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VOTE: JarJarDrinks for taking a character that ruined a movie and making a bad pun out of it

Anakin ruined TPM way more than Jar Jar did.

...and it's a pretty good pun.

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No one in Game of Thrones is bad.

Definitely false.

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VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

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@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

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VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

There is no way that you believe that.

There's no way you believe that whatever u were doing w/ regards to keyen could possibly have told you anything AI.

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@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

It was an arbitrary choice between last on the Keyen wagon and PsychoticDave for his assessment of the situation.

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I actually like this answer.

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Like I thought you were RVSing on 2face after that whole keyen ordeal which would have made no sense.

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@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

It was an arbitrary choice between last on the Keyen wagon and PsychoticDave for his assessment of the situation.

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I actually like this answer.

I like it about 2face. If I had to pick a vote on the wagon that looked contrived. He'd be my first pick.

As for psychodave, I took his post in 63 as him attempting to be funny.

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Yyyyyyyyyyyy

The red letters in your role pm.

No. You looked at your role pm.

VOTE: Gear

Do you think I'm scum?

Yes. Maybe.

So what does this mean?

He explained what it means

Spoiler:

I've played with Keyen before, I was scum, and had a front row seat to him OMGUSing everyone who suspected him (among other things, but that's what's relevant here). I saw that from him here, and it's good enough for me for now. Now, I am voting someone new.

I think it's pretty dumb and/or not believable but he did explain it.

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How was my vote contrived? I like easy wagons especially in rvs

Cuz ur "wheeee" looked phony to me. Like you were purposefully trying to act casual w/ ur vote.

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I actually think keyen could be scum here

agree

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Is this -grey-'s first post? I'm too lazy to check on my phone. Still, I'd say we are past RVS -grey-, so I second Two Face's question. Why?

It's not. And he's already made a serious vote previously:

VOTE: PsychoticDave

Looks like you are more concerned about appearances than finding scum.

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Although IDK, that was on page 2 in the midst of several other people RVSing so maybe it wasn't serious.

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@Grey

Was the the vote on psychodave RVS?

What's ur reason for voting for me?

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JarJar - what makes you pick out TwoFace's vote as the casual one over Vijarada's and mine?

Looking back, I'd say ur right and they all look like they're trying to be casual.

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Vijarda. That was terrible reasons to vote someone. They aren't AI things.

I actually think that's a fine reason to vote someone @ this point in the game.

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This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game.

unprompted self-metaing is scummy.

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His vote on me is bad, but his reasoning isn't bad.

Why is his vote on you bad if the reasoning isn't?

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VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

I would argue that everyone has fake ass scumhunting in RVS stage, because it's voting people and looking for reactions. So, is there a deeper reason why you think his scumhunting is fake? Is it possible that you have meta with him and his wording seems different this game?

No I think that most people in RVS don't take shit seriously. He was very serious about his "reaction-test" and treated the results of it legitimately. It was clearly not RVSing.

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Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?

Yup.

This is @ least the THIRD time keyen has either demonstrated that he isn't paying attention to the game or wants people to think that he isn't:

Spoiler:

Are we out of RVS?

Yyyyyyyyyyyy

The red letters in your role pm.

No. You looked at your role pm.

VOTE: Gear

Do you think I'm scum?

Yes. Maybe.

So what does this mean?

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Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

You sound awkward and come off pretty self-conscious, in particular you play it cool in your reaction and pretend like you aren't nervous when it feels like the complete opposite.

Good description.

The "playing it cool" is definitely the way to describe what I just mentioned about how he pretends he's not really paying attention to stuff.

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Aside from that little rant, can someone explain the keyan wagon with any clarity besides 'this looks contrived' or 'self-consciousness' as if it is anything other than your feels? That wagon got loaded fast without much of anything worth mentioning. I see a lot of 'I feel like this, I feel like that' without evidence to back up those feelings

Agree that there was no good reason for the original wagon. My last bunch of posts though I think point out some legit scumminess.

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Hmm. I didn't have it as a scum read at all really against Lil Uzi. Looked inconsequential, but I didn't like Rask's shut down followed by calling the game 'newbie' as an aside. It seems Rask is trying to avoid conversation here, and regardless if the question was about an older post (this game hasn't even been active long enough for that time lapse excuse), what exactly was wrong with the question to shut it down and claim 'this is so newbie' after? Rask said it was a joke, and then called it ridiculous for others to not take it that way.

I find all that to be far too defensive for little reason. Aside from defensive, it has not-so-subtle barbs littering the whole post sequence. Elitism/ego at work, or scum shutting down anything before it starts? If Rask is such a light hearted player who jokes oh so much, then why am I reading it differently than supposedly intended? Maybe the humor is forced? Otherwise, it may just be bad.

Your thoughts Rask?

I'll let rask answer but I think you're reading too much into it. I have rask as a strong townread.

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VOTE: Gear
Voting TwoFace arbitrarily looks bad to me. You should be able to tell that Dave's post is one of someone who is more used to a faster paced mafia environment where random speedwagons are common D1, so he shouldn't be a consideration.

