out of nowhere to pepto, he is not confindent at Pepto? Why the sudden change? Is infinity scared that Titus will be alone so Infinity needs to flip to limit Titus' movement due to the rule "if there is a tie, the first wagon is passed."
I can understand tunnel. Some people do tunel. Titus is a kind of player who likes to tunnel. But don't you see the inconsistency with infinity?
I understand double standard, but even there is a standard about the double standard. Infinity decided to double standard me for a reason: It's hard to read me. Acceptable. Infinity decided to double standard Pepto for what?
In post 793, Realeo wrote:I do not know if that is scum!flail or math fallacy... I am tending for the latter.
Scum don't try to derail their own pushes right away...counterproductive
In post 799, Realeo wrote:I do not concur with your conclusion, but fine enough.
Second argument: I didn't see hesitation when you are scum reading NJAC and N_M when you claim you're only confident with Vedith instead. I'm trying to find your "confindent/no confindent" threshold and I can't find one.
And he continues trying to figure it out. Shows town mindset.
In post 873, Realeo wrote:I fail to came up with an argument why Creature is town without setup specing and that makes me uncomfortable. Setup specing should never be reason for townreading..
Help?
I like this because I don't think scum would care
So again, a lot of little things here. The small posts real brings up seem like posts that are quite AI and posts that town could make a read on. I'm not 100% confident this is town, but with people like NJAC and n_m in the game I'll just have to accept it.
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Post #1020 (isolation #203) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:25 pm
Postby Infinity 324 »
I always wanted 2 people to flee, the wording in 638 is off.
Got anything else? I mean, your theory could make sense, but it also would make a lot of sense if I was town waiting for 2 of my scumreads to flee and they didn't so I fled. And with real pushing the everyone for themselves strategy I don't think scum are more likely to flee than town in that scenario, so I wouldn't count it against titus.
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Post #1028 (isolation #208) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:48 pm
Postby Infinity 324 »
Like if she's town, it's too big of a risk to distrust her when the chances of her picking right is not that high given that I'm in her scumpool. I'd rather just have us both distrust our top scumreads.
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Post #1036 (isolation #211) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:57 pm
Postby Infinity 324 »
True. But NJAC and n_m both think it's between us, and one of them has to be town. I'm trying to engage with them on it but it's getting frustrating since they're not really cooperating...
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Post #1044 (isolation #212) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:57 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
In post 1039, Titus wrote:That being said, after your track, we can pound home Creature and Realeo. Then, it shouldn't matter.
Ok if you also think me real and creature are town, then you're right it shouldn't matter. We just have to hope neither of our mutual townreads is wrong. Creature what do you think?
One of us distrusts one, and one of us distrusts the other. Same question to real, aside from your creature concerns.
In post 1053, Realeo wrote:Infinit, Titus, you still need to explain town!Creature. I do not scumread him but I see no reason to townread him. If you guys want to follow him, follow him, but at least I want to make sure it's not for granted.
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Post #1057 (isolation #217) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:20 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
I would like anyone who doesn't think scum is between n_m and NJAC to engage me and/or titus on it because right now it's looking like those are the 2 we'll distrust.
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Post #1145 (isolation #225) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:47 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
If you have a strong scumread, but not that many people share that scumread, but another slightly weaker scumread has a lot of support, would you join the wagon on the weaker scumread?
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Post #1159 (isolation #230) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:09 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
I think the setup is amazing and I'm probably gonna nom it for a scummy. But there's definitely an issue with activity because of the nature of the game. I feel like the deadlines should depend on how many people in the game or something like that.
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Post #1161 (isolation #231) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:12 am
Postby Infinity 324 »
Titus, I often criticize you town play, but I though it was pretty decent this time. It's just that sometimes you're wrong and it was also unfortunate that the people who thought I was scum weren't properly able to explain it.