Lol WTF what kind of expectations are these
Clearly, you should be able to infer from the style of his posting that he is from a faster paced environment, and in such environments speedwagons are more common, so he shouldn't be a consideration for you based on that.
Jesus christ what is this projection do you actually expect this much out of people?
Not to mention that even if true that doesn't somehow clear, it would just make the thing nullish.

It wasn't the style of his post, it was the content of his post. Anyone who would say this:

Either keyenpeydee hasn't been lynched yet because scum don't want to lynch their buddy, or people are being cautious.
One of the two, really...

is clearly is used to an environment where keyen might have actually been speedlynched for no reason. The fact that Keyen wasn't lynched is not because scum don't want to lynch their buddy or because people (town) are being cautious. It should be apparent to everyone involved that the wagon is not going to reach 7 because scum won't hammer town at that point in the game (because it gives them away) and town won't hammer anyone at that point in the game (because it gets them killed the next day). Gear should not have read that post and taken it seriously enough to consider voting Dave for it, he should have been able to tell it was a post indicating Dave's experience, not alignment.

It does make things nullish, that's the point. Gear chose between voting 2 people arbitrarily (according to him) and ended up on TwoFace. However, by choosing arbitrarily he implies that they are equally suspicious, or at least that they are close to the same level of suspicion. Since Dave's post is NAI, the choice should not be arbitrary between Dave and TwoFace. It should be a clear choice of TwoFace unless Gear thinks that TwoFace's vote was also NAI, and if TwoFace's vote was also NAI Gear should be looking someplace else for something scummier or just keep his vote on keyen since it's just random there.

Do you really think it's unreasonable to expect people to recognize what I did about Dave's post?

Yeah I think it's pretty unreasonable to expect that.

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I'm on my mobile at that time. Your argument on me is invalid.

seriously?

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if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

tywin looks town to me.

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I have rask as a strong townread.

for realz? idk how anyone can have a strong town read at this point in the game.

cause I'm good.

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if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

tywin looks town to me.

right, but if key is scum his reaction to the key wagon makes more sense from a scum buddy

maybe but still wouldn't scumread him based on that alone.

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all caught up now

VOTE: keyen


pedit: Yeah so what's the point of saying it then?

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2F, your reads are as shit as ever.

remind me again. what r YOU'RE reads?

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I'm on my mobile at that time. Your argument on me is invalid.

seriously?

Of course you can't confirm to yourself whether I'm telling the truth or not.

So explain to me how his argument is invalid then?

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remind me again. what r YOU'RE reads?

man used the wrong "your" and even emphasized it.

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His vote on me is bad, but his reasoning isn't bad.

Why is his vote on you bad if the reasoning isn't?

It's bad because I'm town, but his logic shows that he's at least trying to scumhunt. Just because someone votes you doesnt mean they are mafia or making up reads. That's what I was trying to get across.

Just seems wierd to say someones vote for you is bad simply because you're town. What's the point?

Compare it to your previous post:

This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game.

See that's an actual reason to call someone's vote bad.

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I caught up and still have null reads on pretty much everyone...

WTF is this?

If u've actually caught up, then do you have anything to say about the people discussing you and asking you questions?

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Can you explain your rask read?

I agree w/ his keyen read and I like how he questioned Vijars shitty townread on him (which BTW Vijar ignored).

I also dig his questioning of Kyoukos nonsensical post about ur 2face vote.

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@gear. Spell out exactly what ur saying please.

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That quote on Vijarada is not serious btw.

huh what was that post about then?

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That quote on Vijarada is not serious btw.

huh what was that post about then?

It's just much more like saying that he's scum because it's what he's doing to all players when we're scum together.

Ok so why isn't it serious?

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And are you dodging my question?

I've explained reasons for scumreading you.

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So why post it then?

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See what I think happened is keynpeele realized that he posted a reads list that totally contradicted what he said in that post and tried to retcon himself.

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Actually JJD seems pretty scummy upon ISO

Got anything specific?

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

will explain in a few

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JJD feels like town. Gear too.

This post is LITERALLY ON THE SAME PAGE as those 2 quotes that he just said he's scumreading me for.

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well one of is on the same page. The other is one page earlier.

The point is that he was townreading me after I made those posts and now he's scumreading me for THE SAME POSTS.

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JJD feels like town. Gear too.

This post is LITERALLY ON THE SAME PAGE as those 2 quotes that he just said he's scumreading me for.

OK, reads change

lol. Reads change based on things that happen. You're trying to say that you changed your read based on something that happened BEFORE you made your initial read?

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My earlier reads were half assed

Is this really ur defense?

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This is reaching HAAAAARD from JJD. He made a joke referencing a previous game where we were scumbuddies, then said it was a joke in the very same post. That's just being sillly, and JJD's attempt to read it otherwise falls flat. Do you really think JJD that key wouldn't have just edited it out before posting if he realised he contradicted himself?

No he most certainly did NOT say it was a joke in the very same post. It was the next post.

Otherwise I'd agree with you that he would have just edited it out. But since he couldn't, he tried to damage control the best he could by pretending it was a joke.

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Huh, didn't realize this wagon was this big.

Me neither. Though tywins vote is still from rvs and and gear hasn't been around in for a while.

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People who I'd consider good votes atm:
keyen
psychodave
gamma emerald

Agree w/ all these

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And JJD, if part of your reason for TRing Raskol was that he questioned a shitty tr on him (213), why do you continue to TR her when she inconsistently ignores your shitty TR on her?

I think you're talking about this post:

I agree w/ his keyen read and I like how he questioned Vijars shitty townread on him (which BTW Vijar ignored).

the "him" is referring to keyen. Rask pointed out that vijars read on keyan was bad in 98

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One of the best towntells is when you scumread someone but don't explain it and then someone comes along and explains it and it's what you have.

This.

Happens to me in every game. Basically I see a post and I think that it's something I could have posted myself.

Then people will usually tell me that townreading people for having similar reads is bad. Then I end up being right.

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Gamma, let's see his full case on you first and your response. I have a feeling he'll deliver.

Oh wait, I forgot he flipped to gamma lol. Yeah, that one looked like OMGUS at first site. But, we'll see what he has to say about that.

I thought what I posted already was pretty good. Maybe I didn't explain it well though. I'll try to lay it out better.

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So here's my first 9 posts in the game

Spoiler:

VOTE: JarJarDrinks for taking a character that ruined a movie and making a bad pun out of it

Anakin ruined TPM way more than Jar Jar did.

...and it's a pretty good pun.

No one in Game of Thrones is bad.

Definitely false.

VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

There is no way that you believe that.

There's no way you believe that whatever u were doing w/ regards to keyen could possibly have told you anything AI.

@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

It was an arbitrary choice between last on the Keyen wagon and PsychoticDave for his assessment of the situation.

UNVOTE:

I actually like this answer.

Like I thought you were RVSing on 2face after that whole keyen ordeal which would have made no sense.

@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

It was an arbitrary choice between last on the Keyen wagon and PsychoticDave for his assessment of the situation.

UNVOTE:

I actually like this answer.

I like it about 2face. If I had to pick a vote on the wagon that looked contrived. He'd be my first pick.

As for psychodave, I took his post in 63 as him attempting to be funny.

Yyyyyyyyyyyy

The red letters in your role pm.

No. You looked at your role pm.

VOTE: Gear

Do you think I'm scum?

Yes. Maybe.

So what does this mean?

He explained what it means

I've played with Keyen before, I was scum, and had a front row seat to him OMGUSing everyone who suspected him (among other things, but that's what's relevant here). I saw that from him here, and it's good enough for me for now. Now, I am voting someone new.

I think it's pretty dumb and/or not believable but he did explain it.

So based on those 9 posts, gamma posts this:

JJD feels like town. Gear too.

So then lotsa stuff happens and Gamma read changes

Actually JJD seems pretty scummy upon ISO
VOTE: JarJarDrinks

Ok, no issue so far. Reads change and I've made a few dozen posts since the fisrt read. So I want to see what posts of mine made him change his read:

Got anything specific?

and he responds with:

VOTE: Gear

for that fake-ass scumhunting

@Gear.

Why are you voting for 2face?

It was an arbitrary choice between last on the Keyen wagon and PsychoticDave for his assessment of the situation.

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I actually like this answer.

This looks like shoddy distancing

like wow. this is horrible for so many reasons.

- First off. He quoted posts from the 9 posts that I made back when he was townreading me. Like I wanted to know which posts I've made SINCE that townread that changed his mind. Like how in the hell does he quote a post that I made LITERALLY ON THE SAME PAGE that he said he townreads me. Like why when he read it earlier, he didn't have a problem w/ it?

His answer:

OK, reads change

then when I explain that reads should only change based on NEW content he says:

My earlier reads were half assed

So he's using the "those weren't REAL reads" defense. Then he says:

Yeah
I just threw out some reads based on a few seconds of analysis
This is why I like giving reads at my own pace, it lets me form actually solid reads

As if to imply that someone forced the reads out of him. But go back and read page 4. He gave those reads completely voluntaraly w/o prompting from anyone.

- And the 2nd reason that his answer is so horrible is that the reason he finds those posts scummy is because it "looks like shoddy distancing". And who does it look I'm distancing myself from? GEAR, the OTHER guy that Gamma gave an unprompted townread to in that post. I'd like to know what made Gamma change his read of gear also. Was it also something that he was townreading Gear for earlier?

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back to back bad votes imo

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KeyNpeeles vote is bad too.

There's alot of resistance to lynching from the Key/Dave/Gamma pool.

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He most definitely IS defending u key

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I've played with Keyen before, I was scum, and had a front row seat to him OMGUSing everyone who suspected him (among other things, but that's what's relevant here). I saw that from him here, and it's good enough for me for now. Now, I am voting someone new.

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If you find a food delicious at the first time but saw some things you don't like on it, It can very much change your look on it whatever you say it's not disgusting.

If I tried Fried Oreos and I thought they were were delicious and then later found out that they were made with rat testicle, then I would no longer like them.

Then if someone asked me why I don't like Fried Oreos anymore, I'd say "Well even though they are delicious, I recently found out they are made with rat testicles."

What Gamma is saying is that even though he thought they were delicious, he doesn't like them anymore because now he thinks they taste bad. Nothing has happened since he tasted them that should have changed his mind.

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though honestly Fried Oreos are so amazing that I wouldn't really care how they were made

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If you find a food delicious at the first time but saw some things you don't like on it, It can very much change your look on it whatever you say it's not disgusting.

If I tried Fried Oreos and I thought they were were delicious and then later found out that they were made with rat testicle, then I would no longer like them.

Then if someone asked me why I don't like Fried Oreos anymore, I'd say "Well even though they are delicious, I recently found out they are made with rat testicles."

What Gamma is saying is that even though he thought they were delicious, he doesn't like them anymore because now he thinks they taste bad. Nothing has happened since he tasted them that should have changed his mind.

It's like me not wanting to eat something after finding out it was made with GMOs

But in that situation, you didn't know that the food was made w/ GMOs when you originally ate it.

To make this analogous, it's like you knew the food had GMOs, ate it and liked it. Then later decided that since it has GMOs, you wont eat it anymore. Even though U always knew it had GMOs.

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If yall would choose who to lynch then Dave is much more good than between me and gamma.

why?

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I think the keyen wagon is stale because scum lynches are hard to get through and people have this icky feeling with speed wagons.

Yeah I feel this too.

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well he's probably scum also. I can only vote 1 scumread @ a time.

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well he's probably scum also. I can only vote 1 scumread @ a time.

Are you reading the same game I am? No way is Gamma scum in this game.

Please point out a flaw in my case.

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who's scum grey?

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who's scum grey?

Like seriously dude. You make shitty votes w/o ANY reasoning and have the balls to criticize my case?

Show me a good reason to scumread someone please.

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who's scum grey?

That's a stupid question to be asking on day one because the only people that can answer it with any accuracy at all are scum.

I hate day one in games because people latch onto the stupidest excuses to vote someone.

So we should be voting randomly? Or do you want to no-lynch?

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Also you're being semantic. "who's scum grey?" obviously means "Who are you scumreading grey?"

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I also like how you say that nobody can say who's scum on day 1 w/ accuracy yet you can say "No way is Gamma scum in this game."

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Also you're being semantic.

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This does not look like a town post. It looks like scum trying to discredit/pre-defend.

So... why aren't you voting him?

Because I didn't really think to take initiative
VOTE: Tywin Lannister

I liked your reasoning, but it's hard to buy when your vote isn't where your mouth is.

VOTE: Tywin Lannister

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like it kinda looks like grey is manipulating gamma into voting for tywin there

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lol and this was greys previous post:

Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

It feels like he's too concerned about TF's association
Maybe scum caught for the wrong reason

If he is too concerned about TF's association, why would he draw even more attention to it the way he has been?

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Go back and read page 15.

Like am I crazy or was grey defending tywin right before he voted for him?

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VOTE: grey

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Like seriously, THIS is why grey is scumreading tywin.

if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

Not a fan of two-face saying that Tywin should be looked at if keyen is scum, then saying "There's no one way that buddies interact, we should just read Tywin after a scumflip to see if they make sense as buddies". That seems like a different position taken after questioning.

I'm not telling anyone how they should read Tywin actually. I just said how I'm going to. At least get your facts straight

Posting this for future TwoFace attack on me, since his personality makes me assume it's a guaranteed reaction.

This does not look like a town post. It looks like scum trying to discredit/pre-defend.

And he says MY case is superficial?

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Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.

Why not?

It feels like he's too concerned about TF's association
Maybe scum caught for the wrong reason

If he is too concerned about TF's association, why would he draw even more attention to it the way he has been?

Looks to me like he's just asking for the scum motivation in tywin's post

no that's a defense

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Um WHAT?

"It's Gamma, I buy it" CLEARLY is an implication that you're familiar with Gamma. Not that it's a playstyle u "identify with"

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So I was probably wrong w/ my gamma read.

Cause I agree w/ Tywin that gamma/grey are unlikely to be scumbuddies and grey is REALLY looking like scum now.

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Grey, any read on keyen?

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Grey/Keyen/psychodave is the scumteam.

What do I win?

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Explain what my scum motive is.

Why do I need you to have a scum motive. I townread tywin so isn't that a good enough reason for me to sheep him?

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Grey/Keyen/psychodave is the scumteam.

What do I win?

The fact you think you pegged three scum on day one is EXACTLY the problem I have with scumhunting on day one.

Stupidity reigns supreme.

So how many did I get? I'll take 2/3.

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Explain what my scum motive is.

Why do I need you to have a scum motive. I townread tywin so isn't that a good enough reason for me to sheep him?

Ah yes, mocking someone's play style, the towniest action

he just called me stupid so he deserves to be mocked

And it's not really mocking. He wants me to explain his scum motivation because I'm voting for him but he's voting for tywin for literally no reason.

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How can he be a town read?

Cause he's playing an incredibly pro-town game. I do think his read on u is wrong though.

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How did the wagon on this clown fall apart?

wait you scumream me now? Your last bunch of posts don't read to me like you're talking to someone u believe is scum.

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Like how do you ask how the wagon on me fell apart when you're not voting for me, not trying to push my lynch, not doing anything to try to get people to lynch me.

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Ever since you lied about sheeping Tywin they have. Keep up, champ.

It wasn't a lie. It was using your own argument against you. Even Gamma pointed out how I shouldn't have been mocking you.

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JJD/2Face/Dave is the current scumreads I have. More later, maybe. Busy rn. Sorry guys, this game is moving so fast.

What's ur reason for scumreading me Vij? I addressed your point here:

This is reaching HAAAAARD from JJD. He made a joke referencing a previous game where we were scumbuddies, then said it was a joke in the very same post. That's just being sillly, and JJD's attempt to read it otherwise falls flat. Do you really think JJD that key wouldn't have just edited it out before posting if he realised he contradicted himself?

No he most certainly did NOT say it was a joke in the very same post. It was the next post.

Otherwise I'd agree with you that he would have just edited it out. But since he couldn't, he tried to damage control the best he could by pretending it was a joke.

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keyen

I don't believe the claim at all and would have no problem lynching it on day 1 but I get the site meta here so I wont pursue it.


pedit: I'll try to put a case together.

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keyen

I don't believe the claim at all and would have no problem lynching it on day 1 but I get the site meta here so I wont pursue it.


pedit: I'll try to put a case together.

oh my bad

VOTE: keyen

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Here's my one issue with Keyen. Absolutely everyone has been more than adamant/willing to lynch him without question. Not a single person besides me has really even questioned it, and I know I'm town. That means scum most likely are all aboard the Keyen wagon, and that's where it makes me not like it. Keyen just seems like the 'easiest' option, but that doesn't make him town or scum. Regardless, scum love easy lynches that nobody questions. It gives no information if Keyen flips town, because absolutely all of you were eager to join his wagon.

Grey is scum and while he is technically voting for kenyan, I wouldn't say he's adament about lynching him w/o question.

The 2 of them have pretty much ignored eachother throughout the game despite being them both being popular wagons. Grey made his claim and I think it was pretty obvious that the votes were gonna move to keyen so it's not like he had much of a choice w/ who he could vote for.

So then all you need is one of the more lurkier people (Dave/The Vijar slot/etc...) to be the third scum and your concern about scum possibly sitting on an easy lynch is moot.

[JarJarDrinks]

what is the point of this post

Cause Tywin doesn't like the keyen lynch cause he's nervous about it being too easy of a lynch which is often an indicator that it's a mislych. I'm showing how that isn't necessarily the case here.

[JarJarDrinks]

Speaking of Grey voting keyen.

- Grey has me as his top scumread.
- I've been pretty clear that Grey and Keyen are the 2 people that I want lynched
- After Greys claim, HE IMMEDIATELY VOTES FOR KEYN. Despite the fact that his top scumread has been trying to get key lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

Wuz with dis random wagon lol

Shitty reaction IMO.

"lol" = "Look guys, I'm not even worried"



Here I show how examples of how keyen is not reading posts.

Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?

Yup.

This is @ least the THIRD time keyen has either demonstrated that he isn't paying attention to the game or wants people to think that he isn't:

Spoiler:

Are we out of RVS?

Yyyyyyyyyyyy

The red letters in your role pm.

No. You looked at your role pm.

VOTE: Gear

Do you think I'm scum?

Yes. Maybe.

So what does this mean?

This shows he's not invested in the game which is how lots of people play as scum.

2F, your reads are as shit as ever. I remember you being so aggressive and ruining town.

This looks like someone that knows he's talking to town.

Spoiler: Quotes

Note that I'm quoting this as a new link so I just copied and paste it. Quotes are being randomized.

Hmm. I didn't have it as a scum read at all really against Lil Uzi. Looked inconsequential, but I didn't like Rask's shut down followed by calling the game 'newbie' as an aside. It seems Rask is trying to avoid conversation here, and regardless if the question was about an older post (this game hasn't even been active long enough for that time lapse excuse), what exactly was wrong with the question to shut it down and claim 'this is so newbie' after? Rask said it was a joke, and then called it ridiculous for others to not take it that way.

I find all that to be far too defensive for little reason. Aside from defensive, it has not-so-subtle barbs littering the whole post sequence. Elitism/ego at work, or scum shutting down anything before it starts? If Rask is such a light hearted player who jokes oh so much, then why am I reading it differently than supposedly intended? Maybe the humor is forced? Otherwise, it may just be bad.

Your thoughts Rask?

Accurate.

Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

You sound awkward and come off pretty self-conscious, in particular you play it cool in your reaction and pretend like you aren't nervous when it feels like the complete opposite.

You have any thoughts on the game so far?

My thoughts on the game are being unrealistic. Everybody seems normal to me although I find Gear, 2F and JarJar sketchy. Oh yeah post 154 is not a good response but what I agree with.

Why am I scummy? @whoeversaidthat

If you read someone saying you were scummy, how do you not know who said it?

What did you hope to accomplish with that question?

It looks like forced to me. I mean it's not like it's been 20 pages, it's been 6. He could have asked directly, but instead it looked like he was trying to avoid direct confrontation with someone

It's not. Look, I woke up at that time, trying to read the unread posts. Just finished it and too lazy to where I read that. But see, I've quoted it. Is there still a problem with that? And if I'm avoiding confrontation with someone, then I shouldn't be playing mafia after all.

I've played with Keyen before, I was scum, and had a front row seat to him OMGUSing everyone who suspected him (among other things, but that's what's relevant here). I saw that from him here, and it's good enough for me for now. Now, I am voting someone new.

But he hasn't omgused everyone voting him.

You expecting me to do that?

Yyyyyyyyyyyy

The red letters in your role pm.

No. You looked at your role pm.

VOTE: Gear

Do you think I'm scum?

Yes. Maybe.

Non sense. Do you expect me to say your town when you've actually did is to act, not scummy, but not that townish?

I think Keyen is town. He seems pretty genuine right now. I also concur with JJD in that Gear's reasoning was pretty garbage, but I don't think garbage reasoning is a scum-tell.

I think you're scum because I read you as like my scum partner on that newbie game.

I actually think keyen could be scum here

agree

Why?

.
Keyen - why so concerned about whether or not we're in RVS?

So I know if I'll post another shit posts.

All in All here's my reads:

Town:
Lannister

NullTown or just unsure reads:
All that isn't mentioned.

Leaning Town:
Gamma
Vijarada
Ssbm

NullScum:
Dave
TwoFace
Rasko

Leaning Scum:
Gear
JarJar

I already posted about the completely contradictory vijar read. He immediately claims it was a joke. But like, why would he post a joke like that in the middle of a bunch of serious responses in a reads posts? Makes no sense.

Also when I confront him about it:

That quote on Vijarada is not serious btw.

huh what was that post about then?

It's just much more like saying that he's scum because it's what he's doing to all players when we're scum together.

Ok so why isn't it serious?

He hasn't posted any read-worthy posts, I think?

So if hasn't posted any read-worthy posts, why put him in the Leaning Town reads instead of the unsure reads?

He fucked up and tried to correct it.

[JarJarDrinks]

@JJD
I don't really put too much credence into inaccurate reads

Huh where am I posting anything about keyn posting inaccurate reads? It's contradictory reads which is a big difference.

Can you state the scum motivation for it?

Enough w/ this "scum motivation" nonsense. Tywin had the best answer:

scum motive is to win by getting townies lynched while you survive. Am I doing this right?

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah I agree w/ all that too. But no way I'm lynching Gamma unless it's somehow proven to me that the grey slot is town.

[JarJarDrinks]

cause u and grey clearly aren't scumbuddies.

pedit: yeah, you did it this game and got scumread for it. It's scummy.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why would scum have contradictory reads over town?

Might as well ask: Why would scum lurk over town? OR Why would scum naked vote over town?

Or any of the dozens of scumtells that can also come from town. Almost anything scummy can also come from town. One of the tough parts of mafia is determining whether the person doing those scummy things is scum or bad town.

Like Gamma, can you give some hypothetical examples of stuff that purely shows scum motivation?

[JarJarDrinks]

Gamma, can you give some hypothetical examples of stuff that purely shows scum motivation?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like Tywin and I are both asking for you to provide some examples cause we don't get what ur saying.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm saying there's nothing only scum do. I want to know what about what keyen is doing makes it more likely to come from scum than town.

I already pointed out the things that keyen is doing that makes it more likely to come from scum. If you don't agree that those things are AI then I don't know what to tell u.

[JarJarDrinks]

keyen, 2face isn't getting lynched today. Who'd be your 2nd choice?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm saying there's nothing only scum do. I want to know what about what keyen is doing makes it more likely to come from scum than town.

I already pointed out the things that keyen is doing that makes it more likely to come from scum. If you don't agree that those things are AI then I don't know what to tell u.

Could you link that post, because I must have missed it.

661

[JarJarDrinks]

My original pick for that was grey, which I explained why, but we can't lynch his claim RN.

Just want to make sure everyone is aware that I don't subscribe to the "give scum a free pass on day 1 if they choose to fake a claim" policy so anyone that would rather go back to grey, I'm totes down.

[JarJarDrinks]

Scum:
2F
JJD
Rasko

so ugly

[JarJarDrinks]

The fact TwoFace isn't unvoting pretty much confirms him as scum.
And JJD.

huh?

[JarJarDrinks]

The fact TwoFace isn't unvoting pretty much confirms him as scum.
And JJD.

Please explain this Gamma

[JarJarDrinks]

keyen is towntelling big time rn.

Here's a post from a keyen scumgame:

This game is so annoying I have no problems being lynched. VOTE: Keyen

[JarJarDrinks]

Sorry totally didn't realize that was from an ongoing game.

[JarJarDrinks]

Well just in case I'm not long for this game:

2face, Rask, Tywin are all strong townreads that should never be lynched.

Grey is scum but if by some crazy chance he's not then Gamma probably is. Grey scum = town gamma though.

[JarJarDrinks]

Scum:
2F
JJD
Rasko

Game solved. Bye

2F, if I flipped town, Keep an eye on Tywin.

[JarJarDrinks]

this is caught scum just trying to throw WIFOM around. Someone hammer please.

[JarJarDrinks]

.

the point is that you supposedly scumread 2face but are telling him to keep an eye on tywin.

[JarJarDrinks]

@key,

got any strong townreads?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: -Grey-

[JarJarDrinks]

Just wanna say my strong townread on 2face is downgraded to a slight town lean.

I don't scumread him or anything but I feel like he never really wanted grey lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'd say Rask flip soft clears jjd unless she was super pocketed.

Not sure why you think that'd clear me.

If anything, grey being scum is what should make me look good.

[JarJarDrinks]

I doubt it's a vig. Town power seems crazy high to add a multi-shot vig. 5 town flips so far and only 2 VT.

[JarJarDrinks]

@Gerry, who would u like to lynch today?

[JarJarDrinks]

This is starting to get scary.

Who should we lynch?

[JarJarDrinks]

town is fucked

U a SK bro?

[JarJarDrinks]

I really want to hear from the people that aren't gamma and 2face.

@ havingfitz/gerryoat/Gear/Lil Uzi Vert

Who do y'all want to lynch?????

[JarJarDrinks]

2face stop. ur being ridiculous.

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't think they were the best shots but they weren't totally terrible.

I think they'd be equally terrible (or worse) for a SK.

[JarJarDrinks]

Gamma's not scum. To me, that's a good enough reason not to hang him.

After we hang scum, we can go SK hunting.

[JarJarDrinks]

I kinda want to hang Uzi for that opportunistic hop.

[JarJarDrinks]

Keep an eye on Vijarada or Gerry?

*steals pagetop from mod*

Just looks like a story to me, but I don't think it's worth bringing up right now since it's not like we're about to lose if grey is fakeclaiming. Rask is right though, if there is a protective they should hold their cc for later. They should also use that info to find Grey's partners. Vij replacement should be good though, they mentioned they were having a hard time keeping up. Not coming back to Vijslot until the replacement catches up, but if it's not going to be grey today I'm going back to gear. Keyen really is too easy and there are too many instances of several (too many for all to be scum) players seemingly framing him.


VOTE: Gear

Key is a mislynch

VOTE: grey
if this flips scum vig gear or havingfitz, pref gear.
L-1 I think

The above are why I think Kyouko was killed. I don't believe a town vig would ever shoot that.

Can u elaborate what u mean here?

[JarJarDrinks]

plus dave was his town read, vig isn't going to shoot a town read ever

Is this true?

gonna go and reread but if this is true then I'd say it for sure means gamma isn't a town vig.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yup ur right. we can do gamma.

[JarJarDrinks]

Gamma, u wanna claim SK and promise us u'll shoot scum tonight?


pedit: totally missed that post

[JarJarDrinks]

So you think he's scum and not SK?

Who killed Rask and Tywin?

[JarJarDrinks]

But why would a SK really care whether his reads were spot on or not?

[JarJarDrinks]

But why would a SK really care whether his reads were spot on or not?

Like a SK should NOT be shooting who he thinks scum will targeting.

[JarJarDrinks]

Gamma, u wanna claim SK and promise us u'll shoot scum tonight?

[JarJarDrinks]

otherwise ur probably getting lynched today

[JarJarDrinks]

2face is making alot of sense to me right now. Gerry as scum and Gamma as SK sounds about right.

Gonna reread stuffs tomorrow @ work

[JarJarDrinks]

Look at what I've said about not being SK.

you're not a town vig

[JarJarDrinks]

His reads are probably spot on and he attempted to prevent a Key lynch.

you mean like I did?

can u point out where u tried to prevent a Key lynch?

[JarJarDrinks]

Why would I claim vig if I were SK/mafia? SK gets lynched once the mafia is gone, or is Night killed. Mafia gets killed by the real one.

I get what ur saying. But:

- I don't get how a town vig shoots someone he's townreading
- I think the town has too much power for u to be a vig

[JarJarDrinks]

Why would I claim vig if I were SK/mafia? SK gets lynched once the mafia is gone, or is Night killed. Mafia gets killed by the real one.

I get what ur saying. But:

- I don't get how a town vig shoots someone he's townreading
- I think the town has too much power for u to be a vig

>It was based on a keyen scum flip. I decided to shoot because the association wasn't there and I wanted to find more associations

What about keyen being scum pointed to a town dave?

[JarJarDrinks]

So my current thinking is that there are 2 scum within Gerry, TwoFace and JarJar.

These are seriously ur Fn reads?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like I can see Gerry. But 2face and I shouldn't be on anyone's scumlist right now.

[JarJarDrinks]

I think we lynch greyice unless he gives us a good reason not to.

[JarJarDrinks]

grey and gear pretty much ignored eachother all game

[JarJarDrinks]

Reason 2face isn't getting lynched is cause he's one of the few people that appears to be trying to find scum and is paying attention to the game.

Sure there's a chance he's scum and faking. But there's no way we lynch him over people that are just sitting around not contributing.

[JarJarDrinks]

It's poe at the moment.

There's no Fn way u can eliminate everyone besides me/2F/gerry

[JarJarDrinks]

havingfitz

Like seriously explain how u can eliminate some of these people.


You just post a summary of their ISO and decide that you townlean them. Where are the reasons?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: havingfitz

fixd

[JarJarDrinks]

yeah I just read Vijarada's ISO and between that and fitz posts today I'm confident w/ that vote.

[JarJarDrinks]

gerry,

what do u think about havingfitz?

[JarJarDrinks]

Aside fron the fact he's too defensive

people still think defensiveness is bad/scummy?

not to mention that I wasn't being defensive. I was just calling his reads shit.

[JarJarDrinks]

Speaking of 2Face....JJD, can you elaborate on why he is a townread outside of the fact he posts a lot?

And this is a misrep. I never said or implied that 2F is a TR cause he posts alot.

Spoiler:

he's one of the few people that appears to be trying to find scum and is paying attention to the game.

[JarJarDrinks]

has fitz claimed yet?

[JarJarDrinks]

@fitz

time to claim methinks

[JarJarDrinks]

Ur misrepping.

It's not cause you had me as potential scum. It's cause you eliminated several people from being scum for absolutely no reason.

[JarJarDrinks]

actually that's a hammer

[JarJarDrinks]

Oh u unvoted earlier. I was counting u twice.

[JarJarDrinks]

k now fitz can claim

[JarJarDrinks]

So there was absolutely reasoning behind me ruling out two, not several, players at that time.

Yeah, I don't know what that reasoning is though.

"Cuz ISO" isn't a reason.

[JarJarDrinks]

k now fitz can claim

[JarJarDrinks]

u sure?

[JarJarDrinks]

I guess that's a VT claim?

I'm fine w/ hammer

[JarJarDrinks]

i might just vote and read at night btw

What would you base your vote on if you plan to "read at night" afterwards?

How do you know you would survive through the night?

these are good questions

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE: while I consider cloud scum

[JarJarDrinks]

Yea gerry i was really happy to see you were in game can you give me a cheat sheet of your reads because i respect them a lot

Also didn't like this post.

Isn't cloud worried that Gerry could be scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

Also

consider this nai

because i havent read anything, its not me defending fitz at all, just use our 4 days

i might just vote and read at night btw

What would you base your vote on if you plan to "read at night" afterwards?

How do you know you would survive through the night?

idk, gut stuff and last few pages and i dont really think about dying night stuff, its just that i asked time and i might not get it. also jsyk fitz

this is my townplay

These are scummy statements.

[JarJarDrinks]

let's see what happens when I do this

VOTE: CloudKicker

[JarJarDrinks]

Cloud who are u considering voting for today?

[JarJarDrinks]

tf's position on grey's wagon isnt indicative of a bus

The position of people on greys wagon is immaterial. The NK flipped a counter to his role so his lynch was autoplay.

[JarJarDrinks]

if u really wanna VCA, then look @ greys wagon on day 1.

[JarJarDrinks]

I have no clue what 2f is talking about.

[JarJarDrinks]

more votes on cloudkicker please

[JarJarDrinks]

I thought that post from fritz was ok. Especially the LUV stuff.

[JarJarDrinks]

and ur town flip doesn't confirm shit.

[JarJarDrinks]

who would u say is more likely to be town out of Gerry/Fitz?

[JarJarDrinks]

cause IDK that a scumteam w/o cloud OR luv makes sense to me.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah I haven't interacted as much and that's because I felt today's lynch should have been Gamma.

Why do you want to vote for gamma?

[JarJarDrinks]

Here's a major problem I have w/ LuV:

Yeah I'm not sure why any of you guys bought that claim.

VOTE: Grey

L-1

Why did you let the wagon derail then? You didn't say shit until after the night flip confirmed him.

[JarJarDrinks]

The issue is your statement immediately the next day. Calling out people that bought the claim as if you wanted towncred for knowing that it was a bullshit claim all along.

[JarJarDrinks]

There was 48 hours between the claim and wagon on Key being hammered.

You just sat back and purposefully ignored the thread.

[JarJarDrinks]

And you had several posts during that 48 hours. You were obviously on site, saw what was happening, and decided to just let it happen.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm suppose to try to make a case against that?

No but you could show up and do things instead of purposefully staying off the key wagon.

[JarJarDrinks]

You ignored the game after his claim despite being on site. WHY?

[JarJarDrinks]

Smh

sorry but fitz is sounding townier lately. U may be wrong here dude.

[JarJarDrinks]

meh IDK.


this is who I really want lynched anyway

VOTE: CloudKicker

[JarJarDrinks]

Does no one agree with me that there was more than 1 scum on the key wagon?

I do not agree w u.

[JarJarDrinks]

1 day left people and it's NYE so like.... lets lynch someone?

[JarJarDrinks]

u think uzi is town?

[JarJarDrinks]

so does cloud have any reads?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm here for a bit but kinda wasted. what r we doing?

[JarJarDrinks]

VC 3.07

havingfitz (2) [L-2]: Lil Uzi Vert, CloudKicker
CloudKicker (2) [L-2]: JarJarDrinks, havingfitz
gerryoat (2) [L-2]: TwoFace, Gamma Emerald
TwoFace (1) [L-3]: gerryoat


Not Voting (0):

Lynch Threshold

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Current Deadline

The current deadline is 10:00PM EST Saturday, December 31, 2016, or (expired on 2016-12-31 22:00:00)

Mod Notes

2face/gamma, switch to cloud. If he's town then gamma shoots gerry. Deal?

[JarJarDrinks]

someone please vote cloud

[JarJarDrinks]

if 2face is around I guess I could vote gerry w/ u 2

[JarJarDrinks]

well u should vote gerry @ least

[JarJarDrinks]

I think if JarJar had claimed town roleblocker that would've been controversial with cop/doc/commuter flip

There's a chance I would have claimed VT cause of this.

GG all. scum thread?